[RECAP] WHY DOES EVERYBODY HATE "LISA THE VEGETARIAN"?
Dave Hall
Since this thread has been on-going for the last 5 weeks, spawning over
60+ articles, I thought a recap of previous follow-ups is in order.
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From: a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston)
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:00:18 -0400
It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one of my
fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some great Homer
(his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork chops etc. come
from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments and more. Certainly, it
was *way* better than atrocities like "Two Bad Neighbors" and "A Fish Caled
Selma".
What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
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From: gen...@cloudnet.com (Andy Hamerlinck)
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 04:29:01 GMT
a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston) wrote:
>What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
Probably because it centered around Lisa, not always the funniest character.
I, however loved it. The best part came at the very end when Paul McCartney
asks Lisa if she wanted to hear a song, and Apu ends up screwing up "Sgt.
Pepper." Classic!
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From: Brian Zeiler <bdze...@students.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 03:21:53 -0700
Andrew Johnston wrote:
> It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
> one of my faves
> of this season. What was wrong with it?
I thought it was hilarious, but it annoys me sometimes when they get
socially conscious. It's a cheap subtle ploy at personal propaganda, I
think, since they're just writers including their own opinions in the
plotline. But I'm not really knocking them; most shows do this at one time
or another.
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From: avar...@ix.netcom.com(Aaron Varhola )
Date: 23 May 1996 13:02:22 GMT
a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston) writes:
>It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
>one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one of my
>fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some great Homer
>(his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork chops etc. come
>from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments and more. Certainly,
>it was *way* better than atrocities like "Two Bad Neighbors" and "A Fish
>Caled Selma".
>
>What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
Lisa was used as a vehicle for Paul and Linda McCartney's ham-handed
plugging of vegetarianism, and acted wildly out of character to set up their
guest appearance.
Lisa may become a vegetarian in later years, but her behavior in wrecking
Homer's barbecue is so out-of-character, I call it "character rape".
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From: sl...@cc.usu.edu (Dale G. Abersold)
Date: 23 May 96 10:56:36 MDT
a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston) writes:
> It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
> one of my faves [snip]
> Certainly, it was *way* better than atrocities like "Two Bad Neighbors"
> and "A Fish Caled Selma".
>
> What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
Probably because it made Lisa shrill and unlikeable...this is the only
episode this season where Lisa's crusading made her unpleasant. In
addition, there was the hideous Paul and Linda McCartney infomercial.
One thing I did like about the episode: the "Pig on the Wing"
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From: mku...@wwa.com (Matthew Kurth)
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:48:28 LOCAL
a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston) writes:
Aren't you a dead ex-President or something? ;)
>What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
It's simple. Lisa was horribly out of character, and the last half of the
episode was a cheezy commercial for Linda McCartney's Vegetarian Meals. Plus
it was Executive Produced my David Mirkin.
What more do you need?
(Yes, admittedly the Troy McClure movie was awesome though...)
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From: kat...@aol.com (Kat716)
Date: 23 May 1996 18:00:10 -0400
I loved this episode. Especially the part where they show the Troy McClure
film on meat.
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From: trust...@aol.com (TrustElvis)
Date: 23 May 1996 18:15:34 -0400
I really liked "Lisa The Vegetarian" and I thought it was one of the best
shows of the season. How does Lisa becoming a vegetarian seem out of
character with her politically-correct, well-meaning, liberal, humanitatian,
intelligensia personality? It doesn't. Plus, remember the fact that she is
eight years old, and hold the qualities of a kid with having much more
intelligence then her father.
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From: mku...@wwa.com (Matthew Kurth)
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:01:43 LOCAL
avar...@ix.netcom.com(Aaron Varhola ) writes:
>Lisa was used as a vehicle for Paul and Linda McCartney's ham-handed
>plugging of vegetarianism, and acted wildly out of character to set up
>their guest appearance.
>Lisa may become a vegetarian in later years, but her behavior in
>wrecking Homer's barbecue is so out-of-character, I call it "character
>rape".
A rather graphic term, but rather accurate under the circumstances. This
was the worst case of the writers prostituting the characters for a cause
that I've ever seen. At least with the Butterfinger commercials you _knew_
they were advertising something.
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From: Richard Forester <fore...@blarg.net>
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:48:19 -0700
Andrew Johnston wrote:
> It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which
> was one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one
> of my fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some
> great Homer (his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork
> chops etc. come from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments and
> more. Certainly, it was *way* better than atrocities like "Two Bad
> Neighbors" and "A Fish Caled Selma".
>
> What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
Andrew,
You make some good points here and I agree with them. I don't know about
other people, but the reason why I really didn't care for this episode is
because Lisa basically freaked out and tried to push her ideals on other
people. I find Lisa annoying at times but this one really took the cake.
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From: qc1b...@ix.netcom.com(Jason Hancock)
Date: 24 May 1996 04:10:03 GMT
a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston) writes:
> It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
> one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one of my
> fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some great Homer
> (his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork chops etc. come
> from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments and more. Certainly,
> it was *way* better than atrocities like "Two Bad Neighbors" and "A Fish
> Caled Selma".
>
> What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
Even though it had some of the best lines of the season (most notably
Ralph's "When I grow up, I'm going to Bovine University!"), the reason
I didn't really like it was because:
1) This episode overhyped Paul and Linda McCartney's guest appearance,
and
2) Lisa was just TOO DAMN PREACHY throughout the entire episode. I
swear, judging by that performance, she has a career as a televangelist
ahead of her. :)
In my "Seventh Season Bests and Worsts" thread, I gave this episode two
and a half stars, or a B-/C+ letter grade equivalent. In other words,
it's a middle-of-the-pack episode which could have been A LOT BETTER.
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From: tko...@loop.com (Todd Komesu)
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:12:16 -0800
avar...@ix.netcom.com(Aaron Varhola ) wrote:
> a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston) writes:
> > It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which
> > was one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one
> > of my fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some
> > great Homer (his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork
> > chops etc. come from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments and
> > more. Certainly, it was *way* better than atrocities like "Two Bad
> > Neighbors" and "A Fish Caled Selma".
> >
> > What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
>
> Lisa was used as a vehicle for Paul and Linda McCartney's ham-handed
> plugging of vegetarianism, and acted wildly out of character to set up
> their guest appearance.
>
> Lisa may become a vegetarian in later years, but her behavior in
> wrecking Homer's barbecue is so out-of-character, I call it "character
> rape".
I also thought the vegie plug was kind of lame but the ep had me ROTFL
when Homer was chasing the pig and yelling, "It's still good! It's still
good!"
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From: Dave Liebesman <da...@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 02:56:36 -0700
Although Lisa was out of carachter, this was one of my favorite eposodes
ever, between the flying pig and lines like:
"A toast to the host who boasts the most roast."
it made me laugh harder than any episode this season besides "22 short
stories"
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From: dfe...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (Daniel Fredrick Etter)
Date: 24 May 1996 15:04:03 GMT
> >Lisa was used as a vehicle for Paul and Linda McCartney's ham-handed
Mmmmm....hammmm.
But the episode was more about Lisa's struggle to have convictions without
forcing them on other people. That was what she learned. Nothing out of
character for her at all. It's a difficult thing to perceive an injustice
and not want to correct it. Not that I really liked that part of the story,
however.
There -were- extremely funny moments in this ep that are as good as any
Simpsons gags. i won't belabor them here. There are plenty of others to do
that.
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From: Space Dog <t...@ecst.csuchico.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 12:52:10 -0700
On 23 May 1996, Aaron Varhola wrote:
> Lisa was used as a vehicle for Paul and Linda McCartney's ham-handed
> plugging of vegetarianism, and acted wildly out of character to set up
> their guest appearance.
Paul and Linda have a 2 min. appearance in the episode and they are made fun
of like everyone else on the show. Also, this is what I heard: After the ep
was outlined or written up, they asked Paul and Linda to do a voice-over.
They agreed. (So how is this a vehicle? The ep was decided upon with or
without them.) Now, yes, they did agree so long as Lisa would continue to
be a Veg. on the show. But, I don't see that as touting Vegetarianism.
> Lisa may become a vegetarian in later years, but her behavior in
> wrecking Homer's barbecue is so out-of-character, I call it "character
> rape".
It's not out of character at all. Lisa has always tried to force
her opinions on other people. She's an overachieving, politically correct,
eight year old girl. For example, in the Malibu Stacey ep she's complaining
about the doll and Marge complains that Lisa's going too far. Bart Holds up
a paper and says something about her making the family march in a Gay rights
parade. She's never been one to not voice her opinion and has not been
above trying to force her ideas for a long time.
If the ep was about anything... it was about tolerance. Lisa should
have the right to not eat meat, but she should respect that others have the
right to still, even if she doesn't. Homer should respect his daughter's
decision and not make fun of it ("You don't make friends with salad.").
Even Lisa got a taster of her own medicine from Apu about the cheese thing.
I've said before, I'll say it again... if the ep. preached anything or was a
vehicle for anything... it was for tolerance. And maybe about respect in a
few places too.
Tara
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From: Jonathan Helis <kb5...@popalex1.linknet.net>
Date: 25 May 1996 21:32:07 GMT
ktu...@intergate.com (The kinky turtle) wrote:
>On Fri, 24 May 1996 00:01:43 LOCAL, Matthew Kurth said...
>>
>>....This was
>>the worst case of the writers prostituting the characters for a cause that
>>I've ever seen. At least with the Butterfinger commercials you _knew_ they
>>were advertising something.
>
>Yeah... and Bart eating Butterfingers is more plausible and fun to watch
>than Lisa trying to get everyone to stop eating meat.
Now they are doing Church's Fried Chicken commercials!
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From: elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy)
Date: 25 May 1996 22:18:10 GMT
I know I will be flamed,but I don't care.I love that they made
Lisa(probaly the smartest Simpson)a vegetarian.I think its a wonderful
example for kids watching this show.
Colleen
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From: ktu...@intergate.com (The kinky turtle)
Date: 26 May 1996 09:01:28 GMT
On Fri, 24 May 1996 00:01:43 LOCAL, Matthew Kurth said...
>....This was
>the worst case of the writers prostituting the characters for a cause that
>I've ever seen. At least with the Butterfinger commercials you _knew_ they
>were advertising something.
Yeah... and Bart eating Butterfingers is more plausible and fun to watch
than Lisa trying to get everyone to stop eating meat.
I consider Lisa the Vegetarian, The PTA Disbands and Marge Be Not Proud
*noncanonical* WRT Lisa's character. Those episodes are just plain
wrong, and as far as I'm concerned, that's not Lisa in them. That's an
impostor. Maybe that Estonian midget?
the kinky turtle ("Qviet! Maybe I can get my seetizenship.")
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From: pet...@aol.com (Peteroo)
Date: 26 May 1996 18:55:12 -0400
:There -were- extremely funny moments in this ep that are :as good as any
Simpsons gags. i won't belabor them here.
You're right. Unfortunately, the episode's momentum is killed by the Paul &
Linda scene.
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From: wite...@access.net.au (Kim)
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 11:34:05 GMT
I wonder how much Paul and Linda paid for those adverts. on The Simpsons???
pet...@aol.com (Peteroo) wrote:
>:There -were- extremely funny moments in this ep that are :as good as any
>Simpsons gags. i won't belabor them here.
>You're right. Unfortunately, the episode's momentum is killed by the Paul
>& Linda scene.
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From: ma...@cbus.mindspring.com (Matt Davis)
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 17:51:57 GMT
I hated it because Lisa was all preachy and smug through the whole episode
and there was none of the usual just-in-fun vibe to this show. The moral of
the show was not "eat and let eat" as it should have been but instead it was
"don't eat meat yourself, feel superior to those who do, but don't sabotage
their meals". What a crappy lesson. I say it is a terrible episode. But
its still better than most of the other crap on TV just because it is The
Simpsons.
Then again I also hate it when vegetarians get this superior attitude like
I'm some kind of depraved neanderthal because I prefer the taste of meat to
vegetables and I see no great moral catastrophe in being omnivorous. "OH
GOD the pooooor cute little animals!!!" SHUT UP DAMMIT. What about the
animals who aren' cute? Why is it more OK to eat ugly animals than cute
ones? "LETS BOYCOTT TUNA BECAUSE THEY KILL DOLPHINS TO GET IT." Oh yeah?
What about the friggin' thousands of TUNA? They aren't adorable enough to
save? Hypocrites.
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From: elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy)
Date: 27 May 1996 20:33:23 GMT
ma...@cbus.mindspring.com (Matt Davis) writes:
>I hated it because Lisa was all preachy and smug through the whole
>episode and there was none of the usual just-in-fun vibe to this show.
>The moral of the show was not "eat and let eat" as it should have been
>but instead it was "don't eat meat yourself, feel superior to those
>who do, but don't sabotage their meals". What a crappy lesson. I
>say it is a terrible episode. But its still better than most of the
>other crap on TV just because it is The Simpsons.
>
>Then again I also hate it when vegetarians get this superior attitude
>like I'm some kind of depraved neanderthal because I prefer the taste
>of meat to vegetables and I see no great moral catastrophe in being
>omnivorous. "OH GOD the pooooor cute little animals!!!" SHUT UP
>DAMMIT. What about the animals who aren' cute? Why is it more OK to
>eat ugly animals than cute ones? "LETS BOYCOTT TUNA BECAUSE THEY KILL
>DOLPHINS TO GET IT." Oh yeah? What about the friggin' thousands of
>TUNA? They aren't adorable enough to save? Hypocrites.
I'm a lactro-vegatrian.Most of us love all animals,screw their looks.But
most of us don't shove it down peoples throats.I have in defense when people
HARRASS me for my eating habits.But not at any other time.
Colleen
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From: mku...@wwa.com (Matthew Kurth)
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 23:14:50 LOCAL
Space Dog <t...@ecst.csuchico.edu> writes:
> It's not out of character at all. Lisa has always tried to force
>her opinions on other people. She's an overachieving, politically
>correct, eight year old girl. For example, in the Malibu Stacey ep she's
>complaining about the doll and Marge complains that Lisa's going too far.
>Bart Holds up a paper and says something about her making the family march
>in a Gay rights parade. She's never been one to not voice her opinion and
>has not been above trying to force her ideas for a long time.
However, she has never resorted to destruction of property. Even if/when
she "forced" the family to march in a gay rights' parade (I question every
single bit of canon after 9F19), that was nonviolent and did nothing to hurt
or damage anything.
> If the ep was about anything... it was about tolerance. Lisa
>should have the right to not eat meat, but she should respect that others
>have the right to still, even if she doesn't.
The other point is, even though she's urged other people to follow certain
paths, she's always respected self-determination. And it's because that was
transgressed that she is out of character.
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From: jmay...@admin5.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Date: 27 May 1996 01:07:55 GMT
On 25 May 1996 22:18:10 GMT, Tuohy <elm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I know I will be flamed,but I don't care.I love that they made
>Lisa(probaly the smartest Simpson)a vegetarian.I think its a wonderful
>example for kids watching this show.
No flames here, but an observation: Sentiments such as yours - that
cartoons should "set an example" - are exactly what ruined cartoons
between the late 60s and the early 90s. Messages do not belong in
carttons intended as entertainment.
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From: thob...@cadvision.com (thobanif)
Date: 28 May 1996 04:22:21 GMT
ma...@cbus.mindspring.com (Matt Davis) says:
>I hated it because Lisa was all preachy and smug through the whole.......
Yeah I think that some parts in that episode were shit, BUT on the other
hand there were some pretty good part's as well...f
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From: guh...@nevada.edu (DAVE GUHLOW)
Date: 28 May 1996 05:17:05 GMT
Space Dog (t...@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: It's not out of character at all. Lisa has always tried to force
: her opinions on other people. She's an overachieving, politically
: correct, eight year old girl. For example, in the Malibu Stacey ep she's
: complaining about the doll and Marge complains that Lisa's going too far.
: Bart Holds up a paper and says something about her making the family march
: in a Gay rights parade. She's never been one to not voice her opinion and
: has not been above trying to force her ideas for a long time.
Quite correct. Also the episode where OFF was on the spaceship, Lisa
suspected their hosts of fattening them up to be eaten, only to find the
aliens were just being hospitable. Lisa was told that sometimes she is "too
smart" for her own good. She's been like that thru much of the series.
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From: timb...@aol.com (Timberize)
Date: 28 May 1996 16:43:12 -0400
Gee, I thought the Paul and Linda scene on Apu's roof was hysterically
funny.. Not preachy at all. IMHO
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From: ram8...@zach.fit.edu (Gary Russel /ADVISOR L. FAUSETT)
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:44:30 GMT
Richard Forester <fore...@blarg.net> writes:
>Andrew Johnston wrote:
>> It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
>> one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one of my
>> fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some great Homer
>> (his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork chops etc. come
>> from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments and more.
I also rated it highly. Behold:
The educational film
"You can't make friends with salad"
Apu's secret stairway behind the nonalcoholic beer
The McCartneys came out with their line of vegetarian convenience dinners
because they found chunks of meet in some of the others
etc. etc. etc.
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From: Kreger Farm <k.f...@sasknet.sk.ca>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:29:41 -0600
Gary Russel /ADVISOR L. FAUSETT wrote:
> Richard Forester <fore...@blarg.net> writes:
> >Andrew Johnston wrote:
> >> It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which
> >> was one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one
> >> of my fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some
> >> great Homer (his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork
> >> chops etc. come from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments
> >> and more.
>
> I also rated it highly. Behold:
> The educational film
> "You can't make friends with salad"
> Apu's secret stairway behind the nonalcoholic beer
> The McCartneys came out with their line of vegetarian convenience dinners
> because they found chunks of meet in some of the others
> etc. etc. etc.
I liked this episode a lot, especially because of the guest appearence of
Paul and Linda McCartney, because I am such a BIG Beatles fan. I also like
seeing George Harrison and Ringo Starr on the Simpsons. Too bad we'll never
see John Lennon, my favorite Beatle. BTW, does anyone else notice that
people who like the Simpsons also really like the X-Files? That's the
general feeling around here (Langham, Saskatchewan, Canada,Earth)
Wayne Kreger
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From: Brian David Lang <bl...@emory.edu>
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:03:41 -0400
I'm with you guys; I think the episode was one of the seasons best.
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From: bjwr...@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Brian John Wright)
Date: 30 May 1996 21:45:08 GMT
I think a lot of people disliked it politically...I found it rather
offensive that Lisa would become a vegetarian simply because she found lambs
to be cute. I mean, if you're gonna be a vegetarian, at least pick a good
reason.
-Brian
Peteroo (pet...@aol.com) wrote:
: :There -were- extremely funny moments in this ep that are :as good as any
: Simpsons gags. i won't belabor them here.
: You're right. Unfortunately, the episode's momentum is killed by the Paul
: & Linda scene.
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From: pcon...@ix.netcom.com(Kenneth Barsocchini)
Date: 31 May 1996 07:21:47 GMT
Kreger Farm <k.f...@sasknet.sk.ca> writes:
>Gary Russel /ADVISOR L. FAUSETT wrote:
>> Richard Forester <fore...@blarg.net> writes:
>> >Andrew Johnston wrote:
>> >> It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which
>> >> was one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one
>> >> of my fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some
>> >> great Homer (his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork
>> >> chops etc. come from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments
>> >> and more.
>>
>> I also rated it highly. Behold:
>> The educational film
>> "You can't make friends with salad"
>> Apu's secret stairway behind the nonalcoholic beer
>> The McCartneys came out with their line of vegetarian convenience dinners
>> because they found chunks of meet in some of the others
>> etc. etc. etc.
>
>I liked this episode a lot, especially because of the guest appearence
>of Paul and Linda McCartney, because I am such a BIG Beatles fan. I also
>like seeing George Harrison and Ringo Starr on the Simpsons. Too bad
>we'll never see John Lennon, my favorite Beatle. BTW, does anyone else
>notice that people who like the Simpsons also really like the X-Files?
Well John Lennon could be on the Simpsons if someone like Rich Little does
the voice.
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From: eda...@alpha2.curtin.edu.au
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 01:49:52 +800
Brian David Lang <bl...@emory.edu> writes:
>I'm with you guys; I think the episode was one of the seasons best.
Yeah, but even the very worst episodes are worth watching over and over
again, you get more out of them each time, and even the bad ones have
excellent lines. Greg
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From: dco...@email.unc.edu (Donna Coyne)
Date: 31 May 1996 17:53:46 GMT
Andrew Johnston (a.joh...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
: one of my faves
: it was *way* better than atrocities like "Two Bad Neighbors" and "A Fish
: Caled Selma".
: What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
Well, I can't speak for _everyone_, but _I_ hated it because:
1. It had lame old fart Paul McCartney and his no-talent
coattail rider wife Linda doing a thinly disguised (or
undisguised) commercial for Linda's TV dinners;
2. It took Lisa, who I usually think is one of the brightest
and most sensitive characters, and turned her into a whiny,
preachy, pain in the ass;
3. It had Homer apologizing to Lisa even though he had no
idea what he'd done "wrong";
4. The treatment of the subject matter was heavy-handed,
preachy, and unfunny. Compare and contrast with an old
episode where the Simpsons go to the ballpark, and Mr.
Burns greets them by saying something like, "Ah, Simpson.
Isn't it good to get away from the power plant and all
those contaminants? Now let's have a hot dog!" The
veggie episode took an entire episode to say what Burns
said more effectively in three sentences.
I must admit that I did like the shark eating the gorilla, though.
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From: qc1b...@ix.netcom.com(Jason Hancock)
Date: 31 May 1996 23:16:01 GMT
eda...@alpha2.curtin.edu.au writes:
>Brian David Lang <bl...@emory.edu> writes:
>>I'm with you guys; I think the episode was one of the seasons best.
>
>Yeah, but even the very worst episodes are worth watching over and over
>again, you get more out of them each time, and even the bad ones have
>excellent lines.
The best line in "Lisa the Vegetarian" was the famous Ralphism: "When I
grow up, I'm going to Bovine University!" But like I said before, the
episode was mediocre (granted there were worse eps this season, but I
already stated that Lisa was TOO DAMN ANNOYING).
Interestingly enough, tonight's syndie episode ("Lisa's Wedding" -- a far
more superior ep) mentioned that Lisa was a vegetarian. And this aired the
season BEFORE "Lisa the Vegetarian," even though it took place afterwards.
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From: b...@enter.net (Actaeon)
Date: 1 Jun 1996 15:08:31 GMT
I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
THEY'RE DELICIOUS
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From: elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy)
Date: 1 Jun 1996 15:47:16 GMT
b...@enter.net (Actaeon) writes:
>I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
>
> THEY'RE DELICIOUS
I'm a lactro-vegatrian,but I heard humans taste like SPAM.
Colleen
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From: j...@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Date: 1 Jun 96 16:45:55
> The best line in "Lisa the Vegetarian" was the famous
> Ralphism: "When I grow up, I'm going to Bovine University!"
=o= Call me a Grade-A Moron, but I think the best line was,
"You're not really going to swallow all that corporate tripe,
are you?"
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From: rich...@centuryinter.net
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 00:39:54 GMT
> b...@enter.net (Actaeon) writes:
> >I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
> >
> > THEY'RE DELICIOUS
>
> I'm a lactro-vegatrian,but I heard humans taste like SPAM.
>
> Colleen
Spam is nasty.
Me
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From: John Awbrey <jama...@posh.internext.com>
Date: 2 Jun 1996 19:37:50 GMT
avar...@ix.netcom.com(Aaron Varhola ) wrote:
>a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston) writes:
>>
>>It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
>>one of my faves of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one of my
>>fave ever Troy McClure moments (the class film on meat), some great Homer
>>(his dismissal of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork chops etc. come
>>from the same animal), good Flanders and Apu moments and more. Certainly,
>>it was *way* better than atrocities like "Two Bad Neighbors" and "A
>>Fish Caled Selma".
>>
>>What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
>
>Lisa was used as a vehicle for Paul and Linda McCartney's ham-handed
>plugging of vegetarianism, and acted wildly out of character to set up
>their guest appearance.
>
>Lisa may become a vegetarian in later years, but her behavior in
>wrecking Homer's barbecue is so out-of-character, I call it "character
>rape".
>
>Aaron
Yes, I wholly agree. Also, Marge was OOC in "Scenes From the Class
Struggle". "Character rape", as this guy calls it, has happened all too
often in Season 7.
Marge Starbrod
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From: elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy)
Date: 2 Jun 1996 04:49:16 GMT
John Awbrey <jama...@posh.internext.com> writes:
>avar...@ix.netcom.com(Aaron Varhola ) wrote:
>>a.joh...@worldnet.att.net (Andrew Johnston) writes:
>>>
>>>It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
>>>one of my faves
>>>of this season. What was wrong with it? It had one of my fave ever Troy
>>>McClure moments (the class film on meat), some great Homer (his dismissal
>>>of Lisa's statement that ham, bacon, pork chops etc. come from the same
>>>animal), good Flanders and Apu moments and more. Certainly, it was *way*
>>>better than atrocities like "Two Bad Neighbors" and "A Fish Caled Selma".
>>>
>>>What gives? Why did everyone hate it?
>>
>>Lisa was used as a vehicle for Paul and Linda McCartney's ham-handed
>>plugging of vegetarianism, and acted wildly out of character to set up
>>their guest appearance.
>>
>>Lisa may become a vegetarian in later years, but her behavior in
>>wrecking Homer's barbecue is so out-of-character, I call it "character
>>rape".
>>
>>Aaron
>
> Yes, I wholly agree. Also, Marge was OOC in "Scenes From the Class
>Struggle". "Character rape", as this guy calls it, has happened all
>too often in Season 7.
>
> Marge Starbrod
But people change,so why can't charcters change?
Colleen
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From: parts...@aol.com (PartsClark)
Date: 2 Jun 1996 17:21:00 -0400
Please don't use the word "fave" anymore, it makes me puke. Anyshoot, Lisa
was quite in character while destroying Homer's BBBQ. She has consistently
stood up for what she believes in, regardless of the cost. Her struggle is
quite believable , even breaking and eating a tofu dog mistakingly thinking
it meat.
As for Paul and Linda, I doubt the episobe was constructed to forward and
promote their view on vegetarianism. If you hated this episode then put in
a second season tape and stop evolving. with a little slice of cantelope at
the end:
jake
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From: min...@csd.uwm.edu (Rivas/Harris)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 02:21:49 GMT
I couldn't care less what Lisa eats. She just irritates me because she's
every former hippie's wet dream. The baby boomers want our generation to be
as politically and socially as involved as they tried to be. It just won't
happen.
PETA
People for the Eating of Tasty Animals
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From: mku...@wwa.com (Matthew Kurth)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:04:35 CDT
ma...@cbus.mindspring.com (Matt Davis) writes:
>Then again I also hate it when vegetarians get this superior attitude
>like I'm some kind of depraved neanderthal because I prefer the taste
>of meat to vegetables and I see no great moral catastrophe in being
>omnivorous.
Just explain to them how plants can feel pain too, and bleed... It's funny
listening to some of them talk. No matter what you eat, you have to kill it
first, it's that simple. Just because your ears can't hear it scream doesn't
make you any less of a murderer, if that's a person's reason for being
vegetarian.
Now choosing vegetarianism for thought out, personal health reasons is an
entirely different story. Those people have chosen intelligently for
themselves, and to me that's really cool. Meanwhile, though, I could use a
steak right about now...
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From: mku...@wwa.com (Matthew Kurth)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:58:03 CDT
elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy) writes:
> John Awbrey <jama...@posh.internext.com> writes:
>>avar...@ix.netcom.com(Aaron Varhola ) wrote:
>>>Lisa may become a vegetarian in later years, but her behavior in
>>>wrecking Homer's barbecue is so out-of-character, I call it
>>>"character rape".
>> Yes, I wholly agree. Also, Marge was OOC in "Scenes From the Class
>>Struggle". "Character rape", as this guy calls it, has happened all
>>too often in Season 7.
>But people change,so why can't charcters change?
There's a world of difference between character change and character growth.
=============================================================================
From: sl...@cc.usu.edu (Dale G. Abersold)
Date: 6 Jun 96 12:51:34 MDT
min...@csd.uwm.edu (Rivas/Harris) writes:
> I couldn't care less what Lisa eats. She just irritates me because she's
> every former hippie's wet dream. The baby boomers want our generation to be
> as politically and socially as involved as they tried to be. It just won't
> happen.
If all you notice about Lisa is her occasional espousal of various "causes,"
then you a missing out on what is enjoyable about her character...
=============================================================================
From: Ricky <rme...@cs.strath.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 11:35:13 +0100
Actaeon wrote:
> I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
MMMMMM Animals...
> THEY'RE DELICIOUS
But not as good as doughnuts or Bru-chews
(MMMMMMM Bru-chews)
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From: ia...@aol.com (IanS1)
Date: 7 Jun 1996 13:36:35 -0400
the vegatarian ep was one of my favs. i thought that the apu song was
classic. i think everyones problem is that they made lisa seperate from the
"normal" way of life
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From: taci...@gold.tc.umn.edu
Date: 7 Jun 1996 15:19:48 -0500
Why people become ethical vegetarians is an interesting question. I've been
living with one for 10 years now and I think the difference is one of
perception. Vegetarians do not percieve any difference between your leg and
a leg of lamb. Either way it is eating a leg. Someone or some thing's leg.
Since they would never eat a human leg (nor would you I hope) they cannot
bring themselves to eat any flesh at all. And when you think about it meat
is meat. We are all made out of meat. So the next time a vegetarian
declines to eat the sauce that was stirred with a meat covered spoon, ask
yourself if you would eat the sauce if it was Jeffry Dahmer's spoon in
there. I sure wouldn't! When Lisa saw the lamb in the pen and the lamb on
her plate she made the connection and her perception changed. I'm told that
many vegetarians have had similar experiences.
--
John Tacinelli
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From: parts...@aol.com (PartsClark)
Date: 9 Jun 1996 01:03:56 -0400
Stop using "fav"
Please!
jake
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From: parts...@aol.com (PartsClark)
Date: 9 Jun 1996 01:15:04 -0400
Everyone knows a Vegetarian or two. The ones that bug me are ones out to
evangelize their views or at the least, force you recognize them. I could
care less about other peoples religion or ethics, but it whould take some
effort. I have my own and the only one changing them is going to be me. In
the episode, Lisa the Veg.. she breifly becomes one of these Jehovea's
Vegetarians, that bad. But the point of the ep. is that she realised this
was bad . People need the right and freedom to discover and create their
own views.
If you hate this ep because your not a vegetarian then stupid. If you just
hate lisa then, You suck, you just plain suck. You're the suckiest bunch of
sucks that ever sucked! Just my opinion,
jake
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From: seei...@aol.com (Seeing Eye)
Date: 9 Jun 1996 13:09:16 -0400
I think that was the best Episode there ever was. I am about Lisa's Age and
i just beacame a Vegeterian. I am so happy with my self. I don't see why the
world has such a problem with it when it has nothing to do with them. ITs
not like we are hurting them.
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From: tm...@crl.com (Mark Anderman)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 96 17:31:34 GMT
IMHO, I have a problem with "Lisa the Vegetarian" because I don't like
episodes that appear to have been written around a guest voice. That episode
always seemed to me like someone came runnining into a writers meeting
shouting "Hey. . . we got Paul McCartney - start writing an episode around
him!"
The best Simpsons cameos are when they are totally unexpected: Bob
Newhart awkwardly stumbles into Krusty's funeral, Mickey Rooney is airlifted
to the treehouse to counsel child actor Milhouse, Homer runs into George
Harrison at a party (and then ditches him for a tray of brownies), etc.
"Lisa the Vegetarian" was funny up through the "when pigs fly" line from
Burns, but after that I felt like I was watching a commercial for Linda
McCartney's Meatless Entrees. In my opinion, this episode was the most
shameless commercial plug ever slipped into a Simpson's episode.
Nothing against Lisa or vegetarians, just a poorly conceived episode.
Just my $0.02
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From: elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy)
Date: 9 Jun 1996 17:35:06 GMT
seei...@aol.com (Seeing Eye) writes:
>I think that was the best Episode there ever was. I am about Lisa's Age
>and i just beacame a Vegeterian. I am so happy with my self. I don't see
>why the world has such a problem with it when it has nothing to do with
>them. ITs not like we are hurting them.
An 8 year old has just summed this up better than most adults can.
Colleen,a lactro-vegatrain
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From: axn...@king.igs.net (Greg Hanna)
Date: 9 Jun 1996 22:38:32 GMT
elm...@ix.netcom.co says...
>seei...@aol.com (Seeing Eye) writes:
>>
>>I think that was the best Episode there ever was. I am about Lisa's Age
>>and i just beacame a Vegeterian. I am so happy with my self. I don't see
>>why the world has such a problem with it when it has nothing to do with
>>them. ITs not like we are hurting them.
>
>An 8 year old has just summed this up better than most adults can.
>
>Colleen,a lactro-vegatrain
Listen, people, I think some of you are missing the point here. I have been
following this thread for awhile and I haven't seen any posts bashing
vegetarians (or lactro-vegatrains either, whatever that is). Those who have
posted seem to be making the point that the episode wasn't funny at all
after the first five minutes (which, I thought, were a pretty good five
minutes). Let's stop trying to make a political issue where there isn't
one, and get back to discussing the best show on the tube.
=============================================================================
From: qc1b...@ix.netcom.com(Jason Hancock)
Date: 9 Jun 1996 23:10:30 GMT
axn...@king.igs.net (Greg Hanna) writes:
>Listen, people, I think some of you are missing the point here. I have been
>following this thread for awhile and I haven't seen any posts bashing
>vegetarians (or lactro-vegatrains either, whatever that is). Those who have
>posted seem to be making the point that the episode wasn't funny at all
>after the first five minutes (which, I thought, were a pretty good five
>minutes). Let's stop trying to make a political issue where there isn't
>one, and get back to discussing the best show on the tube.
I agree. Those who have complained about this episode sure didn't complain
about the concept of vegetarianism or Lisa's decision to be one. I'm not a
vegetarian, but I don't criticize people who are. Going back to square one
here, the real complaints about this episode are (1) Lisa being out of
character with her preaching (which annoyed me to death) and (2) the
McCartneys' cameo which was simply an ad for Linda McCartney's vegetarian
meals.
=============================================================================
From: "Yes, the Hansens" <han...@passport.ca>
Date: 10 Jun 1996 03:58:49 GMT
tm...@crl.com (Mark Anderman) wrote:
> IMHO, I have a problem with "Lisa the Vegetarian" because I don't like
>episodes that appear to have been written around a guest voice. That episode
>always seemed to me like someone came runnining into a writers meeting
>shouting "Hey. . . we got Paul McCartney - start writing an episode around
>him!"
Quite true, but how can you not like that "Meat Marketing Board" film with
Troy McClure (the one with the cows being processed) - that was an absolute
classic!!! I though it was the funniest Troy McClure spot yet!
And when Homer says to Dr. Hibberd: "I've got the prescription for you
doctor, another hot beef injection!"
On the whole though, I have to say that this was one of my favourite
episodes - it was one of the few that became absolutely loony at times. But
I have to admit that the Paul and Linda McCartney spot was a little stupid.
Thomas
=============================================================================
From: tick...@europa.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:23:58 GMT
On 1 Jun 1996 15:47:16 GMT, elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy) wrote:
>In <4opmdf$j...@news.enter.net> b...@enter.net (Actaeon) writes:
>>I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
>>
>> THEY'RE DELICIOUS
>
>I'm a lactro-vegatrian,but I heard humans taste like SPAM.
>
>Colleen
what the hell is a "lactro-vegitarian"??? you may mean "lacto-vegitarian"!!
=============================================================================
From: tick...@europa.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:24:00 GMT
On 1 Jun 1996 15:47:16 GMT, elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy) wrote:
>In <4opmdf$j...@news.enter.net> b...@enter.net (Actaeon) writes:
>>I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
>>
>> THEY'RE DELICIOUS
>>
>I'm a lactro-vegatrian,but I heard humans taste like SPAM.
>
>Colleen
humans would taste like SPAM only if they were liquified, spiced, then
congealed.
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From: tick...@europa.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:24:02 GMT
min...@csd.uwm.edu (Rivas/Harris) wrote:
>I couldn't care less what Lisa eats. She just irritates me because she's
>every former hippie's wet dream. The baby boomers want our generation to be
>as politically and socially as involved as they tried to be. It just won't
>happen.
>
>PETA
>People for the Eating of Tasty Animals
1. the show is a parady of life. almost nothing on the Simpsons will ever
actually happen.
2. Not everyone from generation X is like Bart. Some kids will be Bart, some
will be Lisa, most will be somewhere in the middle. This show does a good
job in its role as a lampoon in portraying both of the extremes.
=============================================================================
From: jmay...@k5zc.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Date: 10 Jun 1996 14:21:52 GMT
On 9 Jun 1996 13:09:16 -0400, Seeing Eye <seei...@aol.com> wrote:
>I think that was the best Episode there ever was. I am about Lisa's Age
>and i just beacame a Vegeterian. I am so happy with my self. I don't see
>why the world has such a problem with it when it has nothing to do with
>them. ITs not like we are hurting them.
At least for me, it's not that Lisa became a vegetarian that bothered me: I
found that entirely believable. What I found unbelievable is the way in
which she evangelized her new-found beliefs. That's just not Lisa's way.
=============================================================================
From: D-Hol...@tamu.edu (Danny Holwerda)
Date: 10 Jun 1996 14:56:04 GMT
"Yes, the Hansens" <han...@passport.ca> wrote:
> Quite true, but how can you not like that "Meat Marketing Board" film with
> Troy McClure (the one with the cows being processed) - that was an
> absolute classic!!! I though it was the funniest Troy McClure spot yet!
>
> And when Homer says to Dr. Hibberd: "I've got the prescription for you
> doctor, another hot beef injection!"
> Thomas
Also,one of my favorite lines/scenarios of all time was in the episode. When
the teachers push the "Independent Thought Alarm" button,and it sends an
alert to Principal Skinner's office. After the second one, PS makes some
comment like,"Why that's two independent thoughts today! We'd better start
drugging the cafeteria food." Or something like that. The whole scenario was
pretty much indicative of my experiences in public education. Teachers are
supposed to teach you to think for yourself,but they get scared when you
actually do.
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From: D-Hol...@tamu.edu (Danny Holwerda)
Date: 10 Jun 1996 14:59:37 GMT
tick...@europa.com wrote:
> On 1 Jun 1996 15:47:16 GMT, elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy) wrote:
> >In <4opmdf$j...@news.enter.net> b...@enter.net (Actaeon) writes:
> >>I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
> >>
> >> THEY'RE DELICIOUS
> >
> >I'm a lactro-vegatrian,but I heard humans taste like SPAM.
> >
> >Colleen
>
> humans would taste like SPAM only if they were liquified, spiced, then
> congealed.
Actually, I've also heard that humans taste like SPAM. Something about how
when missionaries reached areas where cannibalism was practiced, many
natives wanted to convert but didn't want to give up the practice of eating
human flesh. When they discovered the SPAM in the missionaries' food
supplies,though, they were willing to go ahead with the conversion, because
it tasted almost the same. In the words of Dave Barry, I am not making this
up.
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From: hag...@pitt.edu (Herschel A Gelman)
Date: 11 Jun 1996 01:22:16 GMT
Jason Hancock (qc1b...@ix.netcom.com) had written:
| Going back to square one here, the real complaints about this episode
| are (1) Lisa being out of character with her preaching (which annoyed
| me to death) and (2) the McCartneys' cameo which was simply an ad for
| Linda McCartney's vegetarian meals.
I'd agree with those complaints, but I still think that it's one of the
funniest episodes. As long as you ignore the whole ending, with Paul and
Linda...
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From: Jean Westley <mer...@winternet.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:27:44 -0600
tick...@europa.com wrote:
> elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy) wrote:
> >In <4opmdf$j...@news.enter.net> b...@enter.net (Actaeon) writes:
> >>I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
> >> THEY'RE DELICIOUS
> >>
> >I'm a lactro-vegatrian,but I heard humans taste like SPAM.
> >Colleen
>
> humans would taste like SPAM only if they were liquified, spiced, then
> congealed.
Conan O'Brien joke during an "In the Year 2000" bit 'Late Night' aired
sometime last year:
"Angels will be found living in a remote mountain valley in Colorado. They
will taste like chicken."
=============================================================================
From: mse...@apk.net (Matt Sepic)
Date: 10 Jun 1996 20:48:11 GMT
Jean Westley <mer...@winternet.com> wrote:
> tick...@europa.com wrote:
>> On 1 Jun 1996 15:47:16 GMT, elm...@ix.netcom.com(Tuohy) wrote:
>> >In <4opmdf$j...@news.enter.net> b...@enter.net (Actaeon) writes:
>> >>I LOVE ANIMALS. . .
>> >> THEY'RE DELICIOUS
>> >
>> >I'm a lactro-vegatrian,but I heard humans taste like SPAM.
>> >Colleen
>>
>> humans would taste like SPAM only if they were liquified, spiced, then
>> congealed.
>
> Conan O'Brien joke during an "In the Year 2000" bit 'Late Night'
> aired sometime last year:
>
> "Angels will be found living in a remote mountain valley in
> Colorado. They will taste like chicken."
I like "Lisa the Vegetarian" The episode is one of my favorites, though I'm
not a vegetarian. My favorite parts of the episode are the "Independent
Thought Alarm," and "Bovine University." However, in order to get Paul &
Linda McCartney as guests, the writers made the script a bit too preachy.
=============================================================================
From: ge...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Geoffrey Matters)
Date: 12 Jun 1996 08:09:36 GMT
Danny Holwerda wrote:
>"Yes, the Hansens" <han...@passport.ca> wrote:
>> Quite true, but how can you not like that "Meat Marketing Board" film with
>> Troy McClure (the one with the cows being processed) - that was an
>> absolute classic!!! I though it was the funniest Troy McClure spot yet!
Troy Mcclure - "Now lets move on to the killing floor."
Young Boy - "Huh?"
T.M. - "Oh, don't let the name fool you. It's not really a floor, it's a
grate so that the juices can sluice through and be exported."
>Also,one of my favorite lines/scenarios of all time was in the episode.
>When the teachers push the "Independent Thought Alarm" button,and it sends
>an alert to Principal Skinner's office. After the second one, PS makes
>some comment like,"Why that's two independent thoughts today! We'd better
>start drugging the cafeteria food." Or something like that.
Skinner - "Hmm.. that's two Independant Thought Alarms in one day...
maybe that colored chalk WAS a bad idea."
Willie - "Ah told you, the COLORED CHALK was FORGED by LUCIFER himself!"
=============================================================================
From: John Martin <z7...@ttacs.ttu.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:19:18 -0700
Herschel A Gelman wrote:
> Jason Hancock (qc1b...@ix.netcom.com) had written:
> | Going back to square one here, the real complaints about this episode
> | are (1) Lisa being out of character with her preaching (which annoyed
> | me to death) and (2) the McCartneys' cameo which was simply an ad for
> | Linda McCartney's vegetarian meals.
>
> I'd agree with those complaints, but I still think that it's one of the
> funniest episodes. As long as you ignore the whole ending, with Paul and
> Linda...
I agree. The first two parts were EXTREMELY funny. But the last part was
way too preachy and had a blatant plug for crappy products sold by the least
talented tambourine player in the world, Linda McCartney.
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From: brew...@suntan.eng.usf.edu (Brewing Tea)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:40:30 GMT
>Andrew Johnston wrote:
>> It seems like a lot of people here hated "Lisa The Vegetarian", which was
>> one of my faves
>> of this season. What was wrong with it?
It was extremely similar to the episode where Homer steals cable.
Lisa protests the theft, and she ends up standing up for what she
believes in, just like in "Lisa the Vegetarian."
I liked both episodes...
=============================================================================
From: brew...@suntan.eng.usf.edu (Brewing Tea)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 04:42:39 GMT
>Also,one of my favorite lines/scenarios of all time was in the episode.
>When the teachers push the "Independent Thought Alarm" button,and it sends
>an alert to Principal Skinner's office. After the second one, PS makes
>some comment like,"Why that's two independent thoughts today! We'd better
>start drugging the cafeteria food."
It was: "Why that's two independent thought alarms in one day! The
students are over-stimulated. Willy, remove the colored chalk from
the classrooms."
Groundskeeper Willy: "I warned you about that colored chalk!! Didn't
I warn you?!?! That chalk was forged by Lucifer himself!!!!!"
=============================================================================
``There's only one way to settle this -- Rock-paper-scissors.''
-- Lisa Simpson
ERIC BECK
A few more things about "Lisa the Vegetarian:"
1. It was completely in character. Think about other episodes where she
has taken on "Bart-like" qualities, such as the sabotage of her rival's
science project.
2. It has what may possibly be my favorite Simpsons moment of all time:
the acknowledgment of Chief Wiggums pig like nose with the shot of him
and the pig. The Chief chuckles, "Heh...look at his nose." So subtle that
I didn't catch it until my second viewing.
3. Lisa's thought process when she is getting nauseated. She envisions a
wiener which is comprised of a squirrel and a shoe, among other
disgusting things (not unlike real hot dogs).
Btw, I am not a vegitarian but I did not get as defensive as some. It's
just a cartoon, people (thought one with amazing points to make about our
society...like the recurring illustrations of mob mentality.).
Laters,
Kenny
Rameses Niblick the Third
The only good thing about that ep that i remember is...
Troy Mclure: And now we go on to the slaughtering floor. Which isn't really a
proper name because it's more of a grating than a floor!
Rameses Niblick the Third Kerplunk Kerplunk Whoops Where's my thribble.
bija...@freenet.hut.fi http://skynet.ul.ie/~colm
"Better dead than smeg!"
Billy & Julia Wiggins
Yes, "Lisa The Vegetarian" was preachy but contained many classic lines,
two of which NOBODY has mentioned yet!
Lisa: What if somebody asks for a non-alcoholic beer?
Apu: You know, it has never come up!
and Dr. Hibberd's reaction to the hot dog:
"Diagnosis: Delicious!"
--Billy W. <na...@globalent.net>
Jamie W Bradburn
What got me about that episode was how creepy the lamb that Lisa
envisions was. Anybody else think so?
Diego Hadis
Billy & Julia Wiggins (na...@globalent.net) wrote:
: Yes, "Lisa The Vegetarian" was preachy but contained many classic lines,
: Lisa: What if somebody asks for a non-alcoholic beer?
: Apu: You know, it has never come up!
: and Dr. Hibberd's reaction to the hot dog:
: "Diagnosis: Delicious!"
And Homer asking Chief Wiggum if he wants "Another hot beef injection".
Classic. And subtle. Sort of.
Diego
: --Billy W. <na...@globalent.net>
Dave Hall
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to fit.
MARSHALGER
The question to "why does everyone hate Lisa the vegetarian?" Is best
answered thusly-,and I quote-"You can't win friends with salad"
The End
MachineCog
>The question to "why does everyone hate Lisa the vegetarian?" Is best
>answered thusly-,and I quote-"You can't win friends with salad"
>The End
Agreed, but it's "You can't MAKE friends with salad," i.e. you can make
friends with the cows or pigs from whence come meat entrees, but not with
vegetables. An important distinction, methinks. Sorry if that sounds
nitpicky.
-Machine
Brian John Wright
MARSHALGER (marsh...@aol.com) wrote:
: The question to "why does everyone hate Lisa the vegetarian?" Is best
: answered thusly-,and I quote-"You can't win friends with salad"
: The End
I think a lot of people hated that one because a lot of people hate
vegetarians in the first place (I myself do not, but I can see why
someone wouldn't be able to stand someone who feels so self-righteous and
morally superior that they won't even take the liberty of eating a burger
here and there......mmmm.....burgers.....).
-Brian
Lisa Simpson
Being a veg myself, I absolutely loved the episode, but I know plenty of omnivores
that loved it too. If someone's already predisposed to hating vegetarians, then they
can't really judge the episode objectively, can they? (I'm not saying I can either, btw).
If I recall the debate here that followed it's original airdate, I think the consensus was
that the first 20 minutes were great, then things fell apart in Apu's garden. Lisa the
Veg is still one of my faves, though, in spite of Linda's commercial.
We got beets!
Christine
Brian John Wright
From: bjwr...@wsp.acs.ucalgary.ca (Brian John Wright)
Subject: Re: WHY DOES EVERYBODY HATE "LISA THE VEGETARIAN"?
Organization: The University of Calgary
MARSHALGER (marsh...@aol.com) wrote:
: The question to "why does everyone hate Lisa the vegetarian?" Is best
: answered thusly-,and I quote-"You can't win friends with salad"
: The End
I think a lot of people hated that one because a lot of people hate
vegetarians in the first place (I myself do not, but I can see why
someone wouldn't be able to stand someone who feels so self-righteous and
morally superior that they won't even take the liberty of eating a burger
here and there......mmmm.....burgers.....).
-Brian
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Rob Tsintas
machi...@aol.com (MachineCog) wrote:
->>The question to "why does everyone hate Lisa the vegetarian?" Is
best
->>answered thusly-,and I quote-"You can't win friends with salad"
->>The End
->Agreed, but it's "You can't MAKE friends with salad," i.e. you can
make
->friends with the cows or pigs from whence come meat entrees, but not
with
->vegetables. An important distinction, methinks. Sorry if that
sounds
->nitpicky.
->-Machine
No it isn't! It's "you can't/don't WIN friends with salad"
i.e. nobody likes a veggie! and I thought this was one of the best
ever sequences, with Marge joining in 'cause she likes the rhythm!
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Peter Davis
I hate vegetarians but I loved that episode. I think that is about my
third favorite of all time. Not only does it have the film about the
meat industry which is funny but they also insult hot dogs, nonalcoholic
beer and other aspects of modern life.
My favorite part was : "Homer's BBBQ. The extra "B" is for BYOBB".
"What's that extra B for?" "That's a typo."
In short it is hilarious. I don't like vegitarians, but I looked past
this and had enjoyable time watching a hilarious show.
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Peter Davis
gord klassen
Hi,
I felt the whole thing was a commercial for Paul and Linda
McCartney...
Some funny stuff though, That Mother Goose tour was hilarious.
and Homer slapping that lamb out of the way...classic.
Peace
Gordo
Jonathan Helis
PRH...@prodigy.com (Chris Folger) wrote:
>C'mon. The bit where Mr Burns says such and such will happen "when pigs
>fly" just before the pig zooms by his window was an inspired shot at an
>old cliche.
That was a funny episode, another reference to Pink Floyd with the
flying pig.
In the scene where she meets Paul and Linda McCartney and they talk
about vegetarianism, Paul says there's a vegetarian recipie hidden in
the song "Maybe I'm Amazed" if you play it backwards.
During the end credits, that song is played, and one can hear what
sounds like scrambled speech under the music. Has anyone ever tried
to figure out what it is? Has it ever been posted here or anywhere
else? Just curious..
73,
Jonathan Helis, KB5IAV
Baton Rouge, Lousiana, USA
Sugar Meniscus
>
>During the end credits, that song is played, and one can hear what
>sounds like scrambled speech under the music. Has anyone ever tried
>to figure out what it is? Has it ever been posted here or anywhere
>else? Just curious..
>
It's actually a recipe. Me and my roommate taped the credits onto an audio
tape and played it on a multitrack recorder. It's a recipe for lentil soup.
I couldn't make out most of it because the music was a little loud, but
it is most definitely a recipe.
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