Lisa & Apartheid
David Goldreich
poster in Lisa's room.
I'm pretty disappointed that they decided to sneak in left-wing politics
into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
In fact there was a similar incident with the Cosby's. Apparently
someone decided that there should be an anti-South Africa poster in
Theo's room. One of the producers (or directors) wanted to take it
down for fear of alienating some viewers. But, Bill Cosby, in his
more than infinite wisdom insisted that it must stay.
It's a sad day when the Simpsons stoops to the level of the Cosbys.
-David
Disclaimer: I am by no means justifying apartheid. I am just opposed to
knee jerk liberals trying to turn South Africa into a black & white issue.
And I don't like being told what is politically correct when I'm trying
to watch the Simpsons.
David Albert
>Disclaimer: I am by no means justifying apartheid. I am just opposed to
>knee jerk liberals trying to turn South Africa into a black & white issue.
Umm...run that one by me again, would you? No pun intended, right?
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Chris Colby
dg...@andrew.cmu.edu (David Goldreich) writes:
>In the thanksgiving episode, they had a shot of an anti-South Africa
>poster in Lisa's room.
>
>I'm pretty disappointed that they decided to sneak in left-wing politics
>into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
Umm, I hate to ask you this but, ever catch the sentiment
towards nuclear power presented on the Simpsons? The show is full
of left wing political statements. Half the time they aren't
sneaking them in, they are bashing you over the head with them.
Switch your brain on sometime and you might see that.
>In fact there was a similar incident with the Cosby's. Apparently
>someone decided that there should be an anti-South Africa poster in
>Theo's room. One of the producers (or directors) wanted to take it
>down for fear of alienating some viewers. But, Bill Cosby, in his
>more than infinite wisdom insisted that it must stay.
That silly Cosby! Imagine, a black kid with an anti-aparthied
poster in his room! Who's gonna fall for nonsense like that!?
>It's a sad day when the Simpsons stoops to the level of the Cosbys.
It's a sad day alright, but it has nothing to do with the
Simpsons. It's a sad day when someone can get so excited about a
cartoon poster hanging on the cartoon wall of a cartoon kid! Aye
Carumba!
>-David
>
>Disclaimer: I am by no means justifying apartheid. I am just opposed to
>knee jerk liberals trying to turn South Africa into a black & white
>issue.
Anxious to hear you explain how South Africa is anything _but_
a black and white issue.
>And I don't like being told what is politically correct when I'm trying
>to watch the Simpsons.
Um, hey Dave? Do you know that it's O.K. to watch a show and
not swallow every point of view presented there?
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Jym Dyer
> into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
|Y|eah, right. Like television is run by left-wingers. Looks
`-' like Matt _et_al_ have managed to annoy another Republican.
<_Jym_>
P.S.: It's not like some moderates and conservatives don't oppose
apartheid too! Knee-jerkers one and all, eh?
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Scott Amspoker
>poster in Lisa's room.
>
>I'm pretty disappointed that they decided to sneak in left-wing politics
>into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
A poster like that would be very much in line with Lisa's character.
I doubt the producers were afraid that some viewers would be offended
by it. Is there anyone out there who is pro-South Africa. Do I
see a hand?
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Scott Amspoker
>In article <UbILI1y00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, dg...@andrew.cmu.edu
>(David Goldreich) writes:
>> In the thanksgiving episode, they had a shot of an anti-South Africa
>> poster in Lisa's room.
>>
>> I'm pretty disappointed that they decided to sneak in left-wing politics
>> into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
>
>Africaan nationals in the US? That woman down the street from me with
>facial hair? I don't think that many of us knee jerks are trying to turn
>any issue into anything as cursory as a black & white case or the the
>like. But I guess I should take this to alt.simpsons.politics...
Careful. You might get some e-mail in which the most intelligent
argument is to call you an ignorant sheep.
WILLIAM POINDEXTER MADDEN
In article <UbILI1y00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, dg...@andrew.cmu.edu
(David Goldreich) writes:
> In the thanksgiving episode, they had a shot of an anti-South Africa
> poster in Lisa's room.
>
> I'm pretty disappointed that they decided to sneak in left-wing politics
> into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
>
> someone decided that there should be an anti-South Africa poster in
> Theo's room. One of the producers (or directors) wanted to take it
> down for fear of alienating some viewers. But, Bill Cosby, in his
> more than infinite wisdom insisted that it must stay.
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: I am by no means justifying apartheid. I am just opposed to
> knee jerk liberals trying to turn South Africa into a black & white issue.
> to watch the Simpsons.
Ughh! I thought that this was just part of the excellent character
development the writers have given Lisa over the past two seasons.
How does this at all stoop to the level of the Cosby show, and what
level is the Cosby show anyway?
Another tang, which viewers are going to be alienated by said poster?
Africaan nationals in the US? That woman down the street from me with
facial hair? I don't think that many of us knee jerks are trying to turn
any issue into anything as cursory as a black & white case or the the
like. But I guess I should take this to alt.simpsons.politics...
But who am I to blow against the wind? Back to the subject at hand. Did
anyone else notice that the balls on the Simpson's roof were not rolling?
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Stace
>poster in Lisa's room.
>
>I'm pretty disappointed that they decided to sneak in left-wing politics
>into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
>
>
>-David
>
>Disclaimer: I am by no means justifying apartheid. I am just opposed to
>knee jerk liberals trying to turn South Africa into a black & white issue.
>And I don't like being told what is politically correct when I'm trying
>to watch the Simpsons.
Oh, give it a rest. how do you know Groening didn't put it in there? Maybe
he has personal objections to apartheid. Think about it, that stuff
is DRAWN in there, not just tacked up like on Cosby. If I were doing a show
like that, and I decided I wanted to make Lisa anti-apartheid, etc. what's the
problem?
Do people not put posters like that up in real life? I do!
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Andrew Klossner
"In the thanksgiving episode, they had a shot of an anti-South
Africa poster in Lisa's room ... I'm pretty disappointed ..."
It was not an anti-South Africa poster. It was an anti-apartheid
poster ("End Apartheid Now" for those of you without freeze-frame).
The belief that apartheid (discrimination on the basis of race) should
be abolished is squarely in line with American mainstream opinion and
fits perfectly into Lisa's persona.
Anyone who points out an anti-apartheid poster as the inspiration of a
"knee-jerk liberal" is clearly pursuing a minority agenda and needs no
further attention from Simpsons fans.
Getting back to the proper topic of this newsgroup: why would anyone
watch "The Simpsons" in real time? My family tapes the show, then
watches it for the first time from tape. Not only can we freeze-frame
the interesting segments when we first see them (such as the signs Bart
saw on the wrong side of the tracks), but we can skip the commercials.
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Ronald V Picard
>In article <UbILI1y00...@andrew.cmu.edu>
>dg...@andrew.cmu.edu (David Goldreich) writes:
>
>>In the thanksgiving episode, they had a shot of an anti-South Africa
>>poster in Lisa's room.
>>
>>I'm pretty disappointed that they decided to sneak in left-wing politics
>>into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
>
> Umm, I hate to ask you this but, ever catch the sentiment
>towards nuclear power presented on the Simpsons? The show is full
>of left wing political statements. Half the time they aren't
>sneaking them in, they are bashing you over the head with them.
>Switch your brain on sometime and you might see that.
>
when they subtly present political views. Simpsons make fun of both sides
of most issues, although they are more forgiving of the left's views.
Cosby on the other hand preaches. A Different World preaches "with a
BIIIIIIIG stick". Something I hope doesn't happen with the Simpsons.
Innovative Data Design
>
> Another tang, which viewers are going to be alienated by said poster?
> Africaan nationals in the US? That woman down the street from me with
> facial hair? I don't think that many of us knee jerks are trying to turn
> any issue into anything as cursory as a black & white case or the the
the facially hairy women _I_ know are opposed to apartheid.
Angus MacDonald
idd...@well.sf.ca.us
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<Getting back to the proper topic of this newsgroup: why would anyone
<watch "The Simpsons" in real time? My family tapes the show, then
<watches it for the first time from tape. Not only can we freeze-frame
<the interesting segments when we first see them (such as the signs Bart
<saw on the wrong side of the tracks), but we can skip the commercials.
Hahahar! No commercial breaks here! (Europe)
Whoops sorry, but besides being a bit aggrevating, I thought I was
also being (a tiny little bit) informative.
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Michael Friedman
>dg...@andrew.cmu.edu (David Goldreich) writes:
>>Disclaimer: I am by no means justifying apartheid. I am just opposed to
>>knee jerk liberals trying to turn South Africa into a black & white issue.
>Umm...run that one by me again, would you? No pun intended, right?
OK.
I. Can you give us any reason to think that South Africa under
'majority rule' would be any different than Zimbabwe?
If not, then
II. Can you explain why it is morally superior for a predominantly
Black country to be run by a Black dictator rather than a White
oligarchy?
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Dennis D Kiely
>I. Can you give us any reason to think that South Africa under
>'majority rule' would be any different than Zimbabwe?
>
>If not, then
>
>II. Can you explain why it is morally superior for a predominantly
>Black country to be run by a Black dictator rather than a White
>oligarchy?
Its surprising that a question like this came out of Harvard U! While
in the remainder of your largely uninspired article you celebrate the
fall of communism, you celebrate a greater evil occurring in South
Africa; that evil being the relative absence of civil rights for a
vast majority of the population, and rule by a veritable police state
that follows a system shunned by almost every nation on earth. It is
democracy, and not blatant authoritarianism, that spelled the end of
communism in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.
You also seem to assume that a black-ruled South Africa would of
neccesity come under dictatorship. What do you mean to imply by this
statement? Are you really trying to tell us that African nations are
incapable of effective self-determination, and that only a white
minority can provide a stable, democratic form of government?
And my apologies to the faithful Simpsons fans out there who have had
to deal with this large digression to the real subject at hand. But I
believe a response to the above article was both appropriate and
neccessary.
not
(David Goldreich) writes:
> I'm pretty disappointed that they decided to sneak in left-wing politics
> into the Simpsons. We get enough of that on other TV shows.
Ever read his Life in Hell cartoons?
Send all flames, insolent remarks, blasphemies, and insults to:
as it was his remark above.
As for myself, I believe in Jesse Helms!
(Just kidding!)
P.S. Let's hear it for HELL, er... Life In Hell rather. (And for
"knee jerk liberals" as well!)