LISA BASHING
HOSS
fewer). Why is this so???
I really like her. She is a little annoying sometimes but everyone is. I
think the scene (very early Christmas episode where they find Santas little
helper) where Selma slags on Homer and she explains that he is her only
male role model is very touching.
Dave.
Jeremy Gallen
HOSS <ho...@one.net.au> wrote in message
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Suzanne Martineau
Bergstrom in Lisa's Substite. And, its her father. In some episodes, Homer
is good. in others, he is bad. The good Homer is ok.
Lee Johnson
> I've noticed a lot of anti-Lisa postings (and a few pro-Lisa, but much
> fewer). Why is this so???
Lisa-bashing is a perennial favorite pastime of newbies and
one-time-posters at a.t.s. Just about all the veterans around here are
"Lisa-supporters" (for lack of a better term), but they get tired of
explaining the obvious to wave after wave of people who don't really get
the show.
>
> I really like her. She is a little annoying sometimes but everyone is. I
> think the scene (very early Christmas episode where they find Santas little
> helper) where Selma slags on Homer and she explains that he is her only
> male role model is very touching.
>
> Dave.
I agree that it was touching in a way, and yet it also struck me as a
moment of surreal satire, as no child at that impressionable an age could
also be sophisticated enough to make such a psycho-social observation. But
that's part of the great charm and humor of the Lisa character-- she's
wise beyond her years and yet still an innocent child. She is youth
through the eyes of a precocious child _and_ through the cynical
projections of an adult.
In the best episodes, Lisa was usually the anchor of the funniest satire.
Those who think her boring or annoying are only skimming the surface of a
deeply hilarious show.
Lee
Hugh Quigley
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>In the best episodes, Lisa was usually the anchor of the funniest satire.
>Those who think her boring or annoying are only skimming the surface of a
>deeply hilarious show.
Or they're ten year olds who don't understand the satire...
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HOSS
> moment of surreal satire, as no child at that impressionable an age could
> also be sophisticated enough to make such a psycho-social observation.
But
This is the whole issue though isn't it. Lisa is way smarter than an 8 yr
old ever will/has been and this does sometimes work against the show (as in
this case).
Dave.
HOSS
has something to do with seeing him everyday I imagine.
Dave
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> Lisa's a fool to fall for Homer as her role model.
>
> HOSS <ho...@one.net.au> wrote in message
> news:01be4d0a$2b5ed700$604b38cb@default...
> >I've noticed a lot of anti-Lisa postings (and a few pro-Lisa, but much
> >fewer). Why is this so???
> >
Lee Johnson
Funny, I thought this was a case in which the disjunction worked to the
benefit of the show. Though The Simpsons can't claim to be the first
program to put the thoughts of an adult into the mouth of a child for
comedic effect (the film A Christmas Story comes to mind-- that wasn't too
long before), but it has been imitated ad nauseum since then (the latest
incarnation: The Family Guy).
Lee
MagmaGirl
>has something to do with seeing him everyday I imagine.
>
early years is going to be the type she falls for romantically as she gets
older. I'm attracted to men who are like my brother.
Mag
"It's one thing to be a link in a chain; it's another to start one of your
own!" (Lisa Simpson, "Bart's Dog Gets an F")
"Speak American, Bartron. We Earthlings understand not the Martian tongue."
(Space pilot Lisuey, "Space Patrol")
Ondre Lombard
>
> Funny, I thought this was a case in which the disjunction worked to the
> benefit of the show. Though The Simpsons can't claim to be the first
> program to put the thoughts of an adult into the mouth of a child for
> comedic effect (the film A Christmas Story comes to mind-- that wasn't too
> long before), but it has been imitated ad nauseum since then (the latest
> incarnation: The Family Guy).
Lisa is precocious, while Stewwie in The Family Guy is an
extreme exaggeration. (I'm redundant and I say the same things over and
over, repeating myself.) Anyway, I enjoyed The Family Guy, myself. It's
crude, but smart at the same time. Its pacing and seemingly unlimited,
yet somehow limited humor is the sort of style Simpsons used to have, I think.
---
Ondre J. Lombard * olom...@lombard.dialup.cyberverse.com *
S1.2 OFF+++ LIS++> BOB++ TEE++ f+++ - "Maybe I'm happy and I don't know it."
n+ w ; 7G11, 7F07, 7F12, 8F06, 8F08 - "It's never the right thing [to do]
9F11, 2F15, 3F22, 5F17, 5F18 ; M17 - unless you do feel miserable."
"Sometimes the only way you can feel good about yourself is by making
someone else feel bad. And I'm tired of making other people feel
good about themselves."
HOSS
old lady but I didn't have any other close female relos'.
See, now ya got me thinkin'
Dave
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Todd Emerson
thoughts of an adult into the mouth of a child for comedic effect (the
film A Christmas Story comes to mind-- that wasn't too long before) >>
I would have brought up all those "Peanuts" cartoons before "A Christmas
Story" (which really didn't put adult thoughts into a child's mouth - it
was more like "The Wonder Years," where the adult version of the child's
character was doing the narration).
Lee Johnson
I only picked "A Christmas Story" as a random example of something which
immediately predates The Simpsons. Agreed, as well, that it's not
literally a case of adult words in the mouths of babes, but an adult,
retrospective narration layered over the actions of children (The Wonder
Years clearly borrowed this concept directly from the innovative and
successful Xmas Story); still, the comedic effect of the disjunction is
similar to the eight-year-old Lisa's sophisticated, sardonic social
observations.
As for Peanuts, I don't so much see that gang speaking like adults, unless
you mean Linus' occasional homilies.
Lee
MagmaGirl
>old lady but I didn't have any other close female relos'.
>
>See, now ya got me thinkin'
>
>Dave
Hey, anything's possible. I just never saw anything referring to the
phenomenon in men with their moms.
Mr. Poopybutt
MagmaGirl wrote:
Are you kidding? Never read any Freud, have you!
MagmaGirl
Oh yeah...d'oh!
Curtis Gibby
Mr. Poopybutt wrote in message <36B75354...@student.berklee.edu>...
>MagmaGirl wrote:
>> Hey, anything's possible. I just never saw anything referring to the
>> phenomenon in men with their moms.
>
>Are you kidding? Never read any Freud, have you!
>
Or Sophocles's "Oedipus"? The term to describe a son's (sometimes sexual) infatuation with his mother is called the Oedipus complex.
Curtis
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Homer: "Heh heh. Mule..."
MagmaGirl
>sexual) infatuation with his mother is called the Oedipus complex.
Yes, and a daughter's infatuation for her father is called the Electra complex.
I was talking about girls being influenced in their tastes for men not related
to them, and whether or not there have been articles in modern magazines about
that phenomenon in mothers and sons. It's a very rich tapestry, the human
psychology...
Mr. Poopybutt
> Or Sophocles's "Oedipus"? The term to describe a son's (sometimes sexual) infatuation with his mother is called the Oedipus complex.
I thought that term came from Shakespeare's Oedipus Rex...?
MagmaGirl
Strangely enough, Oedipus Rex was one of the few stories that Shakespeare
DIDN'T plagiarize...but there were some faint elements of the Oedipus complex
in "Hamlet".