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SJim67

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The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
Critic".)

Also, what does everyone think of the PJ's after their first two episodes? I
love the animation style of the show, and the first two shows were extremely
funny. It remains to be seen if they can keep up that level of humor, and if
they can withstand the obvious attacks by certain groups that will inevitably
claim that the show presents negative stereotypes of African-Americans.

MagmaGirl

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I liked The Critic, The Tick, I loved Josie and the Pussycats, Voltron and Jem
when I was a kid, I watch Dr. Katz whenever I can find it, and although I kind
of like South Park, I can only tolerate it in small doses. (I know all the
words to "It's Hard to be a Jew on Christmas", because when I was a kid, it
was! I was the envy of all my teenage co-workers at the supermarket last
year.)

Mag
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BiffFoil

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Oops...pressed the button too early on that last one...

Sjim67 wrote:
>The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
>several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
>Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
>Critic".)

Well, how many primetime cartoons have there BEEN? I can think of only four
others besides OFF: "The Critic", "South Park", "King of the Hill" and "The
PJ's". Of those, I like the first three, and I've never seen "The PJ's" (I
probably never will either, because it's on at the same time as "Newsradio",
one of my favorite shows). Wait a couple months for "Family Guy" and
"Futurama" to come out.


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BiffFoil

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Paul Tomko

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In article <19990113145148...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,

BiffFoil <biff...@aol.com> wrote:
>Oops...pressed the button too early on that last one...
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>Sjim67 wrote:
>>The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
>>several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
>>Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
>>Critic".)
>
>Well, how many primetime cartoons have there BEEN? I can think of only four
>others besides OFF: "The Critic", "South Park", "King of the Hill" and "The
>PJ's". Of those, I like the first three, and I've never seen "The PJ's" (I
>probably never will either, because it's on at the same time as "Newsradio",
>one of my favorite shows). Wait a couple months for "Family Guy" and
>"Futurama" to come out.

You're only mentioning the ones since the 80's. TV was invented long before
then. Flintstones was primetime for a long time. There are a number of others.

Paul

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Paul Tomko

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In article <19990113143141...@ng93.aol.com>,

SJim67 <sji...@aol.com> wrote:
>Also, what does everyone think of the PJ's after their first two episodes? I
>love the animation style of the show, and the first two shows were extremely
>funny. It remains to be seen if they can keep up that level of humor, and if
>they can withstand the obvious attacks by certain groups that will inevitably
>claim that the show presents negative stereotypes of African-Americans.


Sunday's PJ's episode was without a doubt the worst episode EVER!

Paul

P.S. Actually, I liked it.

Jeremy Gallen

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I love "The PJ's," "King of the Hill," and "South Park."

SJim67 <sji...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the
last
>several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
>Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
>Critic".)
>

SJim67

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>You're only mentioning the ones since the 80's. TV was invented long before
>then. Flintstones was primetime for a long time. There are a number of
>others.

Yeah, the only pre-Simpson prime time animated shows I can think of are "The
Bugs Bunny Show" (which presented old cartoons with some newly animated framing
sequences), "The Flintstones" and "Wait Till Your Father Gets Home." There were
probably others, no doubt.

The prime time (Network) post-Simpson cartoons I can think of are The Critic,
The PJ's, King of the Hill, Two Stupid Dogs, and Pinky and the Brain (the WB
showed this in prime time for a short time before or after the show "Sister
Sister" on Sundays. I don't remember specifically.) And of course Dilbert is on
the way in a couple weeks.

Of course, when you factor in cable, you can add many other original prime time
shows like South Park, Bob and Margaret (a British import, but "new" to the US
audience), Dr. Katz, and several Cartoon Network shows.

AlexJ33106

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>Well, how many primetime cartoons have there BEEN? I can think of only four
>others besides OFF: "The Critic", "South Park", "King of the Hill" and "The
>PJ's". Of those, I like the first three, and I've never seen "The PJ's" (I
>probably never will either, because it's on at the same time as "Newsradio",
>one of my favorite shows). Wait a couple months for "Family Guy" and
>"Futurama" to come out.

The Flinstones were on at prime-time(and probably helped other 'toons make it
to that time slot, too). Also, Pinky and the Brain and Batman:TAS were on at
the same time(albeit not too long).

There have been many animated shows on at the night's coveted time slot, just
not enough worth remembering. Here are my predictions for the four new 'toons
coming out this season:

The PJ's: Will last two or three seasons at the most. Yes, the show is quite
funny, but after those few years, the audiances will grow tired of the cool
claymation style and African-American jokes;

Family Guy: Will be a hilarious show, but FOX won't have enough faith in it.
Probably will go the same route as "The Critic";

Futurama: If it is as zany and as wacky as it sounds, this one could be around
for a while. Hopefully there will be real jokes in it and not just sight gags
like the new seasons of "The Simpsons";

Dilbert: Could be a funny show but, since it is on the doomed UPN network, and
since it's animated, I don't see it lasting very long.

My predictions have a 99% chance of being wrong, so take note. Good-day.

-Alex(The #2 Simpsons Fan)

Albert Kennedy

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SJim67 wrote:

> The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
> several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
> Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
> Critic".)
>
> Also, what does everyone think of the PJ's after their first two episodes? I
> love the animation style of the show, and the first two shows were extremely
> funny. It remains to be seen if they can keep up that level of humor, and if
> they can withstand the obvious attacks by certain groups that will inevitably
> claim that the show presents negative stereotypes of African-Americans.

Besides the Simpsons, I like South Park. I'm eagerly awaiting Futurama, Dilbert,
and Family Guy.

As for the PJs, I thought it was surprisingly funny , great Will Vinton
animation. I only saw the preview episode though.


Tony

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SJim67 wrote:
>
> The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The Critic".)
>
> Also, what does everyone think of the PJ's after their first two episodes? I love the animation style of the show, and the first two shows were extremely funny. It remains to be seen if they can keep up that level of humor, and if they can withstand the obvious attacks by certain groups that will inevitably claim that the show presents negative stereotypes of African-Americans.

Rockos Modern Life
Ren & Stimpy
Beavis & Butthead
Dangermouse (Might have to go back awhile to remember THAT one)

As for the PJ's, I love Eddy Murphy, I WANT to love this series but it
is *not* funny. Of the 2 episodes, they garnered *one* out loud laff
each, his james brown thing with the lamp and the cockroaches in his
'raisin bran'...

It seems pushed, contrived, shallow, obvious, predictable and flat.
They got a great premise, Im not sure why they are using 48 characters,
NONE of which are the least bit funny yet. Eddy cant carry this show
all on his own.

Just my .02

CoryanderX

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>>Well, how many primetime cartoons have there BEEN? I can think of only four
>>others besides OFF: "The Critic", "South Park", "King of the Hill" and "The
>>PJ's". Of those, I like the first three, and I've never seen "The PJ's" (I
>>probably never will either, because it's on at the same time as "Newsradio",
>>one of my favorite shows). Wait a couple months for "Family Guy" and
>>"Futurama" to come out.
>

If you take cable into account, there are more options. I enjoy both
"Dexter's Laboratory" and "KABLAM!", along with "King of the Hill," "The
Critic," "Dr. Katz", and "South Park."

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Terry Pulver

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BiffFoil wrote:
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> Oops...pressed the button too early on that last one...
>
> Sjim67 wrote:
> >The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
> >several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
> >Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
> >Critic".)
>
> Well, how many primetime cartoons have there BEEN? I can think of only four
> others besides OFF: "The Critic", "South Park", "King of the Hill" and "The
> PJ's". Of those, I like the first three, and I've never seen "The PJ's" (I
> probably never will either, because it's on at the same time as "Newsradio",
> one of my favorite shows). Wait a couple months for "Family Guy" and
> "Futurama" to come out.

Right off the bat, there's two airing now- "Dr. Katz" and "Bob and
Margaret." NBC also had "Stressed Eric" for about a week. These are just
the ones in the present.

Oh yes, I heard that "Futurama" may not come out. I forgot the details.

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Bartron

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>I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
>Simpsons fans like

Might as well start with "South Park". I am a pretty big fan of SP but I don't
like the hype it's got right now. I've stopped watching reruns and only watch
new episodes; I find the shock value is much better that way.

"Dr. Katz" is a great show when it is on; very laid back dry humor. The problem
is so many episodes run together and a lot of the guest stars suck. Plus,
Comedy Central gives it a new time slot every other week so I can never find
it.

"King of the Hill" is very hit and miss for me; I laugh at every word Boomhauer
says and like Hank's character and the Asian neighbor, but when the story
focuses on something else I lose interest.

I watch some reruns of "the Critic" on occasion and like them, but it tried too
hard to be exactly like the Simpsons I think.

> Also, what does everyone think of the PJ's after their first two episodes?


"The PJ's" I've seen and feel it has a little potential....funny and stupid at
the same time. I think someone else said it; there's only one or two really
good characters. I'm still laughing at "Mighty Bitch" dog food though :)



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Todd Emerson

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Y'all are forgetting other short-lived prime-time animated shows in the
'90s like "Capitol Critters," "Fish Police," and "Family Dog"! But not
without good reason, though...

"The Jetsons" and "Jonny Quest" were originally in prime-time, too.

I haven't had cable in years, but when I did, I enjoyed "Ren & Stimpy"
and "Beavis & Butthead". In regards to current, non-cable shows, I'm
going with the "Batman" and "Superman" animated series. If only we
could get the producers of those shows to work on a live-action
superhero movie!

"The PJs" is quite hilarious, and I'll be watching and recording it for
as long as it will be on the air (which probably won't be for long, I
would imagine).

"The Critic" was also hilarious, and I enjoyed "Stressed Eric" (the week
it was on). And I'll tell you what, I LOVE "King of the Hill"!

Eagerly looking forward to "Futurama",
tpe
"If cartoons were meant for adults, they'd be on in prime-time!"


Jessi Cuellar

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MagmaGirl wrote in message <19990113235153...@ng103.aol.com>...
>Reading some of the other replies to this, I feel I should give credit
where
>credit is due to Ren and Stimpy, who paved the way for shows like Beavis
and
>Butthead and South Park et al, which revel in bodily functions, or in the
whole
>series of cartoons like Cow and Chicken (which I like) and Two Stupid Dogs
>(which I dislike), which pair off wacky animal duos, one small and
sarcastic
>and one big and goofy. I also dig The Powerpuff Girls, a new entry into
the
>primetime arena, and how could we all have neglected Space Ghost Coast to
>Coast? I miss Ren and Stimpy though, and I think John Kricfalusi deserves
some
>more recognition. (In an interview in either SPIN or Rolling Stone, he
>parodied South Park and taped a paper triangle to a pencil with a cheap
face
>drawing on it, then pranced it around and called it the "Triangle on a
Stick
>Show". He erased the face and drew another one and kept going on like that
for
>five minutes. Wish I'd seen that!)
>
Man, that "Triangle on a Stick Show" would rule! As for me, I mostly watch
Cartoon Network series, now that my local Simpsons syndication station
doesn't come it right (UGH!). But I do watch nearly all the original series.
My order of preference: Space Ghost Coast to Coast (best, and totally
unpredictable), Johnny Bravo, Cartoon Planet, Powerpuff Girls, Cow and
Chicken, Dexter's Lab (only okay, but still fun at times), 2 Stupid Dogs,
and What a Cartoon! (Man, that name is FLAGRANT false advertising! Nearly
all the worthwhile segments have spun off into better series.) I also
enjoyed watching the "Disney Afternoon" series "Ducktales", "Darkwing Duck"
and "Goof Troop" during my teen years. (Okay, so I was weaned off those
kiddie shows late. One of the last I watched was "Garfield and Friends".)
I'm also developing a taste for "A Pup Named Scooby Doo", even if it is a
bit silly. But now that I've seen every "Scooby Movie", what'mIgonnado? :)
As for more "adult" series, I loved "The Tick". I once saw "South Park" on a
regular basis, and I guess it was great, but now I don't miss not seeing it.
Similarly for "King of the Hill", except I actually do miss it some. I like
"The Jetsons" as well as OFF (and much better than "The Flintstones"), so
"Futurama" sounds promising. Just thought I'd throw in my two bits... :)

Ondre Lombard

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On 13 Jan 1999, Bartron wrote:

>
> "The PJ's" I've seen and feel it has a little potential....funny and stupid at
> the same time. I think someone else said it; there's only one or two really
> good characters. I'm still laughing at "Mighty Bitch" dog food though :)

I didn't watch the pilot of The PJs with my undivided attention, so
that's probably why I thought the show was shaping up to be mediocre. I saw
the second episode and it had me rolling quite a few times. It has some very
funny and talented voices, and is one of the few intelligent stereotypical
jabs at blacks in the projects. Perhaps the most intelligent black comedy on
today.

As for me, I like almost anything done by Warner Bros. Animation
between 1935 and 1996. I also like Sailor Moon, and probably would like most
Japanese animes. Then there's South Park, King of the Hill, The Critic, Woody
Woodpecker, and a variety of "childish" 1980s cartoons such as Teddy Ruxpin,
Muppet Babies, etc.

I like well-detailed animation, and if characters can't look appealing
in some way (either attractive, or visibly likeable), the writing has to
support that well (Ren & Stimpy has hideous characters but it made me laugh).
These days, too many cartoons seem to think ugly = good. King of the Hill
makes the best strides in being close to real life in that the characters are
drawn to look real and detailed, and their lives aren't really contrived and
there's no laugh track. It only shys away from reality when it goes overboard
with some stereotypes and gets a bit too surreal and in-joke like.

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sji...@aol.com (SJim67) wrote:
> The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
> several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
> Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
> Critic".)

I enjoy "King of the Hill", "The Powerpuff Girls", "Dexter's Laboratory", "Hey
Arnold!", "Kablam!", and "The Wild Thornberrys." "Oh Yeah, Cartoons!" is also
pretty good.

Others I'm fond of are the classic WB cartoons (late 30's through late 50's),
the Tex Avery MGM cartoons, some of the old "Pink Panther" cartoons, some of
the Fleischer "Popeye" and "Superman" cartoons, most of Jay Ward's TV shows
(especially "Rocky & Bullwinkle"), and the old Charlie Brown TV specials.
Oh, and "Wallace and Gromit"!

> Also, what does everyone think of the PJ's after their first two episodes? I
> love the animation style of the show, and the first two shows were extremely
> funny. It remains to be seen if they can keep up that level of humor, and if
> they can withstand the obvious attacks by certain groups that will inevitably
> claim that the show presents negative stereotypes of African-Americans.

I haven't seen the second episode yet (taped it, though), but from what I've
seen so far, this show looks like a winner. Here's hoping that "Futurama" and
"Family Guy" turn out as well. I don't know, though..."Family Guy" looks too
*weird* to be successful at all as a primetime show.


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Metlhd3138

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Currently i like:king of the hill
south park
the critic
the pj's
and celebrity deathmatch.

MagmaGirl

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Reading some of the other replies to this, I feel I should give credit where
credit is due to Ren and Stimpy, who paved the way for shows like Beavis and
Butthead and South Park et al, which revel in bodily functions, or in the whole
series of cartoons like Cow and Chicken (which I like) and Two Stupid Dogs
(which I dislike), which pair off wacky animal duos, one small and sarcastic
and one big and goofy. I also dig The Powerpuff Girls, a new entry into the
primetime arena, and how could we all have neglected Space Ghost Coast to
Coast? I miss Ren and Stimpy though, and I think John Kricfalusi deserves some
more recognition. (In an interview in either SPIN or Rolling Stone, he
parodied South Park and taped a paper triangle to a pencil with a cheap face
drawing on it, then pranced it around and called it the "Triangle on a Stick
Show". He erased the face and drew another one and kept going on like that for
five minutes. Wish I'd seen that!)

Mag

MagmaGirl

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Darrel,

You're right, I forgot about Dexter's Lab...and the Justice Friends thrown in
to boot!
And Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain looks promising. One weekend I just kept
answering all questions by saying "Choc'it pie!" try it! amaze your friends!

And I still have a place in my heart for "Tiny Toon Adventures" and
"Animaniacs". I have a Babs Bunny keychain.

Mike Nelson

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SJim67 wrote:

> The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
> several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
> Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
> Critic".)

King of the Hill, The Critic, The Tick, South Park (even with all the hype), Dr.
Katz, The Muppet Show :)

> Also, what does everyone think of the PJ's after their first two episodes?

I saw the Season Premiere about Mrs. Avery and I thought it was freakin'
hilarious. "Damnit you ARE lucky! That's what I'll call you."

-Mike


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FitNFeisty

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<<The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
Critic".)>>

Other Prime Time Cartoons I Enjoy(ed)

Dr. Katz
Pinky & The Brain
The Critic
Duckman
Southpark (for the first year)

Other Cartooons I've watched:
Loony Toons
Popeye (as a kid)
Scooby Doo(as a kid)
Wacky Racers (as a kid)
Yogi Bear (as a kid)


Todd Emerson

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You people are starting to remind me of a woman I encountered at a Star
Trek convention once (one of only two I've ever been to, so don't go
labelling me just yet), who was wondering why there wasn't a fan club
for "SeaQuest: DSV" at the time. I'm going to paraphrase what I though
about her then: Come on, folks! It's okay to like animation as a
medium, but let's be a little more selective here!

I refuse to believe that EVERY animated series is worth a darn! In the
first issue of "Toon" magazine, they asked what the top 5 cartoons of
all time were, and without even looking at their own list, I said to
myself, "Looney Tunes, Simpsons, Bullwinkle, Batman: TAS, and old
Fleischer Popeyes, AND THAT'S IT!!!" Everything else is second string!

Not everything that's been animated can be all that great. Some can be
good, some of those can be great, and some of those can even be
"classic", but ya gotta learn to pick and choose, dammit!

Sorry if I sound especially grumpy about this. It's late, I'm tired,
I'm hungry, and I have to go pee...

tpe


Todd Emerson

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<<I saw the Season Premiere about Mrs. Avery and I thought it was
freakin' hilarious. "Damnit you ARE lucky! That's what I'll call you.">>

That wasn't the season premiere! That was the second episode! The
actual premiere was on right after "The Simpsons" last Sunday night.
Remember? It was about Calvin wanting to be a building superintendent,
too.

tpe
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Yuri Dieujuste

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Some other animated shows that I like are King of the Hill, the Critic, the
Flinstones, Histeria, Pinky and the Brain, and most Japanese anime (I wish
there was an ep with OFF as an anime). I really do not like the PJs due to
the fact the show is not funny. The racial stereotypes turn me off also.
South Park also suffers due to the fact that it is mindless. Disney produced
cartoons seem to lose their flavour after a one year. One of the few Disney
cartoons that I still like today is Duck Tales.

To be off topic, the non-animated programmes that I like are Seinfeld, Law
and Order, Viper, and Saturday Night Live. Should I count my habit to
watching BBC World News and France 2 Evening News (I get those from two
different public TV stations in NY)


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anyone."--Seinfeld
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now on drink strait from the faucet or milk carton and we'll eat while
standing over the sink or toliet."
Homer Simpson
"Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. By now,
your name and particulars have been fed into every laptop, desktop,
mainframe and supermarket scanner that collectively make up the global
information conspiracy otherwise known as 'The Beast.'"
--Dale Gribble


AlexJ33106

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>Reading some of the other replies to this, I feel I should give credit where
>credit is due to Ren and Stimpy, who paved the way for shows like Beavis and
>Butthead and South Park et al, which revel in bodily functions, or in the
whole
>series of cartoons like Cow and Chicken (which I like) and Two Stupid Dogs
>(which I dislike), which pair off wacky animal duos, one small and sarcastic
>and one big and goofy.

Actually, I think "The Simpsons" paved the way for Beavis and Butthead, South
Park, and shows of it's like. Anyway....

>and how could we all have neglected Space Ghost Coast to
>Coast?

Ya, Space Ghost can be hilarious some times. I love it. Good-day.

-Alex(The #2 Simpsons Fan)

FMCarroll

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>From: sji...@aol.com (SJim67)

>The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
>several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
>Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
>Critic".)
>

>Also, what does everyone think of the PJ's after their first two episodes?

Bob & Margaret and Dr. Katz both on Comedy Central. KOTH on Fox. I've only seen
one of Eddie Murphys new show, it was far tamer than I was led to believe it
was gonna be but I liked it.
Anyone keeping score?


Timaximus

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Wasn't "The Family Dog" a primetime show?


Tim
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Ben Collins

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In article <19990114191647...@ng100.aol.com>, tima...@aol.comsxe
(Timaximus) wrote:

>Wasn't "The Family Dog" a primetime show?

Yes, but anyone who's seen the show can testify that it was a VERY lame attempt
at a Simpsons rip-off, like The Simpsons in its 64th season with pink skin.
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MagmaGirl

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>You people are starting to remind me of a woman I encountered at a Star
>Trek convention once (one of only two I've ever been to, so don't go
>labelling me just yet)

I've been to a Trek convention! Why are people always apologetic about it?

>Looney Tunes, Simpsons, Bullwinkle, Batman: TAS, and old
>Fleischer Popeyes, AND THAT'S IT!!!

I would replace old Fleischer Popeyes with the Flintstones. I can't stand
those old Popeye cartoons.

SJim67

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>Wasn't "The Family Dog" a primetime show?


Yes. It was on ABC for an ever so short time.

We Are As1

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Three words:

Cow_and_Chicken.

Ondre Lombard

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On 15 Jan 1999, Ben Collins wrote:

> In article <19990114191647...@ng100.aol.com>, tima...@aol.comsxe
> (Timaximus) wrote:
>

> >Wasn't "The Family Dog" a primetime show?
>

> Yes, but anyone who's seen the show can testify that it was a VERY lame attempt
> at a Simpsons rip-off, like The Simpsons in its 64th season with pink skin.

The Family Dog was not really a rip off of The Simpsons. The Family
Dog was a special episode of Amazing Stories in 1986, which was much funnier
than the animated series was. The animated series was started in 1993 as an
obvious attempt to capitalize off of Simpsons. Leaving well enough alone
probably would've been a good idea.

Terence Connolly

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In article <19990113143636...@ng09.aol.com>,
magm...@aol.com (MagmaGirl) writes:
> I liked The Critic, The Tick, I loved Josie and the Pussycats, Voltron and Jem
> when I was a kid, I watch Dr. Katz whenever I can find it, and although I kind
> of like South Park, I can only tolerate it in small doses. (I know all the
> words to "It's Hard to be a Jew on Christmas", because when I was a kid, it
> was! I was the envy of all my teenage co-workers at the supermarket last
> year.)

>
> Mag
> "If you think back, and replay your year, if it doesn't bring you tears of
> either joy or sadness, consider the year wasted." -- John Cage, "Ally McBeal"
> "Problem is just a bleak word for challenge." -- Richard Fish, "Ally McBeal"

--


Todd Emerson

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<< Wasn't "The Family Dog" a primetime show? >>

<< Yes. It was on ABC for an ever so short time. >>

Actually, it was on CBS, but before that, it originated as an episode of
Spielberg's "Amazing Stories" on NBC, pre-dating "The Simpsons" (even as
shorts on Tracey's show) by a couple of years. But, I'm sure the series
went into development based on the popularity of OFF, even if it wasn't
a direct rip-off.

BTW, even though it wasn't "animated", I loved "Dinosaurs."

tpe
"Don't have a stegosaurus, man!"


John Duddy

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In article <77k50n$2e2$1...@ultra.sonic.net>,
Darrel Jones" <Dar...@sonic.net> writes:
>
>
>>

>
>
>I'd just like to say that 'South Park'is second only to the Simpsons when it
comes to cartoons. 'Pinky and the Brain' is also good.

Laniakea

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>>You people are starting to remind me of a woman I encountered at a Star
>>Trek convention once (one of only two I've ever been to, so don't go
>>labelling me just yet)
>
>I've been to a Trek convention! Why are people always apologetic about it?

I once went to a Star trek convention years ago (during my Star Trek-obsessive
phase). I was kind surprised by how much ofthe stuff there *wasn't* Star Trek
related. I'd say.... at least 25% was from other sci-fi shows, movies and
comics.


Liz
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Visit my page at http://members.aol.com/Laniakea/bracelet.html to order a
handmade bead bracelet.

Laniakea

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I used to be a huge fan of Animaniacs and Batman TAS/ Batman & Robin Adventures
until they moved to WB and Cartoon Network (at that time I didn't have either
of these two channels). Have you seen the rappy animation that they've mixed in
with the new Batman show? Ugh.

Anyway, I'm not a big fan of South Park but I try to watch it when I can (which
isn't often enough). And I love watching Daria.

Darrel Jones

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MagmaGirl wrote in message <19990114020921...@ng109.aol.com>...

>Darrel,
>
>You're right, I forgot about Dexter's Lab...and the Justice Friends thrown
in
>to boot!
>And Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain looks promising. One weekend I just kept
>answering all questions by saying "Choc'it pie!" try it! amaze your
friends!
>
>And I still have a place in my heart for "Tiny Toon Adventures" and
>"Animaniacs". I have a Babs Bunny keychain.
>
Thanks for reminding me about Warner Brothers' recent series. I like every
series I've seen since "Animaniacs" came out... except for "Road Rovers",
which was thnakfully short.

Ben Collins

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In article <Pine.LNX.3.95.990115051730.23984C-100000@lombard>, Ondre Lombard
<olom...@lombard.dialup.cyberverse.com> wrote:

>On 15 Jan 1999, Ben Collins wrote:
>
>> In article <19990114191647...@ng100.aol.com>,
tima...@aol.comsxe
>> (Timaximus) wrote:
>>

>> >Wasn't "The Family Dog" a primetime show?
>>

>> Yes, but anyone who's seen the show can testify that it was a VERY lame
attempt
>> at a Simpsons rip-off, like The Simpsons in its 64th season with pink skin.
>
> The Family Dog was not really a rip off of The Simpsons. The Family
>Dog was a special episode of Amazing Stories in 1986, which was much funnier
>than the animated series was. The animated series was started in 1993 as an
>obvious attempt to capitalize off of Simpsons. Leaving well enough alone
>probably would've been a good idea.

I saw one episode of "Family Dog," and don't remember a second of it. I guess
it's not a memorable show. And when I say it "ripped off" The Simpsons, I mean
it the way that you say it; it tried to capitalize on OFF. Like people will
watch any animated sitcom in prime time about a family. Such shows are cynical
marketing efforts that almost never work.
/-------------------------------------\
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Todd Emerson

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<< ...except for "Road Rovers", which was thnakfully short. >>

I'll agree that "Road Rovers" was a lame show, but it had one of the
coolest theme songs I've heard in a loooooong time. Reminded me of the
old, classic cartoon songs (most of which are on the CD "Toon Tunes").

tpe
"Barkin', scratchin', Frisbee-catchin'... "


AlmostPork

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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<<Yes, but anyone who's seen the show can testify that it was a VERY lame
attempt
at a Simpsons rip-off, like The Simpsons in its 64th season with pink skin.>>

I remember watching that show and I don't remember it being like the Simpsons
in any way. I recall it was a dog running around looking at things. Please
list the similarities please if if wouldn't be trouble.

I don't get how you people can like shows like "KaBlam" and "Hey Arnold" or
"Rugrats" those are kids shows, as much as I like kids shows like "Super
Friends" (greatest super hero cartoon show ever) I can't get into those dumb
Nickeloden shows. I can really get into the WB shows but since I get WGN I
never know when they're on.

Anyway cartoons I like:

Freakazoid
Animaniacs
King of the Hill
Pinky and the Brain
Superman
Batman
Space Ghost Coast to Coast
Cartoon Planet
Dr. Katz
The Critic
Bob and Margret

I hate the PJs, that show is what is wrong with Eddie Murphy and society in
general.

Todd Emerson

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Jan 17, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/17/99
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<< Personally, I find most of the current WB toons to be totally lacking
in humor. "Animaniacs" and "Pinky and the Brain" are quite possibly the
most overrated cartoons series of all time. >>

I find ALL of the recent "humorous" WB cartoons to be horribly
offensive, beginning with that atrocity known as "Tiny Toon Adventures,"
and culminating in the absolutely wretched "Space Jam." I get the
feeling that the people responsible have never actually seen an old,
classic WB cartoon from the '40s & '50s. And if they have, they
certainly didn't "get" what made them so damn hilarious.

<< I hate the PJs, that show is what is wrong with Eddie Murphy and
society in general. >>

Are you going to blame FOX, Disney, Will Vinton, and the writers of the
show, too? Just because Eddie's name is being used to promote the show
is no reason to single him out. He's not even the sole creator of the
show. But, disregarding that, I'm going to disagree with you on "The
PJs", because I think it's a wonderfully funny show. Not all
black-themed sitcoms have to be "Martin" or "Living Single."
Occassionally we need a show that doesn't rely solely on street slang to
get laughs, like how "Roc" or "The Cosby Show" used to be before they
got preachy.

<< I think what is really wrong with society is how
overcommercialization and excess in media praise smokescreens actually
good entertainment and makes people sick of, and in fact angry at
certain things that they otherwise might've given a chance. >>

Amen to that. It's the old, "We can build 'em up, and we can tear 'em
down" syndrome. Along the lines of "I used to like that show/band/movie
series/etc., before they sold out/everybody else started to like it."

tpe


dal...@hotmail.com

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almos...@aol.com (AlmostPork) wrote:
> I don't get how you people can like shows like "KaBlam" and "Hey Arnold" or
> "Rugrats" those are kids shows, as much as I like kids shows like "Super
> Friends" (greatest super hero cartoon show ever) I can't get into those dumb
> Nickeloden shows.

It's all a question of taste, I guess. IMO, the cartoons on Nickelodeon are
NOT just for kids. "Hey Arnold" for instance has a low-key, genial sort of
humor that appeals as much to adults as to children, while "Kablam" and "Oh
Yeah! Cartoons" can be very inventive and visually creative.

As far as "Superfriends" go...I loved that show when I was a kid. When I see
it today, my first thought is "I actually LIKED this once?"

> I can really get into the WB shows but since I get WGN I never know when
> they're on.

Personally, I find most of the current WB toons to be totally lacking in


humor. "Animaniacs" and "Pinky and the Brain" are quite possibly the most
overrated cartoons series of all time.

> I hate the PJs, that show is what is wrong with Eddie Murphy and society in
> general.

I feel the same way about "Friends."


Dale G. Abersold
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DavyJones0

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<What other animated shows do Simpsons fans like>

I like the Rugrats, and reccomend it, it's a good family show, there's
something for everybody in that show.

Ondre Lombard

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On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 dal...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Personally, I find most of the current WB toons to be totally lacking in
> humor. "Animaniacs" and "Pinky and the Brain" are quite possibly the most
> overrated cartoons series of all time.

Animaniacs has indirectly been responsible for many important social
experiences of my life, in addition to being top-notch comedy entertainment in
its 65-episode first season. I'm not sure what type of humor you go for,
but IMO, Animaniacs was a strong show when it began, and gradually grew
mediocre in its following four seasons. Pinky and the Brain is a superfluous
and often unfunny cartoon show, though.

> > I hate the PJs, that show is what is wrong with Eddie Murphy and society in
> > general.
>
> I feel the same way about "Friends."

I like Friends. *shrug* Though it was better several years ago
than it is now. I think what is really wrong with society is how


overcommercialization and excess in media praise smokescreens actually good
entertainment and makes people sick of, and in fact angry at certain
things that they otherwise might've given a chance.

Ondre Lombard <olom...@lombard.dialup.cyberverse.com>

Thor Cromer

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dal...@hotmail.com wrote in message <77u5t6,

>
>Personally, I find most of the current WB toons to be totally lacking in
>humor. "Animaniacs" and "Pinky and the Brain" are quite possibly the most
>overrated cartoons series of all time.
>


Yikes! "Animaniacs" is awesome....and often educational for the younger
crowd. You don't find that often.

-Thor


Benjamin Robinson

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In alt.tv.simpsons, on the "What other animated shows do Simpson fans like?"
thread, SJim67 wrote:

>The success of the Simpsons has spawned many prime time cartoons in the last
>several years. I'm just curious as to what other prime time animated shows
>Simpsons fans like (or liked, such as the long ago twice cancelled "The
>Critic".)

In no particluar order (or rather, in the order that I thought of them) here's
what I watch regularly, aside from "The Simpsons":

"King of the Hill" -- Actually, there are fewer people who can make this claim
than there used to be, since KotH is pulling weaker numbers since moving to
Tuesday. Perhaps it too low-key and introspective for its own good? This is
one of the few animated series I've seen that could work (theoretically, at
least) as a live-action show.

"Powerpuff Girls" -- The writings pretty clever, the bad guys are really
creative (especially Him), but I really love the cutie-pie animation style.
This might sound shallow, but looks are important in a medium like animation.
Ugly animation is off-putting to me, at least initially. I'm drawn to the
cleaner and, yes, cuter style myself.

"Space Ghost: Coast to Coast" -- Uneven, but when it scores, it scores big. I
really liked that one where Zorak was the subject of a "This is Your Life"-type
special.

There were two other shows that I watched fairly often, but I guess it didn't do
much good, because they're both off the air now:

"The Critic" -- Someone said this was trying too hard to be "The Simpsons."
Indeed, it was a lot like what you might get if "The Simpsons" consisted
entirely of movie references. Funny, but I didn't take it to heart the way I
did with OFF.

"Daria" (at least, I =assume= it isn't being shown anymore; I haven't seen it in
several months) -- On the surface, a witty but aloof show, just like the title
character. Look deeper, and you'll find that it has an subtle emotional core.

"Beavis & Butt-Head" -- Another uneven show, but I liked it more often than not.
Am I the only one who thought the bits where B&B commented on videos was
sometimes the funniest part of the show?

Uh, and that's about it. I might add some other shows to the list, like
"Dexter's Lab," but they're on on inconvenient time periods and I really should
be watching less TV, anyway.

By the way, you might note the absence of "South Park" from my post. That's
deliberate -- I've only seen two SP eps. The Christmas special was pretty good,
but the Thanksgiving show was nothing to write home about. Besides, the whole
thing airs opposite "Law & Order," currently one of TV's better shows. I will
say that "South Park" has done one useful thing. When "The Simpsons" was in its
massive-hype period around 1991, I knew a few people who Didn't Get It, and
wondered where their heads were at. Thanks to the incessant "SP" hype, I now
know how they felt!
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Andrew Gill

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dal...@hotmail.com wrote in article
<77u5t6$jlc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>
> Personally, I find most of the current WB toons to be totally lacking
in
> humor. "Animaniacs" and "Pinky and the Brain" are quite possibly the
most
> overrated cartoons series of all time.

Wow! Someone who agrees with me on this point! P&TB includes some
literate refs, now and then, but the few times that I've seen it, it's
been spoiled by the superficial and trite nature of the show.

Animaniacs would be a better show, if the characters didn't annoy me so
much, and if there was less of an emphasis on zany humor.

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DavyJones0

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"Beavis & Butt-Head" -- Another uneven show, but I liked it more often than
not.
Am I the only one who thought the bits where B&B commented on videos was
sometimes the funniest part of the show?>

You're not alone. I loved the time where Butthead was going, "Uhh... is this
like, Jeporday?" then they continue.
The only time on the show I've really cracked up on is when they took the
arousement test.

Darrel Jones

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Todd Emerson wrote in message
<23615-36...@newsd-252.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

<< I think what is really wrong with society is how
overcommercialization and excess in media praise smokescreens actually
good entertainment and makes people sick of, and in fact angry at
certain things that they otherwise might've given a chance. >>

Amen to that. It's the old, "We can build 'em up, and we can tear 'em


down" syndrome. Along the lines of "I used to like that show/band/movie
series/etc., before they sold out/everybody else started to like it."

I don't see ANY reason to hate something/someone just because "everybody
else started to like it". And I don't know about the concept of "selling
out", it just seems so subjective to me.

Todd Emerson

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<< I don't see ANY reason to hate something/someone just because
"everybody else started to like it". And I don't know about the concept
of "selling out", it just seems so subjective to me.>>

I agree. There isn't any reason for that attitude, but some people seem
to enjoy having it. You know, some folks think they've discovered
something unique that only they know about, so they have this air about
them, as if they're saying, "I know something the rest of you PEONS
don't!" But, when said item becomes part of the popular culture, these
folks don't want to be thought of as going along with the crowd, so they
adopt the attitude of, "I used to like (fill in blank) before they sold
out!" Whether said item actually sold out or not means nothing to these
people; they just want to maintain their "cool" about the whole thing.

Not that I would ever do that, of course. But, since "Enter Sandman,"
Metallica has become a bunch of weenies. ; )

tpe
"I'm not following mob mentality, I'm just going along with the crowd."


spizork

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the PJs is tragically unfunny. I'm white and Eddie Murphy's white jokes
(and the BHC movies) are the only things that really make me laugh (from
him). His "undercover whitey" sketch on SNL has made me laugh for years,
just thinking about it. "what a silly negro!" is the the funniest (though
out of context here) white joke ever. The fatal flaw in every black comedy
is that it is either too stereotypical (Martin, Living Single) or it is
wayyy too focused upon race relations (Roc). I can't think of the last
black comedy i found enjoyable, only the individual performances of Eddie
Murphy (prior to the PJs), Chris Rock, and the all-time best predominantly
black show, In Living Color, really make me ROFL. I hate to get into the
whole race thing, and that's why shows that either take it lightly or
overlook it as trivial are the best. TV is undoubtedly getting worse these
days. primetime sitcoms are going down the toilet (look at Seinfeld for the
past 3 years.. they ended that show WAY too late). Friends has become
hackneyed, Frasier has lost its intelligence, and everything else is
unoriginal slop. The Simpsons, South Park, and the Upright Citizens Brigade
are the only true standout programs. I don't need to justify the Simpsons
to you all (I would hope), South Park is very clever, despite everyone's
belief that it is just crude humor, and the UCB is the absolute most
intelligent comedy show ever to air (watch it with an open, thoughtful mind
from the 1st episode to the epic little donny foundation finale). I am sad
that shows such as the Tick and the Critic are gone.. they were truly sly,
smart comedies. TV is only good for sporting events, news (excluding
endless Clinton stories), and a few outstanding programs. Truly a shame.

Todd Emerson wrote in message
<23615-36...@newsd-252.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
<< Personally, I find most of the current WB toons to be totally lacking
in humor. "Animaniacs" and "Pinky and the Brain" are quite possibly the
most overrated cartoons series of all time. >>

I find ALL of the recent "humorous" WB cartoons to be horribly


offensive, beginning with that atrocity known as "Tiny Toon Adventures,"
and culminating in the absolutely wretched "Space Jam." I get the
feeling that the people responsible have never actually seen an old,
classic WB cartoon from the '40s & '50s. And if they have, they
certainly didn't "get" what made them so damn hilarious.

<< I hate the PJs, that show is what is wrong with Eddie Murphy and
society in general. >>

Are you going to blame FOX, Disney, Will Vinton, and the writers of the


show, too? Just because Eddie's name is being used to promote the show
is no reason to single him out. He's not even the sole creator of the
show. But, disregarding that, I'm going to disagree with you on "The
PJs", because I think it's a wonderfully funny show. Not all
black-themed sitcoms have to be "Martin" or "Living Single."
Occassionally we need a show that doesn't rely solely on street slang to
get laughs, like how "Roc" or "The Cosby Show" used to be before they
got preachy.

<< I think what is really wrong with society is how


overcommercialization and excess in media praise smokescreens actually
good entertainment and makes people sick of, and in fact angry at
certain things that they otherwise might've given a chance. >>

Amen to that. It's the old, "We can build 'em up, and we can tear 'em
down" syndrome. Along the lines of "I used to like that show/band/movie
series/etc., before they sold out/everybody else started to like it."

tpe


Darrel Jones

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dal...@hotmail.com wrote in message <77u5t6$jlc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>almos...@aol.com (AlmostPork) wrote:
>> I don't get how you people can like shows like "KaBlam" and "Hey Arnold"
or

>> "Rugrats" those are kids shows, as much as I like kids shows like "Super
>> Friends" (greatest super hero cartoon show ever) I can't get into those
dumb
>> Nickeloden shows.
>
>It's all a question of taste, I guess. IMO, the cartoons on Nickelodeon
are
>NOT just for kids. "Hey Arnold" for instance has a low-key, genial sort of
>humor that appeals as much to adults as to children, while "Kablam" and "Oh
>Yeah! Cartoons" can be very inventive and visually creative.
>
>As far as "Superfriends" go...I loved that show when I was a kid. When I
see
>it today, my first thought is "I actually LIKED this once?"
>
Hey, it could be worse... you could've loved "Turbo Teen". :o)

michael

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Woooooo Hooooo. people who understand that most modern animation is piss
poor. Animaniacs is so lame it has been cancelled down here for years.

I though "DUCKMAN" was a pretty good show and the old WB toons with Foghorn
Leghorn etc are timeless (bugs bunny shits me though).

Dave.

> > Personally, I find most of the current WB toons to be totally lacking
> in
> > humor. "Animaniacs" and "Pinky and the Brain" are quite possibly the
> most
> > overrated cartoons series of all time.
>

Jeff Dean

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Todd Emerson wrote:

> don't!" But, when said item becomes part of the popular culture, these
> folks don't want to be thought of as going along with the crowd, so they
> adopt the attitude of, "I used to like (fill in blank) before they sold
> out!"

I agree. What pisses me off is how it's necessary for a band to
practically starve nowadays in order to avoid being labeled a sellout.
Here's a hint: Bands do not automatically begin to suck once they find
mainstream popularity. Some people need to learn that.

Todd Emerson

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<< Here's a hint: Bands do not automatically begin to suck once they
find mainstream popularity. Some people need to learn that. >>

No, they start to suck only after they've sobered up! : )


LarryJG

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I have to agree with you. I especially enjoyed when B&B would rag on
the 80s metal bands like Accept ("Here comes Krokus to kick their
ass.") and Whitesnake. The one show that stands out for my is
Cornholio. What the hell was Mike Judge doing when he came up with
that?
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Darrel Jones

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michael wrote in message <01be43b7$a4604000$0b0f65cb@default>...

>Woooooo Hooooo. people who understand that most modern animation is piss
>poor. Animaniacs is so lame it has been cancelled down here for years.
>
>I though "DUCKMAN" was a pretty good show and the old WB toons with Foghorn
>Leghorn etc are timeless (bugs bunny shits me though).
>
Oh, so you subscribe to the "older ones are better cause they're timeless"
school? Well, many of the old Warner shorts feature charactures of
celbrities and references to current events (especially ones made during
WWII), just like Animaniacs and The Simpsons. And I won't even get into
certain (mostly racial stereotype) gags or even whole shorts deemed so
inappropriate by today's standards that one never sees them on TV anymore.
And this is a sign of "timelessness"?

CoryanderX

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>No, they start to suck only after they've sobered up! : )

I was chuckling at that until I realized that it's kinda true, at least
with the bands I like(d). :\

Sunshine

It's not peace I want, not mere
contentment. It's boundless joy
and ecstasy for me.
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things, patiently waiting for
our wits to grow sharper.
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M,D

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No, no , no , no. "Old" is not necessarily timeless. I only stated that the
WB toons were timeless, not all animations pre-1970. I also mentioned that
I liked Duckman.......hellllloooo.

What the hell is with the racist stuff??? Since when did foghorn pick on
the dog because he had brown fur.

Lighten up.

Dave.

Darrel Jones <Dar...@sonic.net> wrote in article
<786752$b3s$1...@ultra.sonic.net>...

Tony

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CoryanderX wrote:
>
> >No, they start to suck only after they've sobered up! : )
>
>I was chuckling at that until I realized that it's kinda true, at least
> with the bands I like(d). :\
>
> Sunshine

Everybody knows the best bands are affiliated with satan...

Craig Winckler

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Personally I hated B&B the show, I really liked the movie though. I guess I hated
it cause I don't like music video's, and the whole ragging on them was just a rip
off of MST3K (which I would like to point out has been on the air for an
incredibly long time, it started at a station here in Minneapolis 11 or 12 years
ago.) Has anyone seen Hysteria? I've seen a couple of episodes and I thought it
was pretty funny, of course most of you would probably disagree.

DavyJones0 wrote:

> "Beavis & Butt-Head" -- Another uneven show, but I liked it more often than
> not.
> Am I the only one who thought the bits where B&B commented on videos was
> sometimes the funniest part of the show?>
>
> You're not alone. I loved the time where Butthead was going, "Uhh... is this
> like, Jeporday?" then they continue.
> The only time on the show I've really cracked up on is when they took the
> arousement test.

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Todd Emerson

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<< Everybody knows the best bands are affiliated with satan... >>

Reminds me of the "Calvin & Hobbes" strip where Calvin asked his mom for
a "Satan-worshipping, suicide-inducing heavy metal album." When his mom
pointed out that all those bands were just in it for the money, and that
if they all really believed in what their personas suggest, they would
have commited ritual suicide years ago, Calvin's response was classic:
"Mainstream commercial nihilism can't be trusted?!?"

Or Jay Leno's joke, back when Judas Priest was on trial: "Have you heard
their songs? They sing about devil worship, bestiality, anarchy... And
those people are worried about BACKWARDS messages?"

tpe
"Do it! Do it! Do it!"


MagmaGirl

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>Has anyone seen Hysteria? I've seen a couple of episodes and I thought it
>was pretty funny, of course most of you would probably disagree.
>

I saw Histeria a couple of times. I need to watch it more to get into the
characters; it reminds me a lot of Animaniacs, probably because of the similar
animation and voiceover artists.

Mag
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either joy or sadness, consider the year wasted." -- John Cage, "Ally McBeal"
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Darrel Jones

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M,D wrote in message <01be4547$701261c0$4b4838cb@default>...

>No, no , no , no. "Old" is not necessarily timeless. I only stated that the
>WB toons were timeless, not all animations pre-1970. I also mentioned that
>I liked Duckman.......hellllloooo.
>
>What the hell is with the racist stuff??? Since when did foghorn pick on
>the dog because he had brown fur.
>
>Lighten up.
>
I'm sorry... I just don't like the idea of pre-judging what will stand the
test of time and what won't, before time gets to pass. And yes, Warner
Brothers did use some racist stuff during their pre-WW II and WW II cartoons
(although they're reluctant to admit it). Why do you think they don't show
the aftermath of explosions on TV no more?

Darrel Jones

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Craig Winckler wrote in message <36A75B5A...@tc.umn.edu>...

>Has anyone seen Hysteria? I've seen a couple of episodes and I thought it
>was pretty funny, of course most of you would probably disagree.
>


I won't disagree. Despite the obvious silliness of the show, a kid (or an
adult!) can learn something about history they never knew before. And yes,
there are a few "bodily functions" jokes, but most of them deal with the
baby's diaper. And I thought thew handled the "Vomitorium" segment well.
(Yes, ancient Romans DID throw up during their feasts so they could eat
more.) If you watch closely, they never show someone vomit on-screen. And
the network censor's reaction was hilarious and appropriate.

Joey Jo-Jo AKA Gary

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I agree. There is no denying that old WB cartoons (as well as many other
forties and fifites cartoons by other studios) are quite timeless. It is one
of the few things that kids still enjoy from that time period. After all,
not many kids listen to old radio sitcoms or watch old movies (I was an
exception.)

Though many references are lost on a ninties audience, (especially of young
kids), the cartoons still stand the test of time. I doubt some kids know
that they are even old cartoons.

It is also true that some cartoons are no longer shown on TV stations like
Nick or the Cartoon Network due to references that would blatantly go over
the heads of the main audience (such as long cartoons about popular culture
of the time.) These are not timeless to the same degree, but they are still
great cartoons if you understand the references.

It is a lot like The Simpsons. Will *everyone* get all the references in
The Simpsons in fourty or fifty years? No way. Does that stop it from being
a good show? Yes. Aren't their people who watch it today who understand very
few of the references but still enjoy it? The answer to that is also yes.

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M,D wrote in message <01be4547$701261c0$4b4838cb@default>...
>No, no , no , no. "Old" is not necessarily timeless. I only stated that the
>WB toons were timeless, not all animations pre-1970. I also mentioned that
>I liked Duckman.......hellllloooo.
>
>What the hell is with the racist stuff??? Since when did foghorn pick on
>the dog because he had brown fur.
>
>Lighten up.
>

Joey Jo-Jo AKA Gary

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> Does that stop it from being a good show? Yes.

Sorry. I mean, of course, *no.*

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DavyJones0

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My other fav. animated show is Rugrats. It's a multi-genre show. It's sometimes
full of comedy, or it has adventure-filled episodes, it has heartwarming
episodes, and I also recalled an Episode which had a fright sequence which even
scared me! Concerning sophisticated humor, the Rugrats isn't on the Simpsons
level, but usually has sophisticated jokes. Like the Simpsons, the Rugrats is
suffering from crappy new Episodes.

mike...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <36A75B5A...@tc.umn.edu>,

Craig Winckler <winc...@tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> Personally I hated B&B the show, I really liked the movie though. I guess I
> hatedit cause I don't like music video's, and the whole ragging on them was

> just a rip off of MST3K (which I would like to point out has been on the air
> for an incredibly long time, it started at a station here in Minneapolis 11 or
> 12 years ago.) Has anyone seen Hysteria? I've seen a couple of episodes and

> I thought it was pretty funny, of course most of you would probably disagree.

Hysteria is pretty good, but they waste a whole lot of time doing that thing
where all of the characters go through that role call saying 'Hysteria.'
I've been trying to follow this thread and I'm somewhat surprised that no one
(that I've seen) has mentioned Daria- which was spun off from B&B. It's not
the most mainstream show but does have a fairly large and loyal following.

>
> --
> "I am so smart, I am so smart. SMRT, I mean SMART." Homer Simpson
>
> Craig Winckler
>


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CoryanderX

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>I've been trying to follow this thread and I'm somewhat surprised that no one
>(that I've seen) has mentioned Daria- which was spun off from B&B. It's not
>the most mainstream show but does have a fairly large and loyal following.

I realized after I posted that I forgot Daria, but didn't bother to correct
myself. I love the show :) And I'm a virtual Daria clone.

MagmaGirl

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>I've been trying to follow this thread and I'm somewhat surprised that no one
>(that I've seen) has mentioned Daria- which was spun off from B&B.

I thought I had mentioned Daria. That show is great! Especially the one where
Quinn decides to be a writer, and Daria has an identity crisis.

Rich Bunnell

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ea...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> Anyone into Anime?

It seems that everyone on the planet except me is into Anime. I could
never get into it.

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<< Anyone into Anime? >>

Dear God, NNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!


CoryanderX

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>I thought I had mentioned Daria. That show is great! Especially the one
>where
>Quinn decides to be a writer, and Daria has an identity crisis.

Hehe, my favorite episodes are the one where the football star dies; the
one where Daria and Jodie visit the private school (and Quinn keeps getting
kicked out of her friends' houses); and the RenFaire one.

CoryanderX

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> There is no denying that old WB cartoons (as well as many other
>forties and fifites cartoons by other studios) are quite timeless. It is one
>of the few things that kids still enjoy from that time period.

Actually, neither me, my sister, or anyone else that we knew ever liked the
old Looney Tunes. Especially the black-and-white ones (what the hell sort of
mutation was Bosco, anyway?). Different 'toons for different loons, though.

MagmaGirl

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> Hehe, my favorite episodes are the one where the football star dies; the
>one where Daria and Jodie visit the private school (and Quinn keeps getting
>kicked out of her friends' houses); and the RenFaire one.

I only saw part of the RenFaire one, but it was pretty good. I like the one
with Daria getting a rash over Trent--anything with Daria and Trent is
great--and did you notice that in the private school ep, they mentioned Ayn
Rand?

CoryanderX

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>I only saw part of the RenFaire one, but it was pretty good. I like the one
>with Daria getting a rash over Trent--anything with Daria and Trent is
>great--and did you notice that in the private school ep, they mentioned Ayn
>Rand?

Oh, yeah. Basically, I like all the Season Two episodes, and the only
reason I don't like the older ones as much is because they were overplayed to
death (and I have them all on video, hehe). And yes, I noticed Ayn Rand... I
don't quite know who she is, but I gathered she's not very upbeat, hehe.

"Actually Goya liked to paint destruction, death... you'd have made good pen
pals."
(or something like that)

MagmaGirl

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>And yes, I noticed Ayn Rand... I
>don't quite know who she is, but I gathered she's not very upbeat, hehe.

I would recommend "Atlas Shrugged", which is my favorite book, but it's over
1000 pages, so read "Anthem".

ea...@mindspring.com

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Anyone into Anime?

Craig Winckler

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I love anime, especially MD Geist and Vampire Hunter D, but I hate Akira
(too heavy on drama and too light on action for an anime)

ea...@mindspring.com wrote:

> Anyone into Anime?

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CoryanderX

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>It seems that everyone on the planet except me is into Anime. I could
>never get into it.

I have seen precisely one bit of Anime in my life. At a friend's
seven-year-old birthday party, we watched a video about a boy who looked like a
muffin riding around in a balloon and yelling things at birds in Japanese. It
traumatized me.

Metlhd3138

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I cant get into Anime either. Not for the animation style which is great, but
for the 'snobbery' of certain fans. They treat you like you cant watch
something like tank police and in the same afternoon, a john candy film. I'll
stick with the video game adaptions of anime.

MagmaGirl

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>> Anyone into Anime?

I like Matthew Sweet videos (which feature Lum and some animated film), and I
watched "Warriors of the Wind" and "Grave of the Fireflies", but other than
that...well, is Voltron considered anime, or no?

Eric A. Sim

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MagmaGirl wrote in message <19990123122419...@ng-fp1.aol.com>...

>>> Anyone into Anime?
>
>I like Matthew Sweet videos (which feature Lum and some animated film), and
I
>watched "Warriors of the Wind" and "Grave of the Fireflies", but other than
>that...well, is Voltron considered anime, or no?


The cartoon that was in the video was an Anime called Space Adventure Cobra
in which Cobra, when approached by enemies, loses half of his
intellegence... I think I was the one who asked that question.. if you like
anime, try the Right Stuf (I think they also have a website) I haven't seen
the others, but I think Voltron is considred live action...

mike...@my-dejanews.com

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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In article <19990122165341...@ng30.aol.com>,

corya...@aol.comIEatSpam (CoryanderX) wrote:
> >I've been trying to follow this thread and I'm somewhat surprised that no one
> >(that I've seen) has mentioned Daria- which was spun off from B&B. It's not
> >the most mainstream show but does have a fairly large and loyal following.
>
> I realized after I posted that I forgot Daria, but didn't bother to correct
> myself. I love the show :) And I'm a virtual Daria clone.
>

Really, we got a lot of people over at alt.tv.daria that have made the same
claim. None of them have offered any proof yet :)

CoryanderX

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>Really, we got a lot of people over at alt.tv.daria that have made the same
>claim. None of them have offered any proof yet :)

Umm... when my friend's mom met me, she told my friend that I looked like
Daria, without any mention of the show on my friend's part... hehe. :) These
days I look like Daria and act more like Jane, though.

(Has anyone ever noticed that female misfits always seem to have crushes on
musicians? Daria, Dawn in Welcome to the Dollhouse, Lisa ("Joy to the world,
the teacher's dead")...)

MagmaGirl

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>I haven't seen
>the others, but I think Voltron is considred live action...

How? It's animated!

When I was little I used to make paper dolls of all the characters and make my
own stories. Princess Allura's cousin (also a princess, I don't remember her
name) got married to Hunk. :) When I was younger than that I also used to
make up my own "Josie and the Pussycats" adventures using my Crayola markers,
because I didn't know how to draw yet.

MagmaGirl

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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>Lisa ("Joy to the world,
>the teacher's dead")...)

She also liked Mr. Bergstrom who had a guitar on the first day he was there...

Hey, at my highest adolescent misfity point, I had a crush on Peter Tork...

CoryanderX

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>Hey, at my highest adolescent misfity point, I had a crush on Peter Tork...

All of my friends have recently become Leif Garrett fanatics... quite
scary, t'is.

MagmaGirl

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> All of my friends have recently become Leif Garrett fanatics... quite
>scary, t'is.

Hey, have you seen him on VH-1 lately? He doesn't look like a girl anymore!
He's a hottie! David Cassidy didn't age well at all though.

CoryanderX

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>> All of my friends have recently become Leif Garrett fanatics... quite
>>scary, t'is.
>
>Hey, have you seen him on VH-1 lately? He doesn't look like a girl anymore!

I haven't seen him in the past, present or future, but I do know they all
agree he's dreamier in the 70's...

MagmaGirl

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>I haven't seen him in the past, present or future, but I do know they all
>agree he's dreamier in the 70's...

In the 70s he could have been one of the Brady girls. Or a member of Hanson.

I had a dream I was hanging out with Hanson. They had their own jacket store
and they got a ticking package, so they had me open it to make sure it wasn't a
mail bomb.

CoryanderX

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>In the 70s he could have been one of the Brady girls. Or a member of Hanson.

}:P

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