The Simpsons DVD's are CUT!!!???!!

[Assault Is Eternal]

I just watched "The Telltale Head", and there's a scene missing. It's about
30 seconds long, and it was right before Krusty says "I don't feel like
killing anymore." Originally, Bart goes into a speech about taking the
statue for granted. I will post a mp3 for those who want to hear what is
missing.

One of the reasons I wanted the Simpsons on DVD was so I could replace my
homemade videotapes of the show. If the show isn't complete, I'll stick
with my videos and forgo the DVDs.
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[Mike Puterbaugh]

Assault Is Eternal <assault_i...@mac.com> wrote:

> I just watched "The Telltale Head", and there's a scene missing.
> It's about 30 seconds long, and it was right before Krusty says "I
> don't feel like killing anymore." Originally, Bart goes into a
> speech about taking the statue for granted. I will post a mp3 for
> those who want to hear what is missing.
>
> One of the reasons I wanted the Simpsons on DVD was so I could
> replace my homemade videotapes of the show. If the show isn't
> complete, I'll stick with my videos and forgo the DVDs.

The DVD's are "complete". Your homemade tape just doesn't have the
"canonical" version of that episode on it -- the commentary track on
the DVD mentions that the first airing of it was slightly different
from subsequent airings.

Just for fun, I A/B'ed the original broadcast videotape with the DVD,
and the major differences are in the final scene, following the chase
reprise in the third act. For one thing, the chase was about 3 seconds
shorter the second time through in the original cut.

- The speech you mentioned: in the original broadcast, after Bart says
"I await your wrath", he says "But I'd like to add one thing: it
wasn't until I removed the head of Jebediah Springfield that we
realized we were taking our heritage for granted. That was a crime,
too. One I think we are all guilty of." Then Burns and some other
townies agree that he has a point, then Bart says "And I know that I'll
always feel an inner shame far greater than any punishment you could
dish out. Far far greater. Far far FAR far greater." And the crowd
goes "Awwww." And THEN we go to Krusty saying he doesn't feel like
killing anymore.

- In the the DVD version, the camera pans across the crowd before
coming to Burns, who says "I love you, Smithers." The dialogue missing
from the original cut:
MARVIN MONROE: Look, it's glorious!
OTTO: It's beautiful, man!
And right before we see Mr. Burns, it's the Sideshow Bob we all know
and love, not the fake Sideshow Bob seen on TV with Krusty earlier in
the show.

- The final scene is different; in the original, Bart climbs down off
the statue into Homer's arms as majestic chimes play on the soundtrack,
and he stays there for a while, then we cut to a static long shot of
the crowd, credits. In the DVD version, Bart comes down then we
quickly cut to a long shot, and Bart and Homer walk across. "Most lynch
mobs aren't this nice." No chimes in the soundtrack.

Also, looking at them side-to-side made it obvious how much better the
picture is on the DVDs than on a dozen-year-old videotape.

-Mike
The commercials for "21 Jump Street" and the Atari Lynx aren't on the
DVD either. ;-)

[Kevin Madden]

> -Mike
> The commercials for "21 Jump Street" and the Atari Lynx aren't on the
> DVD either. ;-)

I loved that show :=)

Kevin

[Matt Garvey]

You're RIGHT! It also misses the church bells ringing - I looked into it, and
while those scenes seem to be there in syndication, they were listed in the
syndication cuts guide as being taken out for the second airing - hopefully this
is an oversight on their part (which better be fixed either on subsequent prints
or season 2), or else they are not using the first run ones (which means stuff
like Pier 1 will be given as Trader Pete's instead - frankly, I'd rather see the
original in the episode and the changed version in a special features
section)...there are some marked with that notation in season 6 (see
www.snpp.com/episodes/scg-6.txt and search for a dollar sign)...those seem to be
the only ones (at least those marked with $s)...well, i sure hope they get their
act together and encode the FIRST runs...oh boy...that's not good at all

[Chris]

All I know is that my favorite scene of all time better be there when
Season 8 comes out... 3F23 - You Only Move Twice
Homer walks up to Hank Scorpio and asks for some sugar. Scorpio digs
in his pockets and pulls out two handfuls of sugar and says "Here ya
go, sorry it's not in any packages <cut> Want any cream? Homer:
Yehh.... no." </cut>
I've only seen it once and that was when it was originally aired on
FOX. All the syndicated versions have that cream part cut (dammit).
But anyway, here's hoping.

-Chris

On Mon, 08 Oct 2001 00:21:09 -0400, Matt Garvey <mx...@po.cwru.edu>
wrote:

[SJB]

My favorite scene, also cut from syndication, is in "The Last Tempation of
Homer". Homer and Mindy are in a Capital City hotel, ordering room service,
when a buzzer goes off in Burns' office. Smithers says, "Sir, someone's
ordering room service." Burns replies, "They think so, eh? Fly my
pretties," and releases the flying monkeys from "The Wizard of Oz".

Classic.

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[Don Del Grande]

Matt Garvey wrote:

>You're RIGHT! It also misses the church bells ringing - I looked into it, and
>while those scenes seem to be there in syndication, they were listed in the
>syndication cuts guide as being taken out for the second airing - hopefully this
>is an oversight on their part (which better be fixed either on subsequent prints
>or season 2), or else they are not using the first run ones (which means stuff
>like Pier 1 will be given as Trader Pete's instead - frankly, I'd rather see the
>original in the episode and the changed version in a special features
>section).

While the syndication cuts should be restored in the DVD versions,
something that was changed in the Fox airings was changed for a reason
("Pier 1/Trader Pete's", "Tourette's Syndrome/Rabies") which probably
hasn't changed. If Fox was afraid of a reaction from Pier 1 back
then, I doubt they're any less afraid now, so I wouldn't be surprised
if "Trader Pete's" is used.

-----------------------------------------------------
Don Del Grande, del_g...@netvista.net
I haven't seen the episode with the "Dr. Haing S. Ngor / Don Ameche"
Oscar in syndication in a few years...anybody know if/when the name
was changed back to the original?

[Matt Garvey]

Maybe...but then again, this time they're selling it. I think it's different when
something is for sale (consider rated R movies and any sort of porn for example)...so
we'll have to see, but I'm hoping for the best.

[Bill McNeal]

>The commercials for "21 Jump Street" and the Atari Lynx aren't on the
>DVD either. ;-)

If I can't watch a teenager bring a personal video game system into a school
bathroom stall, I'm not buying it.

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[Bill McNeal]

>My favorite scene, also cut from syndication, is in "The Last Tempation of
>Homer". Homer and Mindy are in a Capital City hotel, ordering room service,
>when a buzzer goes off in Burns' office. Smithers says, "Sir, someone's
>ordering room service." Burns replies, "They think so, eh? Fly my
>pretties," and releases the flying monkeys from "The Wizard of Oz".
>
>Classic.

And then they fall instead of flying, to which Burns sighs, "Back to the lab,"
or some such.

[Emetib67334]

What? That's Bullsh*t! Will they air uncut DVDs ever?

[Chris Sobieniak]

I guess I'm rather lucky that I have this version from the original 1990
airing myself. Kinda liked how Bart goes into using "far" a bit too
far.

Domo Arigatoo to Sayonara!

From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak

--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--

[Chris Sobieniak]

On Mon, Oct 8, 2001, 4:04am (EDT+4), mb...@cornell.edu
(Mike Puterbaugh) wrote:
>The DVD's are "complete". Your homemade tape
>just doesn't have the "canonical" version of that
>episode on it -- the commentary track on the DVD
>mentions that the first airing of it was slightly
>different from subsequent airings.

I kinda felt there was something funny about it myself.

>Just for fun, I A/B'ed the original broadcast
>videotape with the DVD, and the major differences
>are in the final scene, following the chase reprise
>in the third act.

Just for fun, I'm watching a simular tape I've recorded myself of that
night. Too bad I never though much to keeping it too intact, cutting
some of the commercials here and there, and also taping America's
Funniest Home Videos a half hour before the show came on, but it's
there.

>For one thing, the chase was about 3 seconds
>shorter the second time through in the original cut.

IMO, it seemed better to have the chase shorter.

- The speech you mentioned: in the original
>broadcast, after Bart says "I await your wrath", he
>says "But I'd like to add one thing: it wasn't until I
>removed the head of Jebediah Springfield that we
>realized we were taking our heritage for granted.
>That was a crime, too. One I think we are all guilty
>of." Then Burns and some other townies agree that
>he has a point, then Bart says "And I know that I'll
>always feel an inner shame far greater than any
>punishment you could dish out. Far far greater. Far
>far FAR far greater." And the crowd goes
>"Awwww." And THEN we go to Krusty saying he
>doesn't feel like killing anymore.

This is the version of which I was more familiar with personally.
Though I assume Bart's monologue was a tad too long and pointless.

Oddly, is it just me, or is the lip synching a bit off in this episode
as well (noticed it around the time when Bart tells the crowd the story
was going to take 23 minutes and 5 seconds to complete). Just a
thought. I remember reading how some of these episodes had to be
re-drawn because the original animators at Klasky-Csupo used to
exagerated the lip movements on purpose.

>- In the the DVD version, the camera pans across
>the crowd before coming to Burns, who says "I
>love you, Smithers." The dialogue missing from the
>original cut:
>MARVIN MONROE: Look, it's glorious!
>OTTO: It's beautiful, man!
>And right before we see Mr. Burns, it's the
>Sideshow Bob we all know and love, not the fake
>Sideshow Bob seen on TV with Krusty earlier in
>the show.

Damn, why did they even have the fake Bob on earlier anyway (always
wondered that myself all these years), could the real Bob have been on
leave due to the situation?

>- The final scene is different; in the original, Bart
>climbs down off the statue into Homer's arms as
>majestic chimes play on the soundtrack, and he
>stays there for a while, then we cut to a static long
>shot of the crowd, credits. In the DVD version,
>Bart comes down then we quickly cut to a long
>shot, and Bart and Homer walk across. "Most lynch
>mobs aren't this nice." No chimes in the
>soundtrack.

Oddly I remember seeing the other version when they re-ran this episode
around the summer of '90. Unfortunatly, I never did tape the repeats.

>Also, looking at them side-to-side made it obvious
>how much better the picture is on the DVDs than
>on a dozen-year-old videotape.
>-Mike

Especially if you recorded it at EP mode on a non-HiFi VCR like mine is.
I had to use my parent's VCR at the time too.

>The commercials for "21 Jump Street" and the
>Atari Lynx aren't on the DVD either. ;-)

Heh, wish I kepted these commercials, I think I have one for a local
dating service however.

[Chris Sobieniak]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2001, 12:29am (EDT+4), xpe...@aol.commander
(Bill McNeal) wrote:
>>The commercials for "21 Jump Street" and the
>>Atari Lynx aren't on the DVD either. ;-)

>If I can't watch a teenager bring a personal video
>game system into a school bathroom stall, I'm not
>buying it.
>-- An XPeeple Production --

Thanks for bringing that little memory back into my head. Now I wish I
had THAT on tape!