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DanSul99

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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Some of you are really bugging me. Why do you have to knock AOL all the time?
If it`s a person with an AOL email address, someone who talks about AOL you
just have to criticise them. Why do you hate AOL? It`s a very good service
provider. OK, maybe not as fast as lets say... compuserve, but it has a lot
more interesting features and good chat rooms and a good news service! You are
just jealous because it has the most members and most features and you just
can`t bear with the fact that on your poxy, nonentity little service provider
you won`t get almost ANY of the features that AOL has. Ha ha ha.........

I know it is very "off topic" but I feel honoured to post this message,
standing up for 9 million people.

CmputaChic

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This speaking from someone who is obviously a member of AOL, it does suck. I
am only a member because i dont have enough money to get my own provider but i
would if i could. an examply being i have to do Newsgroups thru thier piece of
crap program as well as email and other things. and their TOS people are very
pesky.

i dont think people should be insulted for using AOL tho, because usually its
just the service of choice for internet-ignorant parents of people like me.

of course, i am a part-time troll, so i guess maybe I'm the one creating the
bad image for AOLers.

Bartron

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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I'm aware of the irony of what I'm about to say since I use AOL......so I'll
just say that I pay nothing for it.

AOL is the worst online service you can have.
I get spammed more than humanly possible, I get disconnected several times a
day, and there's the stereotype of all it's users being braindead (let me say
that 90% of them are; I can vouch for this just by some of the instant messages
I've gotten)

So why am I on it? Well, we get any online service we want free here; the
company lets my father have it. So it costs us nothing. The thing is, nobody in
this household thinks anything is wrong with AOL, they *like* it....because
they're totally clueless about net stuff....they're like the people on the
commercials "I can even send an email on the inter-net!"

So I'm outnumbered, and I can't justify $20 a month for my own service right
now.

This is way off topic, so I'm attempting to make it on topic - apparently, some
Simpsons staffers are on AOL.

PigBurnerX

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>
>AOL is the worst online service you can have.

I've been online a week, never used any other ISP ever and already I agree with
you! I'm using this now 'cos I'm not being charged yet either, but it bites!

It's so damned s-l-o-w, choked with scrolling adverts and infested with
cretinous half-wits (like that I Hate Lisa guy) and here in the UK it's even
more expensive to subscribe than in the States.

>
>This is way off topic, so I'm attempting to make it on topic - apparently,
>some
>Simpsons staffers are on AOL.
>

I'm certain I had a fight with John Swartzwelder! If it wasn't him then it was
obviously a big fan 'cos he kept using quotes from his shows. His alias was
MrIdiot and he was well funny. Didn't like me tho' but.

"The difference between the Surrealists and I is that I am a Surrealist." -
Salvador Dali

Neaver eat anything bigger than your head.

The WAV King

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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No I won't stop.

I was on AOL for several months, so I am allowed to speak from both sides of the
fence.
I no longer get spam (Maybe a couple a week. totally bearable.)
I no longer get logged off spontaneously
I no longer get logged off for being inactive or mearly being on for 46 minutes and
not acknowledging the fact.
I now have 24 hour LIVE tech support, and I get through right away.


When I send wavs files to aol members and I don't zip them into one file, I get
complaints about "what the hell is a MIME file?" "I can't read this, please resend
it..."
You CAN read it.....this is just an example of how AOL makes things so simple that
when it comes to really using the computer, you don't know what to do. It's a
McServer. All packaged nice and neat, but you don't really learn as much that way.

For example, AOL's connection and mail service is totally different. You are stuck
using their software for everything. And what about ICQ? You can use it, but only
with the 32 bit AOL version and it does not launch automatly as it
should.......Should I go on?

AOL is for people who are computer illiterate and want to be read to, instead of
learning the language themselves.


'nuf said

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Oranguboy

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DanSul99 wrote in message <19981104033805...@ng65.aol.com>...

>Some of you are really bugging me. Why do you have to knock AOL all the
time?
>If it`s a person with an AOL email address, someone who talks about AOL you
>just have to criticise them. Why do you hate AOL? It`s a very good
service
>provider. OK, maybe not as fast as lets say... compuserve, but it has a
lot
>more interesting features and good chat rooms and a good news service!

All of which come standard with any ISP.

>You are
>just jealous because it has the most members and most features and you just
>can`t bear with the fact that on your poxy, nonentity little service
provider
>you won`t get almost ANY of the features that AOL has. Ha ha ha.........


Ok, yes, you caught us in our jealousy. My local "nonentity" ISP
has a MUCH faster upstream connection than what you effectively get through
AOL. I get 8 megs free web page space, use of a news server, a POP3 mail
account. My ISP also supports ISDN and xDSL, and PPP multilink
connections. And, of course, you can use any software/hardware you want. I
could
set up a goddamn VAX/VMS host in my house and use it to dial in to my
account, no problem. All for the same exact price as AOL.

>I know it is very "off topic" but I feel honoured to post this message,
>standing up for 9 million people.


Millions of flies dine on shit, doesn't mean I will.

Paul Tomko

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In article <19981104033805...@ng65.aol.com>,

DanSul99 <dans...@aol.com> wrote:
>Some of you are really bugging me. Why do you have to knock AOL all the time?
>If it`s a person with an AOL email address, someone who talks about AOL you
>just have to criticise them. Why do you hate AOL? It`s a very good service
>provider. OK, maybe not as fast as lets say... compuserve, but it has a lot
>more interesting features and good chat rooms and a good news service! You are

>just jealous because it has the most members and most features and you just
>can`t bear with the fact that on your poxy, nonentity little service provider
>you won`t get almost ANY of the features that AOL has. Ha ha ha.........
>
>I know it is very "off topic" but I feel honoured to post this message,
>standing up for 9 million people.

I recently posted a response to some AOLer who berated a newbie for asking
some perfectly valid questions. I basically said "Why doesn't it
surprise me that this post originated from AOL." That doesn't mean that
I consider all AOLers to be idiots, but there does seem to be a high
correlation. Also, most of the trollers seem to originate from AOL. And
most of the posts berating people for asking questions tend to come from AOL,
most of them containing a ridiculous amount of capital letters, misspellings,
curse words and bad grammar.

Sure there are competent, intelligent AOL users, but the AOL community as
a whole has an average age of probably 12, an average mentality of about 6,
and a brain with the mass of a non-migratory European Swallow.

I for one judge each AOLer one the basis of his or her posts. If they
exhibit some sort of cerebral functionality, I am more than willing to
accept them. But I am not above slamming the community as a whole.

Hey, the AOLers have managed to make a better showing of themselves than
the Web-TVers on this newsgroup.

Paul
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Brad Bizzolt

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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On 4 Nov 1998 08:51:04 GMT, cmput...@aol.com (CmputaChic) wrote:

>This speaking from someone who is obviously a member of AOL, it does suck. I
>am only a member because i dont have enough money to get my own provider but i
>would if i could.

Explain this phenomenon of not being afford something that's much cheaper.


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Paul Tomko

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In article <36409...@news3.enter.net>,

Brad Bizzolt <biz...@grossberg.udel.edu> wrote:
>On 4 Nov 1998 08:51:04 GMT, cmput...@aol.com (CmputaChic) wrote:
>
>>This speaking from someone who is obviously a member of AOL, it does suck. I
>>am only a member because i dont have enough money to get my own provider but i
>>would if i could.
>
>Explain this phenomenon of not being afford something that's much cheaper.

AOL is actually free if you are clever. I have a friend who has had it free
for three months now. Every time they go to cancel AOL offers to give
them another month for free.

My sister once told me that she had so little money that she had to eat
at McDonalds every day. I had to explain to her that she could have had 50
bowls of ramen noodles for each meal she ate at McDonalds. Some people
just don't get it.

CmputaChic

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>Sure there are competent, intelligent AOL users, but the AOL community as
>a whole has an average age of probably 12, an average mentality of about 6,
>and a brain with the mass of a non-migratory European Swallow.
>

ok, im on aol. and if u visit this newsgroup often, you know i have a tendancy
to troll but only either to make fun of truely obsessive people (tho without
whom there would be no simpsons NG) or just to pass painfull boredom.
that aside, its true AOL is basically an internet service for idiots and if i
had it my way, I would be using an ISP provider. AOL is just a homogonized
version of the internet. they even block out access to specific newsgroups,
such as anti-aol NG's, because they like to control what crosses their
customer's eyes as much as possible.
AOL is the Internet for those who just learned how to use a computer. It
really does suck, altho I am happy they stopped doing that annoying 46 minute
bot (which would sign a user off even if they were keeping their account
perfectly active, if they were on for more than 46 minutes and maybe were using
an external program and forgot to check back and confirm that they werent
asleep at the keyboard -try downloading something large and watchin the
Simpsons with that piece of shit hanging over your shoulder.).

Brad Bizzolt

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On 4 Nov 1998 18:01:37 GMT, to...@typhoon.xnet.com (Paul Tomko) wrote:

>AOL is actually free if you are clever. I have a friend who has had it free
>for three months now. Every time they go to cancel AOL offers to give
>them another month for free.

Doesn't it say something about a service that boasts millions of subscribers, ad
campaigns that say they're the best in the business, etc. that needs to beg on their
knees to keep people signed up? That's really funny.

>My sister once told me that she had so little money that she had to eat
>at McDonalds every day.

Now -that- makes no sense whatsoever. The average McDonalds meal costs about $5-6,
depending on how much you eat.

>I had to explain to her that she could have had 50 bowls of ramen noodles for each meal
>she ate at McDonalds. Some people just don't get it.

Yes, but that's what college is for. ;)

DAVE

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On 4 Nov 1998 08:38:05 GMT, dans...@aol.com (DanSul99) wrote:

>Some of you are really bugging me. Why do you have to knock AOL all the time?
>If it`s a person with an AOL email address, someone who talks about AOL you
>just have to criticise them. Why do you hate AOL? It`s a very good service
>provider. OK, maybe not as fast as lets say... compuserve, but it has a lot
>more interesting features and good chat rooms and a good news service! You are
>just jealous because it has the most members and most features and you just
>can`t bear with the fact that on your poxy, nonentity little service provider
>you won`t get almost ANY of the features that AOL has. Ha ha ha.........
>
>I know it is very "off topic" but I feel honoured to post this message,
>standing up for 9 million people.
>

I can't determine if this is a troll or not....BUT! here it
goes......

I'm not trying to knock AOL, so don't take this wrong. In fact I have
a good friend that works for AOL. Here is a semi-brief explanation
why people slam AOL:

The thing about AOL is it has a really easy to use front-end to the
internet. The AOL software also provides an excellent interface for
the AOL network. It is so easy that a first-time, extreme novice
computer user can log on with relative ease. Imagine the new AOL
user, never having experienced the internet, all of a sudden thrown
what seems to be a phenomenal amount of information and neat little
features. For the first time internet user, this will take weeks of
heavy internet usage to sort out....and it will be fun! The problem
is, is that when they do master the AOL interface and learn all of the
internet buzzwords, they tend to think that they are extremely
knowledgeable about the internet and computers to the point where they
will use it to feed and unfounded arrogance about computers. This
tends to irritate certain people. For example:

I remember this conversation I had with a couple of people that were
on AOL while I was waiting to be seated at a restaurant. The
conversation was about the internet (just small talk), and one of them
told me that they were going to be sure and keep their computer off on
a certain day that happened to coincide with a virus activation. They
found out about the virus in AOL e-mail. When I asked them what good
turing off their computers on the activation day would do, they told
me that it will protect their computer from the virus. When I told
them that no virus programmer worth their brain would create a virus
to activate on a certain day and not have it activate on subsequent
days, they ignored it. When I told them that you can't get a virus
through e-mail unless you have your e-mail automatically run binary
files, they didn't believe me. When I told them that they shouldn't
feel so special because some 'schmo' isn't going to be the target of a
virus unless they went to "Guido's back door software" web page to
download stuff AND that most viruses are actually legitimate programs
that like to put parts of themselves all over your computer (and
occasionally screw with the boot sector), they blew me off
<<breath!>>. Forget the fact that I'm a 27 year old, full time,
college junior, CS major, who has been using computers to
telecommunicate since the age of 13 (puts it about at 1984). I do not
consider myself to be a master of computer and I have been using them
for almost 15 years. I saw the internet take shape in the public
sector first hand. Through all this I still give people the benefit
of the doubt when I am talking to them about computer systems or the
internet. I always talk to someone about computers as if they may
have more knowledge than myself.....until they reveal otherwise, and
I'm still not arrogant about it. (sorry... that's a little pent up
anger at those idiots at Best Buy who think they are computer gods).

Your message reveals some of the reasons why people slam AOL. You say
that people who use local ISP's (you say 'poxy' meaning 'proxy' which
they are not) are jealous of the AOL interface. One of the reasons
people join local ISP's is to get away from the software interface.
With and ISP I have the best news reader, the best e-mail program, the
best FTP program, the best IRC program, etc... I have all separate
clients. Each is separate and if I have problem with one, it doesn't
effect the others like a suite can sometimes do. My desktop is also
clean and I can truly multitask on and off the internet at the same
time and not cause the system to bog. When I log on my computer is
assigned an IP protocol address and is physically a part of the
internet which has a great deal of advantages. I think that ISPs are
misinterpreted by AOLers who are used to a flashy interface. Those
who actually see how a PPP connection works are not impressed because
nothing jumps out of the screen at you. AOL is not horrible, but
trust me when I say that it gives you the illusion that you have a
good deal of control over your connection and you are seeing all the
net has to offer when actually, you are not.

Anyway, my apologies for getting off group topic....

Dave


JEdraw

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The WAV King <john...@earthlink.net.NOSPAM> writes:
>AOL is for people who are computer illiterate and want to be read to, instead
>of learning the language themselves.

Well, you could argue that AOL does the same thing that Windows, or any
GUI does, only on a larger scale: simplify. Should you expect an average
computer user to be familiar with assembly code? Then why shoud you expect the
average internet user to know anything beyond what their ISP (in this case,
like most cases, AOL) requires to function properly?

On the other hand, you could also argue that Windows and the internet are
two different things, and in a community of people like the 'net, rather than
an isolated environment like an operating system, you have to learn the
language of the people, and not complain when left in the dust if you haven't.

Choose your sides, people!

(At this point, I suppose I should confess to being one of the many people
cluttering up The WAV King's mailbox with junk about MIME incompatibilities.
I'll always be a dumb ol' AOLer at heart.)

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4 Nov 1998 08:38:05 GMT was when a million monkeys took over dans...@aol.com

(DanSul99)'s computer and wrote:

>Some of you are really bugging me. Why do you have to knock AOL all the time?

AOL sux

</AOL talk>


(I could've contributed to the intelligent debate, but I don't feel like it. Instead,
I spoke in the language of a (stereo)typical AOLer.)

TTYL

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Lelow

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I pity the fool who has (Assembly Of Losers)
AOL will one day be a non-existent internet service provider!!! U just watch
those STOCK POINTS DROP!!!


"THE TRUTH!! YOU WANT THE TRUTH!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! I DESPISE YOUR
TRUTH HANDLING ABILITIES YOU NO GOOD TRUTH HANDLER YOU!!! NO IF YOU'LL
EXCUSE ME I HAVE A CITY TO RUN"
"BAILIFF, GET THAT MAN!!"
"WHY? oh, for all those bad things I did."

Bartron

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>I'm certain I had a fight with John Swartzwelder! If it wasn't him then it
>was obviously a big fan 'cos he kept using quotes from his shows. His alias
>was MrIdiot and he was well funny. Didn't like me tho' but.


I'm curious about Mr Idiot too.....the guy emailed me a couple times and told
me some details that you'd think only someone who worked on it would actually
know. He's really an inside guy it appears.

I know of a famous ex-staffer on AOL too, but I don't have his screen name.


DAVE

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On 4 Nov 1998 20:31:48 GMT, cmput...@aol.com (CmputaChic) wrote:


>AOL is the Internet for those who just learned how to use a computer. It
>really does suck, altho I am happy they stopped doing that annoying 46 minute
>bot (which would sign a user off even if they were keeping their account
>perfectly active, if they were on for more than 46 minutes and maybe were using
>an external program and forgot to check back and confirm that they werent
>asleep at the keyboard -try downloading something large and watchin the
>Simpsons with that piece of shit hanging over your shoulder.).


This "Bot" is actually something that is built into the server
software that will terminate dead lines. What I'm trying to say is
that it is not a 'bot' at all, it was something that started way,
waaaay back in the days of BBS's. Most BBS's were run on one line (I
used to run a few), which could be tied up all day if you have stingy
users. Not only did the BBS's have idle timeouts which would dump an
inactive user, but it had session timeouts and allowed only a certain
number of sessions per day. Most ISP's use them now because they
offer a static IP address at a slightly higher rate than normal access
fee. It is still a dial-in account, but you establish the same IP
address every time and you can stay on for as long as you want. Most
ISP go with a 20-30min idle timeout and a 12hour session timeout.
With the 12 hour timeout, it would take me about 3 connections to
download an entire CD and 56.6

I don't know if you cared to hear this....I just thought you would be
interested. Later!

Dave


DAVE

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On 04 Nov 1998 23:41:25 GMT, jed...@aol.com (JEdraw) wrote:


> Well, you could argue that AOL does the same thing that Windows, or any
>GUI does, only on a larger scale: simplify. Should you expect an average
>computer user to be familiar with assembly code? Then why shoud you expect the
>average internet user to know anything beyond what their ISP (in this case,
>like most cases, AOL) requires to function properly?
>

Well.... like you, I disagree with WAVking's quote. Like I posted in
an earlier message, I think that most peoples irritation with AOLers
is that many (not all) of them claim to be extremely computer and net
savvy when in actuality they know very little. Personally, I only get
irritated with them when they refuse to listen to someone because they
think they know it all. This happens quite often with people who buy
a computer and learn how to use it in a few months....all of a sudden,
they are the genius. I have a good friend who learned a little about
computers to where he was building them for people. Knowing that he
was severely jumping the gun, I finally made it over to his house to
see how he was coming along with setting the computers up. He had
bragged about setting several systems up and had one at his house that
he had just set up. Out of curiosity, I checked the system properties
and there were conflicts everywhere. He acted like he had never
viewed the system properties before. Not that that was any big
deal... I gladly showed him how to do it in a non-condecsnding way
(which is really hard for some people to do when talking about
computers).

But, you're right. Why should an AVERAGE user know anything beyond
their ISP?

One thing you mention about how Windows simplifies grabs my attention.
Just FYI, They did make it easier to the average joe....that is until
the system spills over and begins to crash. Notice that out of PC
Magazine's monthly top ten selling application software packages, 5 to
8 of them (at any given month) are something for system maintenance.
If you step back and look at Win95 or the like, you will realize that
the people who programmed it are money making geniuses for reasons
that I could list if you wanted. I still use it because of the 32bit
capability and I hate typing DOS commands over and over.

Dave


DAVE

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On 4 Nov 1998 17:23:21 GMT, to...@typhoon.xnet.com (Paul Tomko) wrote:


>Sure there are competent, intelligent AOL users, but the AOL community as
>a whole has an average age of probably 12, an average mentality of about 6,
>and a brain with the mass of a non-migratory European Swallow.
>

Are you sure that's not African?!? :D

Dave


AlexJ33106

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>Some of you are really bugging me. Why do you have to knock AOL all the time?
>If it`s a person with an AOL email address, someone who talks about AOL you
>just have to criticise them. Why do you hate AOL? It`s a very good service
>provider. OK, maybe not as fast as lets say... compuserve, but it has a lot
>more interesting features and good chat rooms and a good news service! You
are
>just jealous because it has the most members and most features and you just
>can`t bear with the fact that on your poxy, nonentity little service provider
>you won`t get almost ANY of the features that AOL has. Ha ha ha.........

>I know it is very "off topic" but I feel honoured to post this message,
>standing up for 9 million people.

Whoa, settle down... I use AOL, and I can take a joke every now and then.
Good-day.

-Alex

SvladCjell

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Nov 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/6/98
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hey! all U guyz that said that aol is all stupid , you suck!

me and the other aol pople are gonna kick your butt!


love,
Snarla

Kwame Phillips-Solomon

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Reasons people dislike AOL

1. AOL is notorious for being the choice ISP of Trolls
2. I hate AOL personally because they robbed me, threatened to take me to
court and permanently screwed up my Mothers credit report.
3. Like it or not they just plain suck. Their browser sucks, the interface
sucks, the service is unreliable. I know exAOLers who left because it took
them 30 mins to connect depending on what time of day it was.
4. They give very little support, for a ISP that's supposedly geared towards
Ameutures.
5. They are still gumming my mailbox with there stupid CDs

CmputaChic

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> I think that most peoples irritation with AOLers
>is that many (not all) of them claim to be extremely computer and net
>savvy when in actuality they know very little.

yea, AOL tricks inexperienced people into thinking their wizards with the
internet because AOL allows people to be so lazy.
plus, there are alot of WAREZ progs out there to easily minipulate AOL (not
such a hard task) and some kids think theyre hackers cause they can punt people
offline or some shit like that...
i personally hate AOL. I cant stress that enough...

CmputaChic

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oh god, the spam! and can you believe over 50% of AOL members fall for those
lame attempts little hacker kids make at pretending to be an AOL rep and asking
for their password...
you probably can.

Elizabeth More Mcauley

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In article <71v465$6...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Kwame Phillips-Solomon <Sol...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Reasons people dislike AOL

< good list of reasons snipped >

Just to throw fuel on the fire:

http://www.aolsucks.org/

It gives very detailed and accurate accounts of why AOL is such a poor
service provider.
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thew...@webtv.net

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here is an opinion, u all have a good thing as far as a good server as i
do . yes i have webtv which is a good server as well as a good set up. i
can't get a virus, i have fast uploads,as well as i can do things close
to a pc as u can get with a webtv.and i like this n.g. i will spread it
around !


thew...@webtv.net

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ok then COME COME to the waiting arms of webtv........


CdBulls23

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FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HATE AOL, MAYBE IT DIDN'T WORK ON YOUR COMPUTERS CAUSE
THEY ARE SO CHEAP!!! AND WHO SAID AOL IS SLOWER THAN COMPUSERVE, ALL U NEED IS
A NICE MODEM!!!

CmputaChic

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>FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HATE AOL, MAYBE IT DIDN'T WORK ON YOUR COMPUTERS CAUSE
>THEY ARE SO CHEAP!!! AND WHO SAID AOL IS SLOWER THAN COMPUSERVE, ALL U NEED
>IS >A NICE MODEM!!!

but then again, AOL is a bad service. oh, and you "suck" (do kids still use
that word?)

DAVE

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On 11 Nov 1998 00:29:25 GMT, cdbu...@aol.com (CdBulls23) wrote:

>FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HATE AOL, MAYBE IT DIDN'T WORK ON YOUR COMPUTERS CAUSE
>THEY ARE SO CHEAP!!! AND WHO SAID AOL IS SLOWER THAN COMPUSERVE, ALL U NEED IS
>A NICE MODEM!!!


I'm obviously responding to some kid here...I'm guessing 14?? AOL is
slow because they have heavy 'bog' during peak hours. But that can be
attributed to other services also. As for AOL modems, They do use
cheap modems on many of their servers (I have a good fried who works
for AOL) although they are in the very slow process of upgrading to
v.90....so I hear. That still doesn't change the fact that they have
cheap modems, so the connection may not be all that stable. My local
ISP has rack upon rack of USR 56.6 modems. These are about the best
modems for a stable connection.

Anyway.. I wrote a rather lengthy message earlier, about why people
get irritated with AOL'ers (meaning the users). This isn't a contest
to see who's the best. This isn't something proclaiming that I (or
whoever) am 'better' than the average AOLer. I'm simply stating the
fact that myself and many people on here can't stand the more than
occasional actions of AOLers. These actions are so frequent that the
people on AOL have been stereotyped (with good reason) as idiots.
This is mostly because they arrogantly proclaim themselves as
computer/internet geniuses after using AOL and nothing else. Another
thing is that AOL has many teenagers that use it for the first time
and go wild on it. By going wild, I mean that they get in chat rooms
(not that many AOLers know that IRC is out there) and newsgroups and
act like little kids poking a mad dog from behind a fence. They also
have a general lack of knowledge when using some of the main parts of
the internet.

If you need proof, go back and look at your last few responses. You
are rude for no reason (not that it is any big deal though), but worst
of all you don't quote any of the messages you are responding to.
Some would consider this netiquette but its really just common sense.
I mean, I don't know who you are talking to and in some cases, I don't
know what you are talking about because you didn't quote the previous
message!


to everyone else: sorry for answering this troll....I'm just in that
kind of mood....


Dave


DAVE

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Nov 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/11/98
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Not getting a virus is a plus of not being able to download and having
very limited access to the internet? I've used computer
telecommunications for 14 years.....since there were 300bps modems.
I've downloaded a virus one time and it wasn't even a virus. It was a
Trojan Horse. I've never ran resident anti-virus software and never
will.

If anyone feels the need to got out and actually buy an anti-virus
software package let me fill you in on something. 1) Most virus scares
are perpetuated by some hapless moron who is probably in league with
the people who code the anti-virus software. 2) the average 'joe'
computer user is not going to be the specific target of a virus.

Most 'viruses' that infect people's computers are associated with the
boot sector and generally send the hard-disk into compatibility paging
mode. News flash! 99.9% of the time, this is not a virus! It is
usually something that some program did when it was installing itself.
It can jump disks like a virus, but it is not malicious code. This
can be easily removed.

Keep in mind that virus software will identify anything as a virus
even if it is not. If there is some weird code or something in the
boot sector that is causing problems, a virus scanner will identify it
as a virus. Why shouldn't it? It lets you know that you didn't waste
'x' amount of dollars and that resident virus scanners are needed.

Just remember that at any given month, at least five of the top ten
selling software applications are programs used for system
maintenance....What does that tell you??


Wow I sure strayed on that one! It's getting late! Sorry for the off
topic message.

Dave


Paul Tomko

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Nov 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/11/98
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In article <19981110192925...@ng61.aol.com>,

CdBulls23 <cdbu...@aol.com> wrote:
>FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HATE AOL, MAYBE IT DIDN'T WORK ON YOUR COMPUTERS CAUSE
>THEY ARE SO CHEAP!!! AND WHO SAID AOL IS SLOWER THAN COMPUSERVE, ALL U NEED IS
>A NICE MODEM!!!

If this isn't a troll made up to look like a stereotypical AOL post,
then it is the single most stereotypical post I have seen from AOL.
Except they forgot to ask 'D00DZ, WERE KAN I GET N00D PIX!!!!'

"Agnostics open their prayers with 'To Whom it may concern'." - Unknown

Jake Lennington

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Nov 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/11/98
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da...@dave.net wrote:

>how about quote, QUOTING the messages you are
>responding to.....or is

>that another feature the WebTV lacks?

Nope.


DAVE

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Nov 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/12/98
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:32:44 -0600 (CST), thew...@webtv.net wrote:

>ok then COME COME to the waiting arms of webtv........

how about quote, QUOTING the messages you are responding to.....or is
that another feature the WebTV lacks?

Dave


peter pan

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Nov 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/12/98
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hee hee, we used to do that from an account at my high school instead
of going to classes. That is until we went online with their
passwords and asked more people. ahhh freshman year. :-p

peter pan

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Nov 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/12/98
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wait? what is college for, "getting it" or eating lots of ramen.
Cause all i'm getting is the noodles....

On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:30:13 GMT, biz...@grossberg.udel.edu (Brad
Bizzolt) wrote:

Brad Bizzolt

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Nov 12, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/12/98
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:49:37 GMT, Joshua_...@brown.edu (peter pan) wrote:

>wait? what is college for, "getting it" or eating lots of ramen.

A little from column A...

>Cause all i'm getting is the noodles....

Ewwwkkay. Oh, you mean RAMEN noodles! Gotcha.

JR jr.

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da...@dave.net (DAVE) wrote:

>On 11 Nov 1998 00:29:25 GMT, cdbu...@aol.com (CdBulls23) wrote:
>
>>FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HATE AOL, MAYBE IT DIDN'T WORK ON YOUR COMPUTERS CAUSE
>>THEY ARE SO CHEAP!!! AND WHO SAID AOL IS SLOWER THAN COMPUSERVE, ALL U NEED IS
>>A NICE MODEM!!!
>
>

>I'm obviously responding to some kid here...I'm guessing 14?? AOL is
>slow because they have heavy 'bog' during peak hours. But that can be
>attributed to other services also. As for AOL modems, They do use
>cheap modems on many of their servers (I have a good fried who works
>for AOL) although they are in the very slow process of upgrading to
>v.90....so I hear. That still doesn't change the fact that they have
>cheap modems, so the connection may not be all that stable. My local
>ISP has rack upon rack of USR 56.6 modems. These are about the best
>modems for a stable connection.
>

<SNIP>
>Dave

Say, Dave, did you hear the one about the AOLer that left AOL to join WEBTV?

Raised the average intelligence level of both groups!

JR

BPO...@hotmail.com

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Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
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I know this whole thread has been way off topic and I prolly shouldn't even be
responding but...I *do* feel compelled to make a few points.

A *Note* to the reader: I did *not* browse through *every* single message in
this thread.


In article <19981104033805...@ng65.aol.com>,
dans...@aol.com (DanSul99) wrote:
<snip> <snip>

Dan, trolling is no way to get your point across. Ad Hominen never worked.

Having said that, I *do* agree with you, to an extent, in that AOL *does*
take more crud than it really deserves. Y'see, I was an AOL member for 2
years, I quit them a couple of months ago. AOL *is* a nice service; IMHO, I
*still* think it's the *easiest* and most user-friendly online service to
use. For someone who knows almost *nothing* about the 'net and pc's ( and I
still don't), this was my user-heaven. Also, AOL probably has the most
*superior* chat-service anywhere on the net. For me personally, AOL was
great because it was the official site-home of DC Comics Online ( AOL is the
home site of *many* different companies). AOL is the most *popular* online
provider in the world...even the most ardent Anti-AOLer would have to concede
that AOL is doing *something* right. So then...why did I leave AOL you ask?
Well, to make it short and simple: AOL's 'net-surfing capabilities leave
something to be desired:

1) The browser is incompatible with java and cookies ( did I say that right?)

2) I felt that AOL's newsgroup "user preferences/options" were too
*limited*...you didn't have the freedom of choosing which e-mail address you
wanted to use whenst posting to the NG's.

The sad thing is that AOL 4.0 *still* hasn't improved on these deficits (
among many). That's why I left AOL.

I think it all comes down to personal preference. If you like USER-FRIENDLY,
*local* online services( like E! Online, WARNER BROS. online, George Magazine,
etc,etc) and superior chat-rooms and Instant messaging features, AOL is your
thing. OTOH, if exploring the world-wide web and the newsgroups is your
preference, then go with Netscape, Microsoft IE, etc.

--
Peace,
Brent

http://www.hotmail.com

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The WAV King

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Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
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You pretty much nailed it in a round about way. The biggest thing I hated about
AOL was being locked into their special mail and news readers. But with any other
regular ISP, you can use Netscape OR Microsft Outlook, etc. While AOL is easy to
use, and it took me a while to adjust to the new changes, I now have many more
options as you stated.

Incidently, you CAN alter your reply address in AOL to add a NOSPAM line. But
you're right, you can not have it reply to another address altogether...


TVsGrady

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Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
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I appreciate what Brent and the WAV King are saying in the wake of all these
"all AOlers and WebTVers are morons" flames. I'll be the first to admit that an
awful lot of people on AOL are just dumb, annoying kids. That doesn't mean
we're ALL like that...


TV's Grady: Moonlight Jedi Knight Who Says Ni
"You, who were without mercy, now beg for it? I thought you were made of
sterner stuff."-Optimus Prime
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thew...@webtv.net

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Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
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ok dave since we are LACK of the things u do how 'bout i show u. we are
just as good as u and better and worse than aol. i guess i need 2 show u
then.....


MrBadSport

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Nov 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/14/98
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>ok dave since we are LACK of the things u do how 'bout i show u. we are
>just as good as u and better and worse than aol. i guess i need 2 show u
>then.....
>

Another typical incoherent post from a Web-TVer.

______

Craig.........

To Email me, remove the NOSPAM above.
"Here we have Kang in a sound proof booth backstage"
"I hear all"

Brad Bizzolt

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Nov 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/14/98
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On 14 Nov 1998 16:33:21 GMT, mrbad...@aol.comNOSPAM (MrBadSport) wrote:

>>ok dave since we are LACK of the things u do how 'bout i show u. we are
>>just as good as u and better and worse than aol. i guess i need 2 show u
>>then.....
>>
>
>Another typical incoherent post from a Web-TVer.

And another unjustifiable stereotype perpetuated...

AcK!

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Nov 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/15/98
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Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:43:50 GMT was when a million monkeys took over

biz...@grossberg.udel.edu (Brad Bizzolt)'s computer and wrote:

>On 14 Nov 1998 16:33:21 GMT, mrbad...@aol.comNOSPAM (MrBadSport) wrote:
>
>>>ok dave since we are LACK of the things u do how 'bout i show u. we are
>>>just as good as u and better and worse than aol. i guess i need 2 show u
>>>then.....
>>>
>>
>>Another typical incoherent post from a Web-TVer.
>
>And another unjustifiable stereotype perpetuated...

... by the Web-TVer.

<g>

TTYL

... The wrong way always seems the more reasonable.
krup...@yahoospa.com
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Brad Bizzolt

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On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:38:08 GMT, krup...@yahoospa.com (AcK!) wrote:

>Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:43:50 GMT was when a million monkeys took over
>biz...@grossberg.udel.edu (Brad Bizzolt)'s computer and wrote:
>
>>On 14 Nov 1998 16:33:21 GMT, mrbad...@aol.comNOSPAM (MrBadSport) wrote:
>>
>>>>ok dave since we are LACK of the things u do how 'bout i show u. we are
>>>>just as good as u and better and worse than aol. i guess i need 2 show u
>>>>then.....
>>>>
>>>
>>>Another typical incoherent post from a Web-TVer.
>>
>>And another unjustifiable stereotype perpetuated...
>
>... by the Web-TVer.

OK... well, uh, that's what I meant by "another"! Yes, that will do. ;)

Mmm... semantics.

thew...@webtv.net

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I HAD A FEW BEERS, OK !?


AcK!

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Sun, 15 Nov 1998 03:05:38 GMT was when a million monkeys took over

biz...@grossberg.udel.edu (Brad Bizzolt)'s computer and wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:38:08 GMT, krup...@yahoospa.com (AcK!) wrote:
>
>>Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:43:50 GMT was when a million monkeys took over
>>biz...@grossberg.udel.edu (Brad Bizzolt)'s computer and wrote:
>>
>>>On 14 Nov 1998 16:33:21 GMT, mrbad...@aol.comNOSPAM (MrBadSport) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>ok dave since we are LACK of the things u do how 'bout i show u. we are
>>>>>just as good as u and better and worse than aol. i guess i need 2 show u
>>>>>then.....
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Another typical incoherent post from a Web-TVer.
>>>
>>>And another unjustifiable stereotype perpetuated...
>>
>>... by the Web-TVer.
>
>OK... well, uh, that's what I meant by "another"! Yes, that will do. ;)
>
>Mmm... semantics.

Mmm... jar of garlic pickles.

That was one of the most disjunct lead-ins to an ep I've ever seen (in recent
memory).

TTYL

... 911 emergency... can you hold?

Perry Quan

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On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:27:49 -0600 (CST), thew...@webtv.net wrote:

>I HAD A FEW BEERS, OK !?

Friends don't let friends drink and post.

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