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WHAT EXACT RANK DOES SILVIO HAVE??

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Joseph S. Powell,III

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Sep 17, 2002, 5:59:58 PM9/17/02
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I know he's Tony's consilerge (dang, I KNOW I misspelled that, but oh
well..), but where exactly in the ranks does that stand?
Is he higher than Pauly? Ralphie?
Was he higher than Richie?


Rob Jacobs

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Sep 17, 2002, 7:57:55 PM9/17/02
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"PaxilMan Kev" <paxi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Joseph S. Powell,III wrote:
> >
> > I know he's Tony's consilerge (dang, I KNOW I misspelled that, but oh
> > well..), but where exactly in the ranks does that stand?
>
>
> Comedy sidekick.

A consigliere is similar to a consierge, isn't it? ;) Advisor?

Rob


Rob Jacobs

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Sep 17, 2002, 11:48:05 PM9/17/02
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"Brian Beharrell" <bribeh...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Sil would be a Soldier.... he can't be as high as Ralphie, because Ralphie
> was made captain in one of the last episodes of season 3


He's a consigliere, higher than a capo. He's Tony's right hand man--main
advisor. See the org chart (Rucker, "The Sopranos: A Family History').
Same kind of postion Mickey Palmice held relative to Junior.

Rob


Brian Beharrell

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Sep 17, 2002, 11:26:28 PM9/17/02
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Sil would be a Soldier.... he can't be as high as Ralphie, because Ralphie
was made captain in one of the last episodes of season 3

"Aaron Katz" <a...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> Silvio is a Captain. he owns the bada bing
>
>
> aaron katz- the leading authority


Rad World

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Sep 18, 2002, 12:03:08 AM9/18/02
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He's a capo...but higher than most. He's esentially Tonys second in
command. He'll remain that way. Sil has no aspirations of power. He
enjoys his position and place in the family.

"Rob Jacobs" <xfspazc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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DJTonyC77

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Sep 18, 2002, 2:05:50 AM9/18/02
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Silvio is Tony's "made guy" consiglierge, Hesh is his "jewish" consiglierge,
hope we still see him in this season. The only captians are , Al Barese (took
over for his cousin "larry boy", he's in the can), Ray Curto (FBI informant
now,shhh), Ralphie Ciaretto, Paulie Walnuts(in jail), and Carlo Gervasi (took
over Altieri crew, new for season 4).

Future Celebrity

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Sep 18, 2002, 3:50:35 AM9/18/02
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"Brian Beharrell" <bribeh...@rogers.com> wrote:

>Sil would be a Soldier.... he can't be as high as Ralphie, because Ralphie
>was made captain in one of the last episodes of season 3

Silvio and Paulie were promoted in season 2. Scene in front of the
Costello (Lou not Frank) monument or park.

Future Celebrity

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Sep 18, 2002, 3:17:29 AM9/18/02
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"Joseph S. Powell,III" <jpowe...@charter.net> wrote:

They craftily avoid specific titles in the show, but the FBI has him
pegged as the consigliere on the wire chart, and he often acts it.
Technically the number 3 spot in most families though some will omit
it (ironically one of the small NJ families) and at least one had it
par with captains (I suspect to more clearly establish the boss as top
cheese than anything else given the family).

Definitely over Ralphie and Richie. Hard to tell about Paulie; when T
promoted Sil and him, he made it a point to say that Pussy and
everyone else reported to Paulie which would make him #2. Since then
he has rarely acted like an underboss nor been treated like one, and
the FBI wire chart shows him as a capo. So, in retrospect, it is
possible that T was just promoting him to capo to and take over his
old crew.


Discord

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Sep 18, 2002, 9:59:39 AM9/18/02
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"Future Celebrity" <none> wrote in message
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Ok, my only knowledge of a consigliere's power comes directly from the
original Godfather novel, but as I recall a consigliere is a financial and
legal advisor to the Don directly, and is also responsible for overseeing
his dealings with other families; he answers only to the Don himself and is
considered 2nd or 3rd (under the Don and the underboss) in the rank
hierarchy.


S.P.Q.R

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Sep 18, 2002, 5:01:51 PM9/18/02
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> I know he's Tony's consilerge (dang, I KNOW I misspelled that, but oh

You mean he handles Tony's luggage?

Dave D.

--
"I despise a world that does not feel that music is a higher revelation than
all wisdom and philosophy."

~ Ludwig van Beethoven (1770 - 1827)

S.P.Q.R

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Sep 18, 2002, 5:02:59 PM9/18/02
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> He's a consigliere, higher than a capo. He's Tony's right hand man--main
> advisor. See the org chart (Rucker, "The Sopranos: A Family History').
> Same kind of postion Mickey Palmice held relative to Junior.

Palmice did Junior's hits. He probably was not his consigliere.

Crow T Robot

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Sep 18, 2002, 4:46:15 PM9/18/02
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"Discord" <ju...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Only in the GF novel (fiction) is the consigliere a wise advisor (or a
lawyer OR Irish). In real life the power of the position depends
greatly on the person filling it, how close they are to the boss and
so forth.

The duties vary greatly from familiy to family and boss to boss. Some
have used the consigliere as a conduit orlayer between the boss and
capos for issuing instructions, others have used him as the chief go
between for coordinating jobs and things with other crews in other
families. Pistone testified that at the time, one family's
consigliere held the family's (boss's) bank; the boss would give the
ok to finance this or that, like a big shylock deal, and the wiseguy
would go to the consigliere for the money.

Scrollkey1

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Sep 19, 2002, 12:01:27 AM9/19/02
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One must rememebr that the mob is not some military orgainzation with every
position mandated by law. The consigliere is an advisor to the boss. Now that
means different things in different familis. In some families, the consigliere
is a real power. In others, it is a meaningless title given to some old duffer.
The consigliere will generally have his own crew of soldiers. He is technically
third in command, though, again, that varies by family. In some he is equal to
the underboss.
Sylvio is the consigliere. In season 2, Paulie and Sylvio are given bumps,
equal under Tony. That would make Paulie underboss -- though the show really
never shows him in that role, per se.
One could argue that Paulie is acting underboss since Tony is acting boss, but
actually underboss. Jackie Aprile was acting boss before he died. The actual
boss is in prison.
Cheers,
Russ McD

Rob Jacobs

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Sep 22, 2002, 12:12:09 PM9/22/02
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"S.P.Q.R" <davo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> > He's a consigliere, higher than a capo. He's Tony's right hand
man--main
> > advisor. See the org chart (Rucker, "The Sopranos: A Family History').
> > Same kind of postion Mickey Palmice held relative to Junior.
>
> Palmice did Junior's hits. He probably was not his consigliere.
>

The Rucker org chart listed him as consigliere. He seemed to be more of
driver/enforcer though..

Rob

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