Last scene...the goat
The Magnificent Bastard
nugget of wisdom:
> What was the significance of the goat coming into the horse stall with Tony
> at the end?
Probably something satanic. Goats always lead to some sort of satanic ritual.
> What was a goat doing at a racetrack stable
Maybe you should clean out your ears. It was expressly stated that goats are
kept around as "company" for the horses.
> and why did Tony smile?
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Jimbo
Pappy
Josie P and Scorpio
>smile?
Tony noticed the goat earlier in the episode and was admonished not to go near
it because it "bucks" or something to that effect. My guess is he was happy to
see it come in peacefully. I liked that last scene.
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jo-jo
wrote:
>What was the significance of the goat coming into the horse stall with Tony
>at the end? What was a goat doing at a racetrack stable and why did Tony
>smile?
>
did you watch ther episode? or just the end?
Jayne Doe
car saleswoman next week.
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enough. No matter how often you go out and rob and fuck people over you
always need to get up and do it all again.
Rob Jacobs
"Jimbo" <hllyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> What was the significance of the goat coming into the horse stall with
Tony
> at the end? What was a goat doing at a racetrack stable and why did Tony
> smile?
The goat is there to provide companionship to the horse. Tony smiled
because the goat and the horse gave him some vendication to find meaning in
the hopeless despair of his existance. I think.
Rob
Jimbo
at the end? What was a goat doing at a racetrack stable and why did Tony
smile?
KimStar
"Josie P and Scorpio wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
> > What was a goat doing at a racetrack stable and why did Tony
> >smile?
> Tony noticed the goat earlier in the episode and was admonished not to go
near
> it because it "bucks" or something to that effect. My guess is he was
happy to
> see it come in peacefully. I liked that last scene.
Oh me too! Great, great scene! Loved the cowboy music w/ it too!
I remember when my son was really little taking him to a petting zoo near
our house. There was a goat pen. I pushed his stroller inside and the goats
came up and surrounded us. There was spit up formula stains and stuff on the
stroller and the goats began sniffing, then licking the stains, and then
fighting over them. Disgusting! I forgot there was a cookie in the pocket of
my jacket and a big goat caught the scent and tried stuffing its nose in the
pocket. He started pushing against me really hard w/ his head.
I decided it was time to make a fast getaway, but it was really tough
pushing the stroller over the mound of wood chips lining the pen and the
goats swirled around us in a frenzy and I couldn't get the gate open w/o
releasing the goats. I started shouting for help and the one goat that
wanted the cookie began butting his head into my leg. I thought we'd be
killed by a herd of crazed goats, LOL!
Luckily, some kid who worked there ran up and rescued us. The next time we
came by, the pen was closed off for entry and visitors were only allowed to
pet the goats through the wire fence.
I liked the scene w/ Tony and the horse and the goat. But I couldn't help
but think of my visit to the petting zoo years ago, when my baby and I were
almost devoured by goats. They can be nasty critters.
KimStar
Patrick
NealG58417
animals around to keep the horses company.
My guess was that the goat came in to keep the horse company as the goat
probably knew the horse was sick. Tony smiled because animals were showing
more empathy than humans. (Junior-Bobby)
Neal
WILLIAM DAVIS
Some sort of mystical meaning for Tony ?
"Jimbo" <hllyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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lucretia
It's like the ducks - they're a substitute for his real family
(families), which he doesn't seem to be able to take care of very well
anymore.
lucretia
Robin Coutellier
> I remember when my son was really little taking him to a petting zoo near
> our house. There was a goat pen. I pushed his stroller inside and the goats
> came up and surrounded us. There was spit up formula stains and stuff on the
> stroller and the goats began sniffing, then licking the stains, and then
> fighting over them. Disgusting! I forgot there was a cookie in the pocket of
> my jacket and a big goat caught the scent and tried stuffing its nose in the
> pocket. He started pushing against me really hard w/ his head.
Heh, heh. That brought back petting zoo memories. One of the goats tried to chew
the button off my brand new WHITE sweater -- they're persistent little fuckers! I
was also followed across an entire zoo by a turkey who either wanted to have sex
with me or fight with me (due to my colorful autumn coat, no doubt) -- it kept
snorting and spreading it's tailfeathers. It became rather frightening when we
went into a long aviary and disovered the turkey was waiting for us on the other
side -- YIKES! One of the "best lines" of my life came from my then 6-yr-old:
"Mommy, that turkey's FOLLOWING us!"
BTW, Kim, does Memorex ring a bell for you (or bust a glass, as the case may be)?
Robin Coutellier
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Matt378
Did you also notice that that "cowboy music" was the song playing in that old
movie Tony was watching during the first episode of this season? Great
continuity there. I think that the underlying theme here is that Tony is
starting to wish for a less complicated, simple life.
KimStar
"Matt378 wrote:
No, I didn't make the connection w/ the song, but great pick-up, Matt! And
yes, marvelous continuity.
I agree w/ you too on the symbolism of the scene, and the music. There was
something comforting to Tony being in the stall w/ the sick horse, Tony
keeping vigil to see her through and the goat wandering in for company. This
in contrast to the freeze-out back at home, w/ the best he can do seemingly
never enough to get him back in w/ Carm.
The cowboy tune is perfect here, IMO...visualize the cowboy on the trial out
on the vast prairie, far from home, w/ only his rifle/gun and horse for
companions.
Beautiful stuff.
KimStar
KimStar
"Robin Coutellier wrote:
> Heh, heh. That brought back petting zoo memories. <snip> went into a
long aviary and >disovered the turkey was waiting for us on the other
> side -- YIKES! One of the "best lines" of my life came from my then
6-yr-old:
> "Mommy, that turkey's FOLLOWING us!"
ROFL! Great story! Yes, I've heard turkeys can be aggressive, nasty birds.
LOL!
> BTW, Kim, does Memorex ring a bell for you (or bust a glass, as the case
may be)?
Oh what?? Did I tell my petting zoo goat story before??
KimStar
Phoenix
will...@rcn.com says...
> Could the goat be similar to the ducks in Tomy's pond ?
> Some sort of mystical meaning for Tony ?
I think so. Notice that Tony didn't light up
his cigar when it seemed to upset the horse?
Does he show that kind of concern for his
wife?
Tony was the only one, besides Lois, who
touched the horse. And he's the only one who
had a deep visceral appreciation for her,
beyond her value as an investment or a racer.
And he didn't have to sit there with a sick
horse (in a manger!), it gave him a moment of
happiness though. And the goat didn't butt
him, adding to Tony's sense of peace.
Remember who else had this attachment to
animals?
Gloria.
bel - only complaint: why didn't they play
Which Way Did That Old Pony Run by Lyle Lovett
at the end? Much better song for the moment.
Mi28w
From: Phoenix avian...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, Oct 14, 2002 1:49 AM
Message-id: <MPG.181424dfb...@news-server.carolina.rr.com>
In article <aodejj$d53$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>,
will...@rcn.com says...
> Could the goat be similar to the ducks in Tomy's pond ?
> Some sort of mystical meaning for Tony ?
I think so. Notice that Tony didn't light up
his cigar when it seemed to upset the horse?
Does he show that kind of concern for his
wife?
Tony was the only one, besides Lois, who
touched the horse. And he's the only one who
had a deep visceral appreciation for her,
beyond her value as an investment or a racer.
And he didn't have to sit there with a sick
horse (in a manger!), it gave him a moment of
happiness though. And the goat didn't butt
him, adding to Tony's sense of peace. >>
Tony likes animals for the same reason I do: they don't have ulterior motives.
They are very upfront about what they want--there is no plotting or conniving.
And the same can't be said of humans, even those closest to us. We can't help
it...but the animals, they are damn close to being "pure."
Mytwo cents anyway...
---MJW
Montauk6
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John Doe
cooking it.
Hitman of Las Vegas
royughly speaking, "the one with horns" or "the goat."
So a man with "horns" put on his head has an unfaithful wife. He is
"the goat."
Maybe that's it.
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:25:04 -0500, "Jimbo" <hllyw...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>What was the significance of the goat coming into the horse stall with Tony
Travis Bickle
"Matt378" <mat...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I believe that was Dean Martin and Rick Nelson from the movie "Rio Bravo"
with John Wayne...
Defranco71
the Magi who comes, then there are goats, they are in a farmhouse thing...
Grizzman
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> The goat provides companionship for the horses when no one else is around.
no...that is McQueers and his bastard fag sons mother
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John Doherty
(Matt378) wrote:
It was "a" Dean Martin cowboy song. Are you sure it was the same one?
Totally different lyric this time.
In the previous Dino song, he was singing "As the sun slowly sinks in the
west..." as Christopher nodded off to junk, in a clever overlap of the
audio from the next scene, as Tony watches the old western on TV.
also note they only showed Dean himself on the tube, playing guitar &
singing, and this song had both Dean & Ricky Nelson duetting.
so I suspect it's a different Dean Martin cowboy tune, but it is meant to
refer to the earlier scene...
For definitive analysis of the catalog, I will defer to Dino completists;-)
JD
The Magnificent Bastard
of wisdom:
> I think it is a biblical reference. The sick horse is Virgin Mary, Tony is
> the Magi who comes, then there are goats, they are in a farmhouse thing...
You're retarded...
>
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Carvin DeMarek
wrote:
>Could the goat be similar to the ducks in Tomy's pond ?
>Some sort of mystical meaning for Tony ?
Tony like animals. Period. He's a ruthless crime boss with a soft spot
for animals. The way that scene was shot, with the rain pouring down,
the single light above the lying horse...better than any murder or
Bada Bing boob shot.
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Robin Coutellier
> > BTW, Kim, does Memorex ring a bell for you (or bust a glass, as the case
> may be)?
>
> Oh what?? Did I tell my petting zoo goat story before??
>
> KimStar
I worked at Memorex in Santa Clara, CA, in the late 70s and one of my co-workers
was a beautiful and memorable woman (more of a girl, really) named Kimberly Starr.
I was just wondering if you might be the same person (or knew the same goat)
:-)
John McGuirk
"Grizzman" <grizzma...@gci.net> wrote in message
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speaking of goats, yours is in fine health and doing great. He does not miss
you and says he is glad to be removed from the daily sodomy sessions and
cold climes of your Alaskan apartment.
Grizzman
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not mine....we BBQ goats where i come from
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Shammie
Goats make pretty good goat cheese. Well, really the only one I like is Feta,
but I think that's make from sheep milk. Are goats and sheep related?
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As far as Grizzly McAssface is concerned? Yes. Yes they are.
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Shammie
I wrote
>> Goats make pretty good goat cheese. Well, really the only one I like is
>Feta,
>> but I think that's make from sheep milk. Are goats and sheep related?
>
>As far as Grizzly McAssface is concerned? Yes. Yes they are.
Who's that, a new tv show? I haven't been paying attention. Is it on HBO?
Shammie
>> Goats make pretty good goat cheese. Well, really the only one I like is
>Feta,
>> but I think that's make from sheep milk. Are goats and sheep related?
>
>
>i believe they are
I'm pretty sure they're both Greek. Well, I know that feta cheese is.
Grizzman
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Grizzman
OMG... a greek sheep or goat....i can see and hear the cross posting now!!!
but seriously, Feta is a Greek type of cheese, asadaro is also a goat cheese
and use quit frequently in Mexico
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KimStar
"Robin Coutellier wrote:
> > > BTW, Kim, does Memorex ring a bell for you (or bust a glass, as the
case
> > may be)?
> > Oh what?? Did I tell my petting zoo goat story before??
> I worked at Memorex in Santa Clara, CA, in the late 70s and one of my
co-workers
> was a beautiful and memorable woman (more of a girl, really) named
Kimberly Starr.
> I was just wondering if you might be the same person (or knew the same
goat)
> :-)
Oh! I C! LOL! Nope, sorry. Not the same one. Never been in Santa Clara, and
never worked for Memorex (though I remember the commercials quite well ---
"Is it live, or is it Memorex?").
I'm kind of relieved! I've only been posting here a few weeks now. I was
thinking, how could it be I've told this story before? It's something of a
reassurance to hope my mind isn't going quite that fast! ;-)
KimStar
KimStar
Shammie wrote:
> Goats make pretty good goat cheese. Well, really the only one I like is
Feta,
Nope. Feta is goat cheese. And yes, goat cheese is scrumptuous. It's
considered haute cuisine by gourmets.
> Are goats and sheep related?
Other than both being in the bovine class, I don't think so.
KimStar
PA43
I think everyone has it wrong. It reminded me of Noah. Tony's inside a barn
that kinda looks like an ark, and it's raining like hell out. He's sitting
there with a horse and in walks a goat. He's wondering what the hell's gonna
walk in next.
Phoenix
CliffB
at avian...@yahoo.com wrote on 10/16/02 1:42 AM:
Tony's mating a horse and a goat?
JackBlackS...@work.com
wrote:
Or....maybe Tonys thinkin...
I'm gonna smoke my cigar and fuck this goat
Shadowbox
"WILLIAM DAVIS" <will...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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> Could the goat be similar to the ducks in Tomy's pond ?
> Some sort of mystical meaning for Tony ?
It could mean that Ralphie has Tony's goat; heck, he has him by the balls!
Tony *can't stand* Ralphie but loves the money he produces. So far, Tony
ordered a hit on Johnny and sent Ralph to sunny Florida for protection and a
tan, and now he's sleeping in a stable, apart from his wife, while Ralph
sleeps in a nice, warm bed with some unknown hoo-er. Who's got the better
deal?
Phoenix
fl...@gosympatico.ca>, fl...@gosympatico.ca
says...
Well, he does lack those (animal) husbandry
skills.
"Mate, already! Give me some good earners, I
got a family to feed and an uncle on trial for
his life! And don't give me dat fucking
economy excuse again, the Flood ain't dat bad!
And don't forget that glue factory up the
road where animals like you fellas disappear
everyday."
bel
>
>
David Chapple
> It could mean that Ralphie has Tony's goat; heck, he has him by the balls!
> Tony *can't stand* Ralphie but loves the money he produces. So far, Tony
> ordered a hit on Johnny and sent Ralph to sunny Florida for protection and
a
> tan, and now he's sleeping in a stable, apart from his wife, while Ralph
> sleeps in a nice, warm bed with some unknown hoo-er. Who's got the better
> deal?
>
>
>
I think it's a bit of forshadowing and symbolism.
Think about it. Tony is thinking of going on the lamb and he could consider
this a sign that his decision is the right one.
Tony is feeling lost and confused right now about what to do and he could be
subconciously looking for some kind of confirmation either way to get him to
take a certain path. The appearance of the lamb therefore could be the
"signpost" that will convince him that he should take the path of running.
That's what I though, anyway.
David
>
Liam Devlin
Not a lamb, it's a goat. BTW, people don't go "on the lamb", they go "on
the lam". "on the lamb" is what lonely shepherds do:-)
KimStar
"Liam Devlin wrote:
> Not a lamb, it's a goat. BTW, people don't go "on the lamb", they go "on
> the lam". "on the lamb" is what lonely shepherds do:-)
LOL! I was going to say the same. Also, since when is Tony thinking of going
on the lam? He hasn't thought about that since the Happy Traveler ep, has
he?
KimStar
Liam Devlin
heh, heh, great minds together, et al.
Rob Jacobs
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> "Jimbo" <hllyw...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:3daa3...@corp-goliath.newsgroups.com:
>
> > What was the significance of the goat coming into the horse stall
>
> A Judas Goat.
Is that something a Judas Priest would have?
Rob
Shadowbox
"David Chapple" <dac...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> > It could mean that Ralphie has Tony's goat; heck, he has him by the
balls!
> > Tony *can't stand* Ralphie but loves the money he produces. So far, Tony
> > ordered a hit on Johnny and sent Ralph to sunny Florida for protection
and
> a
> > tan, and now he's sleeping in a stable, apart from his wife, while Ralph
> > sleeps in a nice, warm bed with some unknown hoo-er. Who's got the
better
> > deal?
> >
> >
> >
>
> I think it's a bit of forshadowing and symbolism. Think about it. Tony is
decision is the right one.
> Tony is feeling lost and confused right now about what to do and he could
be
> subconciously looking for some kind of confirmation either way to get him
to
> take a certain path.
Goat, not lamb, however, I agree with the "path" assertion. Johnny and Tony
take two different paths in response to Ralphie's divisive tactics. Johnny
isn't influenced by Ralph's earning potential and remains committed to his
wife, even though she's deceived him. The money influences Tony, though, and
he runs straight from Carm's power play at home into Ralphie's power play at
work. Although Carm has yet to deceive him, Tony refuses to commit to the
trust fund because the divorce clause makes it seem risky. Instead, he
commits to Ralph, putting his faith in the most cunning and deceitful of
them all!
Montauk6
> As it was said earlier in the show, at a racetrack, there are often other
> animals around to keep the horses company.
>
> My guess was that the goat came in to keep the horse company as the goat
> probably knew the horse was sick. Tony smiled because animals were showing
> more empathy than humans. (Junior-Bobby)
>
> Neal
Well, even the vet who wouldn't doctor to the poor beast without some
cashola.
But this is yet ANOTHER counter to those naysayers who believe the
writers have too-short memories. This is clearly a recall of the
scene from Pax Soprana where Tony is ranting to Hesh that he envies
the horse's lifestyle--no pressures, no headaches, no Prozac. At that
point, he was dealing with the heaviness of the post-Jackie power
transition and making Jun the "lightning rod." Now, a few years later,
here he is at the top but he's still fascinated with the horse's
carefree lifestyle.
Liam Devlin
> nealg...@aol.com (NealG58417) wrote in message news:<20021013232130...@mb-mr.aol.com>...
>
>>As it was said earlier in the show, at a racetrack, there are often other
>>animals around to keep the horses company.
>>
>>My guess was that the goat came in to keep the horse company as the goat
>>probably knew the horse was sick. Tony smiled because animals were showing
>>more empathy than humans. (Junior-Bobby)
>>
>>Neal
>
> Well, even the vet who wouldn't doctor to the poor beast without some
> cashola.
But when Tony arrived with the cash, the vet had already given the horse
a shot & she was resting.
> But this is yet ANOTHER counter to those naysayers who believe the
> writers have too-short memories. This is clearly a recall of the
> scene from Pax Soprana where Tony is ranting to Hesh that he envies
> the horse's lifestyle--no pressures, no headaches, no Prozac. At that
> point, he was dealing with the heaviness of the post-Jackie power
> transition and making Jun the "lightning rod." Now, a few years later,
> here he is at the top but he's still fascinated with the horse's
> carefree lifestyle.
"WIN, or it's the glue factory for you!" is a carefree lifestyle? No thanks.