(long) THE SIMPSONS Emmy Nominations.
Ondre Lombard
OUTSTANDING ANIMATED PROGRAM
For:
Viva Ned Flanders (AABF06)
OUTSTANDING MUSIC COMPOSITION FOR A SERIES (DRAMATIC UNDERSCORE)
For:
Treehouse of Horror IX (AABF01)
The other Outstanding Animated Program nominees were:
Futurama -- A Big Piece of Garbage
King of the Hill -- And They Called It Bobby Love
The PJs - He's Gotta Have It
The Powerpuff Girls -- Bubble-Vicious Bare Facts
On a side note... I think the Emmy Awards will be a bit of a contest
this year. My thoughts:
Before I go into my thoughts on the other nominations, I'll go with
the most on-topic ones. The PJs and King of the Hill's nominations *almost*
surprised me. But then I realized, the chances of Home Movies getting
nominated were next to nil, and Family Guy is far too inside-joke'ish,
off-the-wall, and basically, offensively pointless/disjointed, even if I find
it funny. I'm sure Powerpuff Girls earned its nomination. While The Simpsons
is finally getting nominated for a halfway worthy episode (more worthy than
Trash of the Titans was.) But I'm not exactly interested in seeing this win.
My favorites are Futurama, The PJs and King of the Hill, as these were all
very nice episodes. (Though to be honest, I figured that the Robot Hell
episode would get the nod, considering how flashy it was.) Lastly, shut-out
Dilbert gets a nod for its title sequence, which is about the best thing about
this show.
On to the mainstream primetime nominations:
I think Everybody Loves Raymond deserves nothing, and that they're
getting as many nominations as they are because they don't want another outcry
from CBS -- which is currently getting the least nominations behind Fox. I
also feel Friends is incredibly overrated this year, but I'm not surprised
that it made a place for Best Comedy Series.
Myself?
Being the fan I am of Frasier, I'm glad to see it get a nod this year,
but frankly, I don't think it deserves to win Best Comedy. This should be the
year its Emmy-winning streak ends. (Even last year was a stretch for it to
win, but this year was totally unworthy.) Of the nominees for Best Comedy,
I'm rooting for Ally McBeal. Of the nominees for best actress in a comedy
series, I'm *only* rooting for Calista Flockhart. Of the nominees for best
actor in a comedy series, I'm *only* rooting for Kelsey Grammer. Of the
nominees for best supporting actress in a comedy series, I wouldn't mind
seeing either Lisa Kudrow or Lucy Liu win (especially Lucy Liu. She's the
best actress second to Calista Flockhart on Ally McBeal). Best Supporting
Actor in a Comedy Series is hard. For once, John Mahoney is finally getting a
nod in this category -- as is Peter MacNicol and David Hyde Pierce -- all
three very good actors. IMO, Peter MacNicol deserves to win.
On the drama side... My favorite to win best drama is The Practice.
I have no idea what The Sopranos is, so its popularity with the Emmy committe
is beyond my knowledge. Also, it could be a close call between Jimmy Smits
and Dennis Franz for outstanding lead actor in a drama series. I recently saw
Jimmy Smits' farewell episode, and it was rather well done. It could go
either way. Though, I do like the other nominee for this category: Dylan
McDermott. My favorites for oustanding supporting actor/actress in a drama
are all the actors from The Practice receiving their nomination. They're
excellent.
I almost can't believe John Ritter is receiving a nomination for
Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series for Ally McBeal, since he was
bad casting to begin with. If anyone's seen the nominations for this
category, they'll know that I'm ectsatic to see Woody Harrelson getting one
more nod for playing Woody Boyd on Frasier (his character on "Cheers") and I
sincerely hope he wins. Another Frasier nomination I wouldn't mind seeing won
is Christine Baranski as Dr. Nora -- this character, and its associated
episode was some of the best work of the entire year.
Ondre J. Lombard * olom...@lombard.dialup.cyberverse.com *
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good about themselves."
TnAdct
personally enjoy South Park, and I felt that it should at least be nominated
for best animated program (hour or less). On the bright side, we don't have to
deal with the Emmy committee being idiots and giving the award to the Family
Guy.
BTW: What are the plotlines for the PJ's and King of the Hill episodes that
were nominated? I obviously know the plots to the Simpsons and Futurama
episodes, as well as the plotline to the first short in the nominated Powerpuff
Girls episode.
Joe Klemm
Ondre Lombard
> deal with the Emmy committee being idiots and giving the award to the Family
> Guy.
=p
> BTW: What are the plotlines for the PJ's and King of the Hill episodes that
The PJs was the one where Thurgood received some blood pressure
medicine that also invigorated his sex drive, and soon he became reliant on
it, and low on it. King of the Hill was the one where Bobby became hooked on
unusual deli food and as a result contracted gout and nonetheless kept eating
it, preventing him from taking Kahn, Jr. to the school dance.
Dancer
>What about the fact that they shut out South Park at this year's Emmys? I
>personally enjoy South Park, and I felt that it should at least be nominated
>for best animated program (hour or less). On the bright side, we don't have to
>deal with the Emmy committee being idiots and giving the award to the Family
>Guy.
While South Park is funny, it certainly doesn't deserve any Emmy
nomination. Why do you think it should be nominated? The
animation is poor (although it adds to the humor, its still poorly
done animation), and the writing is medicore and could easily
be written by a 10 year old (again, that adds to the humor,
but its still nothing worthy of an award).
Family Guy is funny, but like South Park relies on gimmicks
and like South Park will eventually see its popularity fade.
Brad
Dale G. Abersold
> OUTSTANDING ANIMATED PROGRAM
>
> For:
> Viva Ned Flanders (AABF06)
>
>
> Futurama -- A Big Piece of Garbage
> King of the Hill -- And They Called It Bobby Love
> The PJs - He's Gotta Have It
> The Powerpuff Girls -- Bubble-Vicious Bare Facts
Well, considering the episodes nominated for this award, my personal
pick would be The Powerpuff Girls. (If the Simpsons episode chosen were
"Simpsons Bible Stories," it would be a harder choice). Still, I'd be
willing to bet that "The Simpsons" will win yet again.
Of course, remember that the Emmys *are* a joke, as are almost all
televised awards shows. (The two main exceptions: The Oscars and the
Kennedy Center Honors). Who can take an award seriously with a category
like "Outstanding Sound Mixing For A Variety Or Music Series Or A
Special"?
Dale G. Abersold
dal...@hotmail.com
And who can take this year's Emmys seriously when they ignore the
brilliant performances of Joshua Malina (on "Sports Night", Ryan Stiles,
and Colin Mochrie (on "Whose Line is it Anyway?")
David Brunt
>
>I have no idea what The Sopranos is, so its popularity with the
>Emmy committe is beyond my knowledge.
It's a big-budget HBO show which covers the same sort of ground as the
'Godfather' films.
From word I've picked up down the line, the writing industry appreciate the
multi-layered storylining and the fact that it doesn't back down from any
sensitive issues the major networks would have baulked at. For that alone,
it's probably a hot favourite to win.
It is actually quite good. But then, I've only seen one episode (it only
started in the UK this week).
David
Mark J. Finegold
establishment, there is an informal understanding that the show will
never be nominated for anything under any circumstances. I
personally do not think South Park can hold a candle to the Simpsons
in any case, so maybe it's "harmless error" as we say.
On the other hand, given that the Emmy process is a total joke,
South Park is certainly more worthy of a nomination than many of
the other content-free programs out there. My response to the
nominating committee would be: "O.K., now why don't we get an
answer from someone who isn't a complete retard?"
On 22 Jul 1999 13:45:17 GMT, tna...@aol.com (TnAdct) wrote:
>What about the fact that they shut out South Park at this year's Emmys? I
>personally enjoy South Park, and I felt that it should at least be nominated
>for best animated program (hour or less). On the bright side, we don't have to
>deal with the Emmy committee being idiots and giving the award to the Family
>Guy.
>
>BTW: What are the plotlines for the PJ's and King of the Hill episodes that
Ondre Lombard
> Because of the South Park creators' attitude towards the Hollywood
> establishment, there is an informal understanding that the show will
> never be nominated for anything under any circumstances. I
> personally do not think South Park can hold a candle to the Simpsons
> in any case, so maybe it's "harmless error" as we say.
Actually, South Park was nominated last year for Big Gay Al's Big Gay
Boat Ride. But SP has had a soft year this year, and in addition, so much
animation is bursting through that it's actually becoming a contest. (Short
while back, it was all a contest between Simpsons, King of the Hill and
whatever few things were on cable.)
> On the other hand, given that the Emmy process is a total joke,
> South Park is certainly more worthy of a nomination than many of
> the other content-free programs out there. My response to the
> nominating committee would be: "O.K., now why don't we get an
> answer from someone who isn't a complete retard?"
Somehow I find it hard to believe that retards are the people giving
the only intelligent live action sitcom on today (Frasier) five Best Comedy
Series awards in a row. Now, maybe if The Wayans Bros. (or, really,
anything on the WB) had a place in the nominees list...
SurgeDies
>personally enjoy South Park,
That's all well and good, but let's be realistic now... Yes, it's funny (to
some-- I'm not saying how I feel). It can even be pretty creative at times. But
it's not to be taken seriously. It's half an hour of fart jokes, basically.
This is not to say that it's not *good* entertainment, it's just not *quality*
entertainment. (IN MY OPINION.)
Jenn~*
Patrick M
average episode, ABPOG wasn't the best Futurama ep (But it was a good
Armageddon parody), I hate the Powerpuff Girls, and that was the 2nd worst ep
of the PJ's (That Haiti Lady one takes the cake, though).
Now, although it makes no difference, here would be MY picks.
Simpsons- "Simpson Bible Stories"
KotH- "Film Texas" (The one with the movie for the Cowboys)
PJs- Whatever the one where Thurgood moved into the penthouse apartment was
called
Futurama- "Hell is Other Robots"
I'd also nominate Dr. Katz for something, but I can't decide what episode.
Patrick McGovern
"No matter how wrong I can be, I'll still insist I'm right"
"I have one more question for you: Have you even seen the sun set at THREE
p.m.?"
"Arrr....once, when I was sailin' the arctic seas..."
Dancer
<olom...@lombard.dialup.cyberverse.com> wrote:
> Somehow I find it hard to believe that retards are the people giving
>the only intelligent live action sitcom on today (Frasier) five Best Comedy
>Series awards in a row. Now, maybe if The Wayans Bros. (or, really,
>anything on the WB) had a place in the nominees list...
Frasier used to be intelligent, but its quickly being just like the
rest. That 70s Show is one of the best sitcoms out there right now.
Brad
Don Del Grande
>Well, considering the episodes nominated for this award, my personal
>pick would be The Powerpuff Girls. (If the Simpsons episode chosen were
>"Simpsons Bible Stories," it would be a harder choice). Still, I'd be
>willing to bet that "The Simpsons" will win yet again.
Keep in mind that the Emmy itself is decided by a "blue-ribbon panel" of
members of the Animation branch of the Academy ("blue-ribbon" probably
means "we were free the weekend of August 14-15"), so who knows exactly
what they base it on.
>Of course, remember that the Emmys *are* a joke, as are almost all
>televised awards shows. (The two main exceptions: The Oscars and the
>Kennedy Center Honors). Who can take an award seriously with a category
>like "Outstanding Sound Mixing For A Variety Or Music Series Or A
>Special"?
Uh, you don't think that letting every member of AMPAS vote on Oscars for
categories they have no real clue about (for example, musicians voting for
Best Sound Effects Editing) is just as big a joke? At least with the
Emmys, nobody who isn't a Sound Mixer (the rules imply that there's a Sound
Mixers branch of ATAS) has anything to do with deciding who is nominated or
who eventually wins.
>And who can take this year's Emmys seriously when they ignore the
>brilliant performances of Joshua Malina (on "Sports Night", Ryan Stiles,
>and Colin Mochrie (on "Whose Line is it Anyway?")
I think "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" is considered a "variety show" - which
of the five "Performance in a Variety or Music Program" nominees (George
Carlin; John Leguizamo; Dennis Miller; Chris Rock; Tracey Ullman) would you
have replaced?
-------------------------------------------------
Don Del Grande, del_g...@netvista.net
Well, that's one vote for not including Outstanding Sound Mixing For A
Variety Or Music Series Or Special in next year's televised part of the
Emmys
TnAdct
>>brilliant performances of Joshua Malina (on "Sports Night", Ryan Stiles,
>>and Colin Mochrie (on "Whose Line is it Anyway?")
>I think "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" is considered a "variety show" - which
>of the five "Performance in a Variety or Music Program" nominees (George
>Carlin; John Leguizamo; Dennis Miller; Chris Rock; Tracey Ullman) would you
>have replaced?
I also enjoyed Whose Line Is It Anyway. Colin and Ryan are indeed the stars of
the show and they should have received a nomination for Best Performance In a
Variety or Music Program (with Ryan possibly getting getting another nomination
for his supporting role on the Drew Carey Show, along with Drew himself in the
lead actor catergory). Let's face it, along with the Simpsons and Futurama,
Whose Line is the only good show on regular network prime-time that I watch
regularly, though cable has a few good shows with South Park and MST3K.
Joe Klemm
grosse
syndication-land. What I simply can't figure out is why all of the sitcoms
on TV are so damn AWFUL. Aren't these things being written by professional
writers? Why do all we get out of them are crude sex jokes and wisecracking
single guys?
TnAdct <tna...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dale G. Abersold
> >And who can take this year's Emmys seriously when they ignore the
> >brilliant performances of Joshua Malina (on "Sports Night", Ryan Stiles,
> >and Colin Mochrie (on "Whose Line is it Anyway?")
>
> I think "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" is considered a "variety show" - which
> of the five "Performance in a Variety or Music Program" nominees (George
> Carlin; John Leguizamo; Dennis Miller; Chris Rock; Tracey Ullman) would you
> have replaced?
Well, IMHO, Dennis Miller and (heresy!) Tracey Ullman are
*spectacularly* overrated. (On the old Tracey Ullman Show, I always
thought Sam McMurray, Julie Kavner, and Dan Castelleneta were far more
convincing in *their* multiple characterizations than was Tracey
herself).
Dale G. Abersold
dal...@hotmail.com
Mark Aaron Richey
> This year, The Simpsons receives only two Emmy nominations. They are:
>OUTSTANDING ANIMATED PROGRAM
>For:
>Viva Ned Flanders (AABF06)
It's not too surprising that they decided to go with this one, since
MG expressed his fondness for it early on. It's a solid episode.
>OUTSTANDING MUSIC COMPOSITION FOR A SERIES (DRAMATIC UNDERSCORE)
>For:
>Treehouse of Horror IX (AABF01)
No original song nomination this year, which isn't too surprising,
since I can't think of any memorable songs. The only song I can think
of is the one at the end of "Wild Barts", and that used music from
"Bye Bye Birdie".
> On a side note... I think the Emmy Awards will be a bit of a contest
>this year. My thoughts:
> Before I go into my thoughts on the other nominations, I'll go with
>the most on-topic ones. The PJs and King of the Hill's nominations *almost*
>surprised me. But then I realized, the chances of Home Movies getting
>nominated were next to nil, and Family Guy is far too inside-joke'ish,
>off-the-wall, and basically, offensively pointless/disjointed, even if I find
>it funny. I'm sure Powerpuff Girls earned its nomination.
KOTH didn't surprise me in the least, since, despite the ratings drop,
it's still popular with critics (as well it should be). Shows tend
not to drop off the nomination rolls until it either falls completly
off the cultural radar, ends it's run, or has to be displaced by a
new, flashier show. "PJ's" did surprise me, since with the loads of
other animated shows out there, I'd figure they wouldn't give four
nominations to Fox.
>Lastly, shut-out
>Dilbert gets a nod for its title sequence, which is about the best thing about
>this show.
If "Dilbert" was on Fox instead of UPN, I expect it would have taken
the "PJ's" nomination
> On to the mainstream primetime nominations:
> I think Everybody Loves Raymond deserves nothing, and that they're
>getting as many nominations as they are because they don't want another outcry
>from CBS -- which is currently getting the least nominations behind Fox.
Your personal distaste aside, "Raymond" is a critics darling
(espically from "Entertainment Weekly") and is doing pretty well in
the ratings. I think it's a decent show, but I don't go out of my way
to see it.
I
>also feel Friends is incredibly overrated this year, but I'm not surprised
>that it made a place for Best Comedy Series.
"Friends" is the freshest, funniest show on TV right now (and that
includes OFF and every other animated show out there). It would have
been far more shocking had the show been left off.
> Myself?
> Being the fan I am of Frasier, I'm glad to see it get a nod this year,
>but frankly, I don't think it deserves to win Best Comedy. This should be the
>year its Emmy-winning streak ends. (Even last year was a stretch for it to
>win, but this year was totally unworthy.) Of the nominees for Best Comedy,
>I'm rooting for Ally McBeal
"Frasier"'s streak is probably coming to an end. The second half of
the season picked up, but the first half was, for the most part, dull.
I'll be cheering for "Friends", and expect it to win.
. Of the nominees for best actress in a comedy
>series, I'm *only* rooting for Calista Flockhart.
Despite all the talk about TV being a women's medium, this category is
awfully weak. Only Flockhart truly carries a network series. Jenna
Elfman and Helen Hunt both have male co-stars who get equal time with
them, Paticia Heaton doesn't even get equal time, and Sarah Jessica
Parker stars on a weak, unfunny HBO series and probably got nominated
based on her name alone (how the show itself got nominated over "Just
Shoot Me" or "Sports Night" is an even bigger mystery). I'm not a big
"Ally" fan, but I'll probably root for Calista as well.
Of the nominees for best
>actor in a comedy series, I'm *only* rooting for Kelsey Grammer.
He'll probably win too, unless the final season of "Mad About You"
prompts voters give it to Paul Reiser. Reiser is also the only
nominee who has an equal co-star. The other four are the undisputed
leads. I'm cheering for Kelsey as well.
Of the
>nominees for best supporting actress in a comedy series, I wouldn't mind
>seeing either Lisa Kudrow or Lucy Liu win (especially Lucy Liu. She's the
>best actress second to Calista Flockhart on Ally McBeal).
All five actresses do good work, but where's Courtney Cox? She
beautifully played Monica's love affair with Chandler and deserves a
nod. I'm going with Lisa.
Best Supporting
>Actor in a Comedy Series is hard. For once, John Mahoney is finally getting a
>nod in this category -- as is Peter MacNicol and David Hyde Pierce -- all
>three very good actors. IMO, Peter MacNicol deserves to win.
Another stong category, but where is Matthew Perry? For reasoning,
see above. I'll cheer for Mahoney, if only because his work has been
ignored in the past.
> On the drama side... My favorite to win best drama is The Practice.
>I have no idea what The Sopranos is, so its popularity with the Emmy committe
>is beyond my knowledge.
HBO's hit series about the life of a mobster. It's the undisputed
critical darling of the year. It's a good show, though I don't think
it's as good as many of the reviewers think it is. Of course, I'll be
cheering for my beloved "Practice".
Also, it could be a close call between Jimmy Smits
>and Dennis Franz for outstanding lead actor in a drama series. I recently saw
>Jimmy Smits' farewell episode, and it was rather well done. It could go
>either way. Though, I do like the other nominee for this category: Dylan
>McDermott.
I'm cheering for McDermott, though I don't think he has a snowball's
chance of winning. I expect Franz and Smits will cancel themselves
out, leaving James Gandolfini of "The Sopranos" to win. It would not
be underserved, either.
My favorites for oustanding supporting actor/actress in a drama
>are all the actors from The Practice receiving their nomination. They're
>excellent.
Woo-hoo!!! I'll be cheering for Camryn Manheim and Steve Harris,
though I think Manheim will lose to Nancy Marchand's monster of a
mother on "The Sopranos" (again, not underserved). I'm also always
happy to see "Law & Order"'s Steven Hill in the running.
> I almost can't believe John Ritter is receiving a nomination for
>Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series for Ally McBeal, since he was
>bad casting to begin with. If anyone's seen the nominations for this
>category, they'll know that I'm ectsatic to see Woody Harrelson getting one
>more nod for playing Woody Boyd on Frasier (his character on "Cheers") and I
>sincerely hope he wins. Another Frasier nomination I wouldn't mind seeing won
>is Christine Baranski as Dr. Nora -- this character, and its associated
>episode was some of the best work of the entire year.
I didn't see John Ritter's epiosde of "Ally", so I can't comment. As
for Woody, I was rather disappointed in the episode, though Woody as
Woody was fun as always. Christine Baranski was hysterical, even if
the episode disappoints (see a theme here?). More interesting is that
the guest categories produced first time nominees for longtime TV vets
William Shatner (for "3rd Rock") and Tony Danza (for "The Practice").
Guess who I'll be cheering for?
Mark Richey, nominated for "Best Performance by a Church Youth Camp
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Benjamin Robinson
Lombard wrote:
> This year, The Simpsons receives only two Emmy nominations.
Which is about what they usually receive, isn't it?
>For:
>
>Viva Ned Flanders (AABF06)
Wow, this is the first time since 1995/6 (for "Lisa's Wedding (2F15)") that they
picked one of that year's stronger episodes.
My two favorite shows for the tenth season were "Lisa Gets an 'A' (AABF03)" and
"Mayored to the Mob (AABF05)." My guess is that "Lisa" is too low-key to get
the Emmy nod. (Besides, what the hell is Ian Maxtone-Graham going to do with
*two* Emmies? Rub them together for good luck?) I suspect most of the people
on the committee aren't regular watchers of the show, and would be more
impressed by "flashy" episodes with major guest stars, big themes, or something
else that grabs your attention. That's why "Homer's Phobia (4F11)" and "Trash
of the Titans (5F09)," while they weren't the best of their respective seasons,
were good episodes for the producers to submit.
"Mayored to the Mob (AABF05)" which had a hilariously self-mocking appearance by
Mark Hamill, a riot scene, and a musical number, is better-equipped to catch the
voters' fancy. "Viva Ned Flanders" (my #4 pick for last season) is also a good
choice, though; it has a relatively action-packed plot, a cool locale, and is
consistently funny. Plus, nobody in the Academy is going to get hung up on Ned
being 60 all of a sudden.
> The other Outstanding Animated Program nominees were:
>
>Futurama -- A Big Piece of Garbage
There weren't any bad episodes of "Futurama" this year, but this isn't the one
I'd have chosen. My pick would have been "I, Robot" (the one where they go to
the all-robot planet). The season finale ("Hell is Other Robots," if I remember
correctly) might also have been a good choice.
>The Powerpuff Girls -- Bubble-Vicious Bare Facts
Woo-hoo! "The Powerpuff Girls" get their due. "Bubble-Vicious" was okay, but
"Bare Facts" was terrific. (It's the one where the girls tell the story of how
they rescued their town's mayor. The way each girl tells her part of the story
really refelects her personality. Sorta like a 'toon verson of "Rashomon.")
My predicition: "The PJs" never gathered that much critical acclaim, and "The
Powerpuff Girls" are too obscure, so they're probably out of the running.
Remember what I said earlier about the voters liking flashy episodes? Well,
there *are* no flashy episodes of "King of the Hill," so it's probably a long
shot. (For what it's worth, the best KotH episode this year was probably the
one where Buckley's angel returns to Earth.) That leaves "Futurama" and "The
Simpsons." Personally, I think they submitted a better "Simpsons" than
"Futurama" this year, so my prediction is for "The Simpsons" to extend its
Outstanding Series Emmy streak to three.
> On to the mainstream primetime nominations:
This wasn't a landmark year for television. If either "Frasier" or "Friends"
wins best comedy, I'll be happy, but both series have seen better days. As for
dramas, it will be really easy for me to hope "Law & Order" wins again, for this
is practically the only drama I watch nowadays.
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AlexJ33106
>OUTSTANDING ANIMATED PROGRAM
>For:
>Viva Ned Flanders (AABF06)
That's a real shame...that Emmy belongs to "THOH9".
>OUTSTANDING MUSIC COMPOSITION FOR A SERIES (DRAMATIC >UNDERSCORE)
>For:
>Treehouse of Horror IX (AABF01)
Well, at least it gets some recognition...
> The other Outstanding Animated Program nominees were:
>Futurama -- A Big Piece of Garbage
I like.
>King of the Hill -- And They Called It Bobby Love
I hate. The fireman episode would have been a better choice, IMO.
>The PJs - He's Gotta Have It
Not sure of this one.
>The Powerpuff Girls -- Bubble-Vicious Bare Facts
Haven't seen it.
> On a side note... I think the Emmy Awards will be a bit of a contest
>this year. My thoughts:
And, my reaction to your thoughts:
> Before I go into my thoughts on the other nominations, I'll go with
>the most on-topic ones. The PJs and King of the Hill's nominations *almost*
>surprised me. But then I realized, the chances of Home Movies getting
>nominated were next to nil, and Family Guy is far too inside-joke'ish,
>off-the-wall, and basically, offensively pointless/disjointed, even if I find
>it funny. I'm sure Powerpuff Girls earned its nomination. While The Simpsons
>is finally getting nominated for a halfway worthy episode (more worthy than
>Trash of the Titans was.) But I'm not exactly interested in seeing this win.
>My favorites are Futurama, The PJs and King of the Hill, as these were all
>very nice episodes.
I'm rooting for Futurama. Sorry, but that KotH episode was way too sentimental.
Don't get me wrong; I love emotion in tv programs. But it was done wrong here.
I didn't feel bad for Bobby. A better example of feelings expressed in tv would
be "Bart The Mother"- really well done.
>(Though to be honest, I figured that the Robot Hell
>episode would get the nod, considering how flashy it was.) Lastly, shut-out
>Dilbert gets a nod for its title sequence, which is about the best thing about
>this show.
Can't comment; I don't have a UPN affiliate station in my area. Lucky me, I
guess.
> On to the mainstream primetime nominations:
> I think Everybody Loves Raymond deserves nothing, and that they're
>getting as many nominations as they are because they don't want another outcry
>from CBS
Or, perhaps, it's because it's a well-written, hilarious, family program. I
laughed at this show more than anything else I watched on television this
season. It's sixteen nominations were more than I could hope for, and I hope
they garner at least ten of them.
>-- which is currently getting the least nominations behind Fox. I
>also feel Friends is incredibly overrated this year, but I'm not surprised
>that it made a place for Best Comedy Series.
> Myself?
> Being the fan I am of Frasier, I'm glad to see it get a nod this year,
>but frankly, I don't think it deserves to win Best Comedy.
Although I immensaly enjoy Frasier, I don't think it deserved a nod for "Best
Comdey Series". The show was a disapointment this year, and other comedies
could have taken it's place in the Emmy's.
>This should be the
>year its Emmy-winning streak ends. (Even last year was a stretch for it to
>win, but this year was totally unworthy.)
I whole-heartedly agree with the above.
> Of the nominees for Best Comedy,
>I'm rooting for Ally McBeal. Of the nominees for best actress in a comedy
>series, I'm *only* rooting for Calista Flockhart. Of the nominees for best
>actor in a comedy series, I'm *only* rooting for Kelsey Grammer.
Not me. Kelsey is a great actor, but his work for season six didn't leave much
to be desired. I hope Ray Ramano achieves the coveted trophy.
> Of the
>nominees for best supporting actress in a comedy series, I wouldn't mind
>seeing either Lisa Kudrow or Lucy Liu win (especially Lucy Liu. She's the
>best actress second to Calista Flockhart on Ally McBeal).
Have to disagree with you again. Lisa Kudrow, IMO, is the least enjoyable
person on Friends. Mathew Perry would have been a better pick(for a different
catergory, of course :) ).
> Best Supporting
>Actor in a Comedy Series is hard. For once, John Mahoney is finally getting a
>nod in this category -- as is Peter MacNicol and David Hyde Pierce -- all
>three very good actors. IMO, Peter MacNicol deserves to win.
David Hyde Pierce is my second choice, but I think the dad from "Raymond"
should win.
> On the drama side... My favorite to win best drama is The Practice.
Mine would be "Law & Order"- Still great after all these years.
>I have no idea what The Sopranos is, so its popularity with the Emmy committe
>is beyond my knowledge.
It's a pretty good program, but not the classic many are saying it to be.
> Also, it could be a close call between Jimmy Smits
>and Dennis Franz for outstanding lead actor in a drama series. I recently saw
>Jimmy Smits' farewell episode, and it was rather well done. It could go
>either way. Though, I do like the other nominee for this category: Dylan
>McDermott. My favorites for oustanding supporting actor/actress in a drama
>are all the actors from The Practice receiving their nomination. They're
>excellent.
> I almost can't believe John Ritter is receiving a nomination for
>Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series for Ally McBeal, since he was
>bad casting to begin with.
Anything with John Ritter, IMO, is bad casting to begin with.
>If anyone's seen the nominations for this
>category, they'll know that I'm ectsatic to see Woody Harrelson getting one
>more nod for playing Woody Boyd on Frasier (his character on "Cheers") and I
>sincerely hope he wins.
Me too. Great acting.
> Another Frasier nomination I wouldn't mind seeing won
>is Christine Baranski as Dr. Nora -- this character, and its associated
>episode was some of the best work of the entire year.
I agree here also. Good-day.
-Alex(The #2 Simpsons/Transformers Fan)
grosse
shame the flashy animation wasn't taken advantage of much. The show itself
has its moments, but is somewhat mediocre.
Ondre Lombard
> > The other Outstanding Animated Program nominees were:
> >
> >Futurama -- A Big Piece of Garbage
>
> There weren't any bad episodes of "Futurama" this year, but this isn't the one
> I'd have chosen. My pick would have been "I, Robot" (the one where they go to
> the all-robot planet). The season finale ("Hell is Other Robots," if I remember
> correctly) might also have been a good choice.
I, Robot, was, IMO the only very weak and stupid Futurama of the year.
I don't like the whole "Robots vs. Humans" schtick being used beyond
incidental jokes. Though I would agree that Hell is Other Robots would've
actually been a good choice. (I was honestly believing this would get the
nomination because it had a splashy musical number and a lot of glitz, plus it
was quite funny.)
> My predicition: "The PJs" never gathered that much critical acclaim, and "The
> Powerpuff Girls" are too obscure, so they're probably out of the running.
> Remember what I said earlier about the voters liking flashy episodes? Well,
> there *are* no flashy episodes of "King of the Hill," so it's probably a long
> shot. (For what it's worth, the best KotH episode this year was probably the
> one where Buckley's angel returns to Earth.)
My favorites from this year: the Paddlin' Peggy one, the Bobby-gout
episode (which got the nomination), the one with Bobby falling for that older
girl played by Sarah Michelle Gellar, the one with Bobby and Luanne dueling
pranks, and the one with Buckley's angel was pretty good, too. Otherwise,
KotH has been too serious, or too hickish (e.g., the fireman episode, the
lawnmower focus group episode).
> That leaves "Futurama" and "The
> Simpsons." Personally, I think they submitted a better "Simpsons" than
> "Futurama" this year, so my prediction is for "The Simpsons" to extend its
> Outstanding Series Emmy streak to three.
I still think Futurama deserves to win. Viva Ned Flanders was fine,
but it was incredibly flawed. Besides, despite the fact that only one
episode gets the win, that's just a traditional formality. These days, with
animation having as much clout as live action sitcoms, Outstanding Animated
Series really is representative of an entire season, even if they win for only
one episode. And Simpsons has had an *awful* year.
> > On to the mainstream primetime nominations:
>
> This wasn't a landmark year for television.
Indeed. Most of the shows I regularly watch were on a decline, and
one of the only ones I thought had a perfect year (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
only got token technical nominations. Though, I think The Practice is doing a
lot for TV this year.
> If either "Frasier" or "Friends"
> wins best comedy, I'll be happy, but both series have seen better days.
*nod* Friends has been so incredibly weak though, that I've stopped
watching. I don't get what the critics think is so funny about this show now.
The only times I laughed at Friends this year was when Rachel got the hairless
cat, and when Monica and Chandler were found out by the entire gang.
Ondre Lombard
> No original song nomination this year, which isn't too surprising,
> since I can't think of any memorable songs. The only song I can think
> of is the one at the end of "Wild Barts", and that used music from
> "Bye Bye Birdie".
Thank God. Maybe this will discourage them from just gratuitously
throwing in singing numbers where there shouldn't be any.
> KOTH didn't surprise me in the least, since, despite the ratings drop,
> it's still popular with critics (as well it should be). Shows tend
> not to drop off the nomination rolls until it either falls completly
> off the cultural radar, ends it's run, or has to be displaced by a
> new, flashier show.
Some shows have a brief standing with the Emmy committe. Such as
The Nanny, which, in its much funnier days, actually did get a few high
profile Emmy nods.
> "PJ's" did surprise me, since with the loads of
> other animated shows out there, I'd figure they wouldn't give four
> nominations to Fox.
PJs has an exceptional and unmatched animation style that I guess they
felt was worth something. As the producers once said, you've never seen
anything like The PJs on TV before.
> If "Dilbert" was on Fox instead of UPN, I expect it would have taken
> the "PJ's" nomination
That would've spelled the only nomination I'd be annoyed with.
Dilbert is a stupid show about a computer geek who seems to think he's smarter
than the world (but not as much as Dogbert) and it's all about his adventures
getting miffed with the ignorance of society. That gets old after a while.
The comic is good, though.
> Your personal distaste aside, "Raymond" is a critics darling
I've noticed.
> (espically from "Entertainment Weekly") and is doing pretty well in
> the ratings. I think it's a decent show, but I don't go out of my way
> to see it.
The last time I watched it, I didn't find it very amusing. It strikes
me as one of those shows that capitalize off of humor about innocuous clashes
in marital relations, and the irritating things that happen with odd,
meddlesome in-laws. Maybe it really did get funnier this year, but it's
nothing worth my time.
> "Friends" is the freshest, funniest show on TV right now (and that
> includes OFF and every other animated show out there).
Futurama blows the pants off of Friends this year, I'm sorry. And I'd
even rather watch Family Guy than Friends the way it was this year. Friends
seemed to once again be all about who was dating whom, and this big secret of
Chandler and Monica's -- as if this sort of thing hasn't been done before
(better).
> It would have
> been far more shocking had the show been left off.
Yeah, which is why I said despite that, I'm not surprised it made the
list.
> . Of the nominees for best actress in a comedy
> >series, I'm *only* rooting for Calista Flockhart.
>
> Despite all the talk about TV being a women's medium, this category is
> awfully weak. Only Flockhart truly carries a network series.
You're right about that. As much as Ally McBeal's cast has been
expanding, and how much the attention has shifted more towards other cast
members, David E. Kelley still manages to keep Ally an important character,
and Calista still gets a lot of material that flexes her acting skills.
> Jenna
> Elfman and Helen Hunt both have male co-stars who get equal time with
> them, Paticia Heaton doesn't even get equal time, and Sarah Jessica
> Parker stars on a weak, unfunny HBO series and probably got nominated
> based on her name alone (how the show itself got nominated over "Just
> Shoot Me" or "Sports Night" is an even bigger mystery).
Sports Night I never have the time for, but based on what I hear about
it being different and not completely devoid of content (which is more than I
can say for the majority of primetime today), I do think this would've been a
good choice.
> Best Supporting
> >Actor in a Comedy Series is hard. For once, John Mahoney is finally getting a
> >nod in this category -- as is Peter MacNicol and David Hyde Pierce -- all
> >three very good actors. IMO, Peter MacNicol deserves to win.
>
> Another stong category, but where is Matthew Perry? For reasoning,
> see above.
I do say, Matthew Perry has always been a good actor. He has
excellent timing with playing a quirky, semi-normal character. It does
bewilder me that he never gets anything.
> I'll cheer for Mahoney, if only because his work has been
> ignored in the past.
It seems each year, the committee is trying to make up for Frasier
oversights. Last year, it was Jane Leeves.
> I'm cheering for McDermott, though I don't think he has a snowball's
> chance of winning. I expect Franz and Smits will cancel themselves
> out, leaving James Gandolfini of "The Sopranos" to win. It would not
> be underserved, either.
Good points.
> > I almost can't believe John Ritter is receiving a nomination for
> >Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series for Ally McBeal, since he was
> >bad casting to begin with. If anyone's seen the nominations for this
> >category, they'll know that I'm ectsatic to see Woody Harrelson getting one
> >more nod for playing Woody Boyd on Frasier (his character on "Cheers") and I
> >sincerely hope he wins. Another Frasier nomination I wouldn't mind seeing won
> >is Christine Baranski as Dr. Nora -- this character, and its associated
> >episode was some of the best work of the entire year.
>
> As
> for Woody, I was rather disappointed in the episode, though Woody as
> Woody was fun as always.
It had a great ending, too. I guess I just miss "Cheers." I think
the episode's weak point was how much of a snob it made Frasier out to be. As
if just because he's grown and done more things that he can't enjoy the
simpler things like he used to.
> Christine Baranski was hysterical, even if
> the episode disappoints (see a theme here?).
Oh, yeah. In the episode, everyone for the most part plays the
straight man to her.
> More interesting is that
> the guest categories produced first time nominees for longtime TV vets
> William Shatner (for "3rd Rock") and Tony Danza (for "The Practice").
> Guess who I'll be cheering for?
Tony was pretty good. I would say he wasn't worthy of any nomination
if the guest appearance category wasn't so often worthless.
Ondre Lombard
> >The PJs - He's Gotta Have It
>
> Not sure of this one.
It was one of the better ones, with Thurgood and the
libido-invigorating medicine.
> I didn't feel bad for Bobby. A better example of feelings expressed in tv would
> be "Bart The Mother"- really well done.
I felt bad for Kahn, Jr., and was glad to see them come together.
> Or, perhaps, it's because it's a well-written, hilarious, family program. I
> laughed at this show more than anything else I watched on television this
> season. It's sixteen nominations were more than I could hope for, and I hope
> they garner at least ten of them.
Raymond hardly got anywhere near 16 nominations. Sopranos is the one
that got that many. (And I don't think any cable show has ever gotten the
most nominations of any other program before that.)
> Although I immensaly enjoy Frasier, I don't think it deserved a nod for "Best
> Comdey Series". The show was a disapointment this year, and other comedies
> could have taken it's place in the Emmy's.
I think it's a tradition now. And honestly, even a bad episode of
Frasier is often smarter than a good episode of, say, "Will and Grace."
> > Of the
> >nominees for best supporting actress in a comedy series, I wouldn't mind
> >seeing either Lisa Kudrow or Lucy Liu win (especially Lucy Liu. She's the
> >best actress second to Calista Flockhart on Ally McBeal).
>
> Have to disagree with you again. Lisa Kudrow, IMO, is the least enjoyable
> person on Friends.
What's wrong with nasty villains winning? Rhea Perlman was a frequent
winner of Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series for playing the
vile-tongued Carla Tortelli, and she did it well. Lucy Liu does it well,
too. She's an unusual character, and a scene-stealer and is part of what
makes Ally McBeal different from the rest. Though, admittedly, Phoebe Buffay
is different enough, as well, to deserve a win.
> > I almost can't believe John Ritter is receiving a nomination for
> >Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series for Ally McBeal, since he was
> >bad casting to begin with.
>
> Anything with John Ritter, IMO, is bad casting to begin with.
Well...be that as it may, I considered him bad casting because the
episode was all about Ally and Elaine both fawning over him as if he's this
young attractive stud. Besides the fact that his acting was unconvincing,
there was nothing about the way he *looked* that made him convincing. His
appearance seemed to be all tied in to his big name.
grosse
Are you talking about "I, Roommate" or "Fear of A Robot Planet"?
>
> I, Robot, was, IMO the only very weak and stupid Futurama of the year.
> I don't like the whole "Robots vs. Humans" schtick being used beyond
> incidental jokes. Though I would agree that Hell is Other Robots would've
> actually been a good choice. (I was honestly believing this would get the
> nomination because it had a splashy musical number and a lot of glitz,
plus it
> was quite funny.)
>
seemed to mirror tensions in Soviet Russia with a blind, almost comedic
hatred of the enemy nobody knew anything about. The cheesy 1950sish
propoganda film masquerading as entertainment was also very funny.
If you want "weak," check out "A Fishful of Dollars." Funny, but it didn't
really go anywhere till the third act.
>
> I still think Futurama deserves to win. Viva Ned Flanders was fine,
> but it was incredibly flawed. Besides, despite the fact that only one
> episode gets the win, that's just a traditional formality. These days,
with
> animation having as much clout as live action sitcoms, Outstanding
Animated
> Series really is representative of an entire season, even if they win for
only
> one episode. And Simpsons has had an *awful* year.
Aah, you say that every season. But this season it seems to be true.
>
> > > On to the mainstream primetime nominations:
> >
> > This wasn't a landmark year for television.
>
> Indeed. Most of the shows I regularly watch were on a decline, and
> one of the only ones I thought had a perfect year (Buffy the Vampire
Slayer)
> only got token technical nominations. Though, I think The Practice is
doing a
> lot for TV this year.
>
> > If either "Frasier" or "Friends"
> > wins best comedy, I'll be happy, but both series have seen better days.
>
> *nod* Friends has been so incredibly weak though, that I've stopped
> watching. I don't get what the critics think is so funny about this show
now.
> The only times I laughed at Friends this year was when Rachel got the
hairless
> cat, and when Monica and Chandler were found out by the entire gang.
I *NEVER* got what was so funny about that tired sitcom. Has Newsradio been
nominated?
alex_...@my-deja.com
Park, and you know what? They just thought it was special!
The Emmys are my least favorite award show simply because there is less
recognition for what is liked by all types of people while anything
touchy or high rated or long running gets the stuff. In fact, any award
show has its unfair side to it. I'm not going to get into it.
So, I'm not going to be surprised if the Simpsons get it, I think
one of the other shows deserve it, but what can you say, it's just set
up so stupid.
Of course, dramatic score is another story.
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Ondre Lombard
> If you want "weak," check out "A Fishful of Dollars." Funny, but it didn't
> really go anywhere till the third act.
Oh, I liked that one. Not Emmy material, but it was good enough.
Where it "went" had nothing to do with Fry's longing for the 20th century
again, and I'm glad they took the time to do some characterization with Fry.
> Aah, you say that every season. But this season it seems to be true.
Each year, they outdo themselves. But I do recall being lenient on
Season Nine, which has been the strongest between 8 and 10.
> I *NEVER* got what was so funny about that tired sitcom. Has Newsradio been
> nominated?
Unfortunately, no. But really I don't want to see Newsradio get
nominated for this year, since it was horrible. And it really sickened me to
see Phil Hartman get that nomination last year because it had nothing to do
with anything but him being a comic legend who died. The show was in its peak
during its first three years.
Ondre Lombard
> Funny...I thought you were originally speaking of a different episode, the one
> where Bobby dates the character played by Sara Michell Geller. Now that I know
> which ep you're speaking of, I did enjoy it, even though, IMO, it doesn't
> deserve to come out victorious either.
There's a distinct possibility I was wrong, and it was the Sarah
Michelle Gellear episode. Either way, that was a good episode, as well, and I
think, more worthy of a nomination than many others.
> I didn't disagree with Lucy Lui; she is a good candidate. What I disagreed with
> was your saying that Lisa Kudrow shoud win, since her "Ok, shut-up. Yeah,
> whatever!" persona grew very tiresome, IMO.
I see. Still, I think she's a good actress. (But was much funnier
when, well, Friends was funnier, back in its second season.)
AlexJ33106
>
>> Not sure of this one.
> It was one of the better ones, with Thurgood and the
>libido-invigorating medicine.
Oh yeah...one of my favorites. If Futurama loses, I hope this one wins.
>> I didn't feel bad for Bobby. A better example of feelings expressed in tv
would
>> be "Bart The Mother"- really well done.
> I felt bad for Kahn, Jr., and was glad to see them come together.
Funny...I thought you were originally speaking of a different episode, the one
where Bobby dates the character played by Sara Michell Geller. Now that I know
which ep you're speaking of, I did enjoy it, even though, IMO, it doesn't
deserve to come out victorious either.
>> Or, perhaps, it's because it's a well-written, hilarious, family program. I
>> laughed at this show more than anything else I watched on television this
>> season. It's sixteen nominations were more than I could hope for, and I hope
>> they garner at least ten of them.
> Raymond hardly got anywhere near 16 nominations. Sopranos is the >one
>that got that many. (And I don't think any cable show has ever gotten the
>most nominations of any other program before that.)
Well, including lighting, make-up, etc(aka: The awards no-one cares about), I
thought I heard they got sixteen nominations. Could be wrong, though; maybe
they only got six. In that case, I hope they get all of 'em.
I also find it hard to believe how The Sopranos could get four nominations, in
the same catergory, for best dramatic writing.
>> Although I immensaly enjoy Frasier, I don't think it deserved a nod for
"Best
>> Comdey Series". The show was a disapointment this year, and other comedies
>> could have taken it's place in the Emmy's.
> I think it's a tradition now. And honestly, even a bad episode of
>Frasier is often smarter than a good episode of, say, "Will and Grace."
Yeah, but there were some shows that were funnier than Frasier this year, such
as "The Drew Carey Show" which was totally over-looked.
>> Have to disagree with you again. Lisa Kudrow, IMO, is the least enjoyable
>> person on Friends.
> What's wrong with nasty villains winning? Rhea Perlman was a frequent
>winner of Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series for playing the
>vile-tongued Carla Tortelli, and she did it well. Lucy Liu does it well,
>too. She's an unusual character, and a scene-stealer and is part of what
>makes Ally McBeal different from the rest. Though, admittedly, Phoebe Buffay
>is different enough, as well, to deserve a win.
I didn't disagree with Lucy Lui; she is a good candidate. What I disagreed with
was your saying that Lisa Kudrow shoud win, since her "Ok, shut-up. Yeah,
whatever!" persona grew very tiresome, IMO.
>> Anything with John Ritter, IMO, is bad casting to begin with.
> Well...be that as it may, I considered him bad casting because the
>episode was all about Ally and Elaine both fawning over him as if he's this
>young attractive stud. Besides the fact that his acting was unconvincing,
>there was nothing about the way he *looked* that made him convincing. His
>appearance seemed to be all tied in to his big name.
I never saw the episode mentioned, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
that his apperence was awful. It probably was. Good-day.
-Alex(The #2 Simpsons/Transformers Fan)