Executive Game??
Bill Lutz
players??
I would have thought the term Executive Game meant assembly of lots of
high rollers in order to milk them dry. Granted, I think they said they
made 80 boxes of ziti which isn't bad dough. But.....there was only
ChairBoy of the Board, the Penis doctor, Johnny Sack, Paulie, Silvio, a
local sporting goods store owner. and the dealer sitting at the table!
That's it.
David
They could guarantee themselves a lot more money by giving up their seats to
a real fat cat.
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Bennet K. Langlotz
>A good question. I kept wondering why Paulie and Silvio were even playing.
>They could guarantee themselves a lot more money by giving up their seats to
>a real fat cat.
I suspect that fat cats are hard to find, and that guys on the crew
fill in as needed to provide a good number.
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Kachina419
You forgot Sinatra JR. as well.
Nope he didn't But.....there was only
ChairBoy of the Board,
Lorrie
Torris
<da...@REMOVEplans-plus.com> wrote:
>A good question. I kept wondering why Paulie and Silvio were even playing.
>They could guarantee themselves a lot more money by giving up their seats to
>a real fat cat.
Paulie didn't last too long tho. Sounds like Silvio was the real
Soprano Family cardshark
Torris
"Rehab is for quitters"
Torris
Langlotz) wrote:
>"David" <da...@REMOVEplans-plus.com> wrote:
>
>>A good question. I kept wondering why Paulie and Silvio were even playing.
>>They could guarantee themselves a lot more money by giving up their seats to
>>a real fat cat.
>
>I suspect that fat cats are hard to find, and that guys on the crew
>fill in as needed to provide a good number.
Plus they're in Jersey, so the real high rollers probably get comped
at the big casinos in Atlantic City. Why whould they want to schlep to
the sticks and hole up in some fleabag motel?
Bill Lynch
>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:54:45 -0600, "David"
> <da...@REMOVEplans-plus.com> wrote:
>
> >A good question. I kept wondering why Paulie and Silvio were even playing.
> >They could guarantee themselves a lot more money by giving up their seats to
> >a real fat cat.
>
> Soprano Family cardshark
Didn't Paulie drop out so Davey (new blood) could sit in?
Bill L
Dan
> Soprano Family cardshark
>
nah, he just has a loudmouth and a quick temper
Me2459
>>fill in as needed to provide a good number.
>
word to get out.
>Plus they're in Jersey, so the real high rollers probably get comped
>at the big casinos in Atlantic City. Why whould they want to schlep to
>the sticks and hole up in some fleabag motel?
So-called "respectable" people love to hang around with wiseguys. They get the
thrill of the danger without really being involved. Besides, these guys would
be on the lower rung of the high roller ladder in AC.
ME
tomfool
Dan wrote:
>... PLUS Bergen County NJ is the first or second
> wealthiest counties in America. There are plenty of high rollers around, I'm
> they certainly arent all in the giant shithole of Atlantic City.
When I worked at Carnegie Hall (oh centuries ago) Charlotte Bergen, of
that county's founding family, used to hire the hall, its staff, an
entire orchestra and conduct free concerts for the elderly. That's
wealth, and kinda charming.
Chris
Bennet K. Langlotz
>Why whould they want to schlep to
>the sticks and hole up in some fleabag motel?
Perhaps because the house extends more credit than the casino would?
Torris
Langlotz) wrote:
>tor...@uswest.net (Torris) wrote:
>
>>Why whould they want to schlep to
>>the sticks and hole up in some fleabag motel?
>
>Perhaps because the house extends more credit than the casino would?
>
No IRS forms to fill out either
Mark
>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:19:55 GMT, ne...@langlotz.com (Bennet K.
> Langlotz) wrote:
>
> >"David" <da...@REMOVEplans-plus.com> wrote:
> >
> >>A good question. I kept wondering why Paulie and Silvio were even playing.
> >>They could guarantee themselves a lot more money by giving up their seats to
> >>a real fat cat.
> >
> >fill in as needed to provide a good number.
>
> the sticks and hole up in some fleabag motel?
1) The "real high rollers" go to Las Vegas!
2) Anyone can be comped in Atlantic City!
3) I haven't been to AC in years, but I used to go
frequently, and the only poker you could play
there was video poker.
Regards,
Mark
Torris
>1) The "real high rollers" go to Las Vegas!
>2) Anyone can be comped in Atlantic City!
>3) I haven't been to AC in years, but I used to go
> frequently, and the only poker you could play
> there was video poker.
Off topic, but in the movie Rounders, it looked like you could get
live poker games at the casinos
BReiss6135
> frequently, and the only poker you could play
> there was video poker.
I believe that they've had real poker in Atlantic City casinos for around 6-7
years.
Mark
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 03:29:04 GMT, Mark <eng...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >1) The "real high rollers" go to Las Vegas!
> >2) Anyone can be comped in Atlantic City!
> > frequently, and the only poker you could play
> > there was video poker.
> live poker games at the casinos
You might be able to now... like I said, I haven't been
there in years! When I used to frequent AC, poker and
Sports Books were not permissible in the casinos.
The casino's were always trying to get them allowed,
but it was always voted against.
Regards,
Mark
Walt
let the small time sports shop guy in his 'exec game' that he gushed was
such a big deal? ...why the protracted fuck dis - fuck dat dialogue?....so
Tony snoozes and the guy runs his 5k marker to 40k (uh-huh..) and Tony - the
head of the family - goes to the guy's store personally to enforce the
debt?...what, no capos? or that Furio <sp> guy to ensure payment? I'm seeing
that Tony's feeling that his world is upside down this season, but this
episode resonated less with me than others...
Hoodoo
<da...@REMOVEplans-plus.com> wrote:
>A good question. I kept wondering why Paulie and Silvio were even playing.
>They could guarantee themselves a lot more money by giving up their seats to
>a real fat cat.
As I just thought of in a different topic thread, perhaps Sil was
acting as a shill for the crew. The higher Sil gets the pots, the
higher the percentage the crew earns in total off the game.
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> so Tony snoozes and the guy runs his 5k marker to 40k (uh-huh..)
That didn't sit too well with me either. I can imagine them _possibly_
letting him double the original marker, but seven times? Although, maybe
it's standard operating procedure for the exec game, since no one who
couldn't cover that kind of money should be allowed in in the first place.
> and Tony - the head of the family - goes to the guy's store personally to
> enforce the debt?...what, no capos? or that Furio <sp> guy to ensure payment?
I think Tony _had_ to do it himself, to bring the point across. If he had
sent someone else, the guy might have still retained the idea that their
ties through their kids would somehow make Tony ease up on him.
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Thumper
week Silvio would win and Paulie would lose. Maybe Frank Jr. also.
The Doc might win a little . The trick is you have to have enough
people in the game that are playing as a team so that the one or two
fish don't realize that everyone is against them. Some weeks you let
the "fish" win big. It keeps them in the game.
Silvio's outbursts were largely part of the act they were putting on.
All of Tony's crew were playing mostly with Tony's money as evidenced
by Silvio saying that part of the "winnings" came out of his pocket.
He would get that portion back.
It's not true that all really high rollers go to vegas. Degenerate
gamblers will play anywhere they can get the action. You only saw one
game. The rest of the month Frank Jr. and the Doc might play
elsewhere including Vegas and Atlantic city.
One might wonder why a person would continue to play when they almost
never win but in reality that is exactly what the majority of gamblers
do. I played almost nightly for a couple of years against a couple of
players that almost never won. They could afford to lose and I
suppose considered it entertainment. It was certainly entertaining
for me. The real art of the hustle is to make the mark not mind
losing.
Hoodoo
<co...@REMOVETHISm-ideas.com> wrote:
>That didn't sit too well with me either. I can imagine them _possibly_
>letting him double the original marker, but seven times?
Actually, eight or nine times as large. $5,000 turned into $45,000.
CountV
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> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:32:05 -0500, CountV
> <co...@REMOVETHISm-ideas.com> wrote:
>
>> That didn't sit too well with me either. I can imagine them _possibly_
>> letting him double the original marker, but seven times?
>
> Actually, eight or nine times as large. $5,000 turned into $45,000.
45 would make it eight times larger, but I thought it was 5 up to 40, which
would make it seven times. I could very well be wrong, though.
LiliLove1
>On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:32:05 -0500, CountV
><co...@REMOVETHISm-ideas.com> wrote:
>
>>That didn't sit too well with me either. I can imagine them _possibly_
>>letting him double the original marker, but seven times?
>
>Actually, eight or nine times as large. $5,000 turned into $45,000.
>
I thought that Tony pulled Christopher aside and asked him how much David was
into them for. Chris said 45 and Tony was surprised and Chris said that David
helped himself to another 10 while Tony was sleeping. Thus, it seems that Tony
must've okayed 35. Of course, I could be mistaken. I found the logistics of
that game confusing. )-%
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>From: Thumper
Thanks for clearing that up, because I was wondering why Silvio was playing.
I'm not sure, but during the game did Silvio say to Tony "Fuck You". Was he
acting for the game? I cannot imagine Tony's underboss talking to him in that
way.
>
>
>
>
Hoodoo
>I'm not sure, but during the game did Silvio say to Tony "Fuck You". Was he
>acting for the game? I cannot imagine Tony's underboss talking to him in that
>way.
They're still fiends from way back (probably even before they ran
scams and whatnot together) and can easily talk that way to each
other, especially in the particular situation they were in at that
moment. It's not like telling your boss the bank president that he is
a cheesefuck.
Robert Nelson
Hoodoo wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:54:45 -0600, "David"
> <da...@REMOVEplans-plus.com> wrote:
>
> >A good question. I kept wondering why Paulie and Silvio were even playing.
> >They could guarantee themselves a lot more money by giving up their seats to
> >a real fat cat.
>
> As I just thought of in a different topic thread, perhaps Sil was
> acting as a shill for the crew. The higher Sil gets the pots, the
> higher the percentage the crew earns in total off the game.
>
> If the legit players in the exec game thought they were being scammed wouldn't
> that run the risk that they would think that Tony was not a man of honor like
> Jun and find another game. I would imagine that these rich guys don't mind
> losing, and enjoy the actual playing of the game, but don't want to feel like
> they've been conned and suckered out of their money.
Robert
ctakim
he says, "What, my guy comes around and suddenly you got a doctor's
appointment?"
On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:32:05 -0500, CountV
<co...@REMOVETHISm-ideas.com> wrote:
>On 00/02/22 13:15, Walt <har...@bigfoot.com> uploaded to the Usenet, for all
>the world to see, the following:
>
>> so Tony snoozes and the guy runs his 5k marker to 40k (uh-huh..)
>
>That didn't sit too well with me either. I can imagine them _possibly_
>letting him double the original marker, but seven times? Although, maybe
>it's standard operating procedure for the exec game, since no one who
>couldn't cover that kind of money should be allowed in in the first place.
>
>> and Tony - the head of the family - goes to the guy's store personally to
>> enforce the debt?...what, no capos? or that Furio <sp> guy to ensure payment?
>
>I think Tony _had_ to do it himself, to bring the point across. If he had
>sent someone else, the guy might have still retained the idea that their
>ties through their kids would somehow make Tony ease up on him.
>
Bennet K. Langlotz
> It's not like telling your boss the bank president that he is
>a cheesefuck.
I should note that my wife was keeping up her Spanish language fluency
by watching the Spanish dubbed version of the show, and we eagerly
awaited to see how "cheese-f**k" would be translated.
Puto del queso.
(Cheese f**ker, or, f**ker of cheese)
Robert Nelson
CountV wrote:
> On 00/02/22 13:15, Walt <har...@bigfoot.com> uploaded to the Usenet, for all
> the world to see, the following:
>
> > so Tony snoozes and the guy runs his 5k marker to 40k (uh-huh..)
>
> That didn't sit too well with me either. I can imagine them _possibly_
> letting him double the original marker, but seven times? Although, maybe
> it's standard operating procedure for the exec game, since no one who
> couldn't cover that kind of money should be allowed in in the first place.
Monobrow should have got a royal ass chewing from Tony for extending that much
credit to someone who was a gate crasher to begin with
Hoodoo
Langlotz) wrote:
>I should note that my wife was keeping up her Spanish language fluency
>by watching the Spanish dubbed version of the show, and we eagerly
>awaited to see how "cheese-f**k" would be translated.
>
>Puto del queso.
>
>(Cheese f**ker, or, f**ker of cheese)
As a former co-worker of mine used to say, fromage et trois, cheese
for three. For some reason that escapes me now, that used to be funny.
CountV
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> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:35:11 GMT, ne...@langlotz.com (Bennet K.
> Langlotz) wrote:
>
>> I should note that my wife was keeping up her Spanish language fluency
>> by watching the Spanish dubbed version of the show, and we eagerly
>> awaited to see how "cheese-f**k" would be translated.
>>
>> Puto del queso.
>>
>> (Cheese f**ker, or, f**ker of cheese)
>
> As a former co-worker of mine used to say, fromage et trois, cheese
> for three. For some reason that escapes me now, that used to be funny.
It still is, actually.
Hoodoo
<co...@REMOVETHISm-ideas.com> wrote:
>> As a former co-worker of mine used to say, fromage et trois, cheese
>> for three. For some reason that escapes me now, that used to be funny.
>
>It still is, actually.
As Teri Garr's character stated in Young Frankenstein, "Why thank you,
Doctor".
Sharbu
three
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> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:35:11 GMT, ne...@langlotz.com (Bennet K.
> Langlotz) wrote:
>
> As a former co-worker of mine used to say, fromage et trois, cheese
> for three. For some reason that escapes me now, that used to be funny.
>
>
Hoodoo
>fromage et trois - cheese and three.......fromage pour trois - cheese for
>three
Correct, but, the context with which we said it was a mixing of
three-way sex and cheese. That was the joke part of it.
I prefer heterosexual soixante-neuf anyway.
Thanks for asking.
<sly grin>
Sharbu
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dale
Sorry, but that's not how Tony took in 80 boxes of Ziti ($80,000.00)
They use a "House dealer" for the games they run. - notice how only
one guy was always dealing? Just like at the Casinos - He plays with
Tony's money and anything the Dealer wins is Tony's money. They don't
play as teams against other players. Gee, how dumb would you have to
be to be in a game like that? Pretty F****** stupid I think. The
dealer is paid to deal by Tony and will get a tip from all the players
as well when the game starts. Tipping at the end of the game or when
one cashes out is optional. Highly recommended if you won.
Why would anyone play the game???? If you win it's tax free money!
>>From: Thumper
>
>>This was a team game. Tony's crew against the doc and Frank Jr.
>>
>Thanks for clearing that up, because I was wondering why Silvio was playing.
>I'm not sure, but during the game did Silvio say to Tony "Fuck You". Was he
>acting for the game? I cannot imagine Tony's underboss talking to him in that
>way.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
> On 23 Feb 2000 17:26:02 GMT, blon...@aol.com (Blondie lz) wrote:
>
> Sorry, but that's not how Tony took in 80 boxes of Ziti ($80,000.00)
> They use a "House dealer" for the games they run. - notice how only
> one guy was always dealing? Just like at the Casinos - He plays with
> Tony's money and anything the Dealer wins is Tony's money.
I'm going to have to go back and watch it again now.
Typically in games in which the dealer "plays", you only have
to beat the dealer... (i.e., possible for ALL players to win
one hand). When the house is getting a rake (percentage of
every pot), typically the dealer does just that... DEALS.
I don't agree with the "team" theory either though... but my
opinions can be found in the "Executive Game" thread, look
for them if you're interested.
Mark
Bennet K. Langlotz
>Why would anyone play the game???? If you win it's tax free money!
Note that gambling losses are deductible against gains.
Thumper
money? Yes there is a skim from the pot but that is not where all the
money comes from. Only 3 players were not in the crew. That would
mean the 80,000 would have to come from those 3 to be profit. I have
personally played in games where teams were played. When 2 or more
people play as a team they can dramatically control a game. The skim
theory is good if all of the players were not on the crew. The game
wouldn't last long if Paulie and Silvio contributed to the skim and
also lost money. In this scenario they have to win.
I have yet to see a gambler playing to beat the tax man. Gamblers
don't even necessarily play to win. They crave the ACTION! In fact
most everyone playing in Vegas loses. They might win on any given
night but not over the long hall. Yes some pros win over the long
hall but they are in a small minority of gamblers. These guys weren't
even necessarily "good" card players. They were fat cats with money
to lose.
Hoodoo
wrote:
>Gamblers don't even necessarily play to win. They crave the ACTION!
Kind of like the movie "Thief" starring James Caan where near the end
he cuts his own face to feel the "juice", the "adrenalin rush".
Hoodoo
>Typically in games in which the dealer "plays", you only have
>to beat the dealer... (i.e., possible for ALL players to win
>one hand).
I've never heard of that regarding poker; in blackjack, yes, not poker
though.
Mark
>
> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:08:03 GMT, Mark <eng...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >Typically in games in which the dealer "plays", you only have
> >to beat the dealer... (i.e., possible for ALL players to win
> >one hand).
>
> I've never heard of that regarding poker; in blackjack, yes, not poker
> though.
Let me rephrase, you've obviously missed my point.
In a card game in which the deal does not rotate, but one
dealer is payed by the house to run a game:
the dealer will not take cards and play hands themselves
in situations in which the house is taking a percentage
of each pot. If the house does not collect a rake, then
the dealer will draw cards, but in these games (such as
BlackJack, and Pai Gow Poker) the players only have to
beat the dealer in order to win... (i.e., possible for
all players to win one hand).
Does that make sense to you?
Regards,
Mark
Hoodoo
>In a card game in which the deal does not rotate, but one
>dealer is payed by the house to run a game:
>the dealer will not take cards and play hands themselves
>in situations in which the house is taking a percentage
>of each pot.
>Does that make sense to you?
Okay. I am aware of those principles but I did not realize that was
what you were talking about.