FIRST GOOD SIMPSONS OF SEASON 8: HOMER'S PHOBIA!!
John Conaway
Man that was so funny! I wish they were all like that. Especially the gay
steel mill!!!
Andrew Scheer
You could not be more wrong!!! That whole show was stupid! There were no
jokes, only a couple of gags, and zero funny situations. Sure the steel
mill was funny, but the other 21 minutes were boring. It was sooo
predictable. The homophobic white male learns his lesson from a queer who
saves him. Who didn't see that coming? The writers have been producing
filth all season, with the possible exceptions of the Scorpio and the
Springfield files episodes, but this one was the worst!!! And not just
IMO!
--
Andrew Scheer
Jaystarrr
Get a LIFE! It's a friggin' CARTOON! And if it happens to expose a few
social ills (like homophobia) in the process alls the better.
Parasite
Yes, the ending was predictable, but was not the satirical nature of the
show clearly among the season's best? Homer suggesting that he would
make Bart as hetero (paraphrased) as Burt Reynolds was subtle yet quite
funny. And the linking of "masculinity" with hunting was another
brilliant stroke against the absurd notion of "conventional wisdom."
Yes, it is *just* my opinion, but, clearly, no other show on TV
challeneges social convention like "The Simpsons", but I suppose the
opinion of a "free-thinking radical" like myself wouldn't hold much sway
with Moe...;-)
Robert Tichacek
> The homophobic white male learns his lesson from a queer
His name was John. Is life imitating art here?
Robert T.
Doc Quack
Parasite <para...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Yes, the ending was predictable, but was not the satirical nature of the
>show clearly among the season's best?
Must be one of those personal things. The entire program seemed
rather wimpy to me, with personality flips, and no real satire.
>Homer suggesting that he would
>make Bart as hetero (paraphrased) as Burt Reynolds was subtle yet quite
>funny. And the linking of "masculinity" with hunting was another
>brilliant stroke against the absurd notion of "conventional wisdom."
>Yes, it is *just* my opinion, but, clearly, no other show on TV
>challeneges social convention like "The Simpsons", but I suppose the
>opinion of a "free-thinking radical" like myself wouldn't hold much sway
>with Moe...;-)
However, the only possible place that this show could raise even one
eyebrow is deep in the bible belt. The plot was retro-grade to say
the least, erasing personalities developed over the past seven years.
Was I the only one to find the Steel Mill episode condescending and
overly stereotyped? There are better ways to indicate gay than limp
wrists and prancing.
Doc
Thad Doria
Dave Traubert wrote:
>
> >
> > Was I the only one to find the Steel Mill episode condescending and
> > overly stereotyped? There are better ways to indicate gay than limp
> > wrists and prancing.
> >
> > Doc
> >
> definitely over the top stereotype, but I think it was just so the show
> could be more proactive and in-your-face.
>
> By the way, who can tell me the four members of "the Springfield
> Stereotypes" bowling team in the "Pin Pals" episode? ("Oh, how they
> begged me to be on that team" - Apu).
Cletus, the sea cpatain, the chef from the Italian restaurant, and
Willie.
eni...@whoever.com
>Parasite <para...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Yes, the ending was predictable, but was not the satirical nature of the
>>show clearly among the season's best?
>
>Must be one of those personal things. The entire program seemed
>rather wimpy to me, with personality flips, and no real satire.
>
>>Homer suggesting that he would
>>make Bart as hetero (paraphrased) as Burt Reynolds was subtle yet quite
>>funny. And the linking of "masculinity" with hunting was another
>>brilliant stroke against the absurd notion of "conventional wisdom."
>>Yes, it is *just* my opinion, but, clearly, no other show on TV
>>challeneges social convention like "The Simpsons", but I suppose the
>>opinion of a "free-thinking radical" like myself wouldn't hold much sway
>>with Moe...;-)
>
>However, the only possible place that this show could raise even one
>eyebrow is deep in the bible belt. The plot was retro-grade to say
>the least, erasing personalities developed over the past seven years.
>
>Was I the only one to find the Steel Mill episode condescending and
>overly stereotyped? There are better ways to indicate gay than limp
>wrists and prancing.
>
>Doc
>
I found the steel mill part absolutely brillant. Yes, it WAS indeed
condescending and overly stereotyped, what's your point? :)
The limp wrist and prancing were great. What ways would YOU suggest
that a cartoon use to present "them"? Depictions of anal sex? No,
the limp wrists and prancing will do just fine, thank you.
Heter...@al.sex
Robert, are you saying that you are queer?
Doc Quack
eni...@whoever.com wrote:
Actually, after much thought and viewing the episode two or three more
times, I've changed my mind. It takes an over-reaction to keep up the
humor at that point of the show. I still think it's perpetuating an
incorrect image, but that's MY judgement call.
Ways that I think would have worked? Ok, holding hands, dancing
together, maybe even kissing.
My question to you, why the "them"? Are you trying to
compartmentalize those with a different viewpoint, despite a seemingly
acceptance?
I might mention that I see as many "straights" engaged in open sex as
I do gays, (perhaps more) so you may want to rethink that next-to-last
sentence of yours.
(I suspect that we might even be on the same side, just
mis-understanding each other here. Wouldn't be the first
misunderstanding in the NGs! ;-)
Doc
Andrew Scheer
Thad Doria (do...@midway.uchicago.edu) writes:
> Dave Traubert wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Was I the only one to find the Steel Mill episode condescending and
>> > overly stereotyped? There are better ways to indicate gay than limp
>> > wrists and prancing.
>> >
>> > Doc
>> >
>> Have the stereotypes on the Simpsons ever been subtle? The Anvil was
>> definitely over the top stereotype, but I think it was just so the show
>> could be more proactive and in-your-face.
>>
>> By the way, who can tell me the four members of "the Springfield
>> Stereotypes" bowling team in the "Pin Pals" episode? ("Oh, how they
>> begged me to be on that team" - Apu).
>
> Cletus, the sea cpatain, the chef from the Italian restaurant, and
> Willie.
No, it was the Bumblebee man, not cletus.
--
Andrew Scheer
Jared Betnar
No, the original poster was correct, the Stereotypes consisted of Cletus
and the three others mentioned. Bumblebee Man (whose real name is Pedro,
by the way) was on the "Television Personalities" (probably the wrong
name) team, along with Krusty, Kent Brockmen, and someone who's face I
can't recall.
Jared Betnar
Thad Doria
Andrew Scheer wrote:
>
> Thad Doria (do...@midway.uchicago.edu) writes:
> > Dave Traubert wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Was I the only one to find the Steel Mill episode condescending and
> >> > overly stereotyped? There are better ways to indicate gay than limp
> >> > wrists and prancing.
> >> >
> >> > Doc
> >> >
> >> Have the stereotypes on the Simpsons ever been subtle? The Anvil was
> >> definitely over the top stereotype, but I think it was just so the show
> >> could be more proactive and in-your-face.
> >>
> >> By the way, who can tell me the four members of "the Springfield
> >> Stereotypes" bowling team in the "Pin Pals" episode? ("Oh, how they
> >> begged me to be on that team" - Apu).
> >
> > Cletus, the sea cpatain, the chef from the Italian restaurant, and
> > Willie.
>
> No, it was the Bumblebee man, not cletus.
>
> --
> Andrew Scheer
>
No, Bumblebee man was on the same team as Krusty and Kent Brockman.
Cletus was definitely on the Stereotypes.
Steve Shiue
>
> No, Bumblebee man was on the same team as Krusty and Kent Brockman.
> Cletus was definitely on the Stereotypes.
Anyone remember who was on the "Homewreckers?" Princess Kashmir,
Jacques the bowling guy, ...
Steve
"But Mr. Honey Bunny was YOUR beloved childhood companion!"--Lisa
Brewing Tea
>I might mention that I see as many "straights" engaged in open sex as
>I do gays, (perhaps more) so you may want to rethink that next-to-last
>sentence of yours.
What, in *public*??? Where do you live?!? To this day, I have
*never* seen anyone engaged in sex that was *that* open! Of course, I
live in the "Retirement Capital of the World", so that's a blessing!
Wrinkles... Ugh!
Brewing Tea
-Official Cool Person because my Mommy says I'm cool
-Official Member of some group you *must* have heard of,
right? I mean, *everyone's* heard of them, haven't
they? Come on! Well, just trust me. I'm cool.
-Author of "I need encouragement" by some guy who's
opinion matters. No!! It really does!
-Currently using the patented <name drop> technique,
just to remove any remaining doubt that I *might*
have *some* originality...
Doc Quack
brew...@suntan.eng.usf.edu (Brewing Tea) wrote:
>>I might mention that I see as many "straights" engaged in open sex as
>>I do gays, (perhaps more) so you may want to rethink that next-to-last
>>sentence of yours.
>
>What, in *public*??? Where do you live?!? To this day, I have
>*never* seen anyone engaged in sex that was *that* open! Of course, I
>live in the "Retirement Capital of the World", so that's a blessing!
>
Yes, in public. There is a "Clothing Optional" beach just a few miles
north of me, and sometimes in my walks among the dunes, I'll
accidently come accross a couple.... Last time was about two weeks
ago. If I'm near enough, I'll mutter a hasty "Excuse me.." and make a
hasty retreat.
Retirement Capital? Tampa? St. Petersburg? Sun City? Sarasota?
>Wrinkles... Ugh!
>
> Brewing Tea
Old age... who needs it? (I look more like grandpa on the Simpsons
than any other character.)
>
>-Official Cool Person because my Mommy says I'm cool
>-Official Member of some group you *must* have heard of,
> right? I mean, *everyone's* heard of them, haven't
> they? Come on! Well, just trust me. I'm cool.
>-Author of "I need encouragement" by some guy who's
> opinion matters. No!! It really does!
>-Currently using the patented <name drop> technique,
> just to remove any remaining doubt that I *might*
> have *some* originality...
Doc Quack
Jared Betnar
The "Homewreckers" team consisted of the two characters you mentioned,
along with Mindy Simmons and Lurleen Lumpkin.
Jared Betnar
Brewing Tea
>Yes, in public. There is a "Clothing Optional" beach just a few miles
>north of me, and sometimes in my walks among the dunes, I'll
>accidently come accross a couple.... Last time was about two weeks
>ago. If I'm near enough, I'll mutter a hasty "Excuse me.." and make a
>hasty retreat.
I envy you. Not because I am a voyeur, but you could have so much
fun! Walk around with a cup of ice-water, and the next couple that is
copulating... BAM!!! Doused.
What are they gonna do? *Chase* you? Naked?! I don't think so...
>Retirement Capital? Tampa? St. Petersburg? Sun City? Sarasota?
St. Pete.
>>Wrinkles... Ugh!
>Old age... who needs it? (I look more like grandpa on the Simpsons
>than any other character.)
I have nothing against old people, just something against old people
having sex in public. In fact, I have something against *anyone*
having sex in public!!
Brewing Tea
Doc Quack
brew...@suntan.eng.usf.edu (Brewing Tea) wrote:
>>Yes, in public. There is a "Clothing Optional" beach just a few miles
>>north of me, and sometimes in my walks among the dunes, I'll
>>accidently come accross a couple.... Last time was about two weeks
>>ago. If I'm near enough, I'll mutter a hasty "Excuse me.." and make a
>>hasty retreat.
>
>I envy you. Not because I am a voyeur, but you could have so much
>fun! Walk around with a cup of ice-water, and the next couple that is
>copulating... BAM!!! Doused.
You have a very naughty sense of humor!
>
>What are they gonna do? *Chase* you? Naked?! I don't think so...
I was caught in a delicate situation, in my youth. Had anyone doused
me with ice water, I'd have inserted that cup in a place the sun
doesn't shine, dressed or not, much to the em-bare-assed-ment of the
douser! :-) You might want to think about that before you go
tossing anything on anyone!
>
>>Retirement Capital? Tampa? St. Petersburg? Sun City? Sarasota?
>
>St. Pete.
>
>>>Wrinkles... Ugh!
>
>>Old age... who needs it? (I look more like grandpa on the Simpsons
>>than any other character.)
>
>I have nothing against old people, just something against old people
>having sex in public. In fact, I have something against *anyone*
>having sex in public!!
Heh, I think they have something against each other, too. Still, that
seems rather natural to me.
> Brewing Tea
>
>-Official Cool Person because my Mommy says I'm cool
>-Official Member of some group you *must* have heard of,
> right? I mean, *everyone's* heard of them, haven't
> they? Come on! Well, just trust me. I'm cool.
>-Author of "I need encouragement" by some guy who's
> opinion matters. No!! It really does!
>-Currently using the patented <name drop> technique,
> just to remove any remaining doubt that I *might*
> have *some* originality...
Doc Quack
Brewing Tea
>>I envy you. Not because I am a voyeur, but you could have so much
>>fun! Walk around with a cup of ice-water, and the next couple that is
>>copulating... BAM!!! Doused.
>
>You have a very naughty sense of humor!
Yes. Yes I do.
>I was caught in a delicate situation, in my youth. Had anyone doused
>me with ice water, I'd have inserted that cup in a place the sun
>doesn't shine, dressed or not, much to the em-bare-assed-ment of the
>douser! :-)
Ha! The joke is that anyone "caught in a delicate situation" that
gets doused with ice water is in such a state of shock for several
minutes, that you could have a drink, and *then* run away and they
wouldn't catch you!!
Not that I'd know or anything...
>You might want to think about that before you go
>tossing anything on anyone!
No, I think I would take the risk if I knew that there were lots of
naked people in my neighborhood just *begging* for a dousing...
Heh, heh, heh...
Doc Quack
brew...@suntan.eng.usf.edu (Brewing Tea) wrote:
>>>I envy you. Not because I am a voyeur, but you could have so much
>>>fun! Walk around with a cup of ice-water, and the next couple that is
>>>copulating... BAM!!! Doused.
>>
>>You have a very naughty sense of humor!
>
>Yes. Yes I do.
>
>>I was caught in a delicate situation, in my youth. Had anyone doused
>>me with ice water, I'd have inserted that cup in a place the sun
>>doesn't shine, dressed or not, much to the em-bare-assed-ment of the
>>douser! :-)
>
>Ha! The joke is that anyone "caught in a delicate situation" that
>gets doused with ice water is in such a state of shock for several
>minutes, that you could have a drink, and *then* run away and they
>wouldn't catch you!!
>
>Not that I'd know or anything...
I must also admit to a certain amount of amusement at the thought.
Still, I don't know that I'd risk it, because it'd be painful walking
to the emergency ward to get that cup removed. (Oh, and burn that
cup!)
>
>>You might want to think about that before you go
>>tossing anything on anyone!
>
>No, I think I would take the risk if I knew that there were lots of
>naked people in my neighborhood just *begging* for a dousing...
>
>Heh, heh, heh...
>
> Brewing Tea
>
Well, there aren't lots, but it happens occasionally.
(and if you inform me of any of your planned trysts, I'll be sure to
show up with a cup of ice water! St. Petersburg isn't that far from
me, here at Cocoa Beach. Muhahahahahahahaha!)
>-Official Cool Person because my Mommy says I'm cool
>-Official Member of some group you *must* have heard of,
> right? I mean, *everyone's* heard of them, haven't
> they? Come on! Well, just trust me. I'm cool.
>-Author of "I need encouragement" by some guy who's
> opinion matters. No!! It really does!
>-Currently using the patented <name drop> technique,
> just to remove any remaining doubt that I *might*
> have *some* originality...
OK, you're cool. Me, I don't worry about it.
Doc