Creation/Offficial Sliders' Merchandise Licensee
out...@primenet.com
This is to correct the previous post saying there is no official licensed
Sliders merchandise. We have purchased a Sliders' merchandise license
from MCA and all our products have been approved by MCA. If you wish to
varify this, call MCA's licensing department directly. They are located in
Universal City, CA.
At this time there are three photos, one mug, one hat, and one t-shirt
available. We have several companies selling these items on the internet.
Creation Entertainment
Wholesale Dept.
411 N. Central Ave. #300
Glendale, CA 91203
Gharlane of Eddore
In <outback-1203...@ip055.lax.primenet.com>
I suspect this poster actually meant "verify," and was simply unaware
of the actual meaning of "varify."
It's also somewhat amusing that MCA/Universal chose to go with the
"Creation" people.
Bob of Eddore
out...@primenet.com wrote:
>This is to correct the previous post saying there is no official
>licensed Sliders merchandise. <snip> If you wish to varify
>this, call MCA's licensing department directly.
Cousin Gharlane of Eddore replied in his usual amiable tone:
>I suspect this poster actually meant "verify," and was simply
>unaware of the actual meaning of "varify."
I suspect that *everyone* knew this was a typo...but naturally
*you* felt obligated to point it out to make the poster look
foolish, as though you've never mistyped a word in your entire
"career" as a irrepressibly captious Usenet critic.
Memory-refreshment:
From: ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Morgan & Wong and Devlin & Emmerich
Message-ID: <5fochs$3...@news.csus.edu>
Remember that hilarious monologue on "TOM SNYDER," where Ellison
explained why he was *not* be working with Mr. Emmerich???
Ebonics??
Bob of Eddore,
Eddorian Defender of the Faith
Cecile Pirandello
Bob of Eddore <commi...@nym.alias.net>, white sheep of his family,
writes:
> out...@primenet.com wrote:
>
>
> Cousin Gharlane of Eddore replied in his usual amiable tone:
>
>
> I suspect that *everyone* knew this was a typo...but naturally
> *you* felt obligated to point it out to make the poster look
> foolish, as though you've never mistyped a word in your entire
> "career" as a irrepressibly captious Usenet critic.
>
> Memory-refreshment:
>
> From: ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore)
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
> Subject: Re: Morgan & Wong and Devlin & Emmerich
> Message-ID: <5fochs$3...@news.csus.edu>
>
> Remember that hilarious monologue on "TOM SNYDER," where Ellison
> explained why he was *not* be working with Mr. Emmerich???
>
> Ebonics??
Hey hey hey, thank you for sharing that! That's one for my files!
Brad Ferguson
In article <19970320184...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
slid...@aol.com (SLIDER MAN) wrote:
> Please accept our apology for the Newsgroup message that went out
> yesterday, signed by Tracy Torme. He did not have anything to do with
> that message and knew nothing about it: when one of the staff saw the
> merchandise ad on the Newsgroup, a production assistant was asked to call
> Universal's Merchandising group -- he was told that the only SLIDERS
> merchandise out was comic books and novelizations, and that no one was
> authorized to manufacture and/or sell SLIDERS merchandise. The PA went
> online immediately, thinking a pirate was at work and the right thing to
> do was put out a warning message. Tracy Torme is out of town and that's
> why the PA didn't consult with him first -- making an executive decision
> that was bad. This PA's employment was terminated today, and he will be
> personally apoloziging to you and to the Newsgroup in the new future.
>
> We sincerely apologize for this grievous error.
>
> Tracy Torme's office
I hope this is some sort of hoax. If not, it appears that a person has
been fired for making an error in good faith, based on bad information from
the studio.
--
Stop by http://www.fred.net/thirteen/
--
Please remove XOX from address for e-mail
SLIDER MAN
Gharlane of Eddore
In <19970320184...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
This is humorously appalling. You actually had a PA in the place who
thought he was empowered to sign a producer's name to correspondence
the *PA* wrote? Without any kind of authorization? Kewl.
That kid will go far, but probably not in the industry....
(I wouldn't call it "grievous," exactly; more like ham-handed, unthinking,
incompetent, and embarrassing. "Grievous" is a term better applied to
most of the scripts.... )
S John M
20 Mar 1997 18:49:36 GMT, slid...@aol.com (SLIDER MAN):
>Please accept our apology for the Newsgroup message that went out
>yesterday, signed by Tracy Torme. He did not have anything to do with
>that message and knew nothing about it: when one of the staff saw the
>merchandise ad on the Newsgroup, a production assistant was asked to call
>Universal's Merchandising group -- he was told that the only SLIDERS
>merchandise out was comic books and novelizations, and that no one was
>authorized to manufacture and/or sell SLIDERS merchandise. The PA went
>online immediately, thinking a pirate was at work and the right thing to
>do was put out a warning message. Tracy Torme is out of town and that's
>why the PA didn't consult with him first -- making an executive decision
>that was bad. This PA's employment was terminated today, and he will be
>personally apoloziging to you and to the Newsgroup in the new future.
>
>We sincerely apologize for this grievous error.
>
>Tracy Torme's office
I can't believe you've fired someone over this. If it was the "well
meaning error" you've painted it to be, I have to wonder precisely why
the production company has afforded the actors, writers, and so forth
with the tremendous margin of error as been demonstrated thus far this
season when you've elected to terminate a less higher profile employee
over something like this.
S. John Mackey
Brannon "Ben" Boren
S John M <s.j...@juno.com> wrote:
> slid...@aol.com (SLIDER MAN) wrote:
>
> >Please accept our apology for the Newsgroup message that went out
> >yesterday, signed by Tracy Torme.
[snip]
> >This PA's employment was terminated today, and he will be
> >personally apoloziging to you and to the Newsgroup in the new future.
>
> I can't believe you've fired someone over this. If it was the "well
> meaning error" you've painted it to be [snip]
John, the "well meaning error" was to go on the newsgroup without asking
anyone. The firing offense was to sign Tracy Torme's name to it. THAT was
something I would fire anyone who worked for me for doing INSTANTLY. And
recall this is Tracy Torme's office, NOT the Sliders set - Tracy doesn't
work on Sliders anymore. This PA worked for Tracy, and signed his name to
a message he had nothing to do with and had not approved. The PA got what
his ill-conceived behavior deserved.
Ben
_
| |
| | Brannon "Ben" Boren
/~~~\ bran...@u.washington.edu
/ Rx \ University of Washington Chemistry / Pre-Pharmacy
(_______) http://weber.u.washington.edu/~brannonb/
Podkayne Fries
S John M <s.j...@juno.com> wrote in article
<333343d2....@news.atl.bellsouth.net>...
> 20 Mar 1997 18:49:36 GMT, slid...@aol.com (SLIDER MAN):
>
> >Please accept our apology for the Newsgroup message that went out
> >yesterday, signed by Tracy Torme. He did not have anything to do with
> >that message and knew nothing about it: when one of the staff saw the
> >merchandise ad on the Newsgroup, a production assistant was asked to
call
> >Universal's Merchandising group -- he was told that the only SLIDERS
> >merchandise out was comic books and novelizations, and that no one was
> >authorized to manufacture and/or sell SLIDERS merchandise. The PA went
> >online immediately, thinking a pirate was at work and the right thing to
> >do was put out a warning message. Tracy Torme is out of town and that's
> >why the PA didn't consult with him first -- making an executive decision
> >that was bad. This PA's employment was terminated today, and he will be
> >personally apoloziging to you and to the Newsgroup in the new future.
> >
> >We sincerely apologize for this grievous error.
> >
> >Tracy Torme's office
>
>
> I can't believe you've fired someone over this. If it was the "well
> meaning error" you've painted it to be, I have to wonder precisely why
> the production company has afforded the actors, writers, and so forth
> with the tremendous margin of error as been demonstrated thus far this
> season when you've elected to terminate a less higher profile employee
> over something like this.
>
> S. John Mackey
>
>
>
<rant mode on>
Here, here! Whatever happened to a simple "Gee, we're sorry as heck and we
promise not to do it any more"? At worst, the PA deserved a reprimand,
perhaps a day off. You TERMINATED this shlub for this?!
IMNSHBCO, I don't need an apology from the PA; however, you people owe the
PA an apology. Ever hear of "wrongful termination"?
Is there an attorney in the house?
<rant mode off>
Administration @ USA
..believe nothing that you hear
..little of what you read
..and half of what you see.
'nough said.
T.R.
Gharlane of Eddore
In <01bc36bf$bf6bd5a0$LocalHost@993110h>
"Podkayne Fries" <xch...@greenapple.com> writes:
>
> <rant mode on>
>
> Here, here! Whatever happened to a simple "Gee, we're sorry as heck and we
> promise not to do it any more"? At worst, the PA deserved a reprimand,
> perhaps a day off. You TERMINATED this shlub for this?!
>
> IMNSHBCO, I don't need an apology from the PA; however, you people owe the
> PA an apology. Ever hear of "wrongful termination"?
>
> Is there an attorney in the house?
>
> <rant mode off>
(1) The traditional imperative to listen to a speaker is "Hear! Hear!"
"Here, here," is a command used in addressng one of the canidae.
Please learn to differentiate between the two before posting again.
(2) Since the individual in question did NOT have a power of attorney,
he was not empowered to publish statements signed with Mr. Torme's
name. Since his actions could have seriously affected the business
and personal reputation of a legitimate, licensed businessman, had
immediate retraction and apology not been published in the same venue,
grounds for suit might exist. (Curtailment of business, defamation
of personal and professional character, etc.) Even without proof of
damage, a *punitive damages* award could have been considerable.
(3) NO ONE owes the P.A. an apology, because he went off half-cocked,
signed someone else's name to a published statement, and left his
employer subject to suit and chanced damaging the business operation
of a legally-contracted partner corporation.
(4) If the kid worked for me, I'd punch his lights out and THEN fire him.
(5) If the kid had had the simple courtesy to sign as a STAFF MEMBER,
and phrase his entry in a mature fashion, something along the lines
of, "As of this time, we are not aware of any merchandising contract
in existence with < X company >. Our legal folks are looking into
the situation, and we'll advise you in this topic as soon as we know
for sure what's going on." .....THEN there would be no grounds for
firing the kid.
As it is, he should be able to get a job at Paramount, since they hire
*anybody*.
On your choice of name: Heinlein heroines usually think straight.....
this leaves you a choice of picking a new posting name, or working
harder to live up to the one you've chosen.
Regards!
ArielBurn
<<John, the "well meaning error" was to go on the newsgroup without asking
anyone. The firing offense was to sign Tracy Torme's name to it. THAT was
something I would fire anyone who worked for me for doing INSTANTLY. And
recall this is Tracy Torme's office, NOT the Sliders set - Tracy doesn't
work on Sliders anymore. This PA worked for Tracy, and signed his name to
a message he had nothing to do with and had not approved. The PA got what
his ill-conceived behavior deserved.>>
Actually the PA was following orders from a higher source but he's just
being used as a scapegoat to cover someone else.
Brad Ferguson
In article <19970323073...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
arie...@aol.com (ArielBurn) wrote:
I'm not sure any actual person got fired. All I'm reasonably sure of is
that the Creation guy got a huge bug up his ass about this, and they had to
placate him somehow.
SLIDER MAN
Just to make sure all SLIDERS fans know where to buy officially licensed
SLIDERS merchandise -- buy it from BRIAN KUSHNER, 100% authorized and
officially licensed through CREATION ENTERTAINMENT. He has quality
products for several shows, including SLIDERS. There was an erroneous
"caution" posting from us and we want to right our wrong by repeating this
information until we're sure everyone knows that BRIAN KUSHNER has great
licensed SLIDERS merchandise and you can order through him at:
phx...@prodigy.com (TV Show Merchandise).
S John M
22 Mar 1997 10:59:59 GMT, "Brannon \"Ben\" Boren"
<bran...@u.washington.edu>:
>
>
>S John M <s.j...@juno.com> wrote:
>> slid...@aol.com (SLIDER MAN) wrote:
>>
>> >Please accept our apology for the Newsgroup message that went out
>> >yesterday, signed by Tracy Torme.
>[snip]
>> >This PA's employment was terminated today, and he will be
>> >personally apoloziging to you and to the Newsgroup in the new future.
>>
>> I can't believe you've fired someone over this. If it was the "well
>> meaning error" you've painted it to be [snip]
>
>John, the "well meaning error" was to go on the newsgroup without asking
>anyone. The firing offense was to sign Tracy Torme's name to it. THAT was
>something I would fire anyone who worked for me for doing INSTANTLY. And
>recall this is Tracy Torme's office, NOT the Sliders set - Tracy doesn't
>work on Sliders anymore. This PA worked for Tracy, and signed his name to
>a message he had nothing to do with and had not approved. The PA got what
>his ill-conceived behavior deserved.
>
>Ben
> _
> | |
> | | Brannon "Ben" Boren
> /~~~\ bran...@u.washington.edu
> / Rx \ University of Washington Chemistry / Pre-Pharmacy
>(_______) http://weber.u.washington.edu/~brannonb/
>
Regarding the issue of who does what, I suspect my analogy may have
been ill-conceived. Frankly, It's not something I really care about. I
hope the underlying message wasn't lost to my error.
S. John
.channel-2000
S John M
22 Mar 1997 19:18:20 GMT, ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of
Eddore):
I can usually appreciate your position, Gharlane of Eddore, but I can
no longer bite my tongue as I've done over the past several weeks.
It's not my intention to start any type of flame war, but...
I, for one, am personally sick of your exercising your presumably
self-appointed position as the Grammar/Spelling/Punctuation monitor.
It's petty and the only thing it ever accomplishes, at least in my
eyes, is demonstrating how necessary it is for certain individuals--
yes, I mean You-- to hear themselves talk (as it were). I have
absolutely NO PROBLEM with someone who's repeatedly making the same
error over and over to be admonished for it; your compulsion, however,
to swiftly showcase anyone else's supposed mistakes is excessive and
usually a waste of bandwidth. Several months back, I un-subscribed
from this newsgroup specifically because of your dominating and
condescending tone-- but I suppose that's a personal issue for me.
Regarding the topic at hand, which you've elected to assign a lower
priority as evidenced as by your itemization above, it doesn't
surprise me in the least that you'd take that position-- wonder why?
It's inevitable that we'd all mentally put ourselves in each of the
aforementioned parties shoes (you will excuse the cliche). In doing
so, I find myself wondering how I might handel a comparable issue with
one of my subordinates. In which case I realize, something similar did
indeed happen. Without going into great detail, essentially one of my
assistants submitted an unedited, unapproved report to a client. This
equated to my endorsement appearing on something that was indeed
inherently flawed-- which had to be retracted. We ultimately wound up
compensating the client for the ensuing delay. Professionally speaking
the circumstance should have never been... but, you know what, these
things sometimes happen in the real world. It was an honest mistake on
the part of my employee-- who was indeed acting in the best interest
of my company.
I could come up with many other "for instances" but the inherent
message I intend to convey is that it's much more preferable to simply
allow the members of your staff learn form their mistakes-- until you
have a "trend" of mishaps or worse yet a scenario in which an employee
*intentionally* and *willfully* has skirted policies for whatever
reason, there is NO EXCUSE for anything other than a reprimand;
anything else is short-sighted. Precisely what do you think
"experience" means?
Lastly, REGARDLESS of the situation and REGARDLESS of the issue, any
employee acting on my company's behalf has my support insofar as what
is disclosed to anyone not affiliated with us. Internal affairs are
just that-- should I have been the circumstance as we are now
discussing, my public announcement would have been brief and
general... something along the lines of "We've recognized the recent
inconsistency and hope you'll accept our apologies for any
inconvenience. We have take the appropriate action within our
organization." Specifically, the public announcement in this forum
that his employment had been terminated boarders on defamation of
character; simply put, it's really nobody's business but his and his
employer's. Period.
Regards!
.channel-2000
Gharlane of Eddore
In <01bc36bf$bf6bd5a0$LocalHost@993110h>
Podkayne Fries" <xch...@greenapple.com> writes:
>
> <rant mode on>
>
> Here, here! Whatever happened to a simple "Gee, we're sorry as heck and we
> promise not to do it any more"? At worst, the PA deserved a reprimand,
> perhaps a day off. You TERMINATED this shlub for this?!
>
> IMNSHBCO, I don't need an apology from the PA; however, you people owe the
> PA an apology. Ever hear of "wrongful termination"?
>
22 Mar 1997 19:18:20 GMT,
ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) wrote:
>
> (1) The traditional imperative to listen to a speaker is "Hear! Hear!"
> "Here, here," is a command used in addressing one of the canidae.
> Please learn to differentiate between the two before posting again.
The last line in this paragraph was intended as humor. Obviously, neither
I nor the "Communications Decency Act" have any business telling people
not to post on the InterNet. Since Ms. "Podkayne" evinces a command
of the language that places her in the top 1% of UseNet posters, again,
obviously, her absence would not be a good thing. After all, it's not
like she's some "AOL" newbie trying to learn to write complete sentences
in real time, and polluting our space, here.
I should have put a smiley here, but I tend to gloss over such necessities,
presuming that most people don't take me very seriously.
....<deletia, comments on the potentially horrendous fallout from this
kind of behavior.... I once saw a $45 million/year construction
business destroyed because an office assistant put a comma in the
wrong place, carried the figures through to the final line of an
estimate, and then signed his boss' name to it because the boss
was out of town. (Without any slightest form of authorization.)>
>
> (4) If the kid worked for me, I'd punch his lights out and THEN fire him.
I wouldn't really do this. I'm fairly elderly, considerably decrepit,
and relatively inept; I could get severely hurt disputing the ownership
of a bowl of Alpo with a toothless three-legged chihuahua, and have what
I choose to term an "enlightened appreciation of my own vulnerability."
(read: am a coward.) I'd just give him an honest letter of recommendation
that didn't mention why he left my employ, and escort him to the door, at
least presuming I'd gotten no legal fallout from his actions.
> (5) If the kid had had the simple courtesy to sign as a STAFF MEMBER,
> and phrase his entry in a mature fashion, something along the lines
> of, "As of this time, we are not aware of any merchandising contract
> in existence with < X company >. Our legal folks are looking into
> the situation, and we'll advise you in this topic as soon as we know
> for sure what's going on." .....THEN there would be no grounds for
> firing the kid.
I stand by this, as stated.
> As it is, he should be able to get a job at Paramount, since they hire
> *anybody*.
I stand by this, as stated. Presuming he can walk and talk at the same
time, the kid *has* to be as good as Jeri Taylor and Brannon Braga.
> On your choice of name: Heinlein heroines usually think straight.....
> this leaves you a choice of picking a new posting name, or working
> harder to live up to the one you've chosen.
This paragraph is relatively inexcusable, and it's one of those things
I wish I hadn't posted on the Net. One of the UseNet maxims is:
"Poste in haste, repent at leisure." I type about 150 words a minute,
think fast, and breeze through a lot of stuff each evening. This is
absolutely no excuse, merely offered in explanation; those three lines
took me about 11 seconds to type, and I was past them before I even thought
of them. I've been fond of Podkayne Fries since the book was serialized
in "IF," back in fall of '62, with illustrations by Virgil Finlay.
Finlay did a nice job of making her look like a nice lady, and it's a
good book, with either ending..... and I guess I thought I was being
funny. I understand it's not, and would take those 33 words back if
I could. All I can say is, please don't take those three lines seriously,
because they don't apply to anything in reality, and should probably
never have been posted on the Net. The Net can *do* with a "Podkayne
Fries" around.
In <333b01d6...@news.atl.bellsouth.net> s.j...@juno.com writes:
>
> I can usually appreciate your position, Gharlane of Eddore, but I can
> no longer bite my tongue as I've done over the past several weeks.
> It's not my intention to start any type of flame war, but...
>
......<deletia, 50 lines>
I don't agree with your position vis-a-vis fireproofing employees who
place the corporation's existence, or major finances, at risk; but
your other comments were pertinent, and I thank you for calling my
attention to my discourtesy to Ms. "Podkayne Fries."
I hope you will accept this posting as an earnest of my good intent
in the matter, and if Ms. "Fries" has any further complaints about
my unwarranted comments, I will be happy to attempt to address her
complaints by any means short of financial remuneration or honorable
seppuku.
i.e., "SORRY, Lady. Really."
-30-
Terry L. Smith
Gharlane of Eddore (ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu) wrote:
: In <01bc36bf$bf6bd5a0$LocalHost@993110h>
: "Podkayne Fries" <xch...@greenapple.com> writes:
: >
: > <rant mode on>
: >
: > Here, here! Whatever happened to a simple "Gee, we're sorry as heck and we
: > promise not to do it any more"? At worst, the PA deserved a reprimand,
: > perhaps a day off. You TERMINATED this shlub for this?!
: >
: > IMNSHBCO, I don't need an apology from the PA; however, you people owe the
: > PA an apology. Ever hear of "wrongful termination"?
: > Is there an attorney in the house?
: >
: > <rant mode off>
: (1) The traditional imperative to listen to a speaker is "Hear! Hear!"
: "Here, here," is a command used in addressng one of the canidae.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why, so it is. Got your attention quite nicely, didn't it? I
thought, judging from the "Before" picture on your LENSMAN Web Page,
at least, that you would be more interested in *_Felidae_*...
BTW ...since you are being so picky about proper usage, you
might note that the correct form is _Canidae_. It is Latin, and
thus italicized, *and* the initial letter of the word is capitalized,
since your (apparent) usage derives from the scientific system of
naming living things, _binomial nomenclature_. In this system, the
most commomly used parts of the "name" are the genus and the species.
The genus name is capitalized; the species is not ( _Homo sapiens_
is a familiar example). "_Canis_' is the *genus*, and thus should
be capitalized. _Canis lupus_ springs to mind, since you are being
rather wolfish about these minor errors...
Hope this helps...
Your remark about "Hear!" and "Here!" is *technically* correct - the
traditional usage is, indeed, a shortened form of "I hear you,
and agree." However... the language is always evolving... I've
quite often seen "Here, here!" used, in a context that implies,
"I'm here. Count me in!" (Sort of, "I know where you're coming
from, and I'm there, too.") I have also seen the usage (punnishment,
one presumes), "Here, hear!" I suppose that would translate: "I'm
here, too, and I hear and agree with you."
Interesting how idioms and slang evolve.... :)
Ummm... since you seem to be in Scurry Around and Excoriate Minor
Flaws in Articles Mode, may I humbly suggest that you might *nicely*
request that some of the folks to whom you habitually reply on
Other NewsGroups learn to format their line-lengths correctly?
You might suggest (in email, if you wish to spare tender feelings)
that their articles would be *much* more readable - and follow-upable -
*if* they learned to limit their line lengths to approximately 70 - 75
characters, instead of 90 - 100 - or more... Some of these
posters have been active for several *years*, and still persist
smugly in habits that make reading and following-up their articles a
real chore... Just a thought, mind you - since the "line-
length" choices seem *habitual*, while "Podkayne's" "Here" probably
*won't* be, and the "line" biz is a LOT more annoying...
Of course, you can always just re-format those messes into
nice neat little paragraphs, without saying a word - IF
the Original Poster is someone you do *not* care to offend -
when you reply... and then the rest of us can just piggy-back
onto YOUR re-formatted "quote," if we choose to reply... If, that is,
we remember to (and can) reset <alt.dev.null>.... Assuming YOU remember
TO reset to <alt.dev.null>, of course. Geez. I was gonna
reply to that one article, and I got so confused by you NOT
resetting to <alt.dev.null> that *I* set everything in MY article to
<alt.dev.null>. (Wonder why my article never appeared... ;-) )
Hey - maybe that article was a forgery, and the lapse regarding
<alt.dev.null>, and the marked lack of carping about the line-lengths
and other errors indicated *that*, instead of Profound Respect
or Lapse of Consciousness.... < chortle >
Just a thought...
: Please learn to differentiate between the two before posting again.
Excuse me? Mighty quick with the Official Gharlane Commandments
for Posting, aren't you? Geez, Squid - that's uncalled-for.
Please learn to properly capitalize and italicize Latinate
scientific names, before posting again. And please, if you are
going to be so picky (referencing an *earlier* GoE article, here)
learn that mammals do NOT *have* notochords, except in very
*early* stages of embryonic development. "Notochords" are a
feature of the most "primitive" vertebrates. In these creatures,
the notochord performs the function of the spinal column. In *higher*
vertebrates, the notochord of the early embryo very quickly develops
into the backbone. Your error was one of scientific fact, not
one of "English usage." Please learn to differentiiate which
creatures have notochords, before posting again. USENET will
be a much happier place, if you do.
: (2) Since the individual in question did NOT have a power of attorney,
: he was not empowered to publish statements signed with Mr. Torme's
: name. Since his actions could have seriously affected the business
: and personal reputation of a legitimate, licensed businessman, had
: immediate retraction and apology not been published in the same venue,
: grounds for suit might exist. (Curtailment of business, defamation
: of personal and professional character, etc.) Even without proof of
: damage, a *punitive damages* award could have been considerable.
If your assumptions are correct, your assesment probably is, too.
But are you sure that the person was not *told* to do as he did?
Are you *sure* he did not have Power of Attorney? Cite your
sources, please.
: (3) NO ONE owes the P.A. an apology, because he went off half-cocked,
: signed someone else's name to a published statement, and left his
: employer subject to suit and chanced damaging the business operation
: of a legally-contracted partner corporation.
Unless someone in authority *told* him to do it. Do you KNOW
that this did not happen? There seems to be a current rumor that
it *did*... "Vas you dere, Sharlie?"
: (4) If the kid worked for me, I'd punch his lights out and THEN fire him.
Oh, *swell*. Then it could be a possible *criminal* matter, as
well as a possible civil one. And if you worked for me, and did THAT,
I'd fire *you*. Yes, even if the kid had signed MY name.
Yeah, Gharlane ...that would go a real *long* way toward cleaning
up a messy situation. Tell your *blonde* stacked acolyte-crew
that they've got the Knee-jerk-Hostility portion of your nutrient
feed turned up too high again, will you? USENET will be a much
happier place, if you do...
: (5) If the kid had had the simple courtesy to sign as a STAFF MEMBER,
: and phrase his entry in a mature fashion, something along the lines
: of, "As of this time, we are not aware of any merchandising contract
: in existence with < X company >. Our legal folks are looking into
: the situation, and we'll advise you in this topic as soon as we know
: for sure what's going on." .....THEN there would be no grounds for
: firing the kid.
Absolutely true.
: As it is, he should be able to get a job at Paramount, since they hire
: *anybody*.
How do you know this? Have they offered you a job? Are we soon
to be treated to The Mountain's version of The Galactic Patrol,
scripted by the famous Brain-in-a-Jar? Sources, please... (And citing
B.B. is not sufficient ... "One robin does not a spring make."
: On your choice of name: Heinlein heroines usually think straight.....
: this leaves you a choice of picking a new posting name, or working
: harder to live up to the one you've chosen.
Hello? THIS is *really* nasty. What do you care, anyway? Evil
Eddorians shouldn't even be *interested* in such as RAH.
Gharlane, I think 'Poddy" WAS thinking straight - she just wasn't
thinking along quite the same *lines* you are. YOUR take on this
all seems to focus on the (probably) unauthorized signature.
I think maybe *hers* was concerned with the appearance that
here someone who actually *cared* about the people & the company
he worked with, was being punished for it. That had
the kid NOT cared, and NOT shown any initiative, and NOT
tried to protect His Company - then nothing would have happened
to him. He *did* make ONE BIG ERROR. But that's what kids *do*.
At lease he *seems* to have better "instincts" than the vast
majority of folks, who take NO responsibility or personal
initiative at all, and just expect to have everything they
want *handed* to them, even if that hurts others...
A much *better* solution would have been to put the kid on closely
supervised probation, AFTER yelling at him -a *lot* - with
explicit instructions that This Sort of Thing is NOT Done - and that
one more mistake *will* lead to immediate dismissal.
You must be well aware of the dismal failures of our
current "Education System" ... It's just possible that that kid
had never been *taught* that what he did was BAD BAD BAD - he
may have just been told "Answer it!" - and did so, to the best of his
ability, without any guidance at all. For all *we* know, he may
even have seen *others* posting under other names, without any
fuss, and have thus assumed that it was proper. Unless YOU know the
precise circumstances, and are willing to inform us of them, can
we please stop jumping to conclusions? Thenkyew...
(USENET will be a *much* happier place, if we do... )
The error was *big* - and damaging. But I think "Podkayne" was
thinking along the lines that maybe other factors - like loyalty
and concern and initiative (even if wrongly *applied*) CAN be
valuable - and should be nurtured, and *guided*. In this respect,
she shows the choice of her "name" interesting indeed ...remember
*how* RAH's Poddy behaves? Remember the way folks "get in trouble"
in that book? think about it...
: Regards!
Regards to you, too. And if you are going to fuss about the
way folks sign themselves, maybe you might want to remark on
folks who trumpet such virtues as Honesty and Justice and
Truth in their dot.sigs ...but don't care much about same,
in Real Life(tm)...
AND - Feel Free, Oh Mighty and Evil Squid, to pick apart this article
as you see fit... that's what it's there for, at least partly.
James B. & I & Adam L. have been around a while, and can take care
of ourselves. Cool it with the snotties to folks like "Podkayne," who
appear to be fairly new, but show a lot of promise. You claim to
post in order to *teach*. It that's so, you could be doing it
better.
Here's a few to start you out: "C'mell?" ...no, I'm not
*really* genetically a cat. "The Lady in Green?" ...no, I
*don't* wear green all the time...
You're welcome.
"I'm all the Education Act there is."
- Rudyard Kipling
"These were never your true love's eyes -
Why do you feign that you love them?"
- Rudyard Kipling
- M.Q.S., "Official Bimbo" for Baltimore; (SCOoF)
AKA C'mell
AKA The Lady in Green
AKA The Lilac Fairy
AKA LA Porca Rossa
AKA "Momma Molly"
and
AKA "She Who Tells Men What to Do (and sometimes they
actually *do* it...)"
_et al._
{{ ...yeah... so i'm a *spiky* little bitch... Your point is? }}
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| M.Q.S. c/o T.L.S | "Don't play with that! You have no idea where |
| tls...@netcom.com | it's been..." -- Speaker to Elevators |
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S John M
In these excerpts from <Re: Creation/Offficial Sliders' Merchandise
L>.
I think I'm in love.
Gharlane of Eddore
In <tlsmithE...@netcom.com>
.......<250 lines of deletia>
Does a nice job of evisceration, with the usual aplomb and skill.
Of course, since netcom's node was running considerably behind
again, "tlsmith" hadn't seen that I'd already posted an apology
the day before, or the hatchet job could have included the apology
as well, and made a clean sweep in one 500-line entry.
Nice job, however; I'm sure glad I posted my retraction and apology
*before* that thing showed up, because this way I'd expiated at least
a percentage of my sins before the Wrath Of The Spiky One descended
upon my sackcloth&ashes-strewn head.....
*grin*
Gharlane of Eddore
In <333cae0c....@news.atl.bellsouth.net> s.j...@juno.com writes:
.....< 250 lines of Pungent Eddorian Evisceration, deleted >
> I think I'm in love.
You had to quote the entire 250 lines of the MQS/"tlsmith" entry, just
to make a five-word comment? Have a heart, man, it was bad enough
reading that entry the *first* time; I assure you I'm properly chastened.
And if you're *REALLY* in love, I'd advise you to read Rydra Wong's
poem on the subject, "ADVICE TO THOSE WHO WOULD LOVE POETS," in the
first chapter of Samuel R. Delany's "BABEL 17."
....and then bear in mind that MQS/"tlsmith" is a poet, writer, artist,
and consummate technologist, with whom none of us can keep up.
S John M
In these excerpts from <Re: Creation/Offficial Sliders' Merchandise
L>.
> In <333cae0c....@news.atl.bellsouth.net> s.j...@juno.com writes:
>
>
> .....< 250 lines of Pungent Eddorian Evisceration, deleted >
>
>
> > I think I'm in love.
>
>
> You had to quote the entire 250 lines of the MQS/"tlsmith" entry, just
> to make a five-word comment? Have a heart, man, it was bad enough
> reading that entry the *first* time; I assure you I'm properly chastened.
>
>
> And if you're *REALLY* in love, I'd advise you to read Rydra Wong's
> poem on the subject, "ADVICE TO THOSE WHO WOULD LOVE POETS," in the
> first chapter of Samuel R. Delany's "BABEL 17."
>
> ....and then bear in mind that MQS/"tlsmith" is a poet, writer, artist,
> and consummate technologist, with whom none of us can keep up.
>
>
>
Right you are. I should have edited not only for the sake of bandwidth
but in acknowledgement of the peace you and I have found.
Incidentally, I'll take this golden opportunity to mention to everyone
who might have taken the time to read GoE's and my exchange previously
in this thread as well as other threads; I've got a tremendous amount
of respect for this author and-- even though the "tone" occasionally
rubs me the wrong way and I'll frequently disagree wholeheartedly with
his position-- can't imagine our forum without his contributions.
Now, let's argue about something else :-)
S. John
Hey, why not slide over to
.channel-2000
Terry L. Smith
: Does a nice job of evisceration,
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uh... no, that would be impossible. Disembodied Brains in Jars
don't *have* viscera. You're using the Notorious Nutrient Feed
for All That Jazz, remember?
I will, however, disemvowel you once again:
Gharlane of Eddore --> Ghrlnfddr
X X X X X X X
(Never knew he was Welsh, did you?)
: with the usual aplomb and skill.
"Aplomb?" "Skill?" Woooooo... Squiddie - your words have
thrown me off, a little. I feel all a-kilter! Can this be
the *real* "Gharlane? (Ghrlnfddr?) Ahhhh.. I'm getting *dizzy!*
ACK Help! I think I'm falling! < *thud* >
Whew! Lost my Plomb there, for a minute...["aplomb" - from the
Latin: _ad_ (to) + _plumbum_ (lead)... same root as "plumb" line -
a lead bead on a string, used to determine the perpendicular;
Pb - chemical symbol for the metal...]
Wait a minnit. Maybe he's saying my prose was "leaden." < humph >
Or he just wants me to get the lead outa here...
: Of course, since netcom's node was running considerably behind
: again, "tlsmith" hadn't seen that I'd already posted an apology
: the day before,
Yeah - it finally got here. That was good. Good for you,
Evil One.
: or the hatchet job could have included the apology
^^^^^^^^^^^
I *beg* your pardon. I would NEVER use anything so *crude* as
a "hatchet." I use only the most delicate and precise of tools,
constructed from the Finest Available Materials (metallic parts
crafted exclusively from SuperNova remnants), and imported from the
very *best* Lagrange Point Manufacturing Concerns around Arisia.
< double humph > [Joseph Louis, Comte de Lagrange, French
astronomer; 1736 - 1813] <French Accent Mode On> To do othair
would be un-beefeeteeng an "Oh-fiss-ial Beembo" such as _moi_,
_n'est-ce pas_? < hoomph > <French Accent Mode Off>
: as well, and made a clean sweep in one 500-line entry.
Clean Sweep? What's this reference to *brooms*? I thought I
was supposed to be a *spiky* little b****, not w****!
^ ^
: Nice job, however;
This is tongue-in-cheek, right, Mr Ed.? Oh, wait - no, that
can't be - you don't *have* cheeks, because you're just a Brain-in-
a-Jar...
: I'm sure glad I posted my retraction and apology
: *before* that thing showed up, because this way I'd expiated at least
: a percentage of my sins before the Wrath Of The Spiky One descended
: upon my sackcloth&ashes-strewn head.....
Okay. Your Wish is My Command. No, I think I'm getting that
*backwards*. *I'm* the one who is supoposed to command, right?
Isn't that what "Bimbos" do? Or is that "DEmand"... I'm getting
confused. (I haven't *been* an "Official Bimbo" very long, you
know... ) And *stop* that! You don't HAVE a head! You're
a *Brain*-*in*-*a* - Oh the heck with it.
: *grin*
AGGGGGGGH! The Curse of the *Grin*. My life will Never Be the Same
Again!
Well... for your penance, you may change your signature to
<ghrlnfddr@sackcloth-&-ashes.org> . (Hey guys - I think maybe
Gharlane's Tall Stacked *Blonde* Acolytes have turned the
Hostility Portion of his Nutrient Feed *way* down.... He'll
propably *flense* them, when he recovers... ;) )
And then he'll thrash Melissa (or whatever her name is) for posting
that stuff... How many of those *were* there? I kinda lost count.)
"There's a special sort of majesty to kindness. It's the best
part there is to being people."
- "Cordwainer Smith"
M.Q.S., "Official Bimbo" for Baltimore: (SCOoF)
AKA C'mell
Gharlane of Eddore
In <tlsmithE...@netcom.com> tls...@netcom.com (Terry L. Smith) writes:
>
....<deletia>
>
>: or the hatchet job could have included the apology
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I *beg* your pardon. I would NEVER use anything so *crude* as
> a "hatchet." I use only the most delicate and precise of tools,
> constructed from the Finest Available Materials (metallic parts
> crafted exclusively from SuperNova remnants), and imported from the
> very *best* Lagrange Point Manufacturing Concerns around Arisia.
>
>
<soothingly>
Yeah, yeah, riiiiiight, Lizzie, whatever you say.