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It was good that there wasn't any Kryptonite or meteor freak in the show
tonight and I hope there is more of that. The last 30 minutes or maybe less
of actual show time was good starting with Martha in the water and the only
spot that was bad after that point for me was Clark catching the elevator so
suddenly--they would have died. I had hoped he would jump or fly up to it
but noooo, they won't go the extra bit. They did manage to get a bit more
of Lana's love life recorded for us--same as usual--more frustration. If
she wants to be laid by someone alive in Smallville she's going to have to
turn into a real whore.
The first 30 minutes was like sitting in the dentists chair and having him
start drilling before the novocaine set in. At the end they implied that
Lionel set it up with Clark's accusation but why would Lionel torture
himself for the first test without Martha or anyone watching? I don't think
so.
The Clark and Lionel (Jor-el) (rebellious son showing his authority?)
confrontation was really needed and too bad they left the cliff hanger with
Lionel writing that note. Maybe he's dying? Nearly everyone that knows
Clark's secret dies. So far Chloe has escaped and we don't know about Pete.
Martha was hot as usual. The wet look was different. Next a shower scene
for her! It looks like Lois has one coming up and Clark's had one already.
BC
Brandon Buckner
> The Clark and Lionel (Jor-el) (rebellious son showing his authority?)
> confrontation was really needed and too bad they left the cliff hanger with
> Lionel writing that note. Maybe he's dying? Nearly everyone that knows
> Clark's secret dies. So far Chloe has escaped and we don't know about Pete.
I'm thinking that Lionel's migraine-type-thing was the imbedded Jor-el
memory/AI. Probably trying to overcome it with great difficulty and
strain. What he was writing, I have no idea.
Brandonb
David B
I'm sure we'll find out by the time the season ends.
Ken from Chicago
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Liorel = key to stopping Brainiac.
-- Ken from Chicago
him...@animail.net
Ken from Chicago wrote:
> "David B" <both...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Brandon Buckner wrote:
> >
> >> BC wrote:
> >>
> >> > The Clark and Lionel (Jor-el) (rebellious son showing his authority?)
> >> > confrontation was really needed and too bad they left the cliff hanger
> >> > with
> >> > Lionel writing that note. Maybe he's dying? Nearly everyone that
> >> > knows
> >> > Clark's secret dies. So far Chloe has escaped and we don't know about
> >> > Pete.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking that Lionel's migraine-type-thing was the imbedded Jor-el
> >> memory/AI. Probably trying to overcome it with great difficulty and
> >> strain. What he was writing, I have no idea.
I'm not a regular viewer so I'm not sure how much groundwork was laid
for that possibility, but that's what I thought too. Him calling Clark
"son" twice was a pretty solid hint. Has Jor-el possessed Lionel
before? They seem like a good match, actually, and this would explain
some of Lionel's behavior during the election.
I thought there was also a hint in Clark's refusal to accept being
called "son" that suggested he knew perfectly well he was speaking to
Jor-el and not Lionel Luthor at all. Lex doesn't know though. His
hurt that his "father" seemed to see Clark (but not him) as "a son any
father would be proud of" was also clear.
> Liorel = key to stopping Brainiac.
Probably. Still doesn't tell us what he was writing though...or who
was writing. Was it Lionel trying to leave a message for Lex in a rare
moment where he was able to dominate Jor-el? Or Jor-el leaving a
message for Clark (possibly about Brainiac) because he knew Lionel was
taking over again? Needn't be either of these of course. A nicely
intriguing ending though.
himiko
BC
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> Ken from Chicago wrote:
>> "David B" <both...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:44489EE3...@hotmail.com...
>> > Brandon Buckner wrote:
>> >
>> >> BC wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > The Clark and Lionel (Jor-el) (rebellious son showing his
>> >> > authority?)
>> >> > confrontation was really needed and too bad they left the cliff
>> >> > hanger
>> >> > with
>> >> > Lionel writing that note. Maybe he's dying? Nearly everyone that
>> >> > knows
>> >> > Clark's secret dies. So far Chloe has escaped and we don't know
>> >> > about
>> >> > Pete.
>> >>
>> >> I'm thinking that Lionel's migraine-type-thing was the imbedded Jor-el
>> >> memory/AI. Probably trying to overcome it with great difficulty and
>> >> strain. What he was writing, I have no idea.
>
> I'm not a regular viewer so I'm not sure how much groundwork was laid
> for that possibility, but that's what I thought too. Him calling Clark
> "son" twice was a pretty solid hint. Has Jor-el possessed Lionel
> before? They seem like a good match, actually, and this would explain
> some of Lionel's behavior during the election.
Jor-el possessed Lionel in HIDDEN when clark was shot and died in the
hospital. Lionel kidnapped his body and took it to the cave and transported
to the Fortress to save his life and TOLD Clark that he was Jor-el
inhabiting Lionel's body. In actuality, Lionel hasn't been himself since
TRANSFERENCE when he and Clark exchanged bodies for a bit. Somehow it
cleansed his soul and cured his liver cancer to boot.
BC
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> I thought there was also a hint in Clark's refusal to accept being
> called "son" that suggested he knew perfectly well he was speaking to
> Jor-el and not Lionel Luthor at all. Lex doesn't know though. His
> hurt that his "father" seemed to see Clark (but not him) as "a son any
> father would be proud of" was also clear.
Clark's standing up to Lionel was threatening and resembled a son standing
up to a father's authority as a right of passage. He is becoming Superman,
the man Jor-el wants him to be (as Lionel stated).
BC
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> They did manage to get a bit more
> of Lana's love life recorded for us--same as usual--more frustration. If
> she wants to be laid by someone alive in Smallville she's going to have to
> turn into a real whore.
So predictable.. Lana has to bring up "the kiss", just to have Lex
affirm his feelings and then for her to run away.. If Lana thought "the
kiss" was bad and didn't want to be close to Lex, why did she drive in
from Metropolis to have a private chess lesson? Lana has been around
Clark so much, it's wearing off on her. Looks like the writers want
another prolonged BS romance that never happens.
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> The first 30 minutes was like sitting in the dentists chair and having him
> start drilling before the novocaine set in.
LOL, I agree with that..
> At the end they implied that
> Lionel set it up with Clark's accusation but why would Lionel torture
> himself for the first test without Martha or anyone watching? I don't think
> so.
Well, that makes no sense at all. That implies that Lionel somehow
convinced the bad guy to set up all that stuff and take the fall. It
implies that Lionel wanted to risk getting burned to death and hit by a
train. Lionel isn't stupid, and he wouldn't plan such an elaborate plot
to get what he wants.
I did get a good laugh when Lionel was telling Martha he needed to do
the hostile takeover of LuthorCorp to teach Lex a hard lesson, etc..
and then Martha said "Can't you just talk to him?" That was hillarious,
because it applies to many of the characters on the show on many
levels.
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> The Clark and Lionel (Jor-el) (rebellious son showing his authority?)
> confrontation was really needed
I took it to be more of Clark scared about his stupid secret and
willing to kill for it. More rejecting Lionel than Jorel. Probably
because John Kent has drilled into him that the Luthors are always
evil.
>and too bad they left the cliff hanger with
> Lionel writing that note. Maybe he's dying?
I'd like to see the show do more stuff like this, and give me a reason
to tune in the following week. After all, they've put the Fine story
back on hold (Why did they even bring him back so early, just to put
the story back on hold?)
I think Lionel was getting migranes because he was clearly stressed
over possibly losing his life or Martha's over some stupid word puzzle.
I don't think he's near death. Although in the end season, he was
probably sad to be rejected by Clark.
CrimsnKid6
<<I think Lionel was getting migranes because he was clearly stressed
over possibly losing his life or Martha's over some stupid word puzzle.
I don't think he's near death. Although in the end season, he was
probably sad to be rejected by Clark.>>
Jor-el is obviously in control of Lionel's consciousness at some
times, I'd venture, and those periods (before and/or after) may be
causing the migranes, kind of like in "The Three Faces of Eve"--maybe
Lionel's experiencing memory *blackouts* from those times too, but IIRC
that hasn't been shown.
It's quite possible that Jor-el, while in control of Lionel's
awareness, set up the *deadly games* via manipulating the employee
figuring that Lionel would (with Jor-el's subconscious aid if
necessary) be able to survive them and get closer to Martha and Clark.
It seemed as though Jor-el was in direct control of Lionel at the end
of the episode, the way that he talked to Clark about his (Clark's)
"destiny."
So what was Lionel writing anyway?
L.L.A.P.,
--C.K.
bf
CrimsnKid6 wrote:
> bf on Lionel's headaches:
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> <<I think Lionel was getting migranes because he was clearly stressed
> over possibly losing his life or Martha's over some stupid word puzzle.
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> I don't think he's near death. Although in the end season, he was
> probably sad to be rejected by Clark.>>
>
> Jor-el is obviously in control of Lionel's consciousness at some
> times, I'd venture, and those periods (before and/or after) may be
> causing the migranes, kind of like in "The Three Faces of Eve"--maybe
> Lionel's experiencing memory *blackouts* from those times too, but IIRC
> that hasn't been shown.
That's possible, there could be some kind of Jorel/Lionel fight going
on.. However, Lionel seemed very Lionel-like on the cell phone when he
fired that vendor, and in general throughout the episode. Only when
Clark or Martha was near him, did he seem more Jorel like, calling
Clark "son", etc..
> It's quite possible that Jor-el, while in control of Lionel's
> awareness, set up the *deadly games* via manipulating the employee
> figuring that Lionel would (with Jor-el's subconscious aid if
> necessary) be able to survive them and get closer to Martha and Clark.
> It seemed as though Jor-el was in direct control of Lionel at the end
> of the episode, the way that he talked to Clark about his (Clark's)
> "destiny."
I don't think the writers would write something that farfetched and
complex. Remember, they like simple stories. They went out of their way
to say the guy was partying because he thought Lionel was dead. Not to
mention, why would Lionel risk killing himself and Martha in the
elevator? There was no guarantee Clark would arrive to save the day.
Also, if Lionel wanted to fake it, why did he risk his life with no
witnesses present? Also, it seems hard to believe Lionel would risk
letting someone in on this plan.. As soon as tinfoil guy was caught,
wouldn't he spill the beans to the cops.. then Lionel would lose
Martha's trust, which he wouldn't want. Lionel's fear and stress seemed
very legit during the tests. He didn't set it up.
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> So what was Lionel writing anyway?
Tune in next week.. It was a nice touch for the writers to do that
(assuming it's not a lose end that is forgotten).
BC
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Possible plothole here. Who was the limo driver that bailed? An
accomplice? Or if it was the aluminum foil Butters guy, how was he talking
(interacting with hangman) to Lionel on the computer and running away? A
plothole I'd say and he had to have had an accomplice.
BC
him...@animail.net
BC wrote:
> Possible plothole here. Who was the limo driver that bailed? An
> accomplice? Or if it was the aluminum foil Butters guy, how was he talking
> (interacting with hangman) to Lionel on the computer and running away? A
> plothole I'd say and he had to have had an accomplice.
I'm not sure he bailed. I think he might have been captured the second
he stepped out of the car....give him the benefit of the doubt and he
might have been planning to open the door for Lionel. Anyway, the next
we saw of him, he was in the video trying and failing to pass the
bucket balancing test.
himiko
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about because of Jorel's influence. Maybe that information is being
purged and he's writing it down to remember it.
Meh, that's my best guess.
Ken from Chicago
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The limo driver was the guinea pig for the scales of balance test that
Lionel saw a video tape of.
-- Ken from Chicago
BC
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OK, that explains the Limo driver's involvement. I didn't see or remember
his face in the limo or fire room. However, if the driver bailed from the
limo, how did the bad guy subdue him and talk on the computer with Lionel
simultaneously? And it would be foolish to be standing next to a train
wreck wearing an aluminum foil mask.
BC
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> -- Ken from Chicago
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Bubba
> OK, that explains the Limo driver's involvement. I didn't see or remember
> his face in the limo or fire room.
made it obvious that the dude in the fire room was the regular driver.
I can understand why you get so confused when you aren't even paying
attention.
> However, if the driver bailed from the
> limo, how did the bad guy subdue him and talk on the computer with Lionel
> simultaneously? And it would be foolish to be standing next to a train
> wreck wearing an aluminum foil mask.
Do we know the driver bailed at all? What if the mask dude already
took the driver away earlier? That seems to make more sense. Because
how else would the car stop on the tracks, by remote control? Anyway,
he could have punched the driver out, threw him in a very close vehicle
and started the computer chat within 30 seconds.
him...@animail.net
Bubba wrote:
> BC wrote:
> > OK, that explains the Limo driver's involvement. I didn't see or remember
> > his face in the limo or fire room.
> Apparently you are also deaf because you didn't hear the dialogue which
> made it obvious that the dude in the fire room was the regular driver.
I think I missed that too. So the guy driving the limo wasn't the
regular driver? Probably was Apex who kidnapped the regular driver,
took his place, and then stopped the limo on the tracks? That actually
makes better sense. Presumably he then dashed off, donned the tin
foil, and began chatting with Lionel from some nearby cover.
himiko (happy that there is an explanation even if she missed it)
BC
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> BC wrote:
>> OK, that explains the Limo driver's involvement. I didn't see or
>> remember
>> his face in the limo or fire room.
> Apparently you are also deaf because you didn't hear the dialogue which
> made it obvious that the dude in the fire room was the regular driver.
> I can understand why you get so confused when you aren't even paying
> attention.
I didn't notice it in the closed captions, so I was probably distracted.
>
>> However, if the driver bailed from the
>> limo, how did the bad guy subdue him and talk on the computer with Lionel
>> simultaneously? And it would be foolish to be standing next to a train
>> wreck wearing an aluminum foil mask.
>
> Do we know the driver bailed at all? What if the mask dude already
> took the driver away earlier? That seems to make more sense. Because
> how else would the car stop on the tracks, by remote control? Anyway,
> he could have punched the driver out, threw him in a very close vehicle
> and started the computer chat within 30 seconds.
Could have happened that way. It could have stopped by remote control with
no driver or the engine could have been triggered to shut off at the tracks
and the driver bailed, or the driver was an accomplice or I suppose it could
also have been the bad guy driving if he had enough time to put on his mask
in some other car. The last one seems the best. Whatever reason it wasn't
that clear but maybe they had to cut something for time.
BC
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Ken from Chicago
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He captured driver first. Later he recaptured Lionel. He made the driver go
thru the scales first and taped it--then showed it to Lionel.
-- Ken from Chicago
Brandonb
> He captured driver first. Later he recaptured Lionel. He made the driver go
> thru the scales first and taped it--then showed it to Lionel.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
What I want to know is what caused the limo driver to stop on the tracks
and flee the car. You would think that while the window was down, Lionel
would be able to tell who the driver was, and knew it wasn't the "bad
guy". That, or he just hasn't learned his lesson yet about his limo
drivers kidnapping him.
Brandonb
Ken from Chicago
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He could have captured the driver before Lionel ever got in the car, taken
the driver's place while Lionel simply didn't pay attention to who was
driving his car.
-- Ken from Chicago
BC
When I saw the program I didn't relate the limo driver that was burned to
the guy that was actually driving the limo. At that time I thought that it
was the bad guy that stopped the car on the tracks but I then began to
question how he had enough time to get somewhere and play the game with
Lionel. Of course he also had to be nearby to nab Lionel after the wreck.
So I agree with you that the bad guy must have replaced the limo driver.
Bc
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> -- Ken from Chicago
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him...@animail.net
Ken from Chicago wrote:
> He could have captured the driver before Lionel ever got in the car, taken
> the driver's place while Lionel simply didn't pay attention to who was
> driving his car.
Later on, Apex said "I stood right in front of you. You didn't even
recognize me." I assumed he was talking about when he swept Lionel's
room for bugs, but he could also have meant when he drove Lionel's car.
Like most wealthy and privileged people, Lionel doesn't notice the
"help," or take their feelings or needs into account when making
decisions...which was rather the point of the episode.
Actually, this story would have worked better if Apex had been some
lower level type from Apex whose career got sunk because of Lionel
rather than another mover and shaker.
himiko