The Most Hypocritical Character: Carmella

Hoover1952

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Apr 9, 2001, 5:50:19 AM4/9/01

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Let's face it, this woman and others like her are hypocrites. They aren't
"accomplices", as Carmella likes to tell the new shrink, they're more like
"neighbors". Wives who "put dinner on the table" and make sure he has clean
underwear. She pretends she's clean and not responsible, but reaps the rewards
of Tony's deeds. In the end, she deserves to get whacked.

PrinceHalsChase

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Apr 9, 2001, 7:21:30 AM4/9/01

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>From: hoove...@aol.com (Hoover1952)

Exactly. Perfectly stated.

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BVendig

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Apr 9, 2001, 10:26:54 AM4/9/01

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I don't agree with this entirely but in some ways...it was funny when she
complained to her mother "i work for it..you get a free ride"...the truth is
Tony "works for it" and risks his like and liberty for it.
in many ways Carm gets a free ride..
but, the thing is that she lives in a house bought with "blood money"..she
drives a car bought with that money, she wants to donate $50K of that
money...but she still feels she's not really involved in it
of course she's an accomplice!!!
***

TawnyNY

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Apr 9, 2001, 10:51:07 AM4/9/01

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Not to split hairs, but I think she said " I earn it, you get a free pass."

head...@l.a.v.a.net

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Apr 9, 2001, 3:25:23 PM4/9/01

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Hoover1952 <hoove...@aol.com> wrote:
: Let's face it, this woman and others like her are hypocrites. They aren't

She knows she's not clean. She wouldn't be crying about it and
sleeping on the couch if it was not a problem. I think the 50,000
donation is a type of penance for the blood money. Carmela was neutral
on the donation until after the visit to the shrink. Just because she
didn't change doesn't mean she is pretending. She's compromising with
her ethics and has to fight against the guilt. She has accepted the
bad and doesn't want to give it up.

Gary Greenbaum

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Apr 9, 2001, 3:42:48 PM4/9/01

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TawnyNY wrote:

> Not to split hairs, but I think she said " I earn it, you get a free pass."
>
> >she complained to her mother "i work for it..you get a free ride"..

The reason she said that was that apparently their status as inlaws of
Tony Soprano cleared up zoning problems they were having. Apparently
Hugh is a developer or similar.

Gary Greenbaum

DASBABY932

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Apr 9, 2001, 10:21:01 PM4/9/01

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**She knows she's not clean. She wouldn't be crying about it and

sleeping on the couch if it was not a problem. I think the 50,000
donation is a type of penance for the blood money. Carmela was neutral

on the donation until after the visit to the shrink. ***

My take was, the shrink didn't let her equivocate. He wasn't like the priest,
letting her have it both ways (i.e., a view of herself as a moral person while
reaping the benefits of Tony's crimes). He simply told her she was tormented
by guilt and stress because, while living with Tony and off the profits of his
crime, she was his accomplice (i.e., guilty like Tony is guilty). He explained
this is why he wouldn't take her money, he doesn't take blood money. Carmella
is living off blood money. He is telling her, that's what you are doing, there
is no way to continue doing it and adhere to any kind of moral or ethical code.
If you want to do the right thing, you have one choice - leave your husband
AND don't take another dime from him.

Carmella has spent her whole time on the Sopranos going to church, making a
religion of the nucleur (sp?) family (it drives me crazy when she does, it's
so self-serving, i.e., justifying the life she lives.) All this time she has
been living on Tony's blood money while taking the moral high road with him.
Well, as long as she takes his money, there is no moral high ground for her,
that's what the shrink made her face.

She tried the family card (this is her excuse for staying, living in the big
house and not being morally compromised) "We Catholics see the family as
sacred." Sorry Carmella. He basically told her, no, there's no conundrum
here. There's no balance to be struck. This is black and white. If you want
to be a moral person, redeemed, relieve your guilt, you have to get out, and
give up the money, including child support.

Basically, the shrink, unlike her priest, told her if she stayed with Tony
under any circumstances, while Tony continued in the Mafia, Carmella was
damned.

And what I think is, Carmella can't/won't leave, but her self-justification and
rationale has been ripped from her. So I think she's making Tony pay for her
soul, so to speak. Fine, I'm going to hell. I want 50,000 then for my kid's
college, and I want my name on the door. If I'm going to go to hell, then I
better be selling my soul for something big time.

RJMovieMan

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Apr 9, 2001, 10:31:37 PM4/9/01

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Dasbaby932 wrote:....

And what I think is, Carmella can't/won't leave, but her self-justification
>and
>rationale has been ripped from her. So I think she's making Tony pay for her
>soul, so to speak. Fine, I'm going to hell. I want 50,000 then for my kid's
>college, and I want my name on the door. If I'm going to go to hell, then I
>better be selling my soul for something big time.

WOW! I enjoyed reading your analysis of the character of Carmella portrayed
brilliantly by Edie Falco.

I also like how you integrated the Catholic church's view (as a whole) and its
views on redemption, etc. into your review of Carmella and her actions and
feelings.

Thanks for the good read.

RJ

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"everything about life is funny" - monica seles

RCLOVELY

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Apr 10, 2001, 12:29:53 AM4/10/01

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>
>Carmella has spent her whole time on the Sopranos going to church, making a
>religion of the nucleur (sp?) family (it drives me crazy when she does, it's
>so self-serving, i.e., justifying the life she live

Unfortunately, you don't understand how Carmella was raised. She, like me, was
a good Catholic girl. Sent to a good Catholic School and taught by Nuns. If
we didn't have a Vocation to the Religous Life (and we should all pray for one)
then we were ment to be Wives and Mothers. We were to be virgins on our
wedding night (AND SEX WAS FOR THE PROCREATION OF CHILDREDN ONLY), our famlies
were to come first before anything,Our husbands were the head of the home, the
bread winner who needed our support and comfort. We were the heart of the home,
providing a safe haven from the cares of the world and giving him all our
support. As well as loving, caring and being involved with our children, we
were to be their moral guide teaching them to know, love and serve God. What
we wanted or needed came last, or we were to sacrafice our needs for the good
of our famlies. If we did all this, kept an immaculate house, and cooked like
a professional chef, we would have the love and respect of our family and live
happly ever after.

For almost twenty years, Carmella did this. What it got her was a daughter who
treats her like a free lunch counter and laundry, a son who is only interested
in Nentendo and a husand who would rather spend his time with hookers than her.
No wonder the woman is depresed.

RC

Shammie

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Apr 10, 2001, 12:46:08 AM4/10/01

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>From: rclo...@aol.com (RCLOVELY)

>we were to sacrafice our needs for the good
>of our famlies. If we did all this, kept an immaculate house, and cooked
>like
>a professional chef, we would have the love and respect of our family and
>live
>happly ever after.
>
>For almost twenty years, Carmella did this. What it got her was a daughter
>who
>treats her like a free lunch counter and laundry, a son who is only
>interested
>in Nentendo and a husand who would rather spend his time with hookers than
>her.
> No wonder the woman is depresed.

Good grief, she should have made it with the wallpaper guy.

RCLOVELY

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Apr 10, 2001, 1:44:10 AM4/10/01

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>Good grief, she should have made it with the wallpaper guy.
>

Damn Right!

RC

DASBABY932

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Apr 10, 2001, 2:18:45 AM4/10/01

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**Unfortunately, you don't understand how Carmella was raised. She, like me,

was
a good Catholic girl. Sent to a good Catholic School and taught by Nuns. If
we didn't have a Vocation to the Religous Life (and we should all pray for one)

then we were ment to be Wives and Mothers.***

Actually, I completely understand how Carmella was raised since you aren't the
only Catholic posting here. Can I one up you? Do you have a nun in your
family? :)

However, I think you are painting with too broad a brush - you are describing
girls who are secluded and cloistered and indoctrinated, not the zillion
Catholic girls I know who smoked in the bathrooms, were the wildest girls in
the city (and I'm talking about all girls Catholic high schools with good
academic and artistic reputations and nuns on the staff), etc. etc., went on to
get college and graduate degrees and have careers. Catholic education does not
= parochialized brainwashing as literally as you put it, and quite a few
Catholic girls I know were raised AND educated AND encouraged (BY Catholic
religious yet) to get a good education and a career. We're talking a range of
religious orders from the Mercy sisters to the Dominicans to Notre Dame to St.
Josephs, and throw in some Jesuits for the guys.

The generation you are describing (praying for a vocation, etc.) sounds like
my grandmother's. My mother also had the complete Catholic education and what
you describe sounds anachronistic, based on my experience, which is, I think,
as complete as yours. Of course what you describe shows up, but that's really
Catholic schools from the 50's where you can say that's how it is. That sure
isn't how it is/was for me and a zillion of my family members with the same
educational background (of course, we have a zillion OTHER problems with the
whole taught by nuns thing :)

Anyhow, Carmella is a graduate of Montclair State with a degree in business
administration, and my sense from this show is the more conflicted she becomes
the more she seeks refuge in piety as a shield against her own guilt. It's a
handy template to use for her.

NeeruhBoy

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Apr 10, 2001, 4:10:26 AM4/10/01

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Not sure if I can contibute...but.....I think there was a question about the
Catholic view of guilt/redemption....As much as I can remember the teachings of
the church are that if a person is TRULY sorry for thier sins and asks God for
forgivness salvation can be acheived. Someone hit me with a wafer if I'm
wrong.

KJPBarr

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Apr 10, 2001, 5:48:15 AM4/10/01

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Carmella won't leave because she loves the money, cars, house, etc. She's just
a hypocrite and as bad as Tony.

Hoover1952

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Apr 10, 2001, 5:57:03 AM4/10/01

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All of this talk about Catholic schoolgirls in their uniforms is making me
horny. You women Soprano fans have pix?

Apr 11, 2001, 2:45:44 AM4/11/01

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She would have, too, except he was in Teaneck (or some other town). Vic
decided he liked his gonads right where they were.

LiamD

Liam Devlin

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Apr 11, 2001, 2:42:37 AM4/11/01

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Very good summary. I was really struck by the juxtaposition of Carm's
visit to Dr. Krakower and insisting she understood about the blood money
with the scene with Tony & the couch, copping the $50k. Wasn't this
essentially the same speech she gave last year about making her trip to
Rome with Rosalie Aprile (except no mention of suicide this year)?
Certainly the same setup & delivery, i.e., "See, Tony, this is the way
it's going to be and this is what you're going to do".

LiamD

Liam Devlin

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Apr 11, 2001, 2:48:00 AM4/11/01

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Hoover1952 wrote:
>
> All of this talk about Catholic schoolgirls in their uniforms is making me
> horny. You women Soprano fans have pix?

You're the one who brought up uniforms, Hoover, you top posting pervert.

LiamD <G>

wildearth

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Apr 11, 2001, 3:29:33 AM4/11/01

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"Liam Devlin" <Lia...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3AD3FCBA...@optonline.net...
> DASBABY932 wrote:
>

>If I'm going to go to hell, then I
> > better be selling my soul for something big time.
>
> Very good summary.

Yep. Carmela is buying her immortality (name on building) with blood money.

WildE

Shammie

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Apr 11, 2001, 11:05:59 AM4/11/01

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>From: Liam Devlin

>> Good grief, she should have made it with the wallpaper guy.
>
>She would have, too, except he was in Teaneck (or some other town). Vic
>decided he liked his gonads right where they were.

True. Do you think that when she went to see him in his shop, ostensibly to
"thank" him for not having come over "for lunch" that day, that she was still
really hoping for it, hoping he'd take the initiative?

Kind2dogs

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Apr 11, 2001, 11:08:17 AM4/11/01

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>Subject: Re: The Most Hypocritical Character: Carmella
>From: sham...@aol.comharemgrl (Shammie)
>Date: Wed, Apr 11, 2001 8:05 AM
>Message-id: <20010411110559...@ng-df1.aol.com>

Yup. However he had his tail between his legs...

The wimp he was...

Shammie

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Apr 11, 2001, 11:16:28 AM4/11/01

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>From: kind...@aol.com (Kind2dogs)

>Do you think that when she went to see him in his shop, ostensibly
>>to
>>"thank" him for not having come over "for lunch" that day, that she was
>>still
>>really hoping for it, hoping he'd take the initiative?
>
>Yup. However he had his tail between his legs...
>
>The wimp he was...

Yes! What a let-down, turn-off!

Liam Devlin

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Apr 11, 2001, 11:55:12 AM4/11/01

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Not exactly. By this point she'd reverted to her good Catholic/wife role
and was glad she hadn't given in to temptation ("get thee behind me,
Satan" - hey, not so close); but she still had the hots for Vic at a
more repressed level.

I had the impression she was trying to keep the lines of communication
open, as in, call me again in 6 months, Studly.

LiamD

Jeff George

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Apr 11, 2001, 3:39:22 PM4/11/01

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CupCaked wrote:

>
> rclo...@aol.com (RCLOVELY) wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Carmella has spent her whole time on the Sopranos going to church, making a
> >>religion of the nucleur (sp?) family (it drives me crazy when she does, it's
> >>so self-serving, i.e., justifying the life she live
> >
> >Unfortunately, you don't understand how Carmella was raised. She, like me, was
> >a good Catholic girl.
>

> What about all those good Catholic girls (like me) who grew up to
> basically renounce the Church and shy away from religion, so much so
> as to be virtual agnostics?
>
> It can happen either way.
> http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked
> (and leave off the "potatoes" to e-mail)

Those are my favorite type of Catholic girls. I like them so much that I
married one once.
--

Cheers!
Jeff George

TheCharlie

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Apr 11, 2001, 6:31:18 PM4/11/01

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sham...@aol.comharemgrl (Shammie) wrote:

perhaps before men send any signal to a woman that he might be
interested, he should ask THE most important question:

"So ... does your husband know anything about guns?"

Shammie

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Apr 11, 2001, 7:38:36 PM4/11/01

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>From: karen...@nac.net (CupCaked)

>>>Yup. However he had his tail between his legs...
>>>
>>>The wimp he was...
>>
>>Yes! What a let-down, turn-off!
>

>He wanted it, too, but he also wanted to live a bit longer. Most men
>would have done the same thing, self-preservation being a high
>motivator.

That's fine and understandable. What makes him a wimp is that he's the one who
came on to Carmela first, he found her attractive and gave her eye contact and
vibes. She followed suit. He started it then wimped out on finishing it. He
should have just kept it to himself from the beginning.

ctakim

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Apr 11, 2001, 10:59:43 PM4/11/01

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Actually, she said she went to Montclair state and studied Business
Administration, but she never said that she graduated. Remember Tony
went to Seton Hall for a semester and a half.

On 10 Apr 2001 06:18:45 GMT, dasba...@aol.com (DASBABY932) wrote:

>**Unfortunately, you don't understand how Carmella was raised. She, like me,
>was
>a good Catholic girl. Sent to a good Catholic School and taught by Nuns. If
>we didn't have a Vocation to the Religous Life (and we should all pray for one)
> then we were ment to be Wives and Mothers.***
>
>Actually, I completely understand how Carmella was raised since you aren't the
>only Catholic posting here. Can I one up you? Do you have a nun in your
>family? :)
>

>

>Anyhow, Carmella is a graduate of Montclair State with a degree in business
>administration, and my sense from this show is the more conflicted she becomes
>the more she seeks refuge in piety as a shield against her own guilt. It's a
>handy template to use for her.

Crackin' toast, Grommit! --Wallace

ctakim

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Apr 11, 2001, 10:59:45 PM4/11/01

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Okay, all in unison now, "You sound hot, what are you wearing?"

On 10 Apr 2001 09:57:03 GMT, hoove...@aol.com (Hoover1952) wrote:

>All of this talk about Catholic schoolgirls in their uniforms is making me
>horny. You women Soprano fans have pix?
>>

Crackin' toast, Grommit! --Wallace

Liam Devlin

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Apr 12, 2001, 12:32:22 AM4/12/01

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ctakim wrote:
>
> Actually, she said she went to Montclair state and studied Business
> Administration, but she never said that she graduated. Remember Tony
> went to Seton Hall for a semester and a half.

He went to Rutgers, but your point about Carmela is well taken. We don't
know that Carmela *ever* had a real job, so her joining the workforce
would be a monumental step for her (even if she weren't married to a
killer).

LiamD

Liam Devlin

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Apr 12, 2001, 12:33:13 AM4/12/01

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You know, you really *do* sound hot, ...

LiamD <VBG>

Kind2dogs

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Apr 12, 2001, 10:13:06 AM4/12/01

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>Subject: Re: The Most Hypocritical Character: Carmella

>From: karen...@nac.net (CupCaked)
>Date: Wed, Apr 11, 2001 2:47 PM
>Message-id: <3ae4d099...@news.nac.net>

>
>sham...@aol.comharemgrl (Shammie) wrote:
>
>>>From: kind...@aol.com (Kind2dogs)
>

>>>Yup. However he had his tail between his legs...
>>>
>>>The wimp he was...
>>
>>Yes! What a let-down, turn-off!
>
>He wanted it, too, but he also wanted to live a bit longer. Most men
>would have done the same thing, self-preservation being a high
>motivator.

Well that wouldn't have happened if it was me instead of C...

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Apr 12, 2001, 1:41:08 PM4/12/01

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Shammie wrote:
>
> >From: Liam Devlin
>
> >> "thank" him for not having come over "for lunch" that day, that she was
> >still
> >> really hoping for it, hoping he'd take the initiative?
>
> >Not exactly. By this point she'd reverted to her good Catholic/wife role
> >and was glad she hadn't given in to temptation ("get thee behind me,
> >Satan" - hey, not so close); but she still had the hots for Vic at a
> >more repressed level.
>
> Repressed?! I thought she was going to start drooling in a minute.

Which was a lower level of engagement from the powder room, when she
moaned & stuck her tongue down his throat. I think if she'd had the room
she'd have jumped him & wrapped her legs around him. (a "more" repressed
level, not a "completely" repressed level)

The more repressed level was in her mind - she saw herself again as the
good Catholic wife & mother, who might be free from an oppressive
marriage to a bad guy in the not too distant future.

Under the circumstances, Tony's being a murderer & all, does Carm have a
shot at an annulment?

> >I had the impression she was trying to keep the lines of communication
> >open, as in, call me again in 6 months, Studly.
>
> Or maybe it was enough for Carm just to know that other men still find her
> attractive and want her. Maybe that's all she was looking for and once she got
> that validation, to follow through was unnecessary.

Maybe, I'll certainly defer to the ladies on these kinds of issues.

LiamD

TheCharlie

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Apr 12, 2001, 1:36:13 PM4/12/01

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sham...@aol.comharemgrl (Shammie) wrote:

>>From: theCh...@erols.com (TheCharlie)
>
>>perhaps before men send any signal to a woman that he might be
>>interested, he should ask THE most important question:
>
>"What size shoe do you wear?" ?

Naah.. you can see a guy's shoes for yourself.

>> "So ... does your husband know anything about guns?"
>
>Oh. Well, didn't Wallpaper guy know exactly who Carmela's husband was right up
>front?

I don't think he was that well clued at first.

>And just how would a woman ask a man about his... gun? There's got to be a
>polite way, no?

I prefer the old "See where the horse bit me?" . but others may know
of a more polite way..

Kind2dogs

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Apr 12, 2001, 3:01:54 PM4/12/01

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>Subject: Re: The Most Hypocritical Character: Carmella

>From: Liam Devlin Lia...@optonline.net
>Date: Thu, Apr 12, 2001 10:41 AM
Shammie writes

Or maybe it was enough for Carm just to know that other men still find
>her
>> attractive and want her. Maybe that's all she was looking for and once
>she got
>> that validation, to follow through was unnecessary.
>
>Maybe, I'll certainly defer to the ladies on these kinds of issues.
>
>LiamD

Well being a female, I definitely have always liked it when people think I am
cute.
Of course they always do, so I never feel the need to get it on with the
painter.
Hey like someone once sdaid to me..
"Once a babe ALWAYS a babe.
; )

C has an inferiotity complex.
Look at how she was so impressed by the jerk from Columbia and wanteng to give
$ so she can be a big shot.
I see THAT a lot, especially if they are going to get thier name in print.

Woof!
>
>
>
>
>

Shammie

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Apr 13, 2001, 12:45:09 AM4/13/01

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>From: theCh...@erols.com (TheCharlie)

> didn't Wallpaper guy know exactly who Carmela's husband was right up
>>front?
>
>I don't think he was that well clued at first.

Didn't his sister tell him? I got the feeling that he did know and shrugged it
off.

RCLOVELY

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Apr 13, 2001, 1:45:23 AM4/13/01

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>Actually, she said she went to Montclair state and studied Business
>> Administration,

>Tony

>> went to Seton Hall for a semester and a half.
>

Ok folks, according to the official Sopranos book by Allen Rucker, Tony went to
Seaton Hall and dropped out. Carmella dropped out of Montclair State. They
maried young and had Meadow within a year.

RC

DJoz.

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Apr 11, 2001, 5:16:48 PM4/11/01

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wildearth <wild...@vathek.com> wrote in message
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But at the same time, at least it's blood money going to something
worthwhile, right? Right? I mean, when does "blood money" stop being
"blood money?" So it started at some kind of "good" source and then was
"tainted" somehow. I look at it as at least some kind of positive thing to
take the money and attempt to "force it back into the system" as it were...

-Oz

Liam Devlin

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Apr 13, 2001, 9:33:53 AM4/13/01

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My bad. I could have sworn he attended Rutgers, but Alan Rucker would
certainly know that better than I. I really can't see Tony in college
for three semesters. What did he do, menace or beat the crap out of any
instructor who didn't give him a passing grade?

Maybe: "English is a stupida subject", "There are worsea things thana
failing"?

LiamD

Liam Devlin

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Apr 13, 2001, 10:00:16 AM4/13/01

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"DJoz." wrote:
>
> wildearth <wild...@vathek.com> wrote in message
> news:9b10pk$n9v$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> >
> > "Liam Devlin" <Lia...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:3AD3FCBA...@optonline.net...
> > > DASBABY932 wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >If I'm going to go to hell, then I
> > > > better be selling my soul for something big time.
> > >
> > > Very good summary.
> >
> > Yep. Carmela is buying her immortality (name on building) with blood
> money.
>
> But at the same time, at least it's blood money going to something
> worthwhile, right? Right?

Yes, it's something worthwhile; but no, it's still blood money. That was
Dr. Krakower's point to Carmela. What you're thinking about here is what
a lot of gangsters try to do, especially as they get older, i.e., buy
their way out of their criminal pasts (or presents, even, think about
Paulie's regular contributions to his church and how pissed off he was
when he felt he wasn't getting any return on his investment last year).
Getting a billion dollars, say, by criminal means, then giving $50K,
$50M even, to charity doesn't atone for your criminal activities.

> I mean, when does "blood money" stop being "blood money?"

Maybe when it's passed on to a non-criminal organization/activity? It's
certainly blood money from Carmela's perspective because she understands
full well where it came from. I think it might lose the OC taint once
given to Columbia (or to any other institution).

I think you could also make a case that the money raised thru extortion,
aka "development", is tainted; but this is a new & different taint and
involves extortion, only. AFAIK Columbia & other such institutions don't
also deal drugs & perform contract killings in the normal course of
their business. I'm assuming the organizations getting these funds (from
OC people) don't know of their origin. If they do and the funds are
accepted anyway, then the money remains tainted.

Money might also be cleansed by passing thru a couple of generations of
innocent (blood) family members. You might say the fortunes amassed by
the "robber barons" of the latter part of the 19th & early part of the
20th centuries were tainted, but I think once they'd passed thru a
couple of generations they'd have lost the taint (providing, of course,
that the succeeding generations weren't also robber barons).

Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Did you sell indulgences in a past life?

LiamD

Shammie

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Apr 13, 2001, 12:20:44 PM4/13/01

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>From: theCh...@erols.com (TheCharlie)

>>Didn't his sister tell him? I got the feeling that he did know and shrugged
>it
>>off.
>

>It's been a while since I saw that episode, so I'm not really sure.
>But I seem to remember someone warning him and it gradually came to
>him that this move wasn't going to extend his lifeline any, so he
>chickened out.

As Vic and sister are walking to his truck, he says "Nice lady" and she says
Don't even think about it, she's married to Tony Soprano. Vic says something
like well married is good enough for me. It doesn't matter who she's married
to, I respect the wedding ring.

So I guess it's open to speculation by that whether he *did* know just who/what
Carm's husband was after all.

wildearth

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Apr 13, 2001, 12:49:55 PM4/13/01

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"DJoz." <DJWax...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:usBtSPrwAHA.369@cpmsnbbsa09...

Yeah, initially I thought that too. But if Carm wanted to do something good,
if she's the pious catholic she thinks she is, then she could have made a
$50G charitable contribution to any non-profit org. They would have thought
her a saint. Instead, she's chosen to sell her soul for the sake of ego by
immortalizing herself in stone at Columbia for $50G's. I think the old
shrink really put it in perspective and made her face the fact that she's no
saint--in fact, she's selfish and greedy at whatever the cost, just like her
husband.

WildE

Shammie

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Apr 13, 2001, 12:46:02 PM4/13/01

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>From: karen...@nac.net (BunnyCaked)

>You have a very good memory. I knew Vic knew, but I couldn't remember
>the specifics. You nailed the dialogue.
>

LOL! I'd love to cop credit for my memory, but I happened to be taping seaon
two for someone and that came up, so it *refreshed* my memory.
I had also forgotten the [obviously] erotic dream Carm was having after she met
Vic, where she's sort of writhing around moaning in her sleep.

Liam Devlin

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Apr 13, 2001, 5:15:16 PM4/13/01

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Oh, Honey, we all were.

LD <VBG>

DASBABY932

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Apr 13, 2001, 8:39:42 PM4/13/01

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**I think the old shrink really put it in perspective and made her face the

fact that she's no saint--in fact, she's selfish and greedy at whatever the

cost, just like her husband.**

I love the show and think both Tony and Carmella are terrific creations played
by great actors, but both characters are immoral. (and Tony is as hypocritical
as Carmella in his own way. Anyhow, being what he is is enough to damn him, so
to speak). Carmella is very materialistic. "I'm thinking of getting the
driveway repaved." "The kitchen is nice but could use work - a little marble,
some new fixtures." "Do you need clothes?" Well, the fact is, Carmella, all
of that is paid for with SOMEONE ELSE'S money. It's not yours. Morally, it is
stolen money she is spending. It's not Tony's. It's not hers. In some
instances it may not, literally, be blood money, but at root it is someone
else's and neither Tony nor Carmella have any right to it.

crack.org

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Apr 13, 2001, 9:01:21 PM4/13/01

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In article <3ad91bad...@news.erols.com>, theCh...@erols.com says...
>
> karen...@nac.net (CupCaked) wrote:

>
>>theCh...@erols.com (TheCharlie) wrote:
>>>
>>>I prefer the old "See where the horse bit me?" . but others may know
>>>of a more polite way..
>>

>>Okay, I'm not familiar with this one. Explain, please?
>
>How DO you explain that one? Anyone?

It's the same thing as "wanna see a one eared elephant?

regards,

lawless
>

Liam Devlin

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Apr 13, 2001, 10:35:03 PM4/13/01

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This was supposed to have had a "Spit Take" warning in the Subject line!

"One eared elephant" - never heard that one before.

LiamD

Shammie

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Apr 14, 2001, 10:52:03 AM4/14/01

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>From: Liam Devlin

>> I had also forgotten the [obviously] erotic dream Carm was having after she
>met
>> Vic, where she's sort of writhing around moaning in her sleep.
>
>Oh, Honey, we all were.

You lust after Vic too??

Torris

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Apr 14, 2001, 3:15:40 PM4/14/01

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On 09 Apr 2001 14:26:54 GMT, bve...@aol.com (BVendig) wrote:

>I don't agree with this entirely but in some ways...it was funny when she
>complained to her mother "i work for it..you get a free ride"...the truth is
>Tony "works for it" and risks his like and liberty for it.
>in many ways Carm gets a free ride..
>but, the thing is that she lives in a house bought with "blood money"..she
>drives a car bought with that money, she wants to donate $50K of that
>money...but she still feels she's not really involved in it
>of course she's an accomplice!!!

Of course Carmela jumped at the opportunity to give money to a
legitimate cause. It somehow "legitimizes" them as providers of good,
even if the source of that funding is from crime and extortion. And
I'm sure the Columbia dean knew that and by dangling that carrot of
"the good Soprano name on a plaque" with all the other mucky mucks, it
would be easy pickings. Carmela is a simp

Torris

"Rehab is for quitters"

Torris

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Apr 14, 2001, 3:18:09 PM4/14/01

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On 10 Apr 2001 04:46:08 GMT, sham...@aol.comharemgrl (Shammie) wrote:

>>From: rclo...@aol.com (RCLOVELY)
>
>>we were to sacrafice our needs for the good
>>of our famlies. If we did all this, kept an immaculate house, and cooked
>>like
>>a professional chef, we would have the love and respect of our family and
>>live
>>happly ever after.
>>
>>For almost twenty years, Carmella did this. What it got her was a daughter
>>who
>>treats her like a free lunch counter and laundry, a son who is only
>>interested
>>in Nentendo and a husand who would rather spend his time with hookers than
>>her.
>> No wonder the woman is depresed.
>
>Good grief, she should have made it with the wallpaper guy.

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Apr 15, 2001, 10:11:20 AM4/15/01

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>From: Liam Devlin

>> You lust after Vic too??
>
>I lived in Greenwich Village for 15 years,

Mmmmm, Balducci's...

so I can do both parts (don't
>*play* both parts, however)

What's the distinction between "do" and "play"?

>I'm sometimes tempted, when skimming the personals and seeing one from a
>woman who hopes to meet someone tall, handsome & rugged, to reply and
>say "Oh Honey, we all do"

LOL.
Well what're you doing here? Get thee over to the WHOM would you boff thread!

Liam Devlin

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Apr 15, 2001, 11:15:03 AM4/15/01

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Shammie wrote:
>
> >From: Liam Devlin
>
> >> You lust after Vic too??
> >
> >I lived in Greenwich Village for 15 years,
>
> Mmmmm, Balducci's...

Mmmmmm, Jefferson Market, too.

> so I can do both parts (don't
> >*play* both parts, however)
>
> What's the distinction between "do" and "play"?

"do" = speak both parts

"play" = participate in both roles

> >I'm sometimes tempted, when skimming the personals and seeing one from a
> >woman who hopes to meet someone tall, handsome & rugged, to reply and
> >say "Oh Honey, we all do"
>
> LOL.
> Well what're you doing here? Get thee over to the WHOM would you boff thread!

I'm a big fan of Bo Diddley, isn't it "Who Do You Love"?

LiamD

Shammie

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Apr 15, 2001, 11:35:37 AM4/15/01

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>From: Liam Devlin

>> Mmmmm, Balducci's...
>
>Mmmmmm, Jefferson Market, too

roast chicken!

>I'm a big fan of Bo Diddley, isn't it "Who Do You Love"?
>

I have no clue.

Liam Devlin

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Apr 15, 2001, 12:02:44 PM4/15/01

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Shammie wrote:
>
> >From: Liam Devlin
>
> >> Mmmmm, Balducci's...
> >
> >Mmmmmm, Jefferson Market, too
>
> roast chicken!

Yes! Are you in the area?

> >I'm a big fan of Bo Diddley, isn't it "Who Do You Love"?
> >
>
> I have no clue.

Very influential & under appreciated musician who (along with Chuck
Berry) helped define rock & roll. If they'd been white, they'd have been
as big as Elvis (IMHO, anyway). In his early 70's now. "Who Do You Love"
is one of his songs. Bo Diddley was the guy shooting pool with George
Thorogood in "Bad to the Bone". (George Thorolybad *wishes* he could
whip Bo Diddley at anything)

If you listen to some Bo Diddley, then "Shaft", you'll hear where Isaac
Hayes got some of his influence.

From http://members.tripod.com/~Originator_2/career50s.html

1956

He records "Who Do You Love?".

Lyrics from
http://members.tripod.com/~Originator_2/lyrics.html#whodoyoulove follow
(this might read funny if you don't know the tune):

Track 15. Who Do You Love

(Ellas McDaniel) 1956

I walk 47 miles of barbed wire,
I use a cobra-snake for a necktie,
I got a brand new house on the roadside,
Made from rattlesnake hide,
I got a brand new chimney made on top,
Made out of a human skull,
Now come on take a walk with me, Arlene,
And tell me, who do you love?