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Mark Aaron Richey

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Aug 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/24/98
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This season, Fox has decided to stick OFF in between two new series, the
quality and popularity of which could affect OFF's ratings. So, how are
they?

"Holding the Baby"-There are an awful lot of new sitcoms this season about
single dads. If they are all like this one, that trend will die off
quickly (not that that's a bad thing). In "Holding the Baby", every single
character is a cliche, from the workaholic dad who discovers what's really
most important in life, to the slacker playboy brother, to the sassy,
sarcastic secretary, to the slavedriving boss, to the sweet, befuddled
nanny. It's all very, very silly. At least the baby is cute.

"That 70's Show"-Nostalgia can be funny, as this very funny new series
proves. Focusing on the lives of a bunch of teenagers in small town
Wisconson in 1976, the opening episode revealed that teenage life hasn't
changed much in 20 years, even if fashion has (thank goodness). A definate
keeper, even if it makes me worry that someone in 20 years will start
making fun of 1990's teenagers.

So, on upcoming Sunday nights, I will continue my year and a half old
tradition of taping the show following OFF, while ignoring the lead in.
"That 70's Show" is a worthy successor to "KOTH"

Mark Richey
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Klatuu02

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Aug 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/24/98
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> A definate
>keeper, even if it makes me worry that someone in 20 years will start
>making fun of 1990's teenagers.
>
>

hmmm..lets think about this in the 70's they made fun of 50's teenagers with
happy days,now they are making fun of 70's teenagers....no doubt that in 20
years theyll be making fun of present day teenagers.

AlmostPork

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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>hmmm..lets think about this in the 70's they made fun of 50's teenagers with
>happy days,now they are making fun of 70's teenagers....no doubt that in 20
>years theyll be making fun of present day teenagers.

Yea, they already do, Dawson's Creek, Saved by the Bell, 90210, "and...so
forth"

Jimmy Smitzenstein

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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Uh..your not very smart are you? They made films about kids in the
seventies, when it was the seventies. Its a very basic premise...a show
about people in the present day. What this fellow was talking about was
a show satarizing the youth of a particular era (most likely in an
exagerated way). None of the shows you listed do that. I wouldnt have
said anything, but you said it in such a caustic "its so obvious" kind
of tone, despite the fact that it was a very dumb statement on your
behalf. You really need to think things through before posting them.

your pal,
Jimmy Smitzenstein

PS: Im working on the pilot for "that nineties show". Basically its kids
listening to rap music and drinking clear cola. Sound good? Any network
execs intrested?

Ben Collins

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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In article
<CB7FB024AAC938F7.B68E5B03...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,

"Mark Aaron Richey" <c67...@showme.missouri.edu> wrote:

> "That 70's Show"-Nostalgia can be funny, as this very funny new series
> proves. Focusing on the lives of a bunch of teenagers in small town
> Wisconson in 1976, the opening episode revealed that teenage life hasn't

> changed much in 20 years, even if fashion has (thank goodness). A definate


> keeper, even if it makes me worry that someone in 20 years will start
> making fun of 1990's teenagers.

"Those '90s kids listened to that happy-go-lucky, sugar-coated grunge music. Us
2018 kids know what's kewl: this new style called "noise explosion," where
musicians throw guitars and amps at drums and see what happens. Oh yeah, and
there's this new explosion band called Vesuvius, where every performance ends
with a ritual human sacrifice of a randomly selected audience member. And
another band, Smallpox, where some guy sprays smallpox germs throughout the
arena. We can't forget Firebreather. They conclude the evening with a real car
bomb; burned down the Irvine Meadows Amphitheater last week.

"Anyways, my dad, Ben Collins, is really lame. He still watches this dumb
cartoon show called The Simpsons, and it's in its 30th season already. Don't
they know when to quit?"

--Homer Bartholomew Matthew Groening Wiggum Collins, August 25, 2018
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Ben Collins
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JEdraw

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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klat...@aol.com (Klatuu02) writes:
>hmmm..lets think about this in the 70's they made fun of 50's teenagers with
>happy days,now they are making fun of 70's teenagers....no doubt that in 20
>years theyll be making fun of present day teenagers.

The ironic part is that it will be the former '90s teenagers writing them!
As an addition to this theory, "The Wonder Years" was a show than ran in the
'80s and made fun of life in the '60s. By this logic, in ten years, we should
be seeing shows that take place in the '80s (and chances are "Saturday Night
Live" will not have updated its standard 'remember the '80s' routine . . . ).

Oh yeah, The Simpsons is the exception to the rule: a comedy that takes
place in the '90s and makes fun of everything! (Folks, this is a rare case of
an attempt to veer back on-topic that actually works.)

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Fester

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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I doubt it will ever have that sketch again. Jim Breuer, the actor who
plays goatboy is supposed to be leaving the show very soon.

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Dancer

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:03:43 GMT, "Fester" <mc...@home.com> wrote:

>I doubt it will ever have that sketch again. Jim Breuer, the actor who
>plays goatboy is supposed to be leaving the show very soon.

Please, he's bringing down the show (not that it can fall much
further). Goat Boy was funny for about 2 minutes, now its
just plain annoying.

Brad

JEdraw

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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Homer Bartholomew Matthew Groening Wiggum Collins writes:
>"Anyways, my dad, Ben Collins, is really lame. He still watches this dumb
>cartoon show called The Simpsons, and it's in its 30th season already. Don't
>they know when to quit?"

And, it's still hand-animated! Puh-leese!

>>>>>>>>>>
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Shatanzo

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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I turned off the 70's show after the opening credits. I grew up in the
seventies and like the shows and music from that era but the show was not the
least bit funny in the first few minutes. Did not have a grabber. Nostalgia --
who needs it!
" I
hate nostalgia." lou Grant from Mary tyler Moore Show

Ben Collins

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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In article <199808252144...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
JEd...@aol-msn-att.com (JEdraw) wrote:

> Homer Bartholomew Matthew Groening Wiggum Collins writes:
> >"Anyways, my dad, Ben Collins, is really lame. He still watches this dumb
> >cartoon show called The Simpsons, and it's in its 30th season already. Don't
> >they know when to quit?"
>
> And, it's still hand-animated! Puh-leese!

Yeah, totally. No real band plays their own instruments, no real restaurant
serves actual meat or vegetable products (that soy with gag suppressant is way
kewler), no real "live-action" TV show has actual actors (that
computer-generated actor technology rulez), and no real cartoon is
hand-animated.

> >>>>>>>>>>
> Jordan Eisenberg Krabappel Hoover Tifton -- JEd...@aol-msn-att.com

AOL-MSN-ATT sucks! Earthlink-Mindspring-CompuServe-Geocities-Seflin (both
subsidiaries of MS-Intel) is way better! It has AutoUsenet technology. No more
having to think about what to say; AutoUsenet generates a random snide comment
for every situation.
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Jimmy Smitzenstein

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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Meanwhile, you quote a 30 year old show. If thats not nostalgia, I dont
know what is.

Your pal,
Jim Smitzenstein

In other words your a hypocrite. No offence....you should have quoted
"freinds".

Gonigal

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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In article <35E3C6B3...@Goplay.com>, Jimmy Smitzenstein
<Clas...@Goplay.com> writes:

>>
>" I
>> hate nostalgia." lou Grant from Mary tyler Moore Show
>
>Meanwhile, you quote a 30 year old show. If thats not nostalgia, I dont
>know what is.
>
>

Well, it's obvious you don't know what nostalgia is. I listen to The Beatles,
Stones, & Who, among more modern groups. Nostalgia? I don't think so, I have
no memory of the time those groups were in their prime. Mary Tyler Moore was
made in when, the early 70's? But there's nothing about the show that screams
"Early 70's", the show could be airing right this minute and it would be
absolutely no different, except that Candice Bergen would be the star. It
takes more than something being old to be nostalgia inducing, it has to be an
artifact of the times (i.e. The Strawberry Alarm Clock), rather than timeless
(The Beatles).
-D.G.

Jimmy Smitzenstein

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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Im too tired to read your post, but I DO know what nostalgia Is. I was
just trying to be funny. Since we both laughed...mission acomplished.

Your pal,
Jim Smitzenstein

Paul Tomko

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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In article <199808242024...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

Klatuu02 <klat...@aol.com> wrote:
>> A definate
>>keeper, even if it makes me worry that someone in 20 years will start
>>making fun of 1990's teenagers.
>>
>>
>
>hmmm..lets think about this in the 70's they made fun of 50's teenagers with
>happy days,now they are making fun of 70's teenagers....no doubt that in 20
>years theyll be making fun of present day teenagers.

I say why wait? I make fun of 90's teenagers right now.

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Peter

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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"Do you want to watch The Simpsons?"
"Ha haahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Good one, pal! Best joke all year!"
"My grandad watches it!"
"And since when has using goofy names on a cartoon been funny?"
"Since 1989!"
"Bwaaaaaaahahahahaha!!! Hey, wait, man, Googluplin and Rufgish is back on!"
"What a goofy name!"
"You crack me up, buddy."
"Thats why I love you"

Erhem... it gets a bit hot there. I must remind you, those were a girl and a boy eating
boiled cabbage. They couldn't have been worst.

Cheers,

Hari

Alan Hecht

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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I'm still amazed that the 70s is nostalgia while i remember it as if it
was last week.


Jimmy Smitzenstein (Clas...@Goplay.com) writes:
> Shatanzo wrote:
>>
>> I turned off the 70's show after the opening credits. I grew up in the
>> seventies and like the shows and music from that era but the show was not the
>> least bit funny in the first few minutes. Did not have a grabber. Nostalgia --
>> who needs it!

>> " I
>> hate nostalgia." lou Grant from Mary tyler Moore Show
>
> Meanwhile, you quote a 30 year old show. If thats not nostalgia, I dont
> know what is.
>

> Your pal,
> Jim Smitzenstein
>
> In other words your a hypocrite. No offence....you should have quoted
> "freinds".


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GripGirl

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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>I'm still amazed that the 70s is nostalgia while i remember it as if it
>was last week.
>
>

People who were teenagers in the 70s are pushing 40 now, so naturally they
want to romanticize that era. I find that amusing. When I was a teenager and
the baby boomers were glorifying the 60s, they mostly had the attitude that
nothing worthwhile happened after 1970. Now a lot of people are claiming that
the 80s blew. I don't agree; I can't, because that was my teenage era, and I
don't want to make myself feel that I was shortchanged. But I'm sure that ten
years from now, we'll be wading through 80's nostalgia.

Mark Aaron Richey

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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Now a lot of people are claiming that
> the 80s blew. I don't agree; I can't, because that was my teenage era,
and I
> don't want to make myself feel that I was shortchanged. But I'm sure that
ten
> years from now, we'll be wading through 80's nostalgia.

We already are. What was last spring's top movie that did not take place
on a boat? "The Wedding Singer", set in 1985. I expect that within the
next couple of years, we'll see movies set and making fun of the early
90's.

Jimmy Smitzenstein

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Aug 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/27/98
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Mark Aaron Richey wrote:
>
> Now a lot of people are claiming that
> > the 80s blew. I don't agree; I can't, because that was my teenage era,
> and I
> > don't want to make myself feel that I was shortchanged. But I'm sure that
> ten
> > years from now, we'll be wading through 80's nostalgia.
>
> We already are. What was last spring's top movie that did not take place
> on a boat? "The Wedding Singer", set in 1985. I expect that within the
> next couple of years, we'll see movies set and making fun of the early
> 90's.
>
> Mark Richey

Cutting edge as they are, The Simpsons already did an episode making fun
of the early nineties. If youll recall "And Maggie makes 3"...there were
several rather clever jabs at this particular period in history, such as
the invisible cola crase, Dr. Hibbert's wacky hairstyle, and the...the
internet (remember THAT thing? ::shudder::). In the spirit of this post
Im trying to figure out just what makes the LATE nineties so dumb. Its
not too hard....just walk into any highschool and observe fasion, speech
patterns, and episodes of southpark stashed in there lockers. What we
need is another Vietnam to thin out THERE ranks a little.

Your pal,
Jimmy Smitzenstein

Now lets all sit back, sip our Mountain Dew, and listen to the
Wu-Tang clan.

AlmostPork

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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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>Uh..your not very smart are you? They made films about kids in the
>seventies, when it was the seventies. Its a very basic premise...a show
>about people in the present day. What this fellow was talking about was
>a show satarizing the youth of a particular era (most likely in an
>exagerated way). None of the shows you listed do that. I wouldnt have
>said anything, but you said it in such a caustic "its so obvious" kind
>of tone, despite the fact that it was a very dumb statement on your
>behalf. You really need to think things through before posting them.

hey retard, if you don't think these shows make 90s teenagers look like trendy
idiots, you are on crack you fucking asshole, die. And it was also a joke. I
hope you die from the sickest anal cancer anyone has ever seen. No, not
really, i just wanted to say that to somebody. I was just trying to make a
point that you did not understand. oh forget it

Jimmy Smitzenstein

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Aug 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/28/98
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AlmostPork wrote:

> hey retard, if you don't think these shows make 90s teenagers look like trendy
> idiots, you are on crack you fucking asshole, die.

Sure I do. Ive got news for you though....thats not satire. Thats almost
the complete oposite of satire. The original point was that maybe in the
future there will be a show satarizing youth in the nineties. To this
you said "there already is". The fact is...you were wrong. There
isnt...at least not in the vein of what we are discussing.
(the fact is there cant be one in the vein of what were discussing
without the use of a time machine but Ill just let it go)

>And it was also a joke.

Ok, so first you defend your statement...then dismiss it. I suggest you
not go into politics.

>I hope you die from the sickest anal cancer anyone has ever seen. No, not
> really, i just wanted to say that to somebody.

Thats sweet of you. Its nice to know somebody out there dosnt want me to
die of anal cancer.

>I was just trying to make a
>point that you did not understand. oh forget it

The sad fact is...I understood your point better than you did. I
understood it well enough to totally dismiss it. Im afraid your going to
have to do better than childish name calling to win an argument with me.

Your pal,
Jimmy Smitzenstein

Mark Aaron Richey

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Aug 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/30/98
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In the spirit of this post
> Im trying to figure out just what makes the LATE nineties so dumb. Its
> not too hard....just walk into any highschool and observe fasion, speech
> patterns, and episodes of southpark stashed in there lockers. What we
> need is another Vietnam to thin out THERE ranks a little.

>

> Now lets all sit back, sip our Mountain Dew, and listen to the
> Wu-Tang clan.

Don't forget, the latest Puff Daddy remix, not to mention Hanson, the Spice
Girls, and Celiene Dion, the Leo pinups, and mindless summer disaster
movies (where something explodes or attacks or falls from the sky or rises
from the sea or all of the above).

Mark Richey


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