Are Bart, Lisa and Maggie Homer's children?
Junsok Yang
know the hair colors of three of the Simpson's grandparents: Marge's
grandmother has blue hair; Abe Simpson had brown hair; and Homer's mother
had a light blue hair. Homer had brown hair, and Marge, of course, has blue
hair.
Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way that
Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
Could it be that Marge had been (shudder) fooling around? Are Bart, Lisa
and Maggie truly Homer's children? You have to admit, it would explain a
LOT of things... :)
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Joe Manfre
(Junsok Yang) wrote:
> I was just watching some old Simpsons on tape and I noticed something. We
> know the hair colors of three of the Simpson's grandparents: Marge's
> grandmother has blue hair;
I believe that would be her mother, to pick a nit...
>Abe Simpson had brown hair; and Homer's mother
> had a light blue hair. Homer had brown hair, and Marge, of course, has blue
> hair.
>
> Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way that
> Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
>
> Could it be that Marge had been (shudder) fooling around? Are Bart, Lisa
> and Maggie truly Homer's children? You have to admit, it would explain a
> LOT of things... :)
Insinuating that our beloved Marjorie is anything but a faithful wife?
Talk about the boorish manners of a Yalie!
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: I was just watching some old Simpsons on tape and I noticed something. We
: know the hair colors of three of the Simpson's grandparents: Marge's
: hair.
: Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way that
: Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
: Could it be that Marge had been (shudder) fooling around? Are Bart, Lisa
: and Maggie truly Homer's children? You have to admit, it would explain a
: LOT of things... :)
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: "The idea seems to be that if people refuse to obey the
: equations we have fit to their past behavior, we can pass laws to
: make them do so." ... Robert Lucas & Thomas Sargent
:
: Junsok Yang (yan...@yalevm.cis.yale.edu)
I'm sure they ARE Homer's children. Marge only ALMOST fooled around with
that bowling instructer guy. Also, I have a friend who has 2 brothers & 1
sister, only one of her brothers has brown hair like their dad's the rest
are blond & their mom has black hair-& NO they're NOT from split up
families or anything like that. Or ever think that maybe they dye their
hair; I bet ya if they dye their hair (so they wont look anything like
Homer no doubt, not that I personaly have anything against that "big ol'
sack of sugar") some of that dye sepped into Bort's (sorry I mean-)
Bart's mind & that's why he's such a bad little boy.
Frampton Steve R
: Could it be that Marge had been (shudder) fooling around? Are Bart, Lisa
: and Maggie truly Homer's children? You have to admit, it would explain a
: LOT of things... :)
No way. That's not Marge's character. I think she's been tempted
to at times, but has always done the "right thing".
Allan Sproule
>Marge, of course, has blue hair.
She dies it, remember? Homer told his class about it.
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John Awbrey
yan...@yalevm.cis.yale.edu (Junsok Yang) wrote:
> Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way that
>Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
>
> Could it be that Marge had been (shudder) fooling around? Are Bart, Lisa
>and Maggie truly Homer's children? You have to admit, it would explain a
>LOT of things... :)
"Oh, Bart! Cartoons don't have to 100% realistic!"
-- Lisa, in the ep where Bart
accidentally joins the
Junior Campers.
That IS true, you know. Cartoons don't have to obey the laws
of genetics. They say _gayness_ is hereditary, and I highly
doubt that Smithers is from a gay family. :) Besides, they did
show Homer sexing Marge (not really showed, just indicated),
leading to Bart, Lisa, and Maggie, in three eps.
MS
John Awbrey
Kelly M Pellerin
> I was just watching some old Simpsons on tape and I noticed
something. > We know the hair colors of three of the Simpson's
grandparents: Marge's
> grandmother has blue hair;
> Abe Simpson had brown hair; and Homer's mother
> had a light blue hair. Homer had brown hair, and Marge, of course,
has > blue hair.
>
> Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way
that > Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
>
> Could it be that Marge had been (shudder) fooling around? Are
Bart, > Lisa and Maggie truly Homer's children? You have to admit,
it would > explain a LOT of things... :)
We know that Bart is Homer's because he and Marge did it in the castle
of the putt putt place, and she got knocked up.
Also, very often small children (10 and under) have blonde (or yellow)
hair, and it darkens as they get older.
Kelly
Mark Aaron Richey
> Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way that
>Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
>
> Could it be that Marge had been (shudder) fooling around? Are Bart, Lisa
>and Maggie truly Homer's children?
Well, considering that we were all but present when Bart and Maggie were
conceived, it's pretty clear that they are Homer's children. As for Lisa,
Homer's comment when Marge tells him she's pregnant with her (We're going
to do it in the morning, too?) makes it clear that Homer has been pretty
"busy" with Marge (with a kid like Bart in the house? Where did they find
the time?). So I don't think there's any doubt about the paternity of the
kids.
Mark Richey
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recesive genes. If both parents had yellow as their recesive genes then all children could
have yellow hair. , OK!!!! WAN'T A FIGHT!!!!
Repoman696
> Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way that
>Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
>
I remember my High School Biology, and even some of genetics, but I guess
I must have been gone the day they covered blue hair.
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Is it just me, or does this Glenn character seem exceptionally dumb?
Junsok Yang
>>I think you can't remember your biology lessons very well because you
>would have learned about
>>recesive genes. If both parents had yellow as their recesive genes
>then all children could
>>have yellow hair. , OK!!!! WAN'T A FIGHT!!!!
That's why I posted the hair colors of the grandparents. Assume yellow
hair is recessive. Marge's mother has blue hair; For the sake of argument,
say Marge's father had yellow hair. Then Marge has blue-yellow genes, with
blue being the dominant. (Assuming Marge dyes her hair to resemble her
natural hair color.)
Now, Homer's father had brown hair, his mother had blue hair; that means
Homer has brown-blue genes, with brown being dominant. Homer can pass on
either the brown or blue to Bart; Marge can pass on either blue or yellow to
Bart. If Marge passes the yellow gene, since it is *recessive*, Bart's hair
will be either brown or blue, depending on which gene Homer passed. If
Marge passed the blue gene, then Bart cannot have yellow hair, since no
yellow genes were passed by either parent.
If the yellow hair is a dominant characteristic, then Marge would have had
to have yellow hair for Bart to have yellow hair.
If Marge's father had a hair color other than yellow, then it becomes
harder for Bart to have yellow hair, not easier.
There may be a chance that a mixture of genes result in a yellow hair
color, but then that's college-level biology; not high school. :)
Of the responses I've seen so far either privately or publicly, (most
were courteous and humorous in the vein of the original post, some were
not.) the best pseudo-explanation I got so far that makes sense is that
sometimes hair color is lighter for young kids, but gets darker with age,
which is consistent with Bart et al. having brown hair in the future, but
not at present. (Of course, that doesn't explain how Bart, Lisa and Maggie
had yellow hair when the show speculated on their future, but then... as
another poster said, quoting the Simpsons themselves: "Cartoons don't have
to follow reality." :) ) Another was that Marge really has yellow hair,
but dyes it blue, which would work also, assuming yellow gene is dominant.
If anyone who knows biology better than I do care to respond, please go
ahead. I cheerfully acknowledge that I am not exactly a professional
geneticist.
Dedi Shy
Yeah, how come Bart calls Homer "Homer" and not "Dad"?
Wiz Bowes
In article <4lorsm$d...@news.ycc.yale.edu>
yan...@yalevm.cis.yale.edu "Junsok Yang" writes:
> That's why I posted the hair colors of the grandparents. Assume yellow
> hair is recessive. Marge's mother has blue hair; For the sake of argument,
> say Marge's father had yellow hair.
.... Yada Yada Yada ....
> If Marge's father had a hair color other than yellow, then it becomes
> harder for Bart to have yellow hair, not easier.
Marge's dad has got *brown* hair. He appears in the episode where Marge
delvelops a fear a flying. He worked for an airline company, as a
steward.
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KRISTI TOU
On 04-24-96, repom...@aol.com (repoman696) said to KRISTI TOU
at mailing address all
-> >Junsok Yang (yan...@yalevm.cis.yale.edu) wrote:
-> > Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way that
-> >Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
-> >
-> I remember my High School Biology, and even some of genetics, but I guess
-> I must have been gone the day they covered blue hair.
-> --
-> Repoman
Oh yeah?? Well, I am in High School Biology right now and don't
remember anything.
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Mark Aaron Richey wrote:
> Well, considering that we were all but present when Bart and Maggie were
> conceived, it's pretty clear that they are Homer's children.
I'm no great expert in the English tounge, but I'm pretty sure that when you
say "All but present" it means we were NOT present. Which is wrong.
And who is that Didi Shi guy you keep mentioning?
DKirk78
In article <318437...@post.tau.ac.il>, Dedi Shy <sh...@post.tau.ac.il>
writes:
>I'm no great expert in the English tounge, but I'm pretty sure that when
you
>say "All but present" it means we were NOT present. Which is wrong.
As Bob and Ray would say, "..the correct way of saying it is, 'everyone is
not around' "
Daniel "Hans Moleman" McCoy
Mark Aaron Richey
>>Marge, of course, has blue hair.
>
>She dies it, remember? Homer told his class about it.
Yeah, but it was originally blue. She just keeps it it's natural color.
She seems to be prematurely grey, however. Of course, being married to
Homer and having Bart as a son would probably do that to you.
Mark Richey
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>> Well, considering that we were all but present when Bart and Maggie were
>> conceived, it's pretty clear that they are Homer's children.
>
>I'm no great expert in the English tounge, but I'm pretty sure that when you
>say "All but present" it means we were NOT present. Which is wrong.
Yes and no. We didn't actually SEE Marge and Homer "doing it", but the
show made it incredibly clear that Homer impregnated Marge, with the golf
ball going into the hole and the lights going off in [8F10] (I Married
Marge) and Homer's sperm "d'oh"ing their way into Marge's egg in [2F10]
(And Maggie Makes Three).
>
>And who is that Didi Shi guy you keep mentioning?
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I finally figured out how to spell your name, and I
changed my sig files. Next time I name drop, I'll make sure I get your
name right.
Marc Ritchie
Mark
Glenn Mallon <Glenn....@sunderland.ac.uk> wrote:
>I think you can't remember your biology lessons very well because you would have learned about
>recesive genes. If both parents had yellow as their recesive genes then all children could
>have yellow hair. , OK!!!! WAN'T A FIGHT!!!!
Yes, and also in the episode where Homer teaches the class on
relationships/marriage, he tells the class the Marge dies her hair
blue.
Rick Diamant
In article <4mg1mi$8...@earth.superlink.net>
there also have blue hair, including Milhouse, Terri (or is it Sherri?),
Moe, Chief Wiggum, Skinner, Patty (or is it Selma?), and Itchy.
I think Marge dyes her hair because it has started to turn grey, and
she just wants to keep it its original color.
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krist...@westonia.com (KRISTI TOU) wrote:
>-> --
>-> Repoman
Marge Dyes her hair blue. She probably has yellow hair, so the kids
are allowed by the laws of genetics to have yellow hair. I've also
known of people who's hair turns color as they age, but homer is no
the case, acording to flashbacks. Anyways, its a cartoon show
John Robertson
I can't believe I'm posting this :)
Okay, first off, Marge dyes her hair blue because she's going grey. She's
always had blue hair.
And it's easy to have three blonde kids if both parents have dark hair.
Here's how it works:
Let's assume that blue and brown hair are caused by the same gene (just like
black and brown are in the non-Simpsons world).
Homer and Marge could both be carrying the blonde recessive gene, but if they
have a dominant dark haired gene, they won't have blonde hair. Now, if both
parents carry the blonde recessive gene, each child they have has a 25% chance
of being blonde. So, the odds of all three kids being blonde is exactly the
same as the odds of being able to reach into a deck of cards three times and
draw a diamond each time. Not so hard, eh?
John
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>krist...@westonia.com (KRISTI TOU) wrote:
>
>
>>On 04-24-96, repom...@aol.com (repoman696) said to KRISTI TOU
>>at mailing address all
>
>>-> >Junsok Yang (yan...@yalevm.cis.yale.edu) wrote:
>
>>-> > Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly,
there's no way that
>>-> >Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
>>-> >
>
>>-> I remember my High School Biology, and even some of genetics,
but I guess
>>-> I must have been gone the day they covered blue hair.
>
>>Oh yeah?? Well, I am in High School Biology right now and don't
>>remember anything.
>Marge Dyes her hair blue. She probably has yellow hair, so the
kids
>are allowed by the laws of genetics to have yellow hair. I've
also
>known of people who's hair turns color as they age, but homer is
no
>the case, acording to flashbacks. Anyways, its a cartoon show
>
Actually, if both Homer and Marge have one chromosome with the
yellow hair trait, an average of 1/4 ofthe children would have
yellow hair. If marge has yellow hair and dyed it blue, then an
average of 1/2 of the offspring would have yellow hair. This is
assuming that yellow hair is recessive. If it was dominant and
marge had yellow hair, 100% of the offspring would have yellow
hair(I should have done my term paper on this), but this is a
cartoon, and play by different rules(including that everybody has
only four fingers). It's been fun trying to remember genetics,
though.
Damon C Capehart
John Robertson (jo...@vnet.ibm.com) wrote:
> So, the odds of all three kids being blonde is exactly the same as the
> odds of being able to reach into a deck of cards three times and draw a
> diamond each time. Not so hard, eh?
Actually, I have a real life anecdote as a possible explanation.
My friend Nathan has a 2 yr old niece, Amanda, who is VERY blonde.
Neither of her parents are blonde. However, as it turns out, both Nathan
and Chris (N's bro and A's dad) had the same blonde hair when they were
young, and now Chris and Nathan, both grown (and Nathan recently married!
Yay!), have dark brown hair. I don't know when their hair changed color,
though. Anyway, it's entirely possible that the OFF kids will have blue
or brown hair when they get older - not that they ever will. :)
Of course, we won't take the "Simpsons in the Future" episodes into
consideration here. :)
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>>-> >Junsok Yang (yan...@yalevm.cis.yale.edu) wrote:
>>-> > Now, if I remember my high school biology correctly, there's no way that
>>-> >Bart, Lisa and Maggie can have *yellow* hair.
>>-> I remember my High School Biology, and even some of genetics, but I guess
>>-> I must have been gone the day they covered blue hair.
>>-> Repoman
>>Oh yeah?? Well, I am in High School Biology right now and don't
>>remember anything.
>>--
>Marge Dyes her hair blue. She probably has yellow hair, so the kids
>are allowed by the laws of genetics to have yellow hair. I've also
>known of people who's hair turns color as they age, but homer is no
>the case, acording to flashbacks. Anyways, its a cartoon show
Both my parents have black hair. My sister and I have blond hair (though, on
occasion, my hair has been known to become black, blue, and even
antifreeze-neon-green.) Right now I have no hair.
What were we talking about?
Thom
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The kids have yellow hair because (are you sitting down?) it's a
*cartoon*.
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Dedi Shy
Shangrong wrote:
> Marge Dyes her hair blue. She probably has yellow hair, so the kids
> are allowed by the laws of genetics to have yellow hair. I've also
> known of people who's hair turns color as they age, but homer is no
> the case, acording to flashbacks. Anyways, its a cartoon show
Let's get things straight:
A. Marge dyes her hair since it has gone gray, but before that happened, she was a
natrual blue.
B. The law of genetics do very well allow two un-blondes to concieve blondes children.
If we suppose that Homer has one brown gene and one blond gene, he will have brown hair
since the brown gene is more dominante. And Marge have one blue gene and one blond gene
her hair would be blue since the blue gene is more dominante (So I've been told...) And
if each of thier kids inherit each of them blonds gene, they'll have two blond genes
and be blond.
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specter
look, it is a cartoon. Would bart be funny with short spiky blue hair, i
think not! screw the genetics lesson. If you want to discuss genetics,
form a different newsgroup, and then you can talk all you want about the
color of the simpson children's hair. While you are at it, think deeply
about the number of fingers they all have.
docq...@nexusprime.org
"specter" <spe...@winternet.com> wrote:
Errrr, Three, right? But three fingers on cartoon characters has
been more or less the standard since the artists discovered that three
fingers are easier to draw and actually look more realistic than four.
Actually, there was one episode that made a joke about the
evolutionary theory that the people in the Simpson's universe would
evolve hands with four fingers (and one thumb).
Incidently, I think Bart would be funny with hair as you describe, or
if he wore a ninja mask, a headband, a cap, etc, all of which he has.
Doc