Shades of Lana
Christopher M.
thought he was a great foil for Lana. He really brought out her poetic and
imaginative side.
I miss that aspect of her personality. I miss they way she asked Clark
to scream at the top of his lungs with her after the football game (the
episode with the fire throwing coach). I also missed the way she talked to
her parents.
It's interesting to think about what characters had the greatest
influence on Lana's development. I think that Whitney had a negative
influence on Lana--I remember that Lana hated krypto-mutants like the
changeling girl. In a later episode she reveals that she believed that Clark
had impaled her, but never questioned his reasons for doing this. I believe
she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets.
I think the concept of eventually making Lana an evil character is
interesting. But why does she have to be another Lex Luthor? Why can't Lana
be both evil and still opposed to Lex.
For instance, it has been hinted in at least one episode (the
mitzelplik episode?) that Lex is storing away many of these mutants
somewhere so one day he will have his legion of supervillains and he can try
to avoid his destiny of being killed by Clark (the Native American myth).
Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the krypto-mutants. He
even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes that
he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.On the other hand, Lana
sees the mutants as being only evil. Lana's character could evolve into
something that isn't like Clark and isn't like Lex either. Maybe if there
was another prophecy where Lana would be killed by a krypto-mutant, or by
Lex himself, that would cause her to hunt the mutants that protect Lex. It
would also make Clark her only hope for salvation since Lex can only be
killed by Clark. Lana would be kind of like an anti-Lex, but she would have
a similar power to Lex's. Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but
Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be
able to kill her either.
W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
BC
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Partof this may be in the making. Lana balmes the meteors for her parents
deaths and that would mean Clark and the other Kryptonians by proxy. If Lex
is a mutant and uses the mutants then he's a part of the problem and not the
solution. I could see Lana rising above the both of them. But why must she
be powered--maybe she just works for the FBI or law enforcement. It seems
that for any of this fantasy to work the law has to be ignored. As I posted
on another thread I could see them tieing her into the Amazons through her
ancestors and making her a Wonder Woman--damn she looks the part with her
Lana-fu.
BC
sharpie
in order to be as evil as lex is, he uses his money.
since lana doesn't have that, the writers would have to make it her
personality...or she'd have to resort to stealing to fund her ways.
that would really make her break the law and she couldn't redeem
herself. one of the worst 'hiding under the carpet' plotlines was how
clark just came back from his summer of metropolis with hardly any bad
result. they spent 2 episodes on his run-in with that crime lord guy
but even that was just another 'bad guy of the week' story.
so whatever bad things she does against clark is done in such a way
that fans still like her, and eventually she probably will become good
again. think of it like wrestling. it's interesting how these people
can be good or bad and the viewing public responds appropriately.
Yabahoobs
sharpie wrote:
think of it like wrestling.
>
Heels and (baby)faces. Interesting analogy.
Christopher M.
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>
> But why must she be powered--maybe she just works for the FBI or law
> enforcement.
Well, if Lana is destined to be killed by Lex, and only by Lex, as Lex is
destined to be killed only by Superman, that would mean that no one else
could touch Lana--not Clark, and not Lex's legion of supervillains. But this
doesn't necessarily mean that Lana has super powers. Lex doesn't seem to
have super powers, other than the fact that he can only be killed by
Superman.
I think something more is necessary for Lana's character than to be just
another FBI agent. If Lana, Clark and Lex are all part of some kind of
phophesized triumverate I think she needs to have a equal amount of mystique
and presence.
> It seems that for any of this fantasy to work the law has to be ignored.
> As I posted on another thread I could see them tieing her into the Amazons
> through her ancestors and making her a Wonder Woman--damn she looks the
> part with her Lana-fu.
In the past I have imagined Lana as evolving into something like Star
Sapphire, as she appeared in the TV series 'Justice League Unlimited', but I
see what you mean when you metnion a possible connection to Wonder Woman.
Lana can be very athletic and assertive sometimes. I think that maybe
Whitney helped to bring out that aspect of her personality.
Star Sapphire: http://jl.toonzone.net/star/star.htm
BC
> "BC" <bcp...@core.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> But why must she be powered--maybe she just works for the FBI or law
>> enforcement.
>
> Well, if Lana is destined to be killed by Lex, and only by Lex, as Lex is
> destined to be killed only by Superman, that would mean that no one else
> could touch Lana--not Clark, and not Lex's legion of supervillains. But
> this doesn't necessarily mean that Lana has super powers. Lex doesn't seem
> to have super powers, other than the fact that he can only be killed by
> Superman.
>
> I think something more is necessary for Lana's character than to be just
> another FBI agent. If Lana, Clark and Lex are all part of some kind of
> phophesized triumverate I think she needs to have a equal amount of
> mystique and presence.
I agree. And I think they've laid the foundation for that already. Working
for law enforcement is a joke on this show--there isn't any.
>
>> It seems that for any of this fantasy to work the law has to be ignored.
>> As I posted on another thread I could see them tieing her into the
>> Amazons through her ancestors and making her a Wonder Woman--damn she
>> looks the part with her Lana-fu.
>
> In the past I have imagined Lana as evolving into something like Star
> Sapphire, as she appeared in the TV series 'Justice League Unlimited', but
> I see what you mean when you metnion a possible connection to Wonder
> Woman. Lana can be very athletic and assertive sometimes. I think that
> maybe Whitney helped to bring out that aspect of her personality.
And it was Lex that taught her self defense.
Christopher M.
bf
Christopher M. wrote:
> I miss that aspect of her personality. I miss they way she asked Clark
> to scream at the top of his lungs with her after the football game (the
> episode with the fire throwing coach). I also missed the way she talked to
> her parents.
Yes, in the beginning of the series, the characters were much more
unique. Most of Lana's personality has been sucked out over the last
few years. Now she's just reduced to agonizing over whoever she's
dating at the time (Jason, Clark, Lex, whoever).. They hinted she had a
big interest in astronomy.. then dropped it.. They didn't even have her
really show emotion when Lex proposed. The next week, she acted as if
Lex asked her to take out the trash or something instead of marriage..
I really dislike how she's hot and cold for Lex. Of course, she always
takes advantage of Lex for free room and board and a shoulder to cry
on, but can't commit to the relationship.
Maybe it has to do with BC's comment about the women writers.. They
want Lana, Chloe, and even Lois to be "strong" and not need men or
whatever. Chloe refuses to acknowledge Jimmy as her boyfriend, despite
the fact that she lets him lick whipped cream off her.
> It's interesting to think about what characters had the greatest
> influence on Lana's development. I think that Whitney had a negative
> influence on Lana--I remember that Lana hated krypto-mutants like the
> changeling girl.
Interesting point. Ironically, I think Whitney was the best boyfriend
she had. She certainly seemed the happiest with him, and it appeared to
be the healthiest relationship she was in. After she abandoned Whitney
and started dating other guys, she started getting obsessed with trust
issues and couldn't commit to any relationship.. Even for Jason.. The
guy quit school and moved to friggin Smallvile and got a coach job just
to be with her and she's all frigid..despite the fact that it was
"magic" in Paris...Basically, Whitney was the only relationship she was
in that even seemed normal.
> In a later episode she reveals that she believed that Clark
> had impaled her, but never questioned his reasons for doing this.
Because Clark always gets a free pass on this show. No one is allowed
to question
anything he does, not even Lex. Only occasionally will someone like
Raya call him out about not accepting his destiny.. So then Clark makes
this grand commitment gesture, but then never changes.
> I believe
> she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets.
That's true, but didn't he save Lana from someone drowning her? How is
that any different from Clark rushing into the pool and throwing the
mutant against the wall and killing them?
This show likes to paint everything Clark does as undeniably "good" but
any other vigillante as bad (other than Green Arrow).. But Clark is a
vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that
Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to
normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and
countless other crimes Clark has done.
> I think the concept of eventually making Lana an evil character is
> interesting. But why does she have to be another Lex Luthor? Why can't Lana
> be both evil and still opposed to Lex.
Agreed. Can't there be a little bit of originality in this show? It's
lame when she talks like the Luthors. It seemed so unnatural when she
threatened that scientist in the elevator. In fact, it was comical. I
laughed. I mean, is any guy like that (who has no doubt a history of
doing shady research) going to be scared of some little 20 year old
woman? Especially when her boyfriend is paying him (ie. Lex wants stuff
from him, so he's not going to let his girl toy ruin the research).
> For instance, it has been hinted in at least one episode (the
> mitzelplik episode?) that Lex is storing away many of these mutants
> somewhere so one day he will have his legion of supervillains and he can try
> to avoid his destiny of being killed by Clark (the Native American myth).
I'm not sure.. I'm not sure they ever said why Lex is collecting
mutants in 33.1
It's another loose end. He's had 33.1 for about 4 years now, right?
Nothing bad has
happened from it yet.. Lex collects stuff like that formula Coma Boy
was injected with but then you never hear about it again...
> Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the krypto-mutants.
I'm not sure about this? Why does he need them? Another problem this
show has. They haven't told us Lex's motive for collecting mutants. We
know he likes to study them.
Maybe it's for a noble cause. For example, if one could give an animal
that burrowing power the farmer had in subterrian, it could potentially
feed a lot of people in third world countries.
Other mutants have powers that would potentially have peaceful uses.
Lex seemed to believe that the Fine vacinne was going to protect
humanity from an alien disease. Lex also tried to keep tabs on Fine and
tried to stop him.. In contrast, Clark sat on his ass in the barn and
did nothing until Fine came to him and it was too late. If Clark was a
little proactive, he could've stopped Fine and stopped Zod from popping
out. He could've gotten the magic dagger from the fortress and stabbed
Fine BEFORE Lex was prepared as a vessel. But no, dumbass Clark never
asked Jorel how to stop Fine, because the people Fine was killing (in
the AOL blog) weren't in Smallvile.
>He
> even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes that
> he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed.
Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
>On the other hand, Lana
> sees the mutants as being only evil.
Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but
> Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be
> able to kill her either.
>
I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has
she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor
cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A
normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the
Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
bf
sharpie wrote:
> in order to be as evil as lex is, he uses his money.
>
> since lana doesn't have that, the writers would have to make it her
> personality...or she'd have to resort to stealing to fund her ways.
> that would really make her break the law and she couldn't redeem
> herself. one of the worst 'hiding under the carpet' plotlines was how
> clark just came back from his summer of metropolis with hardly any bad
> result. they spent 2 episodes on his run-in with that crime lord guy
> but even that was just another 'bad guy of the week' story.
>
I know.. I mean, give me a break.. the dude was ripping out ATMs, and
no one apparently
noticed? The only person to notice was Edge, who recruited him. They
blew a big chance to have Clark be a fugitive. Maybe eventually he does
something heroic and gets a pardon..
Yes, it would be kind of lame to have to eventually pardon him, but it
would be better to at least temporarily have to have Clark face the
consequences of his actions. That's a huge problem on this show. Clark
gets mad and breaks Lex's arm and puts Lana in the hospital
(Splinter).. no consequences.. Lana catches Clark with naked
hypnoChick.. no consequences.. Clark is generally a bad friend to
Chloe, but she's still a loyal puppy dog to him.. They should change
the title of this show to "Everyone Loves Clarkie"...
> so whatever bad things she does against clark is done in such a way
> that fans still like her, and eventually she probably will become good
> again.
You're probably right.. I expect her to turn "good" again and run back
to Clark. I'm going to heave when that happens though. At least there's
some hope that when she's with Lex, she might be interesting. Plus, Lex
needs someone.. He's too much of a loner.. Lex Luthor is supposed to be
the slick, intelligent charistmatic villian.. Instead on this show,
he's the kind humanitarian that always turns the other cheek.. Remember
when Clark walked into Lex's study when Clark had no powers and Clark
yelled at Lex and punched him, and LEX DID NOTHING? Talk about extreme
self control, considering Lex knew martial arts. I don't know anyone
who would do nothing if an ex-friend burst into their house and
attacked them.
Anyhow.. the point is that Lex is totally isolated. Most of Smallville
characters hate him, even though there's really no reason for it, other
than vague BS about Lex having a "dark side".
BC
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Krypto bullet guy's dad was killed by Krypto freak Tina Greer. Shame they
had to make him a bad guy when his dad was the good guy that delivered the
KIA notice to Whitney's mom and Tina beat him to death with a ball bat.
BC
bf
BC wrote:
> Krypto bullet guy's dad was killed by Krypto freak Tina Greer. Shame they
> had to make him a bad guy when his dad was the good guy that delivered the
> KIA notice to Whitney's mom and Tina beat him to death with a ball bat.
> BC
It could've been a potentially interesting 4-5 episode arc to have a
mysterious, unknown vigillantee helping Clark clense the town of meteor
freaks, but instead the writers had to take the lame way out and have
him shoot Clark. Eventually, he gets publicly exposed and is hailed as
a hero and savior of the town. (Naturally, the police look the other
way, just like they do with Clark :) ) Then they they could've had him
die at the hands of a freak that was just too powerful and made him a
hero/martyr to the whole town. Then Clark could've wondered if a
similiar fate was in store for him.. or something like that. Anything
is better than the standard formula of "Duh, I better try to kill
Clark".
Really, I see very little difference between Krypto Bullet guy and
Clark. Both pretty much assume that anyone with powers is extremely
dangerous and should be exterminated.
We've seen a few exceptions like Flash where Clark somehow decides "Oh,
I bet deep down he's a good guy" despite the Flash being a thief, yet
the norm is the Dog Catcher episode where the thieves need to be
executed. Why didn't Clark have a heart to heart chat with some of the
other mutants and try to steer them on the straight and narrow like he
did with Bart? Why doesn't Clark give other people with powers the
benefit of the doubt? The only time I remember Clark giving a mutant
the benefit of the doubt was Glass Shattering Girl. Note, I'm not
counting powers that are obviously no threat at all like looking into
the future and healing.
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>> Krypto bullet guy's dad was killed by Krypto freak Tina Greer. Shame
>> they
>> had to make him a bad guy when his dad was the good guy that delivered
>> the
>> KIA notice to Whitney's mom and Tina beat him to death with a ball bat.
>> BC
>
> It could've been a potentially interesting 4-5 episode arc to have a
> mysterious, unknown vigillantee helping Clark clense the town of meteor
> freaks, but instead the writers had to take the lame way out and have
> him shoot Clark. Eventually, he gets publicly exposed and is hailed as
> a hero and savior of the town. (Naturally, the police look the other
> way, just like they do with Clark :) ) Then they they could've had him
> die at the hands of a freak that was just too powerful and made him a
> hero/martyr to the whole town. Then Clark could've wondered if a
> similiar fate was in store for him.. or something like that. Anything
> is better than the standard formula of "Duh, I better try to kill
> Clark".
>
> Really, I see very little difference between Krypto Bullet guy and
> Clark. Both pretty much assume that anyone with powers is extremely
> dangerous and should be exterminated.
Didn't Lana point that out in that episode--in the Talon to Clark? Isn't
that where she called him a vigilante and he gave an excuse and then she
then said "spoken like a true vigilante"?
I think the show would have to end if the Krypto bullets were discovered by
Lex or by Morgan Edge. Actually I don't think Lex would shoot Clark--we've
been told how much Lex admires him and of course Lex wants to learn his
kryptonian secrets. Edge on the other hand would just do away with Clark
like he tried when his thugs used machine guns on him while he was asleep.
bf
BC wrote:
> Didn't Lana point that out in that episode--in the Talon to Clark? Isn't
> that where she called him a vigilante and he gave an excuse and then she
> then said "spoken like a true vigilante"?
I had forgotten about that (at least to that level of detail). Your
memory is amazing.
The cop out was that they didn't have Clark have to look inside himself
and resolve
whether he really was the same as KrypoBullet. Instead, they went for
the expedient ending and just decided to have KyrptoBullet dude shoot
Clark, which automatically makes him "evil".
Another thing is that Lana knows that Clark has killed some mutants
with superhuman strength, yet years later, she shows Lex Clark's
hospital records and it proves Clark is "normal". Let's face it,
superpowers are common in Smallvile. The football coach was a mutant.
The principle (and hundreds of others) were killed by mutants. The
cheerleaders dabbled in Kryptonite, as did enough high school kids
(like the tatoo boys and the baseball players) that we must assume that
it's common knowledge that Kryptonite mutates people. Yet no one (other
than Luthercorp) has taken action on something that every teen in town
knows about. The mutants have done stuff far too blantant to be
relegated to the tabloids.
Anyhow.. Back on topic.. Lana's comment about Clark being a vigilantee
but later saying he's 100% normal and not suspecting Clark is at least
'juicing' Kryptonite or something else to get powers is absurd.
>
> I think the show would have to end if the Krypto bullets were discovered by
> Lex or by Morgan Edge. Actually I don't think Lex would shoot Clark--we've
> been told how much Lex admires him and of course Lex wants to learn his
> kryptonian secrets. Edge on the other hand would just do away with Clark
> like he tried when his thugs used machine guns on him while he was asleep.
Do you mean the scene where Edge's thug goes to Clark's apartment and
gives him the test and Clark beats up the thug? Actually, Edge knew
Kryptonite weakened Clark. That's how they got the blood from him and
that's how they tied him up into the truck. I'm kind of glad they've
gotten away from plots with Kryptonite weakening Clark. They were so
lame. The Kryptonite effected him with different levels of severity
depending on the plot. In one episode, Clark is buried alive and
powerless with a golf ball sized chunk on his chest. Other times,
there's walls of the stuff, and Clark is able to stagger away. Anyhow,
Green Kryptonite is overused, and it's not really a threat to Clark
anyway, so I'm glad they've stopped using it.
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>> Didn't Lana point that out in that episode--in the Talon to Clark? Isn't
>> that where she called him a vigilante and he gave an excuse and then she
>> then said "spoken like a true vigilante"?
>
> I had forgotten about that (at least to that level of detail). Your
> memory is amazing.
> The cop out was that they didn't have Clark have to look inside himself
> and resolve
> whether he really was the same as KrypoBullet. Instead, they went for
> the expedient ending and just decided to have KyrptoBullet dude shoot
> Clark, which automatically makes him "evil".
It almost looks like a writer is heading in the right direction and then
someone comes in and kills the idea and returns the storyline to the same
old shit.
>
> Another thing is that Lana knows that Clark has killed some mutants
> with superhuman strength, yet years later, she shows Lex Clark's
> hospital records and it proves Clark is "normal". Let's face it,
> superpowers are common in Smallvile. The football coach was a mutant.
> The principle (and hundreds of others) were killed by mutants. The
> cheerleaders dabbled in Kryptonite, as did enough high school kids
> (like the tatoo boys and the baseball players) that we must assume that
> it's common knowledge that Kryptonite mutates people. Yet no one (other
> than Luthercorp) has taken action on something that every teen in town
> knows about. The mutants have done stuff far too blantant to be
> relegated to the tabloids.
> Anyhow.. Back on topic.. Lana's comment about Clark being a vigilantee
> but later saying he's 100% normal and not suspecting Clark is at least
> 'juicing' Kryptonite or something else to get powers is absurd.
The one defining moment where Lana HAD to know there was something weird
about Clark and that was in Hidden. Clark has just risen from the dead and
his clothes are smoldering from reentry after intercepting an ICBM in outer
space. Lana just gives him a kiss. WTF? How about the blackened
smoldering clothes? No questions? He was dead then he was gone. No
questions Lana?
BC
>
>
>
>>
>> I think the show would have to end if the Krypto bullets were discovered
>> by
>> Lex or by Morgan Edge. Actually I don't think Lex would shoot
>> Clark--we've
>> been told how much Lex admires him and of course Lex wants to learn his
>> kryptonian secrets. Edge on the other hand would just do away with Clark
>> like he tried when his thugs used machine guns on him while he was
>> asleep.
>
> Do you mean the scene where Edge's thug goes to Clark's apartment and
> gives him the test and Clark beats up the thug? Actually, Edge knew
> Kryptonite weakened Clark. That's how they got the blood from him and
> that's how they tied him up into the truck. I'm kind of glad they've
> gotten away from plots with Kryptonite weakening Clark. They were so
> lame. The Kryptonite effected him with different levels of severity
> depending on the plot. In one episode, Clark is buried alive and
> powerless with a golf ball sized chunk on his chest. Other times,
> there's walls of the stuff, and Clark is able to stagger away. Anyhow,
> Green Kryptonite is overused, and it's not really a threat to Clark
> anyway, so I'm glad they've stopped using it.
>
The green bullet was a threat. Morgan had two thugs break into Clark's Red
K apartment and machine gun the bed. Clark gets up and KO's the bad guys
and Edge walks in to say that it was a test. Had Edge known about the green
K bullets he could have used them as a threat. Later the Edge with the new
face did beat Clark silly with a green K necklace in front of Lex and Lex
still doesn't make the connection.
They have to use the Green K though. Supe is so powerful that only the
Green K can bring him down to a level where the bad guys are a threat. the
other device is to have the bad guys threaten someone that Clark
loves--family--Chloe or Lana. You saw Clark's reluctance to save Lex in
"Static". Had that been Lana, then Clark would have forgotten about Arnold
Schwartzenzoner.
BC
Christopher M.
>
>...Lex needs someone.. He's too much of a loner..
I think it was a mistake to have Lex's doctor wife, Dr. Helen Bryce, betray
him for money. It would have been more interesting if Lex and Helen had a
long and protracted relationship. And then, when she finally did betray him,
she wouldn't do it for money, but because it was the right thing to do. And
then I'd suppose she'd meet her end, as so many others have faced, at the
hands of the Luthors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallville_characters_Season_Two#Dr._Helen_Bryce_Luthor
Christopher M.
>
> ...I think Whitney was the best boyfriend
> she had. She certainly seemed the happiest with him, and it appeared to
> in that even seemed normal.
Her relationship with Whitney seemed to be the most realistic.
> Christopher M. wrote:
>> I believe
>> she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets.
>
> That's true, but didn't he save Lana from someone drowning her? How is
> that any different from Clark rushing into the pool and throwing the
> mutant against the wall and killing them?
On that occasion the guy with the kryptonite bullets, Van from the episode
'Extinction', was saving someone's life. But Van also thought that hunting
kyrpto mutants was the right thing to do. Lana seemed to agree with Van's
sense of justice.
> This show likes to paint everything Clark does as undeniably "good" but
> any other vigillante as bad (other than Green Arrow)..
...And the Flash. I thought 'Run' was a great episode.
> But Clark is a
> vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that
> Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to
> normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and
> countless other crimes Clark has done.
But in this episode Van thought _all_ of the krypto-mutants were evil.
> I'm not sure they ever said why Lex is collecting
> mutants in 33.1
> It's another loose end. He's had 33.1 for about 4 years now, right?
> Nothing bad has
> happened from it yet.. Lex collects stuff like that formula Coma Boy
> was injected with but then you never hear about it again...
What happens to all of these mutants? Some of them end up in the crazy
house, but not all of them. A lot of them just slip away. Remember the
invisible guy with the sister that looked like Miss Tessmocker?
"Clark: What do you think's gonna happen to Jeff?
Lex: A lot of serious therapy..."
http://www.loony-archivist.com/svffr/facts/transcripts/shimmer.htm
> Christopher M. wrote:
>> Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the krypto-mutants.
>
> I'm not sure about this? Why does he need them? Another problem this
> show has. They haven't told us Lex's motive for collecting mutants. We
> know he likes to study them.
> Maybe it's for a noble cause. For example, if one could give an animal
> that burrowing power the farmer had in subterrian, it could potentially
> feed a lot of people in third world countries.
An excerpt from 'Jinx':
"Outside shot of Metropolis. Day. Lex and Mikhail [Mxyzptlk] stand outside
an elevator door in the LuthorCorp office.
Lex: I think you'll find your new accommodations a lot more comfortable than
the county lockup.
The elevator opens and they step inside.
Mikhail: And, uh, where are you taking me?
Lex: Don't worry...You're gonna have *a lot of company*. (The elevator
starts to ascend.)
Mikhail: I'm not worried. I have the feeling I can learn a lot from you. But
I'm just sorry we can't make good on our agreement.
Lex: (He laughs.) You underestimate the value of my *winnings*.
Mikhail: I told you, Mr. Luthor. I've lost my *talent*.
Lex: Mikhail, if there's one thing *I've learned*, it's that anything lost
can be found again.
Mikhail: If you knew I had a special talent, then why did you bet against
me?
Lex: I didn't. I bet on Clark Kent.
The elevator stops on the floor 33.1 and the door slides open. They step off
the elevator and Mikhail looks around slowly *in awe*, though we don't see
what he is looking at.
Lex: Like I said. *You're not alone*.
Mikhail nods slowly."
> Christopher M. wrote:
>>He [Lex]
>> even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes
>> that
>> he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
>
> I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed.
> Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
Lex survives falling out of an airplane after he is tricked by his doctor
wife. He has also survived countless attacks. According to the native
American myth Ziget (Lex) will finally be killed by Naman (Clark).
> Christopher M. wrote:
>>On the other hand, Lana
>> sees the mutants as being only evil.
>
> Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
No, I don't blame her. Lana is very pragmatic and aggressive person, like
Whitney. Most people with a Saxon-like personality would react the same way.
But Clark is different. He has more of a Norman type of personality. He's
more aloof and hopeful.
> Christopher M. wrote:
>> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but
>> Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be
>> able to kill her either.
>
> I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has
> she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor
> cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A
> normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the
> Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
Very true, but until Lana has been mentioned in a prophecy I won't put any
faith in her invulnerability.
BC
She also survived that helicopter crash that killed the pilot. Lana's
tattoo symbol is a part of the prophecy as shown by the cave wall and the
symbols at the chinese temple and is also the symbol on one of the stones.
This might be attributed to the possession by Isabelle if it weren't for the
episode where Jor-el beds Lana's great aunt and meets Clark's grandpa.
Something is going on with Lana but if it was invulnerability then she
wouldn't have suffered a broken leg in Shattered. Maybe Isabelle was
misguided, but she claimed that the stones belonged to her. Later, even
though Lana was still possessed, she gave the air stone to Clark. A lot of
this makes no logical sense but I'm sure it was at one point someone's
intention to make Lana a part of the cave wall prophecy.
bf
BC wrote:
> The one defining moment where Lana HAD to know there was something weird
> about Clark and that was in Hidden. Clark has just risen from the dead and
> his clothes are smoldering from reentry after intercepting an ICBM in outer
> space. Lana just gives him a kiss. WTF? How about the blackened
> smoldering clothes? No questions? He was dead then he was gone. No
> questions Lana?
> BC
I agree, that was the most blantant.. But there were many times that
Lana should've figured it out.. How about after Lana was smacked
unconscious by the Zodlings, and then she wakes up in Clark's arms, the
Zodlings are gone and the stain glass window is broken.. No quesitons.
Clark has shown his super strength in front of Lana and Lex numerous
times, but they always brush it off with "oh, I guess the
hypnotism/silver rock/transference stone TEMPORARILY gave you mega
strength".. They've both seen Clark disappear in midsentence numerous
times, and said "Clark..Clark.. where did he go?" Yet they ignore it.
That's what makes the whole secret a farce. We know they are going to
dumb down everyone (or give them amnesia) that they don't want to know
Clark's secret. Thus, there's no threat of Clark ever being exposed, so
there's no drama/suspense.. Which makes it a tiring plot generator.
> >
> The green bullet was a threat. Morgan had two thugs break into Clark's Red
> K apartment and machine gun the bed. Clark gets up and KO's the bad guys
> and Edge walks in to say that it was a test. Had Edge known about the green
> K bullets he could have used them as a threat. Later the Edge with the new
> face did beat Clark silly with a green K necklace in front of Lex and Lex
> still doesn't make the connection.
Ok, I didn't remember the scene exactly.. But obviously Edge had to
know Clark was bullet proof. Otherwise, what motive did he have to
shoot Clark, if he was trying to recruit him? Edge isn't stupid. He's
not going to roam around town randomly killing people .. especially
people that he wants to recruit. That would only attract police
attention. Someone is going to notice a few people murdered every
week.. Even the Metropolis police would notice.
Of course, that scene was purely for the benefit of the TV watcher, to
show Clark's power, because it makes ZERO sense. Either Edge knew Clark
would survive the test (thus making it unnecessary, why get your other
men hurt).. or he didn't know Clark was invincible and was going to
kill a random person he was trying to recruit. Neither makes sense.
>
> They have to use the Green K though. Supe is so powerful that only the
> Green K can bring him down to a level where the bad guys are a threat. the
> other device is to have the bad guys threaten someone that Clark
> loves--family--Chloe or Lana. You saw Clark's reluctance to save Lex in
> "Static". Had that been Lana, then Clark would have forgotten about Arnold
> Schwartzenzoner.
> BC
I'd have no problem with Green K, if it was used better. They went
through a time period where every episode had a few chunks of Green K
laying around, but somehow Clark had 10% strength left.. just enough to
heat vision, knock over the test tube racks, etc.
I didn't mind so much when Clark was buried alive with Green K
(although he should've suffocated and was only buried 2 inches deep,
and why would someone bury someone in a dirt alley?) But at least
someone had to help Clark get away from the Green K.
It's annoying when Clark is one of his evil moods, and all his friends
and family whip out these softball sized chunks of Green K and stick it
in his face, and then he just superspeeds away. Sometimes one drop of
Green K practically paralyzes Clark. Other times, there are massive
piles of it which have no effect. Clark shouldn't be able to go near
"Crater Lake" since it was formed by the impact of a huge Kryptonite
meteor. Clark was also able to walk over the bridge on that Kryptonite
stream which gave that old lady in the nursing home some kind of power
(I think to view the future, she saw bloody Lex).
Lana's Kryptonite necklace sometimes just made him clumsy, but when he
was scarecrowed it make him weak, but not sick. Other times, his veins
pop out and it looks like his flesh is about to die.. Let's have a
little consistency.. I mean, 1 pound of green K should effect him the
same every time. He shouldn't pass out one time, and then be able to
superspeed away another time.
bf
Christopher M. wrote:
> "bf" <bfor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1166501084.6...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >...Lex needs someone.. He's too much of a loner..
>
> I think it was a mistake to have Lex's doctor wife, Dr. Helen Bryce, betray
> him for money. It would have been more interesting if Lex and Helen had a
> long and protracted relationship. And then, when she finally did betray him,
> she wouldn't do it for money, but because it was the right thing to do. And
> then I'd suppose she'd meet her end, as so many others have faced, at the
> hands of the Luthors.
>
I agree, it would've been a much better story for Helen and Lex to
initially be happily married and then something else triggers a
conflict or betrayal. Heck, they could've even made her a victim of a
meteor freak or Luthercorp accident or whatever. There were much better
ways to get her off the show if they had to. The ending of the Helen
story makes no sense. She had plenty of money and was marrying a
billionaire, but someone unnamed somehow bribed her into murdering Lex?
And of course this bad person was never named or made another attempt
on Lex's life, it was always just another loose end. Another case of
sloppy writing, where a character suddenly becomes evil with no rhyme
or reason, and with no logical motive.
bf
Christopher M. wrote:
>> ...And the Flash. I thought 'Run' was a great episode.
True, I forgot about that.
>
> > But Clark is a
> > vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that
> > Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to
> > normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and
> > countless other crimes Clark has done.
>
> But in this episode Van thought _all_ of the krypto-mutants were evil.
And Clark also thinks that. The only exception are krypto mutant kids.
He gave Glass Shattering girl a chance. Other mutants which had powers
which
were obviously not a physical threat (future seeing boy, future seeing
old lady, healing boy)
were trusted, but that's it. Clark is immediately suspicious of anyone
with a real power.
He immediately assumed Aqua and Angel of Vengence were bad.
>
> What happens to all of these mutants? Some of them end up in the crazy
> house, but not all of them. A lot of them just slip away. Remember the
> invisible guy with the sister that looked like Miss Tessmocker?
> "Clark: What do you think's gonna happen to Jeff?
>
> Lex: A lot of serious therapy..."
>
> http://www.loony-archivist.com/svffr/facts/transcripts/shimmer.htm
ok, I don't recall that episode.. But you are right. Some of them just
walk away.
It's unclear what Lex is doing with all these mutants. He's been
collecting them for
years, but we haven't gotten any concrete information on what he plans
to do with them.
Lex wanted the formula that Coma Boy used this season.. yet we never
hear about it again.
Given Lex's history of helping at least some of these mutants (like
fast growing boy), it's not
implausible that he's trying to help some of these people get
physcological help so they
aren't pathological killers. He was upset that the Burrowing Farmer was
killing people, and seemed
interested in just observing the guy farm with his abilities.
They may end up just having 33.1 be some kind of army of Doom or
whatever, but after seeing Lex all this
time, it's hard to believe that he's really building an army to take
something by force. Naturally, he's very
curious about mutants, but he seems to have a genuine interest in
research to improve mankind.
All his research projects seem that way.. The Leviathon.. helps
national defense (even if it kills a few fish).
The nightmare gas.. nonlethal warfare. The Fine vaccine.. elimate
global disease. He even went through great lengths to keep the Vampire
Cure viable just in case. There's plenty of evidence that Luthercorp
research actually does have
good intentions. As I said in an earlier post, if the Dirt Burrowing
Farmer's power could be transfered to animals, it could revolutionize
farming in third world countries.. Heck it would revolutionize farming
here possibly.. less machinery to buy and upkeep.. just send a few
super dogs to plow the fields and harvest root crops.
>
>
>
> > Christopher M. wrote:
>
> Lex: I think you'll find your new accommodations a lot more comfortable than
> the county lockup.
>
> The elevator opens and they step inside.
>[cut]
>: I told you, Mr. Luthor. I've lost my *talent*.
>
> Lex: Mikhail, if there's one thing *I've learned*, it's that anything lost
> can be found again.
>
> Mikhail: If you knew I had a special talent, then why did you bet against
> me?
>
> Lex: I didn't. I bet on Clark Kent.
>
Interesting excerpt.. Makes it seem like 33.1 isn't a prision. It also
indicates that Lex knows a lot more about Clark than he seems to know
now.
>
> > Christopher M. wrote:
> >>He [Lex]
> >> even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes
> >> that
> >> he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
> >
> > I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed.
> > Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
>
>
> Lex survives falling out of an airplane after he is tricked by his doctor
> wife. He has also survived countless attacks. According to the native
> American myth Ziget (Lex) will finally be killed by Naman (Clark).
However, Green Arrow did kill him. The only reason he isn't dead is
because Clark
saved him. If one believes in free will, it's obvious Lex can be
killed.. Another example:
If Clark hadn't blown out the fire set by Green Arrow's thugs when Lex
was kidnapped, Lana and
Lex would've burnt to death. I don't think Lex's resistence to poison
and disease would've saved him.
I remember the prophesy, but you can't hold the writers to such a
strict continuity. They are not
consistent, and pull things out of their rearend all the time.
>
>
>
> > Christopher M. wrote:
>
> >>On the other hand, Lana
> >> sees the mutants as being only evil.
> >
> > Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
>
>
> No, I don't blame her. Lana is very pragmatic and aggressive person, like
> Whitney. Most people with a Saxon-like personality would react the same way.
> But Clark is different. He has more of a Norman type of personality. He's
> more aloof and hopeful.
I see Clark as being extremely judgemental and prejuicided. How many
times has he wrongly
accused Lex, yet Lex is always the number 1 suspect? How many times
has Clark jumped to
the conclusion that someone is "evil" with no evidence? He lets Green
Arrow get away with murder out of
friendship. However, if it was a stranger that shot an arrow in Lex,
the attacker would've been thrown into a wall.
>
>
>
> > Christopher M. wrote:
> >> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but
> >> Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be
> >> able to kill her either.
> >
> > I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has
> > she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor
> > cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A
> > normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the
> > Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
>
>
> Very true, but until Lana has been mentioned in a prophecy I won't put any
> faith in her invulnerability.
But this is the problem with a show like Smallville. The future seeing
boy said that Lana would
die peacefully in old age, yet she died in a car wreck. On a TV show
like this, there are no absolutes,
and you can't take a prophesy as a definite truth.. It's not like the
Greek Myths.. The writers are making
up the story as they go along. The reality is that both Lex and Lana
will not die unless an offscreen event makes
the writers want to get rid of their character.
bf
BC wrote:
> She also survived that helicopter crash that killed the pilot. Lana's
> tattoo symbol is a part of the prophecy as shown by the cave wall and the
> symbols at the chinese temple and is also the symbol on one of the stones.
> This might be attributed to the possession by Isabelle if it weren't for the
> episode where Jor-el beds Lana's great aunt and meets Clark's grandpa.
> Something is going on with Lana but if it was invulnerability then she
> wouldn't have suffered a broken leg in Shattered. Maybe Isabelle was
> misguided, but she claimed that the stones belonged to her. Later, even
> though Lana was still possessed, she gave the air stone to Clark. A lot of
> this makes no logical sense but I'm sure it was at one point someone's
> intention to make Lana a part of the cave wall prophecy.
Good point. Obviously, they've dropped the Isabelle story forever.. But
in "Spell", Isabelle was vanquished by the spell book burning up.. Yet
Isabelle came back. There's no logical reason to think that Dr Quinn's
death permanently banished Isabelle... other than the fact we know the
writers don't want to start that story up again.
Lana's ancestors were powerful witches, plus they humped Jorel. Good
evidence that she might have some kind of powers. Maybe that's how she
survives her weekly beatings on this show.
BC
It didn't make much sense other than the writers wanting to be overly
dramatic. I won't complain about that though, because that was back when
the writing was fairly decent--especially in that Morgan Edge arc. Of
course I didn't care for the ATM robbing spree--they could have had him rob
drug dealers to get money and finance his little adventure in
Metropolis--maybe he could have robbed Edge and then Morgan sought payback
and found that he was invulnerable, thereby maintaining Clark as a good guy.
But they had to destroy that with his crime spree--and he walks away scott
free.
>
>
>>
>> They have to use the Green K though. Supe is so powerful that only the
>> Green K can bring him down to a level where the bad guys are a threat.
>> the
>> other device is to have the bad guys threaten someone that Clark
>> loves--family--Chloe or Lana. You saw Clark's reluctance to save Lex in
>> "Static". Had that been Lana, then Clark would have forgotten about
>> Arnold
>> Schwartzenzoner.
>> BC
>
> I'd have no problem with Green K, if it was used better. They went
> through a time period where every episode had a few chunks of Green K
> laying around, but somehow Clark had 10% strength left.. just enough to
> heat vision, knock over the test tube racks, etc.
> I didn't mind so much when Clark was buried alive with Green K
> (although he should've suffocated and was only buried 2 inches deep,
> and why would someone bury someone in a dirt alley?) But at least
> someone had to help Clark get away from the Green K.
And speaking of heat vision--why wouldn't Clark heat ray the plant girl when
the plant first grabbed him? He should have zapped her and the damn plant,
like Lana vaporized the vampire. Did you notice that the most powerful
example of heat ray vision used so far was by Lana and not Clark or another
Kryptonian? Odd isn't it?
Where would one find a "dirt" alley downtown in a city like Metropolis?
Everything is paved around here.
>
> It's annoying when Clark is one of his evil moods, and all his friends
> and family whip out these softball sized chunks of Green K and stick it
> in his face, and then he just superspeeds away. Sometimes one drop of
> Green K practically paralyzes Clark. Other times, there are massive
> piles of it which have no effect. Clark shouldn't be able to go near
> "Crater Lake" since it was formed by the impact of a huge Kryptonite
> meteor.
This last point is completely impossible though. A meteor large enough to
create a lake the size that they show us would wipe out the state of Kansas
on impact. Smallville would have been a memory like the forests around Mt.
St. Helens.
>Clark was also able to walk over the bridge on that Kryptonite
> stream which gave that old lady in the nursing home some kind of power
> (I think to view the future, she saw bloody Lex).
> Lana's Kryptonite necklace sometimes just made him clumsy, but when he
> was scarecrowed it make him weak, but not sick. Other times, his veins
> pop out and it looks like his flesh is about to die.. Let's have a
> little consistency.. I mean, 1 pound of green K should effect him the
> same every time. He shouldn't pass out one time, and then be able to
> superspeed away another time.
>
He wasn't even close to the glowing green eyes of that chinese mask in China
and he collapsed, unable to crawl away. Well I guess it's just the idea
that they want to weaken Clark enough to put him in peril from the bad guys.
The broken neclace of Edge caused him to flop on the floor but he could
brush the pebbles away. He once grabbed a piece the size of Lana's necklace
and was throwing a football in the barn. He was trying to see if he could
weaken himself enough to have normal strength on the playing field. That
should have put him down but didn't. He also drank krypto juice and it made
him sick and normal so the football guys could beat him up a bit. (Devoted)
BC
BC
Alicia followed a similar but reversed pattern--she was a freak to start
then later became lovable. Both Vaugier and Carter were good looking and
popular and the show probably just didn't have the money to keep them
around--so kill them off. I would like to see Helen resurface and give Lana
and Lex some trouble. Wonder if Helen and Lex are divorced or annulled?
They never said she was dead--just missing.
BC
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>> She also survived that helicopter crash that killed the pilot. Lana's
>> tattoo symbol is a part of the prophecy as shown by the cave wall and the
>> symbols at the chinese temple and is also the symbol on one of the
>> stones.
>> This might be attributed to the possession by Isabelle if it weren't for
>> the
>> episode where Jor-el beds Lana's great aunt and meets Clark's grandpa.
>> Something is going on with Lana but if it was invulnerability then she
>> wouldn't have suffered a broken leg in Shattered. Maybe Isabelle was
>> misguided, but she claimed that the stones belonged to her. Later, even
>> though Lana was still possessed, she gave the air stone to Clark. A lot
>> of
>> this makes no logical sense but I'm sure it was at one point someone's
>> intention to make Lana a part of the cave wall prophecy.
>
>
> Good point. Obviously, they've dropped the Isabelle story forever.. But
> in "Spell", Isabelle was vanquished by the spell book burning up.. Yet
> Isabelle came back. There's no logical reason to think that Dr Quinn's
> death permanently banished Isabelle... other than the fact we know the
> writers don't want to start that story up again.
The only good thing about restarting the Lana/witch/kryptonian connection is
that it saves money on an actor. They don't need guest stars when they do
the "possession" gimmick. And you've seen how much they've used that angle.
>
> Lana's ancestors were powerful witches, plus they humped Jorel. Good
> evidence that she might have some kind of powers. Maybe that's how she
> survives her weekly beatings on this show.
>
She does bounce farther off those walls than the others. I really don't
remember Chloe and Lois being thrown around that much--mostly Lana. It was
either Emily or Tina Greer that threw Lana hard enough to splinter a table
in the Talon--and that should have probably killed her. We've also seen her
go through glass tables and slam into bookshelves.
BC
>
> Christopher M. wrote:
>>> ...And the Flash. I thought 'Run' was a great episode.
>
> True, I forgot about that.
>>
>> > But Clark is a
>> > vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that
>> > Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to
>> > normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and
>> > countless other crimes Clark has done.
>>
>> But in this episode Van thought _all_ of the krypto-mutants were evil.
>
> And Clark also thinks that. The only exception are krypto mutant kids.
> He gave Glass Shattering girl a chance. Other mutants which had powers
> which
> were obviously not a physical threat (future seeing boy, future seeing
> old lady, healing boy)
> were trusted, but that's it. Clark is immediately suspicious of anyone
> with a real power.
> He immediately assumed Aqua and Angel of Vengence were bad.
A good example of this is how Clark treated Emily. In the first episode
she's a kid and Clark is sympathetic--the next time we see her she's killed
the real owner of the Talon and Clark doesn't recognize her. He's of course
not sympathetic any longer now she's grown up. Somehow she makes a
Plexiglas house in a barn that is in use without anyone noticing, to
imprison Lana. Clark defeats her by heat raying the supports for the water
tower and Emily slams into the water (she can run through solid objects like
brick but it isn't explained how she couldn't run through water) and she is
either killed or knocked into a coma. I don't think we are ever told of her
fate. Certainly 33.1 couldn't hold her.
BC
That scenario does fit with Clark and Lex being depicted as two heads of one
being as shown on the cave wall. Lex can die but Clark has saved him on
many occasions starting with the Porsche in the river. So as I said several
times before--Lex can't die because he and Clark are a part of the prophecy.
Lex will always be saved by Clark until it is time for Clark to kill him.
They create the purpose for each other. That is why I said there is a TAO
to Smallville--Lex and Clark circle each other creating a balance and the
pivot point is Lana. While most people hate the love angle with Lana and
those two it is actually the driving force of the show--to keep Clark and
Lex at each other. They can't replace Lana with Lois--Lex has no interest
in her, so the dynamic is gone. Lana has to move back and forth between the
two and I predict that she will swing back to Clark. If she doesn't I think
the show is over. This is nearly the case now where they have had Lana hook
up finally with Clark and then Clark becomes impotent because of his
irrational fear of hurting her (didn't have that fear with Alicia) and now
Lana drifts to Lex but still hasn't committed to him even though she's
pregnant and he's proposed. Thisngs would be better for the dynamic if
Clark actually knew she was pregnant and suspected Lex. I don't think
they've shown us how much Clark knows.
I would like to see some more real Morgan Edge villain snuffing by Clark but
unfortunately this show revolves around the love angle and Krypto freaks--I
don't see it going anywhere else.
Also look at the forming of the JLA. Several of the "freaks" were more
powerful than the Flash and Aqua. I would rather have that memory erasing
guy Kevin on my team than the Flash. He could just zap the bad guys and
they would forget what they were doing. Several of the "bad" freaks were
killed but can you imagine the JLA coming to grips with Emily (not
officially dead), Tina Greer, Bug boy, Magnetic kid, Mxy (if he regains his
power of suggestion), super strength tatto guys, the superpower twins with
the force field--and some others I'm sure. I think the JLA except for Clark
would get their asses handed to them in a basket.
As stated above I don't think that Lex, Lana or Clark can die for this show.
Look at Superman Returns. Even though there is no Lana we have Lois. Clark
loves Lois but she lives with White. That in itself isn't enough to cause
the tension so they have Lois go to Lex's boat where she is held captive
with Jason. Now we are back in the same boat so to speak as Smallville.
White becomes an observer (still important) to Supe trying to rescue Lois
from the clutches of Lex. Once again Lex and Supe pivot around a female
character. Supe saves everyone by throwing the island into space but then
he falls to earth and then is in the hospital where we once more have the
Lois hookup. There are only two shots I believe where Lois is in camera
with Kitty and that shot is over Kitty's shoulder (back of head) and is
probably a double--so there is no on screen female competition for Lois any
where in the film that I saw. Yet we have plenty of scenes with White and
Clark together, White,Supe and Lois, Lex and Supe. So my take is that there
is a singular effort to use Lois as a pivot point for the tension--the
relationships, the child, the capture by Lex. It is similar to Smallville's
use of Lana in that sense.
bf
BC wrote:
> It didn't make much sense other than the writers wanting to be overly
> dramatic. I won't complain about that though, because that was back when
> the writing was fairly decent--especially in that Morgan Edge arc. Of
> course I didn't care for the ATM robbing spree--they could have had him rob
> drug dealers to get money and finance his little adventure in
> Metropolis--maybe he could have robbed Edge and then Morgan sought payback
> and found that he was invulnerable, thereby maintaining Clark as a good guy.
> But they had to destroy that with his crime spree--and he walks away scott
> free.
I agree, I can go along with the Edge "test" to add drama and give
Clark a chance to use his powers, even though it doens't make sense,
since the rest of the story was good.
>
> And speaking of heat vision--why wouldn't Clark heat ray the plant girl when
> the plant first grabbed him? He should have zapped her and the damn plant,
> like Lana vaporized the vampire. Did you notice that the most powerful
> example of heat ray vision used so far was by Lana and not Clark or another
> Kryptonian? Odd isn't it?
Plant Girl was one of the WORST episodes. The only saving grace was
that she was very attractive. The electricity angle was so lame, as was
Clark poking around Lex's rare plant collection, assuming Lex was
guilty.. I mean, that was laughable and made Clark look like a total
moron.
> > Clark shouldn't be able to go near
> > "Crater Lake" since it was formed by the impact of a huge Kryptonite
> > meteor.
>
> This last point is completely impossible though. A meteor large enough to
> create a lake the size that they show us would wipe out the state of Kansas
> on impact. Smallville would have been a memory like the forests around Mt.
> St. Helens.
Very true.. but I guess you could assume one of the Krytonite boulders
expanded on impact when it hit the earth.. but you're right, that's a
huge explosion.. Actually, Lex's military project may have saved
Smallville from an attact from Kryptonite Fish Mutants.
>
> He wasn't even close to the glowing green eyes of that chinese mask in China
> and he collapsed, unable to crawl away. Well I guess it's just the idea
> that they want to weaken Clark enough to put him in peril from the bad guys.
> The broken neclace of Edge caused him to flop on the floor but he could
> brush the pebbles away. He once grabbed a piece the size of Lana's necklace
> and was throwing a football in the barn. He was trying to see if he could
> weaken himself enough to have normal strength on the playing field. That
> should have put him down but didn't. He also drank krypto juice and it made
> him sick and normal so the football guys could beat him up a bit. (Devoted)
> BC
Excellent memory of details.. I forgot about the football bit.. That's
probably the most blatant. Drinking the stuff should've been more
harmful to him than the Kryptonite bullet (which I believe just passed
through him.. but Clark didn't have SuperHealing in that episode to
immediately close the wound). When he drank the Kryptonite Gatoraide,
his insides should have been burned up.
BC
Haha--LOL! I never tought of it that way--Lex inadvertently kills off the
creatures from the black lagoon.
>
>
>>
>> He wasn't even close to the glowing green eyes of that chinese mask in
>> China
>> and he collapsed, unable to crawl away. Well I guess it's just the idea
>> that they want to weaken Clark enough to put him in peril from the bad
>> guys.
>> The broken neclace of Edge caused him to flop on the floor but he could
>> brush the pebbles away. He once grabbed a piece the size of Lana's
>> necklace
>> and was throwing a football in the barn. He was trying to see if he
>> could
>> weaken himself enough to have normal strength on the playing field. That
>> should have put him down but didn't. He also drank krypto juice and it
>> made
>> him sick and normal so the football guys could beat him up a bit.
>> (Devoted)
>> BC
>
> Excellent memory of details.. I forgot about the football bit.. That's
> probably the most blatant. Drinking the stuff should've been more
> harmful to him than the Kryptonite bullet (which I believe just passed
> through him.. but Clark didn't have SuperHealing in that episode to
> immediately close the wound). When he drank the Kryptonite Gatoraide,
> his insides should have been burned up.
>
The kryptoade just dripped out his nose I believe and the bullet didn't pass
through--Jonathan dug it out with a rusty pocket knife.
That scene is one of my favorites. Clark is unconscious and Jonathan is
digging in the wound. It is important that he hurry and get the bullet
out. But Jonathan stops digging and turns to Clark's face and says
something like "you hang on now". Like Clark is going to hear him and
that will make a difference so he stops digging for the bullet. Later a
recovering Clark is wrapped in a red blanket like a cape. Don't know if it
is a Kryptonian or Wal-mart blanket though.
BC
bf
BC wrote:
> A good example of this is how Clark treated Emily. In the first episode
> she's a kid and Clark is sympathetic--the next time we see her she's killed
> the real owner of the Talon and Clark doesn't recognize her. He's of course
> not sympathetic any longer now she's grown up. Somehow she makes a
> Plexiglas house in a barn that is in use without anyone noticing, to
> imprison Lana. Clark defeats her by heat raying the supports for the water
> tower and Emily slams into the water (she can run through solid objects like
> brick but it isn't explained how she couldn't run through water) and she is
> either killed or knocked into a coma. I don't think we are ever told of her
> fate. Certainly 33.1 couldn't hold her.
> BC
Refresh my memory.. Was Emily the girl that Lionel cloned that used to
be a childhood friend of Lana's? Anyhow, a recurrent weakness
throughout the series is that the villian is often only motivated by
an obsession for Clark or Lana. Makes for very shallow villians and
overly simple plotlines.
> While most people hate the love angle with Lana and
> those two it is actually the driving force of the show--to keep Clark and
> Lex at each other. They can't replace Lana with Lois--Lex has no interest
> in her, so the dynamic is gone. Lana has to move back and forth between the
> two and I predict that she will swing back to Clark. If she doesn't I think
> the show is over. This is nearly the case now where they have had Lana hook
> up finally with Clark and then Clark becomes impotent because of his
> irrational fear of hurting her (didn't have that fear with Alicia) and now
> Lana drifts to Lex but still hasn't committed to him even though she's
> pregnant and he's proposed. Thisngs would be better for the dynamic if
> Clark actually knew she was pregnant and suspected Lex. I don't think
> they've shown us how much Clark knows.
That's the way the show is designed.. Lana exists to make tension with
Clark and Lex's lives.. Internal tension too. Clark supposedly wants
Lana real bad but then he always drives her away. (Makes no sense, but
that's how it is). Clark breaks up with Lana totally voluntarily and
against Lana's wishes, but then accuses Lex of masterminding some kind
of scheme to "steal" Lana.. I mean, come on, this is insulting our
intelligence and only makes Clark look like a moron. They could come
up with other things to create tension between Clark and Lex.. they
have already done it a few times where Clark disapproves of Lex's
research and when Clark withholds info about the caves.. They don't
have to make Lana the "Helen of Troy" of the show. I think the show
would be a lot more interesting if Lana and Lex did get married.
Together they could poke at mutants at 33.1 with what is initially good
intentions. They can be tempted by various things together, etc. Lex
needs a companion. He needs someone to interact with now that Lionel
has basically disappeared from his life.
Otherwise, he's just spending his entire life sitting in the study
waiting for Clark to drop by (just like Chloe).. which is boring.
bf
BC wrote:
> I would like to see some more real Morgan Edge villain snuffing by Clark but
> unfortunately this show revolves around the love angle and Krypto freaks--I
> don't see it going anywhere else.
I agree. That episode (along with the corrupt cop) were some of the
better episodes because they weren't entirely focused on a random
superpower fight. The bad guys actually had a motive.
>
> Also look at the forming of the JLA. Several of the "freaks" were more
> powerful than the Flash and Aqua. I would rather have that memory erasing
> guy Kevin on my team than the Flash. He could just zap the bad guys and
> they would forget what they were doing. Several of the "bad" freaks were
> killed but can you imagine the JLA coming to grips with Emily (not
> officially dead), Tina Greer, Bug boy, Magnetic kid, Mxy (if he regains his
> power of suggestion), super strength tatto guys, the superpower twins with
> the force field--and some others I'm sure. I think the JLA except for Clark
> would get their asses handed to them in a basket.
You've got a point.. GA and AquaBro wouldn't be much use. Although it
looks like GA has a magic arrow to take care of everything.. They could
pull out that cheesy trick. I guess Aquabro will be forced to be the
brains of the team (scary) since he's not much good for anything else.
Flash could always run away, I guess.. or do the "move so fast, time
stands still" trick.
>. So my take is that there
> is a singular effort to use Lois as a pivot point for the tension--the
> relationships, the child, the capture by Lex. It is similar to Smallville's
> use of Lana in that sense.
You are right, that's how the show has worked, but there's no reason
they can't take it a different direction.. The show is going to blow
all its remaining crediblity if Lana breaks up with Lex and then rushes
to Clark's arms, forgiving him yet again.. and then starting the the
same old crap again. I mean, how can we respect Lana if she does that?
It would make the character a total joke. We already can't respect
Clark.
Christopher M.
>
> Alicia followed a similar but reversed pattern--she was a freak to start
> then later became lovable. Both Vaugier and Carter were good looking and
> popular and the show probably just didn't have the money to keep them
> around--so kill them off. I would like to see Helen resurface and give
> Lana and Lex some trouble. Wonder if Helen and Lex are divorced or
> annulled? They never said she was dead--just missing.
> BC
Didn't Lex say something about putting here in an airplane without pilots,
just like she did to him? Maybe, in some sort of sick experiment, he wanted
to see if Helen was really his equal.
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>> A good example of this is how Clark treated Emily. In the first episode
>> she's a kid and Clark is sympathetic--the next time we see her she's
>> killed
>> the real owner of the Talon and Clark doesn't recognize her. He's of
>> course
>> not sympathetic any longer now she's grown up. Somehow she makes a
>> Plexiglas house in a barn that is in use without anyone noticing, to
>> imprison Lana. Clark defeats her by heat raying the supports for the
>> water
>> tower and Emily slams into the water (she can run through solid objects
>> like
>> brick but it isn't explained how she couldn't run through water) and she
>> is
>> either killed or knocked into a coma. I don't think we are ever told of
>> her
>> fate. Certainly 33.1 couldn't hold her.
>> BC
>
> Refresh my memory.. Was Emily the girl that Lionel cloned that used to
> be a childhood friend of Lana's? Anyhow, a recurrent weakness
> throughout the series is that the villian is often only motivated by
> an obsession for Clark or Lana. Makes for very shallow villians and
> overly simple plotlines.
It was the clone girl. Lionel didn't do it though. The kid died while Lana
watched--drowned in a stream. So the father clones her to get his daughter
back but it goes wrong. I don't know if she is actually a meteor freak--not
sure if Kryptonite was involved. It was a neat sequence where Pete and
Clark are in the graveyard and Clark spots Emily. It is raining and both
Emily and Clark superspeed off and the rain drops are just hanging in the
air. That is an example of how small things can be interesting and exciting
when they put their mind to it.
If Lex and Lana marry, it will make Clark look bad when Lana goes running
back to him. I don't think Lana will marry Lex--they will want to keep
their options open with her being available. My guess is that the baby
isn't his and that will stop the marriage talk. Clark will jump in to
defend Lana etc.
BC
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>> I would like to see some more real Morgan Edge villain snuffing by Clark
>> but
>> unfortunately this show revolves around the love angle and Krypto
>> freaks--I
>> don't see it going anywhere else.
>
> I agree. That episode (along with the corrupt cop) were some of the
> better episodes because they weren't entirely focused on a random
> superpower fight. The bad guys actually had a motive.
Rogue was a good episode and the bad cop was convincingly bad and the way
they had Clark deal with it was good.
I can't see the Lana/Clark thing starting up again but I do see Lana rushing
to Clark for help in protecting her from Lex. There is something about the
baby that isn't right--either it's a freak, or it's Zod's or it's Clark's,
but I don't think it's Lex's. Having the baby be someone else's other than
Lex would break the marriage and cause Lex to go ballistic with Lana. She
would then run to the only person that she knows can defend her--Clark. She
also knows plenty about Clark's secret and may be keeping it to herself. I
don't think she hates him but is just pissed at him and is letting him know
it. Maybe she's using Lex to piss him off--wouldn't be the first time a
woman did that.
If Lex marries Lana and they have a kid and they settle down, and Chloe
dates Jimmy, Martha beds Lionel and Clark is gaily frolicking with the JLA
killing freaks and aliens, this show is going to look like Father Knows Best
meets The Wizard of Oz.
Bc
BC
They went on the honeymoon again but it was a Lex test. He figured out that
she set it up for him to die. Helen then pulls a gun from her purse but Lex
and her struggle with it. The gun goes off and the pilot is killed. Lex
goes to get control of the plane and when he looks back Helen has bailed out
once again, never to be heard from.
BC
Christopher M.
>
> We've also seen her go through glass tables and slam into bookshelves.
I don't think they were plate glass tables, but I could be mistaken.
Christopher M.
>
> Rogue was a good episode and the bad cop was convincingly bad and the way
> they had Clark deal with it was good.
That was great. I also like the episode about Club Zero.
bf
BC wrote:
> It was the clone girl. Lionel didn't do it though. The kid died while Lana
> watched--drowned in a stream. So the father clones her to get his daughter
> back but it goes wrong. I don't know if she is actually a meteor freak--not
> sure if Kryptonite was involved. It was a neat sequence where Pete and
> Clark are in the graveyard and Clark spots Emily. It is raining and both
> Emily and Clark superspeed off and the rain drops are just hanging in the
> air. That is an example of how small things can be interesting and exciting
> when they put their mind to it.
Ok.. I thought Lionel had cloning labs and helped the father clone his
daughter. Maybe that's because Lionel ended up with custody of the kid
in the end. No big deal either way, I'm not trying to nitpick.. it
really doesn't matter. Was trying to remember if Emily was the clone.
It was a nice story, other than the forced angle where the cloned kid
was Lana's friend, and naturally obsessed with her (which was done way
too many times).
> If Lex and Lana marry, it will make Clark look bad when Lana goes running
> back to him. I don't think Lana will marry Lex--they will want to keep
> their options open with her being available. My guess is that the baby
> isn't his and that will stop the marriage talk. Clark will jump in to
> defend Lana etc.
It's going to look bad if Lana goes running back to Clark no matter
what. Lana hates him now. Clark treated her like crap for 3-4 years of
dating, cheated on her, habitually lied, beat her bad enough to be
hospitalized, and then basically ignored all of Lana's forgiveness.
Clark also refused to give her any affection during the time they were
dating, and generally ignored her.
They can't have Lana finally realize what a LOSER Clark is and then
come running back to him.
And if it's Clark's baby, I think I'm done with this stupid show,
because that kid is destined to die. Not to mention it's totally absurd
to have Lana conceive Clark's baby over a year after they had sex. Lex
is the only person she's had sex with in the past year. It has to be
Lex's baby.
bf
BC wrote:
> I can't see the Lana/Clark thing starting up again but I do see Lana rushing
> to Clark for help in protecting her from Lex.
This is where I disagree. Lana won't need protection from Lex. Lex is
not possessive like Clark is. I mean, for God's sake, he has supported
her financially for a long time (Talon, Paris, free room and board)
with no commitment from her.
If the kid wasn't Lex's and Lana walked away, realistically Lex would
just move on to the next woman. Lex has an extreme amount of
self-control.. Clark could learn from him.
>There is something about the
> baby that isn't right--either it's a freak, or it's Zod's or it's Clark's,
> but I don't think it's Lex's. Having the baby be someone else's other than
> Lex would break the marriage and cause Lex to go ballistic with Lana.
If they are stupid and make it Clark's baby, how are they going to know
it's Clark's baby?
They can't get DNA from Clark to do the paternity test. Why would they
even do a paternity test to begin with? I have a feeling this "twist"
with the baby is going to be contrived and stupid. And if it's not
Lex's baby, I think he'd assume Lana was whoring around and just say
good riddence. I mean, for God's sake, Helen tried to kill him and he
just kind of shrugged it off. He didn't hunt her down or anything.
> She
> would then run to the only person that she knows can defend her--Clark. She
> also knows plenty about Clark's secret and may be keeping it to herself. I
> don't think she hates him but is just pissed at him and is letting him know
> it. Maybe she's using Lex to piss him off--wouldn't be the first time a
> woman did that.
I think she does hate Clark now, because Clark has an irrational
hatred/distrust of Lex. Lana sees that Lex has many admirable qualities
that Clark doesn't.. Honesty, self control, gives affection, selfless,
etc. Lex is also in much better shape LOL.
>
> If Lex marries Lana and they have a kid and they settle down, and Chloe
> dates Jimmy, Martha beds Lionel and Clark is gaily frolicking with the JLA
> killing freaks and aliens, this show is going to look like Father Knows Best
> meets The Wizard of Oz.
> Bc
It already looks like that, doesn't it? I'd welcome a break from Lana's
weekly relationship crisises.. force the writers to come up with
something else for her to do. Also, I want to see Lana happy. Even if
she and Lex turn evil together, at least she and Lex will be happy.
Chloe is the only person on this show that is happy. I guess you could
say Martha is happy, but she's a very marginal character now.
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>> It was the clone girl. Lionel didn't do it though. The kid died while
>> Lana
>> watched--drowned in a stream. So the father clones her to get his
>> daughter
>> back but it goes wrong. I don't know if she is actually a meteor
>> freak--not
>> sure if Kryptonite was involved. It was a neat sequence where Pete and
>> Clark are in the graveyard and Clark spots Emily. It is raining and both
>> Emily and Clark superspeed off and the rain drops are just hanging in the
>> air. That is an example of how small things can be interesting and
>> exciting
>> when they put their mind to it.
>
> Ok.. I thought Lionel had cloning labs and helped the father clone his
> daughter. Maybe that's because Lionel ended up with custody of the kid
> in the end. No big deal either way, I'm not trying to nitpick.. it
> really doesn't matter. Was trying to remember if Emily was the clone.
> It was a nice story, other than the forced angle where the cloned kid
> was Lana's friend, and naturally obsessed with her (which was done way
> too many times).
The scientist (Emily's dad) did work for Lionel but I was under the
impression he did the clone thing rogue, but after Lionel found out about
it, he had Emily imprisoned in that plexiglas room.
>
>> If Lex and Lana marry, it will make Clark look bad when Lana goes running
>> back to him. I don't think Lana will marry Lex--they will want to keep
>> their options open with her being available. My guess is that the baby
>> isn't his and that will stop the marriage talk. Clark will jump in to
>> defend Lana etc.
>
> It's going to look bad if Lana goes running back to Clark no matter
> what. Lana hates him now. Clark treated her like crap for 3-4 years of
> dating, cheated on her, habitually lied, beat her bad enough to be
> hospitalized, and then basically ignored all of Lana's forgiveness.
> Clark also refused to give her any affection during the time they were
> dating, and generally ignored her.
And you don't know any women that actually like this behavior?
>
> They can't have Lana finally realize what a LOSER Clark is and then
> come running back to him.
At least half the women I've known, either myself or girlfriends of friends,
would welcome him back. There are several ways to view this. One is that
Clark has treated Lana like dirt and she wants to get even, so she goes
back. Two, Lana sees Clark's lying and secrets as a type of rejection and
due to her having a low self esteem from her parents dying, Whitney dying,
Seth in a coma etc., she will hold on to whatever she can get, even if Clark
is mentally and physically abusive. Three, Lana sees Clark as a fallen
hero, he lost his father, Pete moved away, he is at odds with his best
friend Lex--so she feels compassionate and wants to shelter and nurture him
like a mother. Maybe this sounds ridiculous but I've actually seen all of
this and worse. I once knew a beautiful woman that caught her husband
cheating--she was crying telling me about it. I aksed if she was going to
leave him because she could have any man she wanted. She said "no", that it
just made her love him more! WTF! I said.
>
> And if it's Clark's baby, I think I'm done with this stupid show,
> because that kid is destined to die. Not to mention it's totally absurd
> to have Lana conceive Clark's baby over a year after they had sex. Lex
> is the only person she's had sex with in the past year. It has to be
> Lex's baby.
The Kryptonian gestation period could be longer than a human--besides his
swimmers may not be stopped by a condom. Clark doesn't know this because
he didn't finish his training. The baby wouldn't have to die--Fine could
return and kidnap it--or the Fortress could claim it. There are several
ways to deal with it if they are creative. The Lex baby angle isn't
creative--it is just Peyton Place in Kansas--more of the soap opera type
writing. I'm thinking this isn't Lex's baby.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> BC
>> >
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>> I can't see the Lana/Clark thing starting up again but I do see Lana
>> rushing
>> to Clark for help in protecting her from Lex.
>
> This is where I disagree. Lana won't need protection from Lex. Lex is
> not possessive like Clark is. I mean, for God's sake, he has supported
> her financially for a long time (Talon, Paris, free room and board)
> with no commitment from her.
>
> If the kid wasn't Lex's and Lana walked away, realistically Lex would
> just move on to the next woman. Lex has an extreme amount of
> self-control.. Clark could learn from him.
He has self control for every woman except Lana. First, Lana was Clark's
and Lex is a competitor and would look at it as a Clark victory. Secondly,
Lex has been interested in Lana since episode 2. Lex gave Clark the
necklace to give to Lana but instructed him on how to do it--to use it ass
leverage to get Whitney out of the picture. When Lex realized that Clark
wouldn't do that, he took it upon himself to visit Lana at her stable.
There he introduced himself and was surprised by her knowing him--she had
visited the manision and had caught Lex making out with someone. You can
see that Lana's quick wit intrigues Lex not to mention her awards for riding
that are on display. Lex gives her advice to ask where Whitney was the last
night. That sets the stage for Lex and Lana becoming partners in the Talon.
In season one, early in season one, Lana's birthday party is at Lex's
mansion. Here Lex is already trying to influence Lana and take her under
his wing--as a sort of project. Through the next 2 years he occasioanlly
lectures her--and she doesn't hold back on her comments. My take is that
Lex has been after Lana since episode 2 and Clark was just a means to
achieve that goal.
>
>
>
>>There is something about the
>> baby that isn't right--either it's a freak, or it's Zod's or it's
>> Clark's,
>> but I don't think it's Lex's. Having the baby be someone else's other
>> than
>> Lex would break the marriage and cause Lex to go ballistic with Lana.
>
> If they are stupid and make it Clark's baby, how are they going to know
> it's Clark's baby?
> They can't get DNA from Clark to do the paternity test. Why would they
> even do a paternity test to begin with? I have a feeling this "twist"
> with the baby is going to be contrived and stupid. And if it's not
> Lex's baby, I think he'd assume Lana was whoring around and just say
> good riddence. I mean, for God's sake, Helen tried to kill him and he
> just kind of shrugged it off. He didn't hunt her down or anything.
Maybe when they try to take blood from the baby the needle breaks--or the
baby uses heat vision to warm its own bottle? This is a minor point and
some device could be thought up. Maybe the baby is born in some unusual way
like in a capsule--transparent egg. Maybe the Fortress gives Lana a vision
during childbirth--maybe Lionel is activated by the Fortress and he informs
Lana and that's why he's been reading Kryptonian notes all this time. Maybe
the baby has a Kryptonian tattoo (this would be the easiest and simplest
way) and that tattoo is the "S" or "8" that was on the stone Lana gave to
Clark. She would know right away that it was his.
They keep hinting that Chloe is not that happy--Clark is always in her mind.
I do like the way she acts as a normal young female, and is dating Jimmy--a
normal person.
BC
Warr
>
> BC wrote:
>> I can't see the Lana/Clark thing starting up again but I do see Lana
>> rushing
>> to Clark for help in protecting her from Lex.
>
> This is where I disagree. Lana won't need protection from Lex. Lex is
> not possessive like Clark is. I mean, for God's sake, he has supported
> her financially for a long time (Talon, Paris, free room and board)
> with no commitment from her.
The spy cams would suggest some type of possessive issues.
Warr
Christopher M.
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>
> The spy cams would suggest some type of possessive issues.
That's true. And, don't forget, Lex is mental.
bf
BC wrote:
> > It's going to look bad if Lana goes running back to Clark no matter
> > what. Lana hates him now. Clark treated her like crap for 3-4 years of
> > dating, cheated on her, habitually lied, beat her bad enough to be
> > hospitalized, and then basically ignored all of Lana's forgiveness.
> > Clark also refused to give her any affection during the time they were
> > dating, and generally ignored her.
>
> And you don't know any women that actually like this behavior?
Not exactly.. Lana seems to show genuine hatred/distaste when she
talks to Clark.
Yes, in real life, some foolish women will come back to a loser
boyfriend, but I don't think I've ever seen that happen when the woman
realizes how bad the boyfriend was.. Usually, the woman thinks it's her
fault the relationship ended, has self esteem issues, etc. Lana seems
definitiely "over" Clark, and has spoken strong words to him. It's
going to be stupid if they get back together, particularly if it
happens this season.
> I once knew a beautiful woman that caught her husband
> cheating--she was crying telling me about it. I aksed if she was going to
> leave him because she could have any man she wanted. She said "no", that it
> just made her love him more! WTF! I said.
Yeah, it happens, but doesn't it make you lose respect for her (sorry
if you are talking about a relative or something).. If Lana goes back
to Clark, it's going to be hard to feel any sympathy when she goes back
to being abused by him. It's not as if I cared that much about their
relationship before (it was incredibly boring), but I'll be in full
apathy mode when it happens again.. Why do I want to see the same BS
played out again?
>
> The Kryptonian gestation period could be longer than a human--besides his
> swimmers may not be stopped by a condom.
True, but he was powerless at the time. The best assumption seems to be
that a powerless Kryptonian is identical to a human. Considering that
the DNA is able to hybridize, Krytponians and humans have to be VERY
close.
Also, if the gestation time was slower, Lana would still have had a
year with no periods. As soon as the egg is fertilized and impanted,
the woman's homone system stops ovulation and periods.. So even if the
hybrid baby took a year to start growing, Lana would've still missed
about 15 periods by now.
The alternative is that Kryptonian sperm can live for over a year
inside Lana and they are just now doing their job.. Which is
ludicrous.. Even if the sperm could live for a year (the cells could
somehow find nourishment), they would be attacked by Lana's immune
system, washed out, etc.
I don't mind suspension of belief, but this is just stupid and a result
of very POOR writing. If they wanted it to be Clark's baby, they
should've doped him and Lana up on Red K or something in an episode
this season and had them do the deed. Then had Lana do Lex.. Then there
would be a reasonable doubt. The writers shouldn't just pull out the
"Kryptonians are different" card out of laziness and poor planning.
If the hybrid embryo takes over a year to show up on a pregnancy test
due to slow growth, is Lana even going to be alive when it's grown to
term? I mean, if it took 15 months to grow to the size of a normal 1
week old fetus, that's a long gestation time.
> The Lex baby angle isn't
> creative--it is just Peyton Place in Kansas--more of the soap opera type
> writing. I'm thinking this isn't Lex's baby.
If I was the writer, I wouldn't have made Lana pregnant either, unless
I had a good long term plan. My initial thought was that sex with Clark
was good and pure, and sex with Lex was "evil", so they wanted to
punish Lana with an unwanted pregnancy. Either that or the pregnancy is
just a way to cause stress between Lana and Lex. It got Lex to propose,
and now Lana can anguish over the decision for a few months.
They could easily just let Lana have the baby and get married. They
could hire a nanny and Lana could continue to do whatever her purpose
is on this show. (Which I don't know her point now.. she doesn't do the
Talon, school, or anything.. all she does is have an occasional
argument with Clark and be a wishy-washy girlfriend with Lex).
bf
I disagree with this. Although I can't remember everything in season 1.
Lex seemed to genuinely want to be just a friend for the first few
seasons. Yes, he was the financial partner in the Talon, but he told
Lana it pretty much had to sink or swim under her leadership, and that
he wasn't going to just dump money down a hole. It seems similiar to
a lot of things Lex has done. He bought out the Kent's mortgage, bought
Clark a new truck. This is even more generous than he's been to Lana.
He even gave Clark and Lana advice numerous times on how to STAY
TOGETHER.
And perhaps the biggest piece of evidence.. Lex married Helen. That
pretty much shows that Lex hasn't had a 6 year obsession and grand
scheme for getting Lana for himself.
I think he was "impressed" with her riding awards just to be polite.
Think about it.. Lex has traveled the world and is a billionaire. Is he
really going to be impressed with a 15 year old's riding awards? Not to
mention, it's kind of sick to think he was after a 15 year old.
It wasn't until last season that Lex started to show a real romantic
interest in Lana.
> Maybe when they try to take blood from the baby the needle breaks--or the
> baby uses heat vision to warm its own bottle? This is a minor point and
> some device could be thought up. Maybe the baby is born in some unusual way
> like in a capsule--transparent egg. Maybe the Fortress gives Lana a vision
> during childbirth--maybe Lionel is activated by the Fortress and he informs
> Lana and that's why he's been reading Kryptonian notes all this time. Maybe
> the baby has a Kryptonian tattoo (this would be the easiest and simplest
> way) and that tattoo is the "S" or "8" that was on the stone Lana gave to
> Clark. She would know right away that it was his.
Still would make no sense, and be the dumbest thing this show has done.
Think about it. They can't make Clark a teenaged father. They can't
have the kid born with a tatoo or whatever. If they want Lex and Lana
to break up this season, there's better ways to do it.
> They keep hinting that Chloe is not that happy--Clark is always in her mind.
> I do like the way she acts as a normal young female, and is dating Jimmy--a
> normal person.
> BC
Yeah, I guess they hint that she really wants Clark, but she doesn't
seem to be obsessing over it. Plus, she's always smiling. Last season
in the invisible assassin episode, she made a point to get Clark's
mopey ass out of the barn and do something. She still has a Clark
crush, but seems to have moved on. In the illegal alien episode, she
had a date set up with Jimmy for wild whipped cream sex which was
postponed because of Javier staying there.
I guess I see Chloe as the only normal, person on the show. Lex and
Martha are close to being normal. Martha just pops in for an occasional
phone call where she's fighting for education, so she seems pretty one
dimensional.
bf
Warr wrote:
> The spy cams would suggest some type of possessive issues.
Not necessarily. Considering Lex's "security" team is worthless and has
hurt him more than they've helped him, it's a pretty smart idea. Lex
has had a lot of bad guys burst into his house and assault or kidnap
him (Including Clark a couple of times). He's had a lot of valuable
things disappear. I'd have a few cameras in my house if I was Lex too.
Not to mention, we have to believe Lex when he said he wasn't watching
the Lana footage.. Why would he be if she was living with him? I guess
since Lex and Lana are now sleeping together, the camera in Lex's room
is catching everything and we'll be seeing a Lex-Lana tape on the
internet LOL.
BC
I didn't mean to suggest that Lex had a "romantic" interest since day 1. He
had an interest but she was too young. So Lex will be Lex and he went out
with many women. But we have always been shown that he had a particular
interest in the development of Lana and Clark. He did punish her when she
tried to drift away--like closing the Talon when she decided to go to
Paris--but she countered with an alternate plan. When she comes back with
Jason in tow, Lex is suspicious of Jason and is the one that gets him fired
from the school. So Lex is willing to take on all comers when Lana is the
subject. His advice to Clark is valid and would have been helpful to Clark
had Clark followed any bit of it--which he didn't. In "Cool", Lex loans
Clark the limo for a date with Lana. Was it because of Clark or because of
Lana? Would Lana be impressed by Clark for the limo or would she be
thinking that it was nice of Lex? I think she's intelligent enough to
register that the limo was from Lex. Score one for the bald guy.
>
>
>> Maybe when they try to take blood from the baby the needle breaks--or the
>> baby uses heat vision to warm its own bottle? This is a minor point and
>> some device could be thought up. Maybe the baby is born in some unusual
>> way
>> like in a capsule--transparent egg. Maybe the Fortress gives Lana a
>> vision
>> during childbirth--maybe Lionel is activated by the Fortress and he
>> informs
>> Lana and that's why he's been reading Kryptonian notes all this time.
>> Maybe
>> the baby has a Kryptonian tattoo (this would be the easiest and simplest
>> way) and that tattoo is the "S" or "8" that was on the stone Lana gave
>> to
>> Clark. She would know right away that it was his.
>
> Still would make no sense, and be the dumbest thing this show has done.
> Think about it. They can't make Clark a teenaged father. They can't
> have the kid born with a tatoo or whatever. If they want Lex and Lana
> to break up this season, there's better ways to do it.
Clark is not a teenager--he should be at least 20. He's 3 in the first
ep--15 in the same ep as freshman year starts. Add 5 years and it's 20.
>
>> They keep hinting that Chloe is not that happy--Clark is always in her
>> mind.
>> I do like the way she acts as a normal young female, and is dating
>> Jimmy--a
>> normal person.
>> BC
>
> Yeah, I guess they hint that she really wants Clark, but she doesn't
> seem to be obsessing over it. Plus, she's always smiling. Last season
> in the invisible assassin episode, she made a point to get Clark's
> mopey ass out of the barn and do something. She still has a Clark
> crush, but seems to have moved on. In the illegal alien episode, she
> had a date set up with Jimmy for wild whipped cream sex which was
> postponed because of Javier staying there.
> I guess I see Chloe as the only normal, person on the show. Lex and
> Martha are close to being normal. Martha just pops in for an occasional
> phone call where she's fighting for education, so she seems pretty one
> dimensional.
>
Chloe and Jimmy having whipped cream sex? I must have missed that--I was
trying to avoid looking at that train wreck--burrowing farmer episode.
Jimmy would be lucky to just have regular sex with Chloe--forget the
dessert.
BC
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>
>> > It's going to look bad if Lana goes running back to Clark no matter
>> > what. Lana hates him now. Clark treated her like crap for 3-4 years of
>> > dating, cheated on her, habitually lied, beat her bad enough to be
>> > hospitalized, and then basically ignored all of Lana's forgiveness.
>> > Clark also refused to give her any affection during the time they were
>> > dating, and generally ignored her.
>>
>> And you don't know any women that actually like this behavior?
>
> Not exactly.. Lana seems to show genuine hatred/distaste when she
> talks to Clark.
> Yes, in real life, some foolish women will come back to a loser
> boyfriend, but I don't think I've ever seen that happen when the woman
> realizes how bad the boyfriend was.. Usually, the woman thinks it's her
> fault the relationship ended, has self esteem issues, etc. Lana seems
> definitiely "over" Clark, and has spoken strong words to him. It's
> going to be stupid if they get back together, particularly if it
> happens this season.
Lana doesn't look act like the type character to have self esteem
issues--but her background can produce that. It will be stupid in the eyes
of an outsider but I knew a couple from High School that married and
divorced each other 3 times. And they were above average i'd say in
intelligence.
>
>
>> I once knew a beautiful woman that caught her husband
>> cheating--she was crying telling me about it. I aksed if she was going
>> to
>> leave him because she could have any man she wanted. She said "no", that
>> it
>> just made her love him more! WTF! I said.
>
> Yeah, it happens, but doesn't it make you lose respect for her (sorry
> if you are talking about a relative or something).. If Lana goes back
> to Clark, it's going to be hard to feel any sympathy when she goes back
> to being abused by him. It's not as if I cared that much about their
> relationship before (it was incredibly boring), but I'll be in full
> apathy mode when it happens again.. Why do I want to see the same BS
> played out again?
It wasn't a relative or close friend--it was someone I worked with. I'm
always wary of women that come around crying--they usually want something.
I'm afraid that if we don't see the same thing that we won't see anything
else. It is either that or the cartoon plots. They cannot write anything
that is close to being adult anymore. They did at one time with shows like
Memoria.
I watch more tv than is good for me and I have no problems with the writing
on any other shows except the CSI programs that I won't watch anymore. I
think they are as bad as Smallville but I will forgive Smallville because it
is a fantasy where the CSI's are supposed to be "real". Real-stupid is more
the word. I consider shows like The Closer, NCIS and MONK to have good
writing and character development and consistency. Smallville's characters
are fairly consistent in being inconsistent. The plots are really juvenile
and everything else is above average. I don't hate the show like CSI
though. I'm still interested in how it will develop. When the day comes
where I no longer care about the character development then I turn it off.
And I want to emphasize the character development. I don't care how many
Zoners or freaks Clark can confront and they then wind up killing
themselves. I don't care to see him push a nail into a board. But I do
care about the development of the character from boy to man. I have 5
seasons of DVDs. Seasons 1-4 are re-watcheable. Season 5 isn't worth
looking at. Once the Fortress was formed and Jontahan died--there is really
no where for them to go except to make Clark Superman and they won't do that
because it means the end of the series. They should have had the kids go to
college and encounter dangers there--like the football guy that could
paralyze--or they could have Chloe discover a plot or plan in history class
that they could investigate for a paper and they get into trouble etc.
Instead they brought in the Krypton connection right away with Fine and then
Zod and now what? Back to the stagnant love triangle plot or some lame 33.1
to get the already used fledgling heroes together--so we can say "oh wow,
that's great" "now what?".
BC
>
>>
>> The Kryptonian gestation period could be longer than a human--besides his
>> swimmers may not be stopped by a condom.
>
> True, but he was powerless at the time. The best assumption seems to be
> that a powerless Kryptonian is identical to a human. Considering that
> the DNA is able to hybridize, Krytponians and humans have to be VERY
> close.
>
> Also, if the gestation time was slower, Lana would still have had a
> year with no periods. As soon as the egg is fertilized and impanted,
> the woman's homone system stops ovulation and periods.. So even if the
> hybrid baby took a year to start growing, Lana would've still missed
> about 15 periods by now.
Maybe periods could continue if the fetus is in an eggshell and not like a
human.
>
> The alternative is that Kryptonian sperm can live for over a year
> inside Lana and they are just now doing their job.. Which is
> ludicrous.. Even if the sperm could live for a year (the cells could
> somehow find nourishment), they would be attacked by Lana's immune
> system, washed out, etc.
Be more creative. The fertilized egg could then develop a hard outer shell
for protection. Those kind of eggs are self sustaining and don't require
attachment so maybe the periods could continue. Of course Smallville has
never tried to explain anything in much detail so they probably won't with
this either.
>
> I don't mind suspension of belief, but this is just stupid and a result
> of very POOR writing. If they wanted it to be Clark's baby, they
> should've doped him and Lana up on Red K or something in an episode
> this season and had them do the deed. Then had Lana do Lex.. Then there
> would be a reasonable doubt. The writers shouldn't just pull out the
> "Kryptonians are different" card out of laziness and poor planning.
That would make Lana a "slut" and they won't go there.
>
> If the hybrid embryo takes over a year to show up on a pregnancy test
> due to slow growth, is Lana even going to be alive when it's grown to
> term? I mean, if it took 15 months to grow to the size of a normal 1
> week old fetus, that's a long gestation time.
Once again if it is an egg in a shell then the hormone levels remain the
same and don't show a pregnancy. It is like a soft shell egg that can grow.
Hey I'm just making this up but I think it could be explained with some
creative thought.
>
>
>> The Lex baby angle isn't
>> creative--it is just Peyton Place in Kansas--more of the soap opera type
>> writing. I'm thinking this isn't Lex's baby.
>
> If I was the writer, I wouldn't have made Lana pregnant either, unless
> I had a good long term plan. My initial thought was that sex with Clark
> was good and pure, and sex with Lex was "evil", so they wanted to
> punish Lana with an unwanted pregnancy. Either that or the pregnancy is
> just a way to cause stress between Lana and Lex. It got Lex to propose,
> and now Lana can anguish over the decision for a few months.
Well it could be they are saying that unprotected sex is evil or that Lex
used unprotected sex to get Lana pregnant to ensure she would stay with him
or to provide himself with a suitable heir or start a dynasty etc.
>
> They could easily just let Lana have the baby and get married. They
> could hire a nanny and Lana could continue to do whatever her purpose
> is on this show. (Which I don't know her point now.. she doesn't do the
> Talon, school, or anything.. all she does is have an occasional
> argument with Clark and be a wishy-washy girlfriend with Lex).
>
Lana marrying Lex would end the legitimate love of Clark for her. They may
as well take her off the show. There is one other option that I hadn't
considered: We've been shown that Lex's mother killed Julian because she
didn't want him to grow up under Lionel's tutelage. So maybe Lana has Lex's
baby and then she does the same? That wouldn't make Lana look very good and
wouldn't gain the sympathy of Clark or anyone. They could have Lana kill
herself before giving birth--but I don't think that will happen either.
BC
Warr
And yet Clark has never been caught on these Camera's.
One of many boo boo's
Warr
bf
BC wrote:
> I didn't mean to suggest that Lex had a "romantic" interest since day 1. He
> had an interest but she was too young. So Lex will be Lex and he went out
> with many women. But we have always been shown that he had a particular
> interest in the development of Lana and Clark.
I agree that Lex had a special friendship with Lana, just like he tried
to have one with Clark and even the Kent family. Actually, Lex was
pretty much nice and generous to everyone, even Lucy when she was
basically a stranger.
> He did punish her when she
> tried to drift away--like closing the Talon when she decided to go to
> Paris--but she countered with an alternate plan.
I didn't see this as a punishment. Lex is a pragmatic business man.
With Lana running the Talon, it was at least breaking even.. With Lana
expected to be gone to Paris for the next 4 years, why would Lex want
to hold on to some coffee house? The guy has a big coorporation to run,
he doesn't want to be interviewing muffin girls and dealing with some
coffee shop.
> When she comes back with
> Jason in tow, Lex is suspicious of Jason and is the one that gets him fired
> from the school.
I'd argue that Lex was being the responsible one. Teachers shouldn't be
banging students in the coach's office. Jason was stupid to get that
job if he wanted to date Lana.. Seriously, why didn't he get a job
elsewhere. Of course, we know he was an assistant coach to interact
with Clark and make the teacher-student controversy. As soon as Jason
stopped teaching, I can't recall Lex interferring anymore. I can't
recall him interferring with Lana's other boyfriends either, although
the earlier seasons are a fog in my mind.
> So Lex is willing to take on all comers when Lana is the
> subject. His advice to Clark is valid and would have been helpful to Clark
> had Clark followed any bit of it--which he didn't. In "Cool", Lex loans
> Clark the limo for a date with Lana. Was it because of Clark or because of
> Lana? Would Lana be impressed by Clark for the limo or would she be
> thinking that it was nice of Lex? I think she's intelligent enough to
> register that the limo was from Lex. Score one for the bald guy.
Back then, Clark and Lex were "like brothers".. I honestly think Lex
was trying to help Clark impress his girlfriend. Think back to high
school. There were the guys that had expensive cars at school.
Naturally, they were paid for by the parents. Does that matter to the
teenage girls? Of course not, they just enjoy the ride. In other words,
a high school teenage girl doesn't worry about where the date money is
coming from.
> > Still would make no sense, and be the dumbest thing this show has done.
> > Think about it. They can't make Clark a teenaged father. They can't
> > have the kid born with a tatoo or whatever. If they want Lex and Lana
> > to break up this season, there's better ways to do it.
>
> Clark is not a teenager--he should be at least 20. He's 3 in the first
> ep--15 in the same ep as freshman year starts. Add 5 years and it's 20.
Ok.. you are right.. I will amend to say that Clark being a young
father won't work.
Just like it didn't work (IMO) in the movie. It would be far worse than
Lex being a father.
> Chloe and Jimmy having whipped cream sex? I must have missed that--I was
> trying to avoid looking at that train wreck--burrowing farmer episode.
> Jimmy would be lucky to just have regular sex with Chloe--forget the
> dessert.
> BC
In the burrowing episode, Jimmy comes in (not knowing goofball Javier
is there), and tells Chloe the big plans for the night.. He pulls out a
can of whipped cream and says something like "And this is our dessert,
wink, wink".. When he sees Javier there, he gets embarrassed and hides
the can . We know they are having sex, so it's not a huge conclusion to
jump to.
BC
Actually Clark has been caught on three of Luthor's cameras. He was caught
superspeeding in the museum in "Rogue". Lex was viewing Clark's blur at the
end of the episode. Clark was caught superspeeding out of Lex's warehouse
when the bad cops went there with Lana to blow up the black spaceship that
was missing. Lionel had this footage and was reviewing it. Lex also had
set that trap where Chloe and Clark had to break into a Luthor Corp safe to
get the krypto juice for the electric guy in "Mortal", but Clark was burned
by the laser beams that guarded it. This video told Lex that Clark was
"Mortal" and not superpowered but it also showed how he and Chloe break into
places.
BC
>
> Warr
>
bf
BC wrote:
> Lana doesn't look act like the type character to have self esteem
> issues--but her background can produce that. It will be stupid in the eyes
> of an outsider but I knew a couple from High School that married and
> divorced each other 3 times. And they were above average i'd say in
> intelligence.
Sure it happens in real life. I concede that. But they can't have Lana
go back to Clark now.
To me, that's the worst case scenerio. Where would they go with the
story after that?
Clark is cold, cruel, and lying to her again? They break up and get
back together every week because stupid Lana once again "has hope" for
Clark.. Are they going have Lex waiting around just in case they break
up again.. I mean, it's total stagnation then.
Hook up Clark with Lois, Chloe, or a new character. If Lana does break
up with Lex, have her move out of town or do something other than a
relationship story. Having her go back to Clark would be so boring, I
couldn't stand it. We already sat through 4 years of that crap.
> It wasn't a relative or close friend--it was someone I worked with. I'm
> always wary of women that come around crying--they usually want something.
That's the truth.. They are manipulative.
> I'm afraid that if we don't see the same thing that we won't see anything
> else. It is either that or the cartoon plots. They cannot write anything
> that is close to being adult anymore. They did at one time with shows like
> Memoria.
The show has been drifting for quite some time. They obviously ran out
of ideas long
ago. As you said, they don't want to make him Superman, so they just
stagnate everyone.
I'd go so far as to say they don't want any of the characters to grow
or change. Even Martha is pretty much exactly the same. The only
character that has grown/changed is Lionel, but it was for the worse..
he's boring now, and they still like to tease us with too many false
alarms of him being evil again.
>
. I don't hate the show like CSI
> though. I'm still interested in how it will develop. When the day comes
> where I no longer care about the character development then I turn it off.
> And I want to emphasize the character development. I don't care how many
> Zoners or freaks Clark can confront and they then wind up killing
> themselves. I don't care to see him push a nail into a board. But I do
> care about the development of the character from boy to man.
That's me.. I watch the show pretty much out of morbid curiousity to
see if it ever goes anywhere. Usually they pull off 2 interesting
episodes per year. I don't watch a whole lot
of TV.. this is the only show I watch regularly. I sometimes catch
Desparate Housewives, because my wife watches it religiously and it's
actually funny and sometimes has a decent story. Actually, Smallville
should copy that formula.. Someone new moves in for 4-5 episodes and
causes some drama/excitment until they are arrested/die/move out.
> They should have had the kids go to
> college and encounter dangers there--like the football guy that could
> paralyze--or they could have Chloe discover a plot or plan in history class
> that they could investigate for a paper and they get into trouble etc.
Yep, they need to move the gang to college and get a whole new set of
writers.
Make about 4-5 multi-epsiode story arcs per season. They could even
come up with some new ideas. Like maybe Clark meets someone, they rush
a frat. Clark could have the Peter Parker struggles of juggling being
a hero vs. homework. Clark could have a college friend with a drinking
problem which over several episodes causes trouble (not superpowered)..
Maybe he has an athlete friend that insists on playing football hurt,
and Clark saves him from getting permanently hurt.. Maybe Clark could
finally learn some leadership and social skills at college.. There's
many things they could explore, as opposed to the standard mutant plot
we get every week. Many scenerios that could make Clark actually be
heroic as opposed to being a vigillantee. And of course, he could
always X-ray vision the cheerleaders' locker room..
> Instead they brought in the Krypton connection right away with Fine and then
> Zod and now what?
Exactly.. Clark defeated Zod without even breaking a sweat.. What else
is left to throw at him that would even be remotely interesting? They
even cheesed out the "defeat" of Fine.
>Back to the stagnant love triangle plot or some lame 33.1
> to get the already used fledgling heroes together--so we can say "oh wow,
> that's great" "now what?".
> BC
They're out of ideas, thus the Justice League stuff. GA has been a
disaster in my theory. He's closer to what Lex or Lionel SHOULD be,
than a hero.
> Maybe periods could continue if the fetus is in an eggshell and not like a
> human.
Sure, they can pull an explanation like that out of their asses, but I
will not accept it. I'm totally against a Lana-Clark baby out of the
blue (if you couldn't tell LOL)
> That would make Lana a "slut" and they won't go there.
Why not? Lois is banging everyone in sight.. If Lana is turning to the
dark side, why not?
Clark has done much worse things than a 20 year old having a one night
stand (under the influence of something, of course, LOL).
> Lana marrying Lex would end the legitimate love of Clark for her.
And that would be welcome to me. They can use something else to drive a
wedge between Clark and Lex.
>They may
> as well take her off the show.
Without Lana, Lex is all alone in this world. It's better to give him
someone to talk to and interact with. If he's all alone, what's he
going to do, other than drink scotch in the office?
I doubt Lana kills the kid intentionally. That was a bit disturbing
when Lex's mom did it, and talk about making Lana evil...
bf
Warr wrote:
> And yet Clark has never been caught on these Camera's.
>
> One of many boo boo's
>
> Warr
Yes, it's idiotic, especially when they have Lex sitting by the fire
saying "I just know something is different about Clark, but I have no
clue what it is".
Heck, Clark has shown Lex enough powers live for Lex to figure it out.
BC
>
> BC wrote:
>> I didn't mean to suggest that Lex had a "romantic" interest since day 1.
>> He
>> had an interest but she was too young. So Lex will be Lex and he went
>> out
>> with many women. But we have always been shown that he had a particular
>> interest in the development of Lana and Clark.
>
> I agree that Lex had a special friendship with Lana, just like he tried
> to have one with Clark and even the Kent family. Actually, Lex was
> pretty much nice and generous to everyone, even Lucy when she was
> basically a stranger.
>
>
>> He did punish her when she
>> tried to drift away--like closing the Talon when she decided to go to
>> Paris--but she countered with an alternate plan.
>
> I didn't see this as a punishment. Lex is a pragmatic business man.
> With Lana running the Talon, it was at least breaking even.. With Lana
> expected to be gone to Paris for the next 4 years, why would Lex want
> to hold on to some coffee house? The guy has a big coorporation to run,
> he doesn't want to be interviewing muffin girls and dealing with some
> coffee shop.
I see it as Lex doing her a favor to keep her around and in the loop, but
her decision to leave will cost her the Talon--all her hard work down the
drain. His excuse is the bottom line but you and I know that reason has
always been an excuse with Lex and not a fact. Factually, Lex operates with
his emotions as much as Clark and Lionel knows this about Lex. In this case
Lana found a way out of the dilema and she passes a crude Lex test IMO.
>
>
> > When she comes back with
>> Jason in tow, Lex is suspicious of Jason and is the one that gets him
>> fired
>> from the school.
>
> I'd argue that Lex was being the responsible one. Teachers shouldn't be
> banging students in the coach's office. Jason was stupid to get that
> job if he wanted to date Lana.. Seriously, why didn't he get a job
> elsewhere. Of course, we know he was an assistant coach to interact
> with Clark and make the teacher-student controversy. As soon as Jason
> stopped teaching, I can't recall Lex interferring anymore. I can't
> recall him interferring with Lana's other boyfriends either, although
> the earlier seasons are a fog in my mind.
Responsible yes, I agree, but nevertheless he had a special interest in
finding out who Jason was and knew about the relationship before snoopy
Clark. Lex is watching over her at this stage. After Jason lost his job,
Lex did interfere by hiring Jason to do something that would piss off
Lana--having him report on to him about his mother and Lana's involvement
with the stone search. So Lex "keeps his enemies closer" as he once said by
hiring them, where he can keep an eye on their activities.
>
>
>
>> So Lex is willing to take on all comers when Lana is the
>> subject. His advice to Clark is valid and would have been helpful to
>> Clark
>> had Clark followed any bit of it--which he didn't. In "Cool", Lex loans
>> Clark the limo for a date with Lana. Was it because of Clark or because
>> of
>> Lana? Would Lana be impressed by Clark for the limo or would she be
>> thinking that it was nice of Lex? I think she's intelligent enough to
>> register that the limo was from Lex. Score one for the bald guy.
>
> Back then, Clark and Lex were "like brothers".. I honestly think Lex
> was trying to help Clark impress his girlfriend. Think back to high
> school. There were the guys that had expensive cars at school.
> Naturally, they were paid for by the parents. Does that matter to the
> teenage girls? Of course not, they just enjoy the ride. In other words,
> a high school teenage girl doesn't worry about where the date money is
> coming from.
Lana isn't ordinary though and Lex knows it or he wouldn't have agreed to
sharing the Talon with her. Les was like a brother but a "big" brother.
And a big brother isn't immune from wanting little brother's girl.
>
>
>
>
>> > Still would make no sense, and be the dumbest thing this show has done.
>> > Think about it. They can't make Clark a teenaged father. They can't
>> > have the kid born with a tatoo or whatever. If they want Lex and Lana
>> > to break up this season, there's better ways to do it.
>>
>> Clark is not a teenager--he should be at least 20. He's 3 in the first
>> ep--15 in the same ep as freshman year starts. Add 5 years and it's 20.
>
> Ok.. you are right.. I will amend to say that Clark being a young
> father won't work.
> Just like it didn't work (IMO) in the movie. It would be far worse than
> Lex being a father.
I think the movie is fine. If you go and compare it to the comics or those
other crappy movies (SI is exception) and mix all those plots and timelines
then it is a problem. But judge the movie for what it is--the best or
second best Superman story so far.
>
>
>> Chloe and Jimmy having whipped cream sex? I must have missed that--I was
>> trying to avoid looking at that train wreck--burrowing farmer episode.
>> Jimmy would be lucky to just have regular sex with Chloe--forget the
>> dessert.
>> BC
>
> In the burrowing episode, Jimmy comes in (not knowing goofball Javier
> is there), and tells Chloe the big plans for the night.. He pulls out a
> can of whipped cream and says something like "And this is our dessert,
> wink, wink".. When he sees Javier there, he gets embarrassed and hides
> the can . We know they are having sex, so it's not a huge conclusion to
> jump to.
>
Right, but in the Plant girl episode they were parked on a stake-out and
they were real awkward at the making out game. Eventually it was Chloe that
jumped his bones. So I guess they've graduated to kinky in just a few eps.
BC
bf
BC wrote:
> Actually Clark has been caught on three of Luthor's cameras. He was caught
> superspeeding in the museum in "Rogue". Lex was viewing Clark's blur at the
> end of the episode. Clark was caught superspeeding out of Lex's warehouse
> when the bad cops went there with Lana to blow up the black spaceship that
> was missing. Lionel had this footage and was reviewing it. Lex also had
> set that trap where Chloe and Clark had to break into a Luthor Corp safe to
> get the krypto juice for the electric guy in "Mortal", but Clark was burned
> by the laser beams that guarded it. This video told Lex that Clark was
> "Mortal" and not superpowered but it also showed how he and Chloe break into
> places.
Yet, Lex didn't review the tapes when the Flash stole his valuable map
or whatever out of the glass case. Lex hasn't reviewed the tapes
showing Clark breaking into his house or Luthercorp. Lex hasn't
reviewed the tapes that show Clark superspeeding away in mid sentence.
Clark has lifted Lex by the neck (when Lionel possessed him).. Clark
has thrown Lex around several times, and Lex writes it off as a freaky
"one time thing" everytime. Despite the fact that Lex has seen hundreds
of people with permanent powers.. It's stupid to dumb Lex down so much.
BC
I can tell :-) I don't care what they do but just do it interestingly. The
Lex/Lana baby seems like "Father Knows Best" or "Ozzie and Harriet".
>
>> That would make Lana a "slut" and they won't go there.
>
> Why not? Lois is banging everyone in sight.. If Lana is turning to the
> dark side, why not?
> Clark has done much worse things than a 20 year old having a one night
> stand (under the influence of something, of course, LOL).
I think for Lana to remain an object of desire in the eyes of
Supergoof--that she has to stay respectable. Lois is an endearing slut we
know. (Oh she's not really a slut, just a party girl)
>
>
>
>> Lana marrying Lex would end the legitimate love of Clark for her.
>
> And that would be welcome to me. They can use something else to drive a
> wedge between Clark and Lex.
I don't see it working. The wedge would just fracture the show into
seperate stories--like it is getting to be now. It was Lana that kept the
different sides going. I know you don't see Lex's early interest in her,
but I do. And it is not only Lex's desire to find out Clark's secret that
keeps him friends with Clark but he also knows that it keeps him informed
about Lana. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"--that is what
he's doing. Lex isn't really friends with anyone--so we've been told. It
sure is hard to tell the difference but I see an advantage for Lex in
keeping Clark close to find out about Lana and finding Clark's secret won't
have Lex take down Clark--because it effects Lana too. So we see Lex taking
the punches, the privacy invasions, the record snooping etc. But now that
he has Lana within his grasp he will start to go after Clark.
>
>>They may
>> as well take her off the show.
>
> Without Lana, Lex is all alone in this world. It's better to give him
> someone to talk to and interact with. If he's all alone, what's he
> going to do, other than drink scotch in the office?
>
> I doubt Lana kills the kid intentionally. That was a bit disturbing
> when Lex's mom did it, and talk about making Lana evil...
Yeah, I only threw that out as a remote possibility and I wouldn't want to
see it. It occurred to me because Smallville quite often uses these
circular themes.
BC
>
BC
Two security cameras pointed at the Pentagon don't show a plane hitting it.
So I doubt that a security camera could catch The Flash at his speed. His
movement would be between frames more or less.
bf
BC wrote:
> > Why not? Lois is banging everyone in sight.. If Lana is turning to the
> > dark side, why not?
> > Clark has done much worse things than a 20 year old having a one night
> > stand (under the influence of something, of course, LOL).
>
> I think for Lana to remain an object of desire in the eyes of
> Supergoof--that she has to stay respectable. Lois is an endearing slut we
> know. (Oh she's not really a slut, just a party girl)
True.. they kept Lana pure and a virgin for most of the show so she'd
be seen as "worthy" enough for Clark. But they've already had her
having sex with Lex. They've already had Clark break her heart and Lana
really resents Clark now. I'd just prefer Lana to move on.
> > And that would be welcome to me. They can use something else to drive a
> > wedge between Clark and Lex.
>
> I don't see it working. The wedge would just fracture the show into
> seperate stories--like it is getting to be now.
I don't mind Lex and Lana having a seperate story with only occasional
interaction with Clark. It's been that way the whole series. Lionel and
Martha are pretty much doing their own thing. Even when Lana and Clark
were together, they were really seperate. Lana was just a convienent
damsel in distress. They'd have their weekly heart to heart talk for 5
minutes a week (with plenty of blank stares), but did they really have
a story together. IMO, no. It was just Clark betraying Lana week after
week and her forgiving him.
Let's face it.. Clark is boring. He's so passive. He sits around until
Chloe tells him something is going on and gives him all the answers and
then beats the crap out of the bad guy. He is antisocial, cold, and
unlikable. I think they need to develop stories outside of Clark to
keep the show viable. And I think they realize that, with Fine and GA
getting a lot of screen time, although GA was a failure, IMO.
> It was Lana that kept the
> different sides going. I know you don't see Lex's early interest in her,
> but I do. And it is not only Lex's desire to find out Clark's secret that
> keeps him friends with Clark but he also knows that it keeps him informed
> about Lana.
But does Lex even care about Clark's secret anymore? I know that was a
constant theme early in the show.. Lex became obsessed with how Clark
saved him.. But now Lex has an entire lab full of mutants to study. He
can find mutants like hypnochick to hire quite easily.
Why even bother with Clark? Plus, the writers may have actually
realized that it hurts the story to dumb down Lex in regard to Clark's
secret.. We haven't had a secret threatening episode since Splinter and
John Dying/blackmail of Martha that Lionel made disappear. And it's
welcome. The episodes where Lex bumbled about trying to find out
Clark's secret were generally very bad.
> Yeah, I only threw that out as a remote possibility and I wouldn't want to
> see it. It occurred to me because Smallville quite often uses these
> circular themes.
> BC
Yes, I still think a convienent miscarriage or other trick to make the
pregnancy go away is most likely. It's lets them reset the story,
which they love to do.
>
> >
bf
BC wrote:
> Two security cameras pointed at the Pentagon don't show a plane hitting it.
> So I doubt that a security camera could catch The Flash at his speed. His
> movement would be between frames more or less.
They would still show Clark appearing to disappear though. Many times
Lex will be turned away talking to Clark, and Clark just zips away
while Lex is talking. Of course, Lex doesn't notice the breeze. If he
reviewed the cameras, he'd see Clark disappear. Maybe Lex would assume
Clark could teleport instead of superspeed, but at least he'd have an
idea of what one of the powers was.
BC
Clark is boring because they (the writers/producers) don't want him to
become Superman. We know he will be--they know he will be--but to do that
means the END. Whoever came up with that idea that Clark doesn't become
Superman until he's thirty canon is retarded. He should go to the fortress
and get educated now--wouldn't the fight with Zod be a frakking clue? By
all rights he should be Supe and fighting these guys. Now we have a JLA
with 4 superheroes and a farmer. God help the Earth.
>
>
>> It was Lana that kept the
>> different sides going. I know you don't see Lex's early interest in her,
>> but I do. And it is not only Lex's desire to find out Clark's secret
>> that
>> keeps him friends with Clark but he also knows that it keeps him informed
>> about Lana.
>
> But does Lex even care about Clark's secret anymore? I know that was a
> constant theme early in the show.. Lex became obsessed with how Clark
> saved him.. But now Lex has an entire lab full of mutants to study. He
> can find mutants like hypnochick to hire quite easily.
> Why even bother with Clark? Plus, the writers may have actually
> realized that it hurts the story to dumb down Lex in regard to Clark's
> secret.. We haven't had a secret threatening episode since Splinter and
> John Dying/blackmail of Martha that Lionel made disappear. And it's
> welcome. The episodes where Lex bumbled about trying to find out
> Clark's secret were generally very bad.
I may have led you astray. I meant that the accepted purpose for the Lex
friendship was the secret, BUT I say that it was Lana all along. Now that
Lex has Lana the secret takes a back seat. We are seeing that now, so I'm
agreeing with you on what we are seeing but just not on the cause.
>
>
>> Yeah, I only threw that out as a remote possibility and I wouldn't want
>> to
>> see it. It occurred to me because Smallville quite often uses these
>> circular themes.
>> BC
>
> Yes, I still think a convienent miscarriage or other trick to make the
> pregnancy go away is most likely. It's lets them reset the story,
> which they love to do.
Slamming her into a wall like they do ever other episode would do it. But
that is too easy--I think they're cooking up something a little more
bizarre--hopefully.
Merry Christmas by the way.
BC
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>
BC
Flash when he stole the document from Lex. He was moving at speed all the
way through the room. If Clark is standing in view and then takes off like
he usually does, then he would disappear on the tape.
And that scene where Lex is watching Clark superspeed out of the museum was
never used. It was proof that Clark was at least a meteor freak and should
be a subject for 33.1.
BC
Christopher M.
>
> We've been shown that Lex's mother killed Julian because she didn't want
> him to grow up under Lionel's tutelage. So maybe Lana has Lex's baby and
> then she does the same? That wouldn't make Lana look very good and
> wouldn't gain the sympathy of Clark or anyone. They could have Lana kill
> herself before giving birth--but I don't think that will happen either.
Maybe she'll transform into Star Sapphire perhaps. Hmm...
Christopher M.
>
> The show has been drifting for quite some time. They obviously ran out
> of ideas long
> ago. As you said, they don't want to make him Superman, so they just
> stagnate everyone.
> I'd go so far as to say they don't want any of the characters to grow
> or change. Even Martha is pretty much exactly the same. The only
> character that has grown/changed is Lionel, but it was for the worse..
> he's boring now, and they still like to tease us with too many false
> alarms of him being evil again.
Seems like the writers subscribe to the 'Rick Berman' school of thought. How
ridiculous is it that someone would actually make it their goal to have
static characters.
Christopher M.
>
> BC wrote:
> Yes, I still think a convienent miscarriage or other trick to make the
> pregnancy go away is most likely. It's lets them reset the story,
> which they love to do.
That would be great. The pregnancy goes away, Lana rejects Lex and goes on
to become her own person. From there she could go on to become part of the
prophecy of Naman and Ziget, etc.
redhawk
"Christopher M." <nospamc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Makes me wonder if the recent villain who appeared as _static_ on Jimmy's
ham radio was actually an inside joke by the writers.
Christopher M.
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>
> "Christopher M." <nospamc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:etCjh.1186$oo4.1185@trndny09...
>>
>> How ridiculous is it that someone would actually make it their goal to
>> have static characters.
>
> Makes me wonder if the recent villain who appeared as _static_ on Jimmy's
> ham radio was actually an inside joke by the writers.
After checking this list of literary terms I think I'd say no.
http://www.notesinthemargin.org/glossary.html
redhawk
Indeed, although I must note that the proffered list of literary terms does
not include "joke" or "double entendre."
Christopher M.
>
> Indeed, although I must note that the proffered list of literary terms
> does not include "joke" or "double entendre."
Good point. Maybe this list is more relevant:
http://www.case.edu/artsci/engl/marling/hardboiled/Glossary.HTM