>Would OFF make fun of any
>other minority the way they pick on gays?
Certainly not Hindus! . :)
Seriously, though, I think the show is pretty much "equal oportunity" in its
mockery. Even liberals and environmentalists get their share. Like Monty
Python used to be --nothing is sacred/anything for a laugh.
Want to go out?
Well, except for Smithers.
Okay, my email address is Yeah-ba...@aol.com....
I'm not ranting or anything, I am just making an observation. I mean the
represenstation of gay men on The Simpsons is getting more one-dimensional. For
several years Smithers was quite masculine, yet the writers have effeminated
him gradually (collecting Barbies, for instance), now he's rollerblading down
the street with rainbow hotpants on? What next for him, I can only imagine. I
guess its official now, Carl and Lenny are gay, hopefully they writers will
handle that maturely, or else why bother?
I can't give statistics, but I'm not sure about the job. Yes, over
the years he's made comments to/about Mr Burns, but I thought that
was fairly constant.
What is happening is that as time goes by, we see more of his home life.
And that's where he's happiest. When we get a look at all that, then
his intererests become far more obvious. He at times seems like
two different people. Yet I'm not so sure it's completely that he
his hiding his home life at work, but that he is business-like
at work, and then is different at home.
His reaction when the guys on the trolley (suddenly, Springfield has
trolley's? Seems more like a San Francsisco reference) make comments
could be that of someone who is trying to hide his orientation from the
people at work, or a clash of two worlds. If someone learns
something about you that you hadn't told them, you may react
the same way, and it doesn't really matter what the thing is.
You need time to adjust to them knowing.
It might be said that Smithers is quite open about his sexuality,
just not with the people at work. If he was trying to hide it,
he wouldn't be rollerblading in shorts in the gay side of town.
And he likely wouldn't be a visible expert on Malibu Stacy. He
also wouldn't be known to the guys on the trolley. Instead,
he'd be dressing the same way at home, and live quietly.
"Jsonitsac" <jlos...@mwc.edu> wrote in message
What about their representation of kilt wearing Scotsmen or slack-jawed, inbred
Just about every stereotype exists on the Simpsons.
Willie -- Bushy-haired, kilt wearing, Haggis eating, funny-accented Scotsman.
Luigi -- Chico Marx styled Italian accent, Mario Bros.-like mustache, and he is
a chef (that, along with organ grinder, opera singer and mobster [see Fat Tony
below] seem to be the main occuptions of Italians in Hollywood).
Fat Tony -- Italian Mobster
Cletus -- Inbred, slack-jawed yokel. He is also incredibly stupid like all
hillbillies on tv. Extra points for funny southern accent.
Apu & Sanjay -- Hindu who runs convenience store, has funny accent.
Montgomery Burns -- Greedy, hard-hearted robber baron.
The Flanders -- Overbearing and pollyanna-like, clean-living Christians.
Sea Captain -- Talks with an "arrh, Matey" type voice, like the stereotype of
an old salt.
Rainier Wolfcastle -- Austrian accented actor.
Uter -- German exchange student. Speaks with accent. Loves chocolate. Wears
Dr. Nick -- Hungarian accent (?)
Lou -- Black cop with large genitalia.
Krusty -- Jewish entertainer stereotype.
Rabbi Krustofsky -- Speaks in Yiddish dialect. (There is also an unnamed old
man that speaks with the same dialect on the show.)
Bumblebee Man -- Mexican entertainer.
Texan -- Stereotype of a Texas oil millionaire. Wears Stenson hat and cowboy
belt buckle and boots. Speaks with a southwestern drawl.
Milhouse, Database and Prof. Frink -- Nerds
Mayor Quimby -- Corrupt, Kennedy-like politician. Speaks with Boston accent.
...and much, much more. So lighten up, folks!
Either way, it isn't funny or "daring". I think Smithers is probably a much
more "daring" gay character for just being there as a regular for 13 years with
something to do besides "be gay".
It seems to be a combination of both.
>Either way, it isn't funny or "daring". I think Smithers is probably a much
>more "daring" gay character for just being there as a regular for 13 years
>something to do besides "be gay".
The Simpsons, in general, stopped being a funny or daring show a long time ago.
If Smithers were truly comfortable with himself then he wouldn't need
to hide it at work.
>My sense is that he's out w/in the Springfield gay community (whose size
>does seem to fluctuate quite a bit).
Not necessarily. In the Season 13 episode that began with the Gay Pride
parade (no, I don't remember the title -- that's the problem with these
episodes that have an Act 1 unrelated to the main plot!) there was an "In
the Closet" float in which Smithers was in one closet, with Patty in the
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Hmmm.... Eternal happiness for one dollar? [Pauses] On second thought,
I'd be happier *with* the dollar. --Montgomery Burns
Maybe that was just a role, like someone else would dress up in a clown
suit. They wanted a "closet" float, nobody wanted to do it, so he
said he would, proving his place in the gay community.
My theory was that Smithers was more along the lines of a "Burns-o-sexual"
"It's a word. You know why? 'Cause I say so, that's why!"
No, you are wrong, and you know it because it is a fact.
Moe is Polish. His last name is Szyslak. However in "Bart's Inner Child" (1F05)
Moe's inner child spoke with an Italian accent.
The Simpsons is a comedy, so everything is an extreme.. Every character
trait is an extreme. Homer can't just be a little dumb, he has to be so
dumb that people wonder how he remembers the blink.. His boss can't just
be mean, he has to be an evil villain.. Flanders can't be just
christian, he has to be blah blah blah.. You know what I mean!
Springfield's gay guys can't just be gay, they have to be EXTREME gay!
And if they had more indian characters on the show, you can bet they'd
all pretty much act like Apu..
The only extreme I've noticed that The Simpsons have avoided is doing
black stereotypes. Probably because *every* other comedy seems to touch
on the subject. I don't know.
to coin something I read (after I wrote it), "Making sense is as over
rated as gerbil pellets".. <--- Wrap your brain around that one...
Unless of course you don't hate yourself...
Which is the fact, that I'm wrong or that it wasn't funny? It was
funny, a number of people commented on it being one of the best this
You said the Simpsons stopped being funny a long time ago, which is
clearly wrong as Sunday's was funny. I enjoy your pining for the old
days though, it's cute in a 'my grandfather talking about World War
II' sort of way.
I think he prefers to keep himself closeted at work because he's afraid he
might be rejected by Mr. Burns if the old man knew about his orientation.
Maybe Smithers doesn't want to risk losing Burns' friendship, especially as
they've known eachother for so long.
Not that Smithers needs to worry. Burnsie probably knows about him anyway,
and doesn't care.
Charles Montgomery Burns --
"Oh, meltdown. It's one of those annoying 'buzzwords.'
We prefer to call it an unrequested fission surplus."
That's a good interpretatiion, because the only time Smithers gayness
shows up at work, unless I'm forgetting something, is when he blurts
out things to Mr Burns of a sexual nature. He does always cover
his remarks, and it could just as easily be because he is so smitten
with Mr. Burns that the rejection would be terrible than because
he is trying to hid his sexuality.
Why, both of course.
>You said the Simpsons stopped being funny a long time ago, which is
>clearly wrong as Sunday's was funny.
If you like mediocrity, that's fine. However, even the shows creators admit
that The Simpsons has lost its lustre. They also admit it's hard coming up with
new ideas and to avoid repeating themselves.
>I enjoy your pining for the old
>days though, it's cute in a 'my grandfather talking about World War
>II' sort of way.
Actually, I don't pine for the old days. I'm just an evil troll trying to bring
down the colossus that is The Simpsons with my negative carping.
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
P.S. Matt Groening is fat.
Yes, it's true. Smithers just can't cope with rejection. In all the 13
years we've known him he was at his most wretched state when Burns fired/
rejected him in the "Who Shot?" saga.
He just fell apart. What a mess.
So it's easy to understand why he wouldn't want to jeopardise his
relationship with Burns by coming out at work.
Smithers has got to be one of the most insecure characters in the show!