Who is Sam Etic?
Tom Kuchar
This name was obviously to hide the actors real identity, since
my roommate picked up that Sam Etic is a corruption of semitic.
My roomate guessed it was Dustin Hoffman. Anyone know for certain.
Tom Kuchar
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Department of Astronomy
Boston Univerity
Doug Krause
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#My roomate guessed it was Dustin Hoffman. Anyone know for certain.
Sounded a hell of a lot like Dustin to me. Especially when he did
the asides during the "Singing Dork" scene.
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>In article <80...@bu.edu.bu.edu> kuc...@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
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>#My roomate guessed it was Dustin Hoffman. Anyone know for certain.
>
>Sounded a hell of a lot like Dustin to me. Especially when he did
>the asides during the "Singing Dork" scene.
>
'The Graduate'... 'Mrs. Krabappel, you're trying to seduce me....'
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marc.colten
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> This name was obviously to hide the actors real identity, since
> my roommate picked up that Sam Etic is a corruption of semitic.
> My roomate guessed it was Dustin Hoffman. Anyone know for certain.
It had to be him! I "got" the voice about 30 seconds before the
"graduate" reference and was stunned when the name didn't appear at
the end. Could it have been an imitation? Is he too good, or shy,
or whatever to be credited with a cartoon voice? How come the TV
listings didn't mention him, or even that there was a "cameo" voice
in the show?
marc colten
JAG...@psuvm.psu.edu
substitute teacher. The article said "Lisa falls in love with her substitute
teacher, voice by Harry Shearer, who once again displays his aural versatility"
This was writtten in the local paper out in here in State College, Pa. hope
this helps. Of course, it still could of been a way to disguise the fact that
Dustin Hoffman was on the show. But my guess is that the paper is correct.
Jeff at Penn State
Ethan J. Rasiel
"Your're trying to seduce me Mrs. Krubaple"
Along with a shot through her leg identical to the one from the cover of
The Graduate. Also, the sub's voice sounded remarkably liking Dustin
Hoffman when he said this line. It could be because they were trying to
strengthen the referrence, or it could've actually been Hoffman.
The scene at the end with Lisa chasing the train was from a movie. I
don't remember the name, though. Any guesses?
Ethan
Audrey Rosen
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Organization: Northwestern University
During last night's episode ("Lisa's Substitute"), my friend and fellow
Simpson-holic thought he recognized Dustin Hoffman's voice, especially
after the "Graduate" scene! We were both disappointed when the credits
read "Sam Etic"...Anyway, I am now convinced that it WAS Dustin after
seeing the messages from those of you who felt the same. (I'm calling
my friend after I post this--it'll make his day!)
Audrey Rosen
a_r...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
Special Agent Dale Cooper
>I read in my local newspaper that Harry Shearer was the voice of Lisa's
>Jeff at Penn State
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(shows what he knows)
That was Dustin Hoffman! It must have been.
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David Greene
> marc....@cbnewsb.cb.a (645)
> How come the TV
> listings didn't mention him, or even that there was a "cameo" voice
> in the show?
Well, our local FOX affiliate promoted the show with the teaser, "guess,
what oscar winner is appearing on the simpsons this week..." followed by
the "Mrs. Krabapple, you're trying to seduce me" scene (ala The Graduate)
The scene with Lisa running alongside the train window is also similar
to the scene in The Graduate, where Dustin is chasing Mrs. Robinsons
daughter while she's sitting on the bus.
Anyone notice any other scenes from Dustin's movies?
Homer can be annoying -- as in the museum admission... especially since
there are too many people who really think like that.
Good show, though.
-Spfff
Stephen Portigal
So was the woman who moved into Mr. Bergstrom's apartment played
by Mary Tyler Moore? It sounded like her....
Steve Portigal
Jym Dyer
> movie. I don't remember the name, though. Any guesses?
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Jacob S Weinstein
There's been a fair amount of talk about whether or not "Sam
Etic" was Dustin Hoffman. Well, at the beginning of this season, the
Washington Post ran a lengthy article on the Simpsons that included
something like the following:
"Larry King will be playing the voice of God, and another famous
actor will do a guest voice as a substitute teacher on whom Lisa gets a
crush. We had to promise not to reveal this actor's name. Let's just say
he'd be comfortable playing a marathon man, or a rain man, or even one of
all the president's men..."
(I'm paraphrasing VERY loosely; the article was a while ago.)
That's pretty obviously Dustin Hoffman. I assume, therefore,
that either they signed him on, but, for one reason or another, he wanted
to remain anonymous, or that they storyboarded the episode, including the
obvious reference to _The Graduate_, and then for some reason Hoffman had to drop out. My money is on the former.
This sort of thing isn't unheard of; Robin Williams had a brief
bit in _The Adventures of Baron Munchausen_, but he was listed in the
credits as "Ray d. Tutti." I seem to remember this was because he was
under an exclusive contract with another studio, so he couldn't
officially appear in the film. Maybe that's the case with Dustin.
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Correct if wrong...but Dustin used a pseudonym for his Dick Tracy role, right?
--Ken
Thomas Matthew Geller
>In article <2817F58...@orion.oac.uci.edu> dkr...@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause) writes:
>>In article <80...@bu.edu.bu.edu> kuc...@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
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>>#My roomate guessed it was Dustin Hoffman. Anyone know for certain.
>>
>>Sounded a hell of a lot like Dustin to me. Especially when he did
>>the asides during the "Singing Dork" scene.
>>
>Yeah, it was Dustin Hoffman. There was a glaring reference to his movie
>'The Graduate'... 'Mrs. Krabappel, you're trying to seduce me....'
My vote is for Dustin Hoffman, too -- here's my theory:
Matt Groenig is a BTF (BigTimeFan) of "The graduate" -- hence
the MANY recurring references to it. He (or someone on the production
team) was in touch with Mr. Hoffman, and suggested that the two of them
get together.
And history was made.
[baseless speculation mode OFF] :-)
P.S. I don't read this newsgroup anymore, but I just HAD to find out
what other people thought about this one...
Tom
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Jonathan D. Lyness
>Okay, three media references in this latest Simpsons.
>[discussion of the three]
Yes, those are all valid - and, as discussed before, the parting scene
with Lisa and Bergstrom in the train station was reminiscent of many old
movies. By the way, as another possible media reference : Bergstrom's
final speeches to Lisa reminded me an awful lot of the old TV show "The
Fugitive," about an unjustly accused man who was always on the run from
the law - remember all of Bergstrom's talk about how "the life of a
substitute teacher is a lonely one," "always on the run," etc. What do
other people think?
-jon
Cindy Kandolf
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>>In article <80...@bu.edu.bu.edu> kuc...@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>>#
>>#My roomate guessed it was Dustin Hoffman. Anyone know for certain.
>>
>>Sounded a hell of a lot like Dustin to me. Especially when he did
>>the asides during the "Singing Dork" scene.
>>
>Yeah, it was Dustin Hoffman. There was a glaring reference to his movie
>'The Graduate'... 'Mrs. Krabappel, you're trying to seduce me....'
Sheesh, at least one other person finally recognized this, but no one has
mentioned it yet, so natch I will!!!!
I didn't catch that line 'Mrs. Krabappel, you're trying to seduce me....',
when I initially watched the episode, but what got me rolling on the floor with
laughter was the way they animated that scene, which I did catch. Let me elabo-
rate...
Ms. Krabapple and Mr. Bergstrom are in a classroom, discussing Ms. Kra-
bapple's "Marital status". Ms. Krabapple is smoking a cigarette, and there are
a couple of seconds of screen time where we see Mr. Bergstrom framed in a tri-
angle by Ms. Krabapple's legs. This is EXACTLY like the famous seduction scene
in "The Graduate"; in fact, the shot of Ben(Dustin Hoffman's character) framed
by Mrs. Robinson's legs(Anne Bancroft's character) was used as a publicity
still shot for the movie. How do I know??? Well, my Criterion Laser Disc copy
of "The Graduate" says so (and they use that same shot as the cover picture for
the disc....)
BUT (you knew there'd be a but, didn't you??? (-:), no one has mentioned
yet another reference to "The Graduate" in this episode. When Mr. Bergstrom is
leaving for another substitute position in Capitol City, and Lisa says she'll
run after the train when he leaves, and does, this is also like a scene in "The
Graduate" when Ben runs after a bus when Elaine(Katherine Ross's character) is
in Berkeley. Except Ben gets on the bus, and Lisa didn't get on the train....
SO, given all that information, my bet is on Dustin Hoffman providing the
voice for Mr. Bergstrom under the alias "Sam Etic". The voice sounded much TOO
much like him, and all of the secondary information also points to him.
BTW, is "The Graduate" one of Matt Groening's favorite movies, or maybe
the writers??? By my count, that's FIVE separate references to the movie spread
over the course of two different episodes, making it the most referenced movie
in the series....... I didn't really start watching closely in the first season
to notice if there were any there, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was....
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> During last night's episode ("Lisa's Substitute"), my friend and fellow
> Simpson-holic thought he recognized Dustin Hoffman's voice, especially
> after the "Graduate" scene! We were both disappointed when the credits
> read "Sam Etic"...Anyway, I am now convinced that it WAS Dustin after
> seeing the messages from those of you who felt the same. (I'm calling
> my friend after I post this--it'll make his day!)
>
> Audrey Rosen
According to our local FOX affiliate, WXMI, it was Dustin. I couldn't take
the uncertainty any longer, so I called and asked.
BTW, did anyone notice the "Krusty" poster in Bart's classroom? It had a
picture of Krusty holding a book at nose level, with the caption...
Give a Hoot!
Read a Book!
Len Johnson
Curt Freeland
Sam Etic was indeed Dustin Hoffman. Seems his contract with the show
stated that they could not use his name, and that they should use the
alias "Sam Etic" in the credits.
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Michael D. Orlando
MRS. ROBINSON:
If you saw Fox's _The Simpsons_ Thursday, you may have noticed a new
voice in the credits - Sam Enid.* Enid's voice sure sounded familiar,
almost like Dustin Hoffman. And gee, there sure were a lot of
references in _The Simpsons_ to Hoffman's first hit, _The Graduate_,
thrown into a story about Lisa falling into love with her substitute
teacher. Shazam! It turns out Enid is none other than Hoffman, whose
contract with _The Simpsons_ stated that his real name could not be used
on the credits or in publicity.
*- This is not my typo. That's how it is in the paper.
Congratulations to everyone who caught it.
- Mike
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character--was seen from the caboose chasing the train. But don't take me too
seriously, I was just wasting bandwidth. (I've seen my friend's tape now and I
like the episode *very* much!)