La infanta de grazia from the Pyranees, and the man of la manche
steve
She is royalty from the Pyranees,
"The Birthday of the Infanta"
written by Oscar Wilde
(as gist for Mr. Wiggly's mill puts Billy Bud to shame)
the infanta as little princess sort of suggests
another favorite of English teachers
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's
"The Little Prince"
Since we are talking of children and gnostics
the infancy gospel of Thomas
brings us to Don Quixote tilting at windmills
Min (the malignant cunt Pauly snuffs)
tells us she often enjoyed the man of la manche
Min the Egyptian is somehow reminiscent of Tony
Min ...his fetish - was of a barbed arrow or a thunderbolt.
the Min Palette...had the symbol of the fertility god
...this looks like a double-ended arrow...
Min was always a god of fertility and sexuality.
He was shown as a human male with an erect penis.
In Egyptian times, he was usually an ithyphallic bearded mummiform
man,
During New Kingdom times he was sometimes shown as a white bull, an
animal sacred to the fertility god.
... Min, Bull of the Great Phallus,
...
You are the Great Male, the owner of all females.
The Bull who is unites with those of the sweet love, of beautiful face
and of painted eyes,
Victorious sovereign among the Gods who inspires fear in the Ennead.
...
The goddesses are glad, seeing your perfection.
-- Hymn to Min
...associated with ...lettuce - an aphrodisiac to the ancient
Egyptians ....
...Min also has a destructive side, rather than just creative.
After plowing some whores, in the scene with the helicopter
Tony waters the ground while Furio looks on
In representations of one of the important Min festivals, the Pharaoh
was shown hoeing the ground and watering the fields while Min looked
on.
There are also scenes of pharaohs ceremonially hoeing the ground and
watering the fields under the supervision of Min. It is interesting to
note that a virgin was poetically referred to as an 'unplowed field'.
Min became a god who offered protection to travellers and traders -
Min tells us she often enjoyed the man of la manche
..."Min, the Male of the Mountain",
Don Quixote
The Pyranees
The 13th century Where the men of the Sopranos live
The Inquisition Juniors trial
Gnostics the name of a 2nd century cult applied to
the Cathars and other heritics burned
by the judges of the Inquisition whose
last refuges were in the Pyranees
...Min – Lord of the Foreign Lands, in this Mountain, the Noble One,
"My majesty caused the Prince – the Overseer of the City, the Vizier,
the Overseer of the Royal Constructions ...being one whom the king who
is upon the Two Lands sent to bring him his wishes from the hill
countries of his father Min."
The appraiser of houses, Carmine and the Hud thing
Tony and Johnny Sak playing king of the hill with Carmine
He made it as his monuments for his father
Min of Gebtu, Lord of the Hill Countries,
Min became the husband of Isis and father of Horus because of his
powers of fertility. In later periods he was possibly placed in a
triad to the Syrian love goddess Qedeshet (Kadesh, Qadesh, Qetesh,
Qudshu) and the Syrian god of war and thunder, Reshef (Reshep,
Reshpu).
...As a lunar deity Min was sometimes given the title "Protector of
the Moon". In this capacity, the god was related to the Egyptian
calendar - the last day of the lunar month was consecrated to the
deity, and the day was known as "The Exit of Min".
The illuminata and the new world order
come into the equation as an extention
of the old secret societies of which
the mafia are a part. More on that
in another post.
regards,
steve
Phoenix
@posting.google.com>, whi...@shore.net
says...
> La infanta de grazia is meadows new roomate
> She is royalty from the Pyranees,
I'm still confused by this insertion.
Hannibal maybe, riding elephants?
>
> "The Birthday of the Infanta"
> written by Oscar Wilde
> (as gist for Mr. Wiggly's mill puts Billy Bud to shame)
>
> the infanta as little princess sort of suggests
> another favorite of English teachers
> Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's
> "The Little Prince"
>
> Since we are talking of children and gnostics
> the infancy gospel of Thomas
> brings us to Don Quixote tilting at windmills
>
> Min (the malignant cunt Pauly snuffs)
> tells us she often enjoyed the man of la manche
Who saw an army in a flock of sheep, like Tony
sees an Italian princess in his daughter?
Paulie saw a revolutionary general in the
painting. Silvio saw Carmine as Charon.
Who was dreaming the impossible dream?
Carmela, obviously. Fighting the unbeatable
foe? Ralphie. Going where the brave dare not
go? Paulie ("Fools rush in...")
I'm still confused. What's with Spain? The
Inquisition?
Spain is also the place old Roman generals and
senators went to retire, farm the beautiful
lands, reflect, and write their memoirs.
Spain was also where Eastern and Western
knowledge began to mix (as well as the 3
faiths of The Book) and the University was
born.
>
> Min the Egyptian is somehow reminiscent of Tony
>
> Min ...his fetish - was of a barbed arrow or a thunderbolt.
> the Min Palette...had the symbol of the fertility god
> ...this looks like a double-ended arrow...
>
> Min was always a god of fertility and sexuality.
> He was shown as a human male with an erect penis.
> In Egyptian times, he was usually an ithyphallic bearded mummiform
> man,
Not on Prozac, I assume.
> During New Kingdom times he was sometimes shown as a white bull, an
> animal sacred to the fertility god.
Heh! You know, I'm keeping a close eye on
these bulls. Virile beasts, who should be
rutting and reproducing, sacrificed in their
prime.
Bingo!
>
> The illuminata and the new world order
> come into the equation as an extention
> of the old secret societies of which
> the mafia are a part. More on that
> in another post.
Can't wait!
bel
>
> regards,
>
> steve
>
Liam Devlin
> In article <8262d683.0212050602.50ee938
> @posting.google.com>, whi...@shore.net
> says...
>
>>La infanta de grazia is meadows new roomate
>>She is royalty from the Pyranees,
>
> I'm still confused by this insertion.
You said "insertion", heh, heh, heh:)
steve
>
>In article <8262d683.0212050602.50ee938
>@posting.google.com>, whi...@shore.net
>says...
>> La infanta de grazia is meadows new roomate
>> She is royalty from the Pyranees,
>
>I'm still confused by this insertion.
>Hannibal maybe, riding elephants?
The Pyranees are a pretty interesting place...
located on the border of Spain and France, the mountains
along the border were the stomping ground of Don Quixote.
They are chock full of ancient myths and legends.
Going back to the man of La Manche and before him the Cathars.
they are home turf for the Basques and the location of the
tiny country of Andorra whose principal industry
for centuries was smuggling.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/an.html
"Many immigrants (legal and illegal) are attracted
to the thriving economy with its lack of income taxes."
Being mostly focused on the legends regarding what's hidden
and secreted in the Pyranees I hadn't thought to go back
to Hannibal and the Carthaginians.
From the time of Charlemagne and the Song of Roland,
The legends regarding the region of Montserat are tied
to and mixed in with the legends of the alchemist Gerber,
the Magdelinians, the heresys of the Cathars, the home
bases of military orders and secret societies and a
strong Celtiberian Punic alliance with North Africa.
The Phoenicians and Carthaginians who brought tin from Britain
and the Iberian penninsula through the Pillars of Hercules
back to the Mediterranian world purposely began spreading
rumours through all the port cities of the ancient world
that if you sailed out through the Pillars of Hercules
into the Atlantic you would encounter sea serpents
and dragons and then eventually sail off the edge
of the earth.
Whats kind of interesting about them is that they invented
organized crime and were generally known as sea people
rather than landfolk.
Originating c 1200 BC in seaports on the coast of Lebanon
they set up bases of operations to monopolize the drug trade
throughout the mediterranian by the 6th century BC.
They also monopolised the construction industry,
the garment industry, controlled the docks and shipping,
monopolized the arms trade by controlling the sources of tin
used to make bronze and later the sources of iron.
They were the people refered to by Plato as having organized
an ocean emppire larger than Libya and Asia combined because
after the Phoenicians circumnavigated Libya for Neco c 600 BC
and returned to the Mediterranean through the pillars of Hercules
as an Atlanttic power they controlled the waters surrounding
Libya and Asia.
The Punics backed this up by acting as pirates to destroy
any ship they found in their waters to prevent any
stories of their rich trade routes getting back
to the Greeks and Romans.
In Basque and Punic Iberia one interesting anomaly
is a high percentage of Type B blood and another is that
as a consequence of making their living from the sea rather
than the land their diets had higher levels of Nor-epinepherine
and Serotonin than landfolk generally.
The seaports and coasts of Aragon and Granada, Marsailles,
Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Naples, Malta were originally
under Phoenician and Carthaginian control and later
came to be associated with smuggling.
Despite this, in about the second century
Pythias of Marsailles blew the lid on their racket
with his explorations of Ultima Thule, the land of Ice.
Gordon Lightfoot- Ode To Big Blue (Don Quixote)
http://www.corfid.com/gl/Albums/Don_Quixote/Ode_To_Big_Blue.htm
The legends regarding Joseph of Aramantea, the tin trader
various brothers, wives and the Magdalene on the lam
to Montpelier, the Military Orders, Grand Masters, Mafioso,
and persecutions of the Cathars in the second crusade are
all touched on in our Dante Stuff.
La Infanta de Grazia literally the infant of grace
is best investigated in the works of Umberto Eco
such as "The Name of The Rose" and "Foucaults Pendulum"
or in the ancient grimoires and alchemical texts
where the little princess is under the spell
of or associated with the red dragon.
>> "The Birthday of the Infanta"
>> written by Oscar Wilde
>> (as gist for Mr. Wiggly's mill puts Billy Bud to shame)
>>
>> the infanta as little princess sort of suggests
>> another favorite of English teachers
>> Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's
>> "The Little Prince"
>>
>> Since we are talking of children and gnostics
>> the infancy gospel of Thomas
>> brings us to Don Quixote tilting at windmills
>>
>> Min (the malignant cunt Pauly snuffs)
>> tells us she often enjoyed the man of la manche
>
>Who saw an army in a flock of sheep, like Tony
>sees an Italian princess in his daughter?
>Paulie saw a revolutionary general in the
>painting. Silvio saw Carmine as Charon.
"These words of the Ragged One reminded Don Quixote
of the tale his squire had told him, when he failed
to keep count of the goats that had crossed the river
and the story remained unfinished;"
http://www.panzaconsulting.com/quixote/dq_028.html
The Sheep from Ellysian fields, Charon as the boatman
that takes you across the Styx to get there, Washington
crossing the Delaware as the first step in founding
a new world order,...
>
>Who was dreaming the impossible dream?
>Carmela, obviously.
Unrequited love and the references to Beatrice
in the divine comedy and Dulcina in Don Quixote,...
>Fighting the unbeatable foe? Ralphie.
>Going where the brave dare not
>go? Paulie ("Fools rush in...")
I think the unbeatable foe and the real devil is temptation
who binds us with the chains of our own free will
Meadow is tempted by Pride
Pauly by Envy
Carmella by Lust
Adrianna by Wrath, (it used to be Ralph but he's past caring)
Carmine and Johnny Sak by Greed
AJ by Sloth
I'm not sure what category to put the temptations
of drug abuse under for Chrissy and earlier
for Meadow experimenting with X.
I still can't think of a single instance of Gluttony.
The most difficult of all is to pin Tony down
all seven seem to apply to him at different
times but he seems to be able to break
free of them if he needs to.
>I'm still confused. What's with Spain? The
>Inquisition?
>
>Spain is also the place old Roman generals and
>senators went to retire, farm the beautiful
>lands, reflect, and write their memoirs.
Sure, its where Ralphs hero the gladiator comes from
its home to Don Quixote, Columbus, The Templars and
Hospitalers, various military orders with Grand Masters
that become the model for the various Mafias, all
kinds of heretical notions, and lots of horses
and goats.
>
>Spain was also where Eastern and Western
>knowledge began to mix (as well as the 3
>faiths of The Book) and the University was born.
Exactly. It was point of entry into Europe for
the Moors and all the science and mathematics,
that had been preserved in Arabic to be
reintroduced into academia over the
objections of the church.
>
>>
>> Min the Egyptian is somehow reminiscent of Tony
>>
>> Min ...his fetish - was of a barbed arrow or a thunderbolt.
>> the Min Palette...had the symbol of the fertility god
>> ...this looks like a double-ended arrow...
>>
>> Min was always a god of fertility and sexuality.
>> He was shown as a human male with an erect penis.
>> In Egyptian times, he was usually an ithyphallic
>> bearded mummiform man,
>
>Not on Prozac, I assume.
Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs),
of which Prozac is one, alleviate depression by
raising the level of the nerve hormone serotonin.
Norepinepherine and serotoninine are the two nerve hormones
most affected by drug use. All psycotropic drugs such as
marijuana raise serotonine levels.
Since you bring it up, German researchers checking hair samples
from Egyptian mummies have found them testing positive for cocaine.
This research has been going on for about ten years and in the
process added positive results for nicotine and a wide range
of other drugs including opiates and marijuana.
People with low levels of nor-epinepherine and serotonine find
it hard to function without constant positive reinforcement,
sort of like a little kid clutching mommy's skirts.
As the levels rise people become more social and look for
security in adherence to laws.
As the levels rise further people become self actualizing
and begin to explore freedom as a state of being without limits.
Some researchers think that the relative levels are genetically
determined and others that they are the result of diet which
might be a result of cultural or ethnic influence.
Maybe there is something to this, maybe not, but current research
suggests that some entire cultures may be more comfortable with
security in adherence to laws while others may be more comfortable
with freedom as a state of being without limits, with the limits
defined as the behavior that the laws are made to inhibit.
>
>> During New Kingdom times he was sometimes shown as a white bull, an
>> animal sacred to the fertility god.
>
>Heh! You know, I'm keeping a close eye on
>these bulls. Virile beasts, who should be
>rutting and reproducing, sacrificed in their
>prime.
Do you remember in season one Tony telling the story of the
old bull and the young bull to Uncle Junior at the ball game?
That's an old story that goes back to the Apis bulls but
bull worship could be considered a common thread of most
civilized nations development.
I went into the various criminal organizations headed by
Grand Masters in Naples, Scicily etc; in another post but...
The Garduna
- written records were kept of it's crimes, clients and fees from 1520
but is believed to have existed in the early fifteenth century.
Its headquarters was in Seville, Spain but they had branches
in Toledo, Barcelona and Cordova and other smaller organizations
in smaller towns. The Garduna ledger books that were seized in 1822,
brought about the conviction of the grand master and sixteen of
his chief captains - they were hanged in Seville 1822.
It is believed, that after this date the remainder
of the Garduna emigrated to the New World.
The Camorra (spanish word meaning 'fight' or 'quarrel');
founded in Naples, the Camorra were powerful criminals
during the 18th and 19th century. The Camorra had a 'capo'
or captain and the underlings were organised into families.
All the captains formed a Grand Council with usually
a Grand Master (boss of bosses). The captains would be given
licences to do business in their own territory and would pay
the Grand Council a portion of the revenue. A lot of the
earlier recruits were mainly from prisons and until about 1850/60
were classed as beginners until they had served a probation period
of one year.
They would not become a fully fledged Camorrist until they had
committed a murder, ordered by the society.
The capo was in charge of organising robberies, blackmail,
loan sharking and levied a franchise tax on cab drivers,
boatmen, dealers and auctioneers.
See: The Criminal Brotherhoods, David Leon Chandler, Constable & Company London 1976.
http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art15.htm
Count Alessandro di Cagliostro
Real Name: Guiseppe Balsamo
Place of Birth: Palermo, Sicily, Italy
Affiliations: the Brothers of Mercy, a proto-Mafia established in 1640
by Andrea Vitelli, a.k.a. Bel Demonio (Beautiful Demon)
Known Relatives: Lorenza Feliciani (wife, deceased),
Josephine Tascher de la Pagerie (daughter, future wife of Napoleon)
Extent of Education: Studied sorcery and alchemy
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/holy_smoke_mirrors.htm
Essentially its the story of the Grand Masters of the Old Military Orders.
As the orders of the Tempars and Hospitalers became rich through old
traditions of pilage, plunder and piracy using the crusades against
evil doers and muslims as cover, there came to be a growing interest
in a new world order among the illuminati of the Teutonic Knights.
In 1776 the illuminati were formed and their symbols became
incorporated in the Great Seal of the United States
In 1792 the French national Assembly confiscated the last
of the Hospitals estates.
In 1798 The Last of the Old Military Orders was detached from Malta
by Napoleon.
After that their remenants began emigrating to the United States
as the Mafia.
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=P2
A secret society within the Grand Orient Lodge of Egyptian Freemasonry.
Organized by Licio Gelli as part of the CIA's Gladio operation.
They were convicted of engineering the Vatican Banking Scandal of the 1970s
(alluded to in The Godfather part 3), several terrorist bombings,
and the highjacking of a Bavarian train in 1980.
This conspiracy used the Banco Ambrosiano and Vatican Bank
in order to launder money and commit various acts of fraud
in order to pull off a fascist coup in Italy
(which suited the CIA just fine, as they considered anything
better than Communists, even fascists.
Especially fascists--why? one man: General Reinhard Gehlen--
Hitler's chief of Soviet Intelligence and post-war organizer of the CIA).
The P2 had ties to the Mafia, the Knights of Malta, and some allege
Colombian drug lords and Reagan's "freedom fighters."
(Judge that last one on your own.)
There are some who believe that the P2 plotted the death of Pope John Paul I,
who it is believed was about to order an investigation of the Vatican Bank.
Here's what the Freemasons have to say about the P2:
When the Grand Orient was revived after the Second World War
it was decided to number the Lodges by drawing lots;
Lodge Propaganda drew number two, thus it became P2.
It rarely held meetings and was almost inactive.
In 1967, Brother Lucio Gelli, who had been initiated into a Lodge
in Rome in 1965, was placed in virtual control of P2 by the
Grand Master of the day.
He was considered to be a shrewd and successful businessman
with a great gift for recruiting. In 1970 he was made secretary of P2
and subsequently a substantial number of well-placed men were initiated.
In most recognized Grand Lodge jurisdictions, these practices would not
be countenanced. An argument could be made that by Italian standards,
nothing was amiss.
Gelli's growing influence became a concern of the then Grand Master who,
in late 1974, proposed that P2 be erased. At the Grand Orient Communication
in December 1974, of the 406 Lodges represented, 400 voted for its erasure.
In March 1975 Gelli accused the Grand Master of gross financial irregularities,
withdrawing the accusations only after the Grand Master issued a warrant
for a new P2 Lodge--despite the fact that the Grand Orient had erased it
only four months earlier. P2 was considered regular; its membership
was no longer secret and Gelli was its Master.
In 1976, Gelli requested that P2 be suspended but not erased.
This nuance of jurisprudence meant that he could continue to
preserve some semblance of regularity for his private club
without being answerable to the Grand Orient.
By 1978, suspect financial arrangements involving the Grand Master prompted
many other Grand Lodges to threaten to withdraw recognition, and the Grand Master
resigned before his term expired. Gelli promptly financed the election campaign
of the Immediate Past Grand Master, but the Grand Orient elected another candidate
as their new leader.
In 1980, Gelli told a press interview that Freemasonry was a puppet show
in which he pulled the strings. Italian Masonry was outraged by this,
struck a Masonic tribunal which in 1981 expelled him and decided that P2
had been erased as a Lodge in 1974 and therefore any contrary action
by a Grand Master had been illegal.
The same year the police investigated Gelli for a range
of fraudulent activities and, in searching his house,
found a P2 register of 950 names - mostly prominent people.
Several government ministers resigned and the Italian Government fell.
Gelli managed to get out of the country.
A Special Parliamentary Commission found Gelli to have an obscure
and opportunistic past and to count among his friends many such
as the fraudulent banker Calvi who was later found dead under
London's Black Friars Bridge, and the banker Sindona who was
later jailed in the USA for fraud and suspected murder.
The nature and aims of Gelli's alleged political intrigues have
never been explained. From his South American hideaway, he has
sent out obscure messages and has offered to give himself up
to Italian police if certain conditions were met.
The authorities have issued no public statement.
The President of the Parliamentary Commission of Investigation,
while openly hostile to Freemasonry at the outset, eventually
declared that Freemasonry itself had been Gelli's first and
principal victim. While three successive Grand Masters
(two now deceased and one expelled from Freemasonry)
had manipulated secret funds, secret members, secret
decisions and secret Lodges, the body of Italian
Freemasonry was neither guilty nor culpable
in the P2 Affair.
At the Grand Orient Meeting of March 1982,
no incumbent Grand Officer was re-elected.
From: http://freemasonry.bc.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry01.html
>
>bel
>
regards,
steve
CliffB
jeezus H freakin kee-reyst!!
Thanks Steve, interesting stuff. (talk about tilting at windmills!)
maybe they can get AJ married off to the Pyrenee princess and raise the
bloodline a little.
in article N9qI9.186$VA5.1...@news1.news.adelphia.net, steve at
whi...@shore.net wrote on 12/7/02 12:25 PM:
Phoenix
@news1.news.adelphia.net>, whi...@shore.net
says...
> In article <MPG.185b66368...@news-server.carolina.rr.com>, avian...@yahoo.com says...
> >
> >In article <8262d683.0212050602.50ee938
> >@posting.google.com>, whi...@shore.net
> >says...
> >> La infanta de grazia is meadows new roomate
> >> She is royalty from the Pyranees,
> >
> >I'm still confused by this insertion.
> >Hannibal maybe, riding elephants?
>
> The Pyranees are a pretty interesting place...
>
> located on the border of Spain and France, the mountains
> along the border were the stomping ground of Don Quixote.
> They are chock full of ancient myths and legends.
I thought Quixote ran rampant on the Plains of
La Mancha?
>
> Going back to the man of La Manche and before him the Cathars.
> they are home turf for the Basques and the location of the
> tiny country of Andorra whose principal industry
> for centuries was smuggling.
>
> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/an.html
>
> "Many immigrants (legal and illegal) are attracted
> to the thriving economy with its lack of income taxes."
Best place to exchange money, too, back in
olden times before the Euro.
>
> Being mostly focused on the legends regarding what's hidden
> and secreted in the Pyranees I hadn't thought to go back
> to Hannibal and the Carthaginians.
>
> From the time of Charlemagne and the Song of Roland,
> The legends regarding the region of Montserat are tied
> to and mixed in with the legends of the alchemist Gerber,
> the Magdelinians, the heresys of the Cathars, the home
> bases of military orders and secret societies and a
> strong Celtiberian Punic alliance with North Africa.
A strong cultural link can be made with
bagpipes, of all things. The Celts, the
Galicians of Spain, and some North African
tribes all play bagpipes originally made from
the skins of sacrificed animals.
>
> The Phoenicians and Carthaginians who brought tin from Britain
> and the Iberian penninsula through the Pillars of Hercules
> back to the Mediterranian world purposely began spreading
> rumours through all the port cities of the ancient world
> that if you sailed out through the Pillars of Hercules
> into the Atlantic you would encounter sea serpents
> and dragons and then eventually sail off the edge
> of the earth.
>
> Whats kind of interesting about them is that they invented
> organized crime and were generally known as sea people
> rather than landfolk.
>
> Originating c 1200 BC in seaports on the coast of Lebanon
> they set up bases of operations to monopolize the drug trade
> throughout the mediterranian by the 6th century BC.
>
> They also monopolised the construction industry,
> the garment industry, controlled the docks and shipping,
> monopolized the arms trade by controlling the sources of tin
> used to make bronze and later the sources of iron.
>
> They were the people refered to by Plato as having organized
> an ocean emppire larger than Libya and Asia combined because
> after the Phoenicians circumnavigated Libya for Neco c 600 BC
> and returned to the Mediterranean through the pillars of Hercules
> as an Atlanttic power they controlled the waters surrounding
> Libya and Asia.
How true is the legend that the Tuscans
(Etruscans) are descendants from the original
Phoenicians?
>
> The Punics backed this up by acting as pirates to destroy
> any ship they found in their waters to prevent any
> stories of their rich trade routes getting back
> to the Greeks and Romans.
>
> In Basque and Punic Iberia one interesting anomaly
> is a high percentage of Type B blood and another is that
> as a consequence of making their living from the sea rather
> than the land their diets had higher levels of Nor-epinepherine
> and Serotonin than landfolk generally.
The Spanish lands surrounding the Bay of
Biscay has the oldest documented whale hunting
culture, as well.
>
> The seaports and coasts of Aragon and Granada, Marsailles,
> Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Naples, Malta were originally
> under Phoenician and Carthaginian control and later
> came to be associated with smuggling.
>
> Despite this, in about the second century
> Pythias of Marsailles blew the lid on their racket
> with his explorations of Ultima Thule, the land of Ice.
>
> Gordon Lightfoot- Ode To Big Blue (Don Quixote)
> http://www.corfid.com/gl/Albums/Don_Quixote/Ode_To_Big_Blue.htm
>
> The legends regarding Joseph of Aramantea, the tin trader
> various brothers, wives and the Magdalene on the lam
> to Montpelier, the Military Orders, Grand Masters, Mafioso,
> and persecutions of the Cathars in the second crusade are
> all touched on in our Dante Stuff.
The Holy Grail too, and the Sang Roi.
> >Fighting the unbeatable foe? Ralphie.
> >Going where the brave dare not
> >go? Paulie ("Fools rush in...")
>
> I think the unbeatable foe and the real devil is temptation
> who binds us with the chains of our own free will
>
> Meadow is tempted by Pride
> Pauly by Envy
> Carmella by Lust
> Adrianna by Wrath, (it used to be Ralph but he's past caring)
I'll take Janice by Wrath for $200.
> Carmine and Johnny Sak by Greed
> AJ by Sloth
>
> I'm not sure what category to put the temptations
> of drug abuse under for Chrissy and earlier
> for Meadow experimenting with X.
Pride probably, but it's a stretch.
>
> I still can't think of a single instance of Gluttony.
You keep saying this! Are you sure? With all
the eating that goes on, and the spending?
>
> >
> >Spain was also where Eastern and Western
> >knowledge began to mix (as well as the 3
> >faiths of The Book) and the University was born.
>
> Exactly. It was point of entry into Europe for
> the Moors and all the science and mathematics,
> that had been preserved in Arabic to be
> reintroduced into academia over the
> objections of the church.
Not to mention the Jewish mystics and
Philosophers.
> >
> >>
> >> Min the Egyptian is somehow reminiscent of Tony
> >>
> >> Min ...his fetish - was of a barbed arrow or a thunderbolt.
> >> the Min Palette...had the symbol of the fertility god
> >> ...this looks like a double-ended arrow...
> >>
> >> Min was always a god of fertility and sexuality.
> >> He was shown as a human male with an erect penis.
> >> In Egyptian times, he was usually an ithyphallic
> >> bearded mummiform man,
> >
> >Not on Prozac, I assume.
>
> Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs),
> of which Prozac is one, alleviate depression by
> raising the level of the nerve hormone serotonin.
>
> Norepinepherine and serotoninine are the two nerve hormones
> most affected by drug use. All psycotropic drugs such as
> marijuana raise serotonine levels.
>
> Since you bring it up, German researchers checking hair samples
> from Egyptian mummies have found them testing positive for cocaine.
> This research has been going on for about ten years and in the
> process added positive results for nicotine and a wide range
> of other drugs including opiates and marijuana.
I saw a program about that! What a mystery?
Delightful really, that we can't figure out
everything, that our imaginations might be as
accurate as our science in how far and wide
humans travelled back in the day, or the
plants that existed which are no more.
On the same show, I believe, they contended
that the Sacred Lotus of Egypt, which was
inhaled, drunk, and eaten during fertility
rites, had some of the same chemistry as
Viagra. The German scientists contended that
repeated use would build it's aphrodisiac
properties.
>
> People with low levels of nor-epinepherine and serotonine find
> it hard to function without constant positive reinforcement,
> sort of like a little kid clutching mommy's skirts.
And Tony's reinforcement is what? Livia would
kick anything that tried to clutch her, so is
Tony substituting money and influence for
positive reinforcement? Not unlike many
men....
>
> As the levels rise people become more social and look for
> security in adherence to laws.
>
> As the levels rise further people become self actualizing
> and begin to explore freedom as a state of being without limits.
>
> Some researchers think that the relative levels are genetically
> determined and others that they are the result of diet which
> might be a result of cultural or ethnic influence.
>
> Maybe there is something to this, maybe not, but current research
> suggests that some entire cultures may be more comfortable with
> security in adherence to laws while others may be more comfortable
> with freedom as a state of being without limits, with the limits
> defined as the behavior that the laws are made to inhibit.
And so, we fall into the Northern/Southern
schism. Ol' Nietzsche's Apollonian vs
Dionysian cultures. The fight, the pull, and
in this country the conflict of White and
Black, and the arguments of who builds the
better society.
> >
> >> During New Kingdom times he was sometimes shown as a white bull, an
> >> animal sacred to the fertility god.
> >
> >Heh! You know, I'm keeping a close eye on
> >these bulls. Virile beasts, who should be
> >rutting and reproducing, sacrificed in their
> >prime.
>
> Do you remember in season one Tony telling the story of the
> old bull and the young bull to Uncle Junior at the ball game?
"Let's walk down there and fuck them all"
>
> That's an old story that goes back to the Apis bulls but
> bull worship could be considered a common thread of most
> civilized nations development.
Speaking of cattle and sheep, I read a book.
"Courtesans and Fishcakes", which examined the
economy and politics of ancient Greece based
on luxury items - the things that could be
bought and sold in the agora - as opposed to
necessities that were meted out through Temple
ceremonies. Beef and lamb were almost always
controlled by religious observance, a quasi-
rationing, where anyone could get the good
cuts based on a system of lots. Eating blood
meat was considered a religious obligation,
and the wealthy donated the animals as a way
to support the whole society. Fish, on the
other hand, were bought with silver (scales,
get it) and could be enjoyed privately.
Vast fortunes could be squandered and regained
in Greece because the essentials would always
be given. As long as the bulls were
sacrificed on schedule, then luxuries and
vices were enjoyed whether a little or a lot.
Overindulgence in luxuries (like prostitutes
or fishcakes) was handled with jest and
derision and considered a sign of the cycles
of wealth which were fluid, never stable. But
the bull, and other sacrifices, allowed for
all this freedom.
I'm still thinking about Tony as the Fatted
Calf, and whether his "execution" will be
obligatory. The Fortunate Son might end up
having to hold up the world.
As in Montallou.
> http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art15.htm
> Count Alessandro di Cagliostro
> Real Name: Guiseppe Balsamo
> Place of Birth: Palermo, Sicily, Italy
> Affiliations: the Brothers of Mercy, a proto-Mafia established in 1640
> by Andrea Vitelli, a.k.a. Bel Demonio (Beautiful Demon)
> Known Relatives: Lorenza Feliciani (wife, deceased),
> Josephine Tascher de la Pagerie (daughter, future wife of Napoleon)
> Extent of Education: Studied sorcery and alchemy
>
> http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/holy_smoke_mirrors.htm
Oh dear. I was wondering when Opus Dei would
make and appearance here. Robert Hanson and
Louis Freeh are members, doncha know. For all
the mystery, integrity, and self flagellation,
I don't think the organization is having it's
intended effect on the world. Might as well
be divining the future from the entrails of an
ass or painting their bodies blue for the
holidays. At least there would be some
catharsis in that.
I haven't seen a mention of Octopus in years,
wow.
>
> Essentially its the story of the Grand Masters of the Old Military Orders.
> As the orders of the Tempars and Hospitalers became rich through old
> traditions of pilage, plunder and piracy using the crusades against
> evil doers and muslims as cover, there came to be a growing interest
> in a new world order among the illuminati of the Teutonic Knights.
>
> In 1776 the illuminati were formed and their symbols became
> incorporated in the Great Seal of the United States
>
> In 1792 the French national Assembly confiscated the last
> of the Hospitals estates.
>
> In 1798 The Last of the Old Military Orders was detached from Malta
> by Napoleon.
>
> After that their remenants began emigrating to the United States
> as the Mafia.
>
> http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=P2
This page wouldn't open for me.
>
> A secret society within the Grand Orient Lodge of Egyptian Freemasonry.
> Organized by Licio Gelli as part of the CIA's Gladio operation.
>
> They were convicted of engineering the Vatican Banking Scandal of the 1970s
> (alluded to in The Godfather part 3), several terrorist bombings,
> and the highjacking of a Bavarian train in 1980.
>
> This conspiracy used the Banco Ambrosiano and Vatican Bank
> in order to launder money and commit various acts of fraud
> in order to pull off a fascist coup in Italy
> (which suited the CIA just fine, as they considered anything
> better than Communists, even fascists.
>
> Especially fascists--why? one man: General Reinhard Gehlen--
> Hitler's chief of Soviet Intelligence and post-war organizer of the CIA).
For all the good it did us.
> From: http://freemasonry.bc.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry01.html
Interesting stuff, but it looks like the
Masons are past their prime in influence and
objective.
bel
>
> >
> >bel
> >
>
> regards,
>
> steve
>
>
>
steve
>
>In article <N9qI9.186$VA5.185003
>@news1.news.adelphia.net>, whi...@shore.net
>says...
>> In article <MPG.185b66368...@news-server.carolina.rr.com>, avian...@yahoo.com says...
>> >
>> >In article <8262d683.0212050602.50ee938
>> >@posting.google.com>, whi...@shore.net
>> >says...
>> >> La infanta de grazia is meadows new roomate
>> >> She is royalty from the Pyranees,
>> >
>> >I'm still confused by this insertion.
>> >Hannibal maybe, riding elephants?
>>
>> The Pyranees are a pretty interesting place...
>>
>> located on the border of Spain and France, the mountains
>> along the border were the stomping ground of Don Quixote.
>> They are chock full of ancient myths and legends.
>
>I thought Quixote ran rampant on the Plains of
>La Mancha?
Don Quixote is the Man of La Mancha because
La Mancha in central Spain, is his home.
He leaves La Mancha riding Rocinante,accompanied by Sancho Panza.
to ride the roads of Spain in search of adventure and whatever comes it will,
mainly in quest of the love of a peasant woman, Dulcinea del Toboso,
whom he envisions as a princess.
En route he has a series of mishaps which include becoming convinced
of the healing powers of the Balsam of Fierbras, an elixir that makes him ill
so that later by comparison he feels healed.
It is perhaps, the same elixir that we have been taking from Chase all season.
After his arrival in Barcelona on the third expedition
the Knight of the White Moon vanquishes him.
Don Quixote forswears all chivalric truths and dies from a fever.
and with his death, knights-errant become extinct forever.
>> Going back to the man of La Manche and before him the Cathars.
>> they are home turf for the Basques and the location of the
>> tiny country of Andorra whose principal industry
>> for centuries was smuggling.
>>
>> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/an.html
>>
>> "Many immigrants (legal and illegal) are attracted
>> to the thriving economy with its lack of income taxes."
>
>Best place to exchange money, too, back in
>olden times before the Euro.
Andorra is the source of the wool that gets pulled over your eyes.
>> Being mostly focused on the legends regarding what's hidden
>> and secreted in the Pyranees I hadn't thought to go back
>> to Hannibal and the Carthaginians.
>>
>> From the time of Charlemagne and the Song of Roland,
>> The legends regarding the region of Montserat are tied
>> to and mixed in with the legends of the alchemist Gerber,
>> the Magdelinians, the heresys of the Cathars, the home
>> bases of military orders and secret societies and a
>> strong Celtiberian Punic alliance with North Africa.
>
>A strong cultural link can be made with
>bagpipes, of all things. The Celts, the
>Galicians of Spain, and some North African
>tribes all play bagpipes originally made from
>the skins of sacrificed animals.
I didn't know that. It appears to fit in with
some other stuff we have been touching on, namely
the connection between the people of the Mediterranean
and the Atlantic. Please go on and tell us more about
the cultural links.
IMHO sometime after the Trojan War c 1200 BC when the Greeks
had already colonised the heel of Italy and the Punics its toe,
The Punics did begin to colonize Italys coasts from the Po south.
If you read all the available sources their "almost infinite wanderings"
included most of the known world that could be considered connected
by trade routes.
In Particular Troys sea people would have followed the rivers leading
from the Black Sea (such as the Danube, Dneister, Dneiper and Don)
into the regions that later became the realm of the Teutonic knights
in Germany, then followed the Oder and Elbe to the Baltic,and the
Rhine and Rhone into Gaul and gone on across the North Sea by way
of the Tin Islands to Ireland and the territory of the Templars
and Hospitalars in Celt-Iberian Spain and Gaul.
Essentially the route into Italy was west following the Danube
between what is now Bulgaria and Romania into Serbia, then on
through Boznia Hersogovinia, Croatia and Slovinia to northern Italy
passing thence west from Venice, upstream along the Po through
Milan, and Tourin, to the west coast thence south along the islands,
Corsica, Sardinia and Sicily then back up the west coast as far as Naples
essentially leaving Latinus in control of central Italy from Rome
as far north as Tuscany.
Working north along the coasts through Sicily with alies
from North Africa where Carthage would later be established
as a colony to oversee the trade in salt and tin, the men of Tyre
began filtering in by sea and river to the region which is now Tuscany,
where their advance was stopped by Latinus.
My expectation is that this "migration" occupied about 4 centuries
from c 1200-800 BC
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/europe_ref_2000.jpg
Livy says:
"Similar misfortunes led to Aeneas becoming a wanderer
but the Fates were preparing a higher destiny for him.
He first visited Macedonia, (The Danube) then was carried
down to Sicily in quest of a settlement; from Sicily he
directed his course to the Laurentian territory.
Here, too, the name of Troy is found, and here the Trojans
disembarked, and as their almost infinite wanderings
had left them nothing but their arms and their ships,
they began to plunder the neighbourhood.
The Aborigines, who occupied the country, with their king *Latinus*
at their head came hastily together from the city and the country
districts to repel the inroads of the strangers by force of arms."
(Latinus son of Odysseus by Calypso: Apollod. E.7.21)
Aeneam ab simili clade domo profugum
sed ad maiora rerum initia ducentibus fatis,
primo in Macedoniam uenisse, inde in Siciliam
quaerentem sedes delatum, ab Sicilia classe
ad Laurentem agrum tenuisse. Troia et huic loco nomen est.
ibi egressi Troiani, ut quibus ab immenso
prope errore nihil praeter arma et naues superesset,
cum praedam ex agris agerent, Latinus rex Aboriginesque
qui tum ea tenebant loca
>> The Punics backed this up by acting as pirates to destroy
>> any ship they found in their waters to prevent any
>> stories of their rich trade routes getting back
>> to the Greeks and Romans.
>>
>> In Basque and Punic Iberia one interesting anomaly
>> is a high percentage of Type B blood and another is that
>> as a consequence of making their living from the sea rather
>> than the land their diets had higher levels of Nor-epinepherine
>> and Serotonin than landfolk generally.
>
>The Spanish lands surrounding the Bay of Biscay has the
>oldest documented whale hunting culture, as well.
Yes, Its one of the oldest whale hunting cultures in Europe.
There is some evidence for the Irish hunting whales as well.
Also the Inuit and the people of the artic small tool tradition,
the Dorset and Thule cultures of the Ultima Thule Pythias
wrote of. The earliest evidence I have seen of the Red Paint
Maritime tradition goes back c 7500 BC
>
>> The seaports and coasts of Aragon and Granada, Marsailles,
>> Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Naples, Malta were originally
>> under Phoenician and Carthaginian control and later
>> came to be associated with smuggling.
>>
>> Despite this, in about the second century
>> Pythias of Marsailles blew the lid on their racket
>> with his explorations of Ultima Thule, the land of Ice.
>>
>> Gordon Lightfoot- Ode To Big Blue (Don Quixote)
>> http://www.corfid.com/gl/Albums/Don_Quixote/Ode_To_Big_Blue.htm
>>
>> The legends regarding Joseph of Aramantea, the tin trader
>> various brothers, wives and the Magdalene on the lam
>> to Montpelier, the Military Orders, Grand Masters, Mafioso,
>> and persecutions of the Cathars in the second crusade are
>> all touched on in our Dante Stuff.
>
>The Holy Grail too, and the Sang Roi.
I'm embarrased I forgot to mention Arthur, Merlin, Mordred, et al;
its all part and parcel of the same thing but I'm probably blocking
the Carmella/ Furio = Lancelot/Guenivere relation as I find it
a little too soapy for my taste.
>
>> >Fighting the unbeatable foe? Ralphie.
>> >Going where the brave dare not
>> >go? Paulie ("Fools rush in...")
>>
>> I think the unbeatable foe and the real devil is temptation
>> who binds us with the chains of our own free will
>>
>> Meadow is tempted by Pride
>> Pauly by Envy
>> Carmella by Lust
>> Adrianna by Wrath, (it used to be Ralph but he's past caring)
>
>I'll take Janice by Wrath for $200.
I figured Janice was more along the line of she devil
tempting others to fall.
>
>> Carmine and Johnny Sak by Greed
>> AJ by Sloth
>>
>> I'm not sure what category to put the temptations
>> of drug abuse under for Chrissy and earlier
>> for Meadow experimenting with X.
>
>Pride probably, but it's a stretch.
I was thinking Lust or Gluttony as in you can't get enough
but then...
>> I still can't think of a single instance of Gluttony.
>
>You keep saying this! Are you sure? With all
>the eating that goes on, and the spending?
Its sort of like if Gluttony is the norm in all things
its hard to pick a single instance thats over the top...
>
>> >Spain was also where Eastern and Western
>> >knowledge began to mix (as well as the 3
>> >faiths of The Book) and the University was born.
>>
>> Exactly. It was point of entry into Europe for
>> the Moors and all the science and mathematics,
>> that had been preserved in Arabic to be
>> reintroduced into academia over the
>> objections of the church.
>
>Not to mention the Jewish mystics and Philosophers.
>
Do you remember episode 2 "46 Long"; the jew who was so tough
that Pauly and Silvio thought maybe if he survived they should
make him a job offer; the one who only cracked after a call to Hesh
who explained to Tony what it would take to bust his balls?
(Threaten to Kether, his Binah, and Chohkmah)
That was the first of many Sopranos references to the Kabbalah.
That was where Tony standing on the top of the stairs at Satriales
got to deliver the line "We are the Romans"
The Egyptians physicians were all specialists
took examinations and were licensed in their specialties,
had a pharmacopia available that would put Tony Montana to shame
and invented the symbol of the caduccus.
>> People with low levels of nor-epinepherine and serotonine find
>> it hard to function without constant positive reinforcement,
>> sort of like a little kid clutching mommy's skirts.
>
>And Tony's reinforcement is what? Livia would
>kick anything that tried to clutch her, so is
>Tony substituting money and influence for
>positive reinforcement? Not unlike many
>men....
Like many Men who depend on getting positive reinforcement from women
Tony has panic attacks and is on Prozac.
Women are much harder to bully than men, thats why men beat them,...
out of frustration because they simply won't back down
and they have no balls to threaten to cut off.
>> As the levels rise people become more social and look for
>> security in adherence to laws.
>>
>> As the levels rise further people become self actualizing
>> and begin to explore freedom as a state of being without limits.
>>
>> Some researchers think that the relative levels are genetically
>> determined and others that they are the result of diet which
>> might be a result of cultural or ethnic influence.
>>
>> Maybe there is something to this, maybe not, but current research
>> suggests that some entire cultures may be more comfortable with
>> security in adherence to laws while others may be more comfortable
>> with freedom as a state of being without limits, with the limits
>> defined as the behavior that the laws are made to inhibit.
>
>And so, we fall into the Northern/Southern schism. Ol' Nietzsche's
>Apollonian vs Dionysian cultures. The fight, the pull, and in this
>country the conflict of White and Black, and the arguments of who
>builds the better society.
Exactly. I think of it as wolves and sheep. If you are a wolf
preying on sheep seems entirely natural...it would be unthinkable
for a wolf to pay a lot of attention if the sheep make laws
that say wolves are not allowed to eat mutton.
A woman may be able to get a man to choose hamburger over
steak but if one little piggy tells another to eat pork
it takes a very big dog to make the wolf back off.
Clearly we share a love of reading.
When it comes to courtesans and temple prostitutes,
going back to the time when god was a woman
there is the concept of purification coming from
the Kodesh Quadesha of Kadesh, the holy women
of the high place purified you at the bamaat
by baptising you in the source of the water.
In the Souk as in the Agora blood was considered
medicinal and menstrual blood magical both as
blessing and curse. Fish were the Christians
symbol of sacrifice. They were the ones who
passed the laws that said the wolves should
be taught to pray for their daily bread and
leave the shepherds flocks alone
>
>Vast fortunes could be squandered and regained
>in Greece because the essentials would always
>be given. As long as the bulls were
>sacrificed on schedule, then luxuries and
>vices were enjoyed whether a little or a lot.
>Overindulgence in luxuries (like prostitutes
>or fishcakes) was handled with jest and
>derision and considered a sign of the cycles
>of wealth which were fluid, never stable. But
>the bull, and other sacrifices, allowed for
>all this freedom.
>
>I'm still thinking about Tony as the Fatted
>Calf, and whether his "execution" will be
>obligatory. The Fortunate Son might end up
>having to hold up the world.
I'm not sure Tony is into Greek in the same way Ralphy was.
I don't expect he is going to bend over and let somebody
tell him what his end is going to be. I think he is going
to walk down the hill and fuck them all.
That's why we worship bulls,
as Furio has already discovered
they are hard to push around.
No matter how arcane or obscure the reference,
or how important the part is that I neglect to mention,
when I look around to see where you are with it,
I generally find you are already loping along ahead of me.
This is what ties in the secret societies among the Lombards and in Tuscany
with your earlier mention of the Etruscians, my mention of the Cathars and
the birth of the Mafia in Sicily and Naples.
Despite that the Albigensian crusade preached c 1209 had failed
to remove the belief in dualism from southern France, many Cathars and
Albigensians were forced to flee to other lands while the establishment
of the French Angevin Dynasty in Italy in 1268 gave the Papacy some hope
that it could eventually suceed despite that its territory had been
reduced to the immediate neighborhood of the Tiber.
In 1282 the island of Sicily rebelled. Between 1283 and 1302 the Papacy
launched a number of crusades to restore Angevin rule in Sicily, but the
sea power of Aragon (the kingdom bordering the Pyranees which contained
Montallou and Andorra) was too great so now with Italy insecure the papacy
moved to Poitiers before moving to Avignon in 1309.
Frederic II's possessions of Burgundy, Piedmont, Lombardy, Veneto
and Tuscany along with the Kingdom of Sicily which at one point
controlled all of southern Italy as far north as the outskirts of
Spoleto and Fermo (both north of Rome) was about the same territory
as that taken by the Tyrians opposed by Latinus.
Meanwhile the Inquisiton picked up where the crusaders had left off
and one of the last strongholds the French village of Montaillou in the Pyranees
was investigated by the Inquisitor Jacques Fournier from 1318 to 1325
Commentors on the crusades of the Papacy had a lot in common
with Tony and the other capos after Uncle Junior became boss.
"Trecherous Rome, avarice leads you astray so that you
shear too much wool from your sheep"
Guilheim Figuiera on the Fourth Crusade 1227-1229
"God is not pleased with a forced service"
Ralph Niger, "De Ri Militari" 1187-1188
>
>> http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art15.htm
>> Count Alessandro di Cagliostro
>> Real Name: Guiseppe Balsamo
>> Place of Birth: Palermo, Sicily, Italy
>> Affiliations: the Brothers of Mercy, a proto-Mafia established in 1640
>> by Andrea Vitelli, a.k.a. Bel Demonio (Beautiful Demon)
>> Known Relatives: Lorenza Feliciani (wife, deceased),
>> Josephine Tascher de la Pagerie (daughter, future wife of Napoleon)
>> Extent of Education: Studied sorcery and alchemy
>>
>> http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/holy_smoke_mirrors.htm
>
>Oh dear. I was wondering when Opus Dei would
>make and appearance here. Robert Hanson and
>Louis Freeh are members, doncha know. For all
>the mystery, integrity, and self flagellation,
>I don't think the organization is having it's
>intended effect on the world. Might as well
>be divining the future from the entrails of an
>ass or painting their bodies blue for the
>holidays. At least there would be some
>catharsis in that.
>
>I haven't seen a mention of Octopus in years,
>wow.
I wanted to do something with Tony's "Holy Shit" comment
and figured "Holy Smoke" would do for starters
Opus Dei is of course an entirely innocent catholic organization
that dating back to 1928 advocates virtues such as loyalty, secrecy,
daring, and being proactive in good causes. I think it was the Regan
administration when the rumours first began circulating about links
to the FBI and international spy rings,and being a little too proactive
in some not so good causes, but certainly you can't link people as
memebrs of secret crime families just because they go
to the same schools and churches.
>> Essentially its the story of the Grand Masters of the Old Military Orders.
>> As the orders of the Tempars and Hospitalers became rich through old
>> traditions of pilage, plunder and piracy using the crusades against
>> evil doers and muslims as cover, there came to be a growing interest
>> in a new world order among the illuminati of the Teutonic Knights.
>>
>> In 1776 the illuminati were formed and their symbols became
>> incorporated in the Great Seal of the United States
>>
>> In 1792 the French national Assembly confiscated the last
>> of the Hospitals estates.
>>
>> In 1798 The Last of the Old Military Orders was detached from Malta
>> by Napoleon.
>>
>> After that their remenants began emigrating to the United States
>> as the Mafia.
>>
>> http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=P2
>
>This page wouldn't open for me.
You have to use the secret password...
strip it down to http://www.everything2
then search for p2 you get
http://www.everything2/index.pl
click on that; you get
>> A secret society within the Grand Orient Lodge of Egyptian Freemasonry.
>> Organized by Licio Gelli as part of the CIA's Gladio operation.
>>
>> They were convicted of engineering the Vatican Banking Scandal of the 1970s
>> (alluded to in The Godfather part 3), several terrorist bombings,
>> and the highjacking of a Bavarian train in 1980.
>>
>> This conspiracy used the Banco Ambrosiano and Vatican Bank
>> in order to launder money and commit various acts of fraud
>> in order to pull off a fascist coup in Italy
>> (which suited the CIA just fine, as they considered anything
>> better than Communists, even fascists.
>>
>> Especially fascists--why? one man: General Reinhard Gehlen--
>> Hitler's chief of Soviet Intelligence and post-war organizer of the CIA).
>
>For all the good it did us.
>
>> From: http://freemasonry.bc.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry01.html
>
>Interesting stuff, but it looks like the
>Masons are past their prime in influence and
>objective.
Long past, but still interesting because the same organizational scheme
is still in use as a model by other secret societies. Its like anything else,
by the time it makes it to the print media, its already a dead link and
off doing something else.
Take for example the Boston Bulgers. (am I my brothers keeper)
FBI Director Louis J. Freeh said, "The FBI is committed to
dismantling continuing criminal enterprises such as that
operated by James "Whitey" Bulger."
Whitey has been No 1 on the charts with a bullet for
as far back as anyone can remember.
While the Winter Hill Gangs reduced to making money for
the Boston Globe and the Herald, Bills invited to the hill
to talk to a Republican administration he refuses to tell
the gospel truth about his brother James. Actually a more
interesting story is probably his involvement as a boy
with certain catholic priests...
Then there is the whole James Connolly thing.
"John Connolly grew up in the South Boston housing projects
a few doors down from the Bulger family. He formed a fast
friendship with Billy Bulger, and admired Billy's mysterious
and mischievious older brother, "Whitey." By the mid-1970s,
Connolly was an up-and-coming FBI agent eager to make his mark
in the agency's Boston office. Bulger, meanwhile, was climbing
the ranks of the city's underworld and looking to expand his power.
In 1975, the old Southie acquaintances formed a partnership
from which both would benefit.
Connolly persuaded Bulger to sign on as an informant,
a coup that soon made Connolly a star within the FBI.
The agency valued high-level snitches, and in the Boston
office there were none more highly placed than "Whitey" Bulger.
Working on tips from Bulger and his partner, Stephen Flemmi,
the FBI began dismantling the Irish mob's chief rivals,
the Italian Mafia, paving the way for Bulger's ascendancy.
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/whitey/globe_stories/1988_the_bulger_mystique_part_1.htm
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/342/metro/Bulger_s_advice_to_brother_at_issue+.shtml
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/bulger.htm
http://boston.fbi.gov/greig.htm
>
>bel
>> >bel
with great respect,
steve
CliffB
whi...@shore.net wrote on 12/8/02 1:35 PM:
Steve, a question:
Do you really think Chase and his (glorified) writing crew are actually
aware of and using these typologies which you have virtuosically
reconstructed? Or do you present these models in a heuristic way, as an aid
to working through the various metaphors in their independent symbolic
pregnancy?
I find that they work on the level of my second option, and yield pleasure
in proportion to the reader's efforts made to build out these literary
edifices around the show. I'm not as convinced that Chase & Co. are working
this hard though to construct a work of art that finds some immortality in
the history of artistic tradition, as layed out by T.S. (Tony Soprano?)
Eliot.
Another critical method to apply would be the Frankfurt School's, Benjamin's
critique of historicity. The Sopranos is a postmodern Capitalist
construction after all, with its own blind spots and faux-valorizations,
especially as seen in the latest attitudes of its constructors, actors, and
recipients.
"What Lukács identifies as the deadening imprint of the commodity system
onto the collective consciousness becomes for Benjamin a point of departure
for disclosing the traces of this system as they are embedded at every level
of the social complex, extending to the most diverse forms of social
practices and artistic formations. .......
......Benjamin's point of departure is to undertake a reading of this
"blindness" of the social collective, to treat it as a materialist
hieroglyphic or physiognomic that is susceptible to a measure of
elucidation. "The element that endows commodity with its fetishist
character," he writes, "is the commodity-producing society itself, but not
such as it is in itself but rather such as it continually conceives itself
and believes itself to be when it suspends [abstrahiert] the fact that it
actually produces commodities"
It's been awhile since I once studied this stuff...a little cloudy on it, so
I lifted that from
http://muse.jhu.edu.muse.resources.apu.edu/journals/mln/v114/114.5gelley.htm
l
Here is a decent, not overlong overview of some of Benjamin's ideas in the
debate on aesthetic reception, for those so inclined to the abstract:
http://www.megawords.net/definitions.php
John McGuirk
"steve" <whi...@shore.net> wrote in message
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tique_part_1.htm
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http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/342/metro/Bulger_s_advice_to_brother_at_is
> http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/bulger.htm
> http://boston.fbi.gov/greig.htm
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> >
> >bel
>
> >> >bel
>
> with great respect,
>
> steve
>
I disagree.
steve
>
>in article WhMI9.4203$VA5.5...@news1.news.adelphia.net, steve at
>whi...@shore.net wrote on 12/8/02 1:35 PM:
>
>
>Steve, a question:
>
>Do you really think Chase and his (glorified) writing crew are actually
>aware of and using these typologies which you have virtuosically
>reconstructed?
I think I may have picked up a few of their references
There are probably many more I completely missed.
Certainly a reference to La Infanta De Grazia
a countess from the Pyranees and a second reference
to The Man of La Mancha could stop with Don Quixote
Some of the stuff is so overlapped and interwoven
its difficult to know where to stop.
For example if the painting of the boatman is a reference
to Charon preparing to take you across the styx as bel suggested,
then that refers back to Dante who mentions four of the five rivers
surrounding Hades. That in turn spins off to gods of the underworld,
bosses of the underworld, etc;
>Or do you present these models in a heuristic way, as an aid
>to working through the various metaphors in their independent symbolic
>pregnancy?
I see them as phenomenological so all that is required is to
state what I see and give it a caption.
>I find that they work on the level of my second option, and yield pleasure
>in proportion to the reader's efforts made to build out these literary
>edifices around the show. I'm not as convinced that Chase & Co. are working
>this hard though to construct a work of art that finds some immortality in
>the history of artistic tradition, as layed out by T.S. (Tony Soprano?)
>Eliot.
Most of them are clearly the work of the writers.
And often its other people that pick them up for example
The FBI guys working on the locks when the FBI wiretaped the lamp
were Wilson and Pickett. I didn't get that, somebody else did
They are inside jokes and they do yield some pleasure if you get them
(Tracy wiretaping the cop with her braces while Ralph in turn tailed her)
was forshadowed by an anagram which you were tipped off to By Uncle Juniors
comment "What am I, talking in anagrams here?"
I think the tradition is Shakespearean. If thats true three centuries from now
people may still be analyzing what they saw and what it all meant.
>Another critical method to apply would be the Frankfurt School's, Benjamin's
>critique of historicity. The Sopranos is a postmodern Capitalist
>construction after all, with its own blind spots and faux-valorizations,
>especially as seen in the latest attitudes of its constructors, actors, and
>recipients.
Some things are timeless. I think the range of mythos involved kind of takes
it and its referents outside of our own particular time and space.
For example "the advice of fathers to sons" and "the debate of silver and copper"
go back millenia. The Sopranos isn't shy about tipping you off, they usually
repeat any given reference to try and make sure that you got it.
>
>"What Lukács identifies as the deadening imprint of the commodity system
>onto the collective consciousness becomes for Benjamin a point of departure
>for disclosing the traces of this system as they are embedded at every level
>of the social complex, extending to the most diverse forms of social
>practices and artistic formations. .......
Think of it in terms of "We are the Romans" or "The men in the Soprano family
are still living in the 13th century". The common law imprint of the
commodity system goes back millenia to the point where social stratification
was first collectively imprinted along with ideas of property by people
like Narmer and the Scorpion King.
The first big men, lugals, bosses and kings were mobsters.
They figured that if you got your men to dig ditches to irrigate the land
then by controlling the water you controlled the land and could give the
use of the land to people in return for their service to you.
Six millenia later Tony and Carmine are still giving their made guys
territory in return for their lyalty and service and a cut of the action.
Now as to whether or not the traces of this system are imbedded at every
level of the social complex, think about it in terms of where our values
and attitudes, norms and mores, likes and dislikes and sense of
what is right and proper developed.
Clearly they do extend to many diverse forms of social interaction
including how we relate to our friends and family, our boss and
our government.
>
>......Benjamin's point of departure is to undertake a reading of this
>"blindness" of the social collective, to treat it as a materialist
>hieroglyphic or physiognomic that is susceptible to a measure of
>elucidation.
That blindness of the social collective isn't just dialectical materialism
focused on the means of production anymore. In our society it pervades
the media to the point where the message is being propagated to us every
waking moment and its very hard not to absorb it by osmosis.
I like the phrase materialist hieroglyphic which suggests its an instantly
recognizable universal symbolism that we respond to unconciously without ellucidation
>"The element that endows commodity with its fetishist character," he writes,
>"is the commodity-producing society itself, but not
>such as it is in itself but rather such as it continually conceives itself
>and believes itself to be when it suspends [abstrahiert] the fact that it
>actually produces commodities"
Maybe a simpler way to put that would be a phrase we often hear,
"What's in it for me?" For those who profit from the no show no work society
reward has nothing to do with the means of production, or an exchange of goods
some people have the right to take taxes and tithes or a cut of the action
even if they give you nothing in return except a promise of security in
return for adherence to laws.
>
>It's been awhile since I once studied this stuff...a little cloudy on it, so
>I lifted that from
>
>http://muse.jhu.edu.muse.resources.apu.edu/journals/mln/v114/114.5gelley.htm
>l
>
>Here is a decent, not overlong overview of some of Benjamin's ideas in the
>debate on aesthetic reception, for those so inclined to the abstract:
>
>http://www.megawords.net/definitions.php
Thank you for the cites I will go check them out.
let me know what you think about the Bulger Brothers.
>
>> In article <MPG.185cbbbc6...@news-server.carolina.rr.com>,
>> avian...@yahoo.com says...
...
>> ...the Boston Bulgers. (am I my brothers keeper)
...
>>
>> Then there is the whole James Connolly thing.
>>
...
>> with great respect,
>>
>> steve
regards,
steve
Liam Devlin
>>"What Lukács identifies as the deadening imprint of the commodity system
>>onto the collective consciousness becomes for Benjamin a point of departure
>>for disclosing the traces of this system as they are embedded at every level
>>of the social complex, extending to the most diverse forms of social
>>practices and artistic formations. .......
>
> Think of it in terms of "We are the Romans" or "The men in the Soprano family
> are still living in the 13th century". The common law imprint of the
> commodity system goes back millenia to the point where social stratification
> was first collectively imprinted along with ideas of property by people
> like Narmer and the Scorpion King.
>
> The first big men, lugals, bosses and kings were mobsters.
I've always thought the first truly big men were priests? It's truly a
great racket.
steve
What's the difference ? Priests, big men, lugals, bosses and kings
all have their toadies, mobs, legions, gangs, or armies of enforcers,
use threats of violence or war to coerce people to accept their protection,
tax the people who accept their protection or demand service in return for territory
have oaths of alliegence, vows of loyalty, rules about confidentiality or silence,
execute traitors, promise freedom but deliver security in adherence to laws.
Most of us couldn't live without the things social stratification,
the commodity system, the common law and the rackets provide us.
regards,
steve
John McGuirk
"Liam Devlin" <Li...@optonline.NOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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My priest was a big man and I still have trouble sitting down to this day.
Liam Devlin
Um, thanks for sharing.