season finale
Beth Goldstein
the season finale was not just bad, it was tasteless and offensive.
From being one of the best shows on TV to now being one of the worst
shows, I'd just like to know, what happened?
Beth
ImNoxious
Don't read the following, unless you want to know how season finale
ends...
Jerry does a George, proposing to a woman he meets who is just like him
because he is feeling lonely. But George's fiancee dies from licking old
envelopes for their wedding invitations. There you have it.
Mitchell Virchick P225
In article <DrJy1...@emr1.emr.ca>, kosta.k...@cc2smtp.nrcan.gc.ca (Gus) writes:
|> This show is an insult to its viewers.
I'm not insulted at all. What the hell do you want? The Waltons? Cosby? These are self-absorbed people here. They're not saints. When Jerry said "I hate myself", it was the most daring thing I'd seen in a sitcom in years. George smoking those cigarettes? Beautiful. I thought the show was hysterical, and definitely a classic. Turn about fair play, they call it, when one person gets off the hook, and another gets hooked.
Whoever said the writers didn't think much of Susan had his head up his tuchas. They got rid of Mr. Pitt, and I loved him, but supporting cast members get written in and out of this show all the time. Susan was great--I loved her scornful, belittling attitude toward George, driving his insecurities into a frothy panic. So they dumped her. She's not in the core cast, so whaddaya want?
If you're going to kill off a character in a sitcom, you might as well make it a freak accident. Life is funny that way.
Stake your high moral ground for alt.righteous.indignation
--
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Mitchell Virchick "Now is the time for all
mvi...@bnr.ca good men to come to the
Nortel-35 Davis aid of their party."
Darwin Teague
What does everyone think of the latest episode?
Poor dead Lilly!!
I wonder where ole JCSC (or whatever his name was) is now. I'll bet
he's REALLY bummed out about now....
Gus
bgc...@ix.netcom.com(Beth Goldstein) wrote:
I agree with your comments !
This show has been very funny and clever in the past. IMO George was
the funniest character on the show until las night. In the season
ending ep, his character really becomes pathetic and pretty much a
loser. I am saddened by what people find funny these days. Why
not have Susan live but break off the marriage because she is angry at
him for buying the cheap invitations.
As if the show wasn't offensive enough, they had to add the little
segment at the end (while the credits were rolling) of George calling
up Marisa for a date to or after (I am not sure which one) the
funeral.
Andrea Barol
Poor Susan! She was doomed from the first day George walked into NBC to
pitch the show about nothing. We looked at eachother in disbelief when
the doctor told George the shocking news. "Please don't laugh or give the
doctor a high five that will destroy this show forever!" I thought. "How
are they going to recover from this plotline and come back next year to
their fans?" Well I think they did a good job of it really. You know why
I love Seinfeld, the show never lies to us, the characters never stray
from their bottom line basic anti-social behavior. So many sitcoms make
their characters do things their characters would never do like the people
on Friends or Murphy Brown. George used to say "God would never let me be
happy." And, for once I believe him.
John O. Haraldson
In <4ni6hv$e...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> bw...@ix.netcom.com (Brian
Wren) writes:
>
>In <DrJy1...@emr1.emr.ca> kosta.k...@cc2smtp.nrcan.gc.ca (Gus)
>writes:
>original idea. I thought this episode was the funniest one of the
>season. I laughed hystarically when George called Marisa.
>
>The thing that has made Seinfeld so much better than other shows is
its
>originality. That has suffered in the past couple of seasons because
>so many other shows are now doing exactly the same thing making it
old.
> This episode was a return to pieces of humor that no other show could
>get away with.
>
>Anyone offended by that episode needs to get a life and a sense of
>humor.
I totally agree with the comment immediately above. This is just TV
folks, its not real. The key to Seinfeld is not just the bizarre
situations these people find themselves in but in its originality and
the fact that all four of the main characters involved are completely
self-centered. This show demonstrated all of those qualities in
spades.
No one, myself included, thought that the show would dare kill off a
character as prominant as Susan. So much so that it never even entered
my mind as a possibility until the Doctor told George she was gone.
The reaction of George, Jerry, Elaine and Kramer was then totally
focused on how this affected themselves, not about "poor Susan" the way
normal, well-balanced people would. The fact that it offended so many
regular folks on this newsgroup (to the extent those of us who post on
a newsgroup are normal) is exactly the reaction they wanted. It was
daring, and I thought it hilarious.
It's not like this is the first time the characters have demonstrated
how shallow they are. Geez, George does it week in and week out.
Their reaction was true to form for the "made-up" and "screwed-up"
characters they really are. I am sure that Seinfeld and Larry David
wanted just the disgusted reaction they are getting, they knew exactly
what they were doing.
Dave Howlett
1. In poor taste
2. Not really humourous for any episode, much less a season finale
3. As my wife said, "Geez, they could have least put her in a coma -
that way George gets off the hook -for now."
Do you think Seinfeld writers were protesting poor wages?
theresa anne harte
On 17 May 1996, Beth Goldstein wrote:
> the season finale was not just bad, it was tasteless and offensive.
> From being one of the best shows on TV to now being one of the worst
> shows, I'd just like to know, what happened?
> Beth
>
>Thank you so much for saying that. I am freaking out. I watch the show
to relax and get my mind off the horrors of the world and then Susan is
dead and no one cares???????????????? Bad move .
Brian Wren
>
>>the season finale was not just bad, it was tasteless and offensive.
>>From being one of the best shows on TV to now being one of the worst
>>shows, I'd just like to know, what happened?
>>Beth
>
Mike
>Anyone offended by that episode needs to get a life and a sense of
>humor.
i can understand why people might be offended by that show, but
regardless it was still a greatly funny episode. one of the few shows
this year that contained true seinfeld dialogue... my problem with
susan's death is that george's reaction to it doesn't seem to fit his
character...but cmon, susan isn't a real person. who cares..its the
greatest show of our time.
mike
Susan H. Golden
A colleague of mine named Costanza (he's Italian and Catholic) claims
that after seeing last night's episode he's convinced that George is
Jewish.... He says that if George was Italian and didn't want his wife
around any more, he'd put her feet in cement and dump her in a river!
Just thought you'd like to know...
--Susan
Susan H. Golden
Here's some trivia for you: "Susan" comes from the Hebrew for "lily."
IMHO it wasn't an accident that he called her Lily as opposed to Mary
or Jill or Donna or.....
--Susan
KOERBER DUNCAN DANIEL
In article <DrJy1...@emr1.emr.ca>,
Gus <kosta.k...@cc2smtp.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote:
>This show has been very funny and clever in the past. IMO George was
>the funniest character on the show until las night. In the season
>ending ep, his character really becomes pathetic and pretty much a
>loser. I am saddened by what people find funny these days. Why
Haha..l you JUST REALIZED, based on this episode, that George is "pathetic
and pretty much a loser"? He's always been that way!
>As if the show wasn't offensive enough, they had to add the little
>segment at the end (while the credits were rolling) of George calling
>up Marisa for a date to or after (I am not sure which one) the
>funeral.
His calling up Marisa Tomei was great.. perfectly in character (he did
dream of her earlier this season). I didn't find it any more offensive
than the show's past treatment of the mentally and physically handicapped,
of people with different religions and beliefs and of different races.
--
/|Duncan Koerber "...pigs, too frequent at our tables, ... are
||Erindale College no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a
\|University of Toronto well-grown fat, yearling child..." - Swift
dle...@soca.com
character was worth having around ... instead, their solution a flat,
pointless and silly. And frankly, not very funny.
Monty D. Martin
bw...@ix.netcom.com (Brian Wren) wrote:
>Anyone offended by that episode needs to get a life and a sense of
>humor.
It's nice that you think people who disagree with you don't have a
life or a sense of humor. I hope we get the opportunity to hear what
else is wrong with us in your future posts.
Monty
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"A cigar may be just a cigar, but Lanie, now she's a smoke." -- W.T. 'Doc' Pfefferle, PhD.
KOERBER DUNCAN DANIEL
In article <4nh146$l...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
Beth Goldstein <bgc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>the season finale was not just bad, it was tasteless and offensive.
>From being one of the best shows on TV to now being one of the worst
>shows, I'd just like to know, what happened?
That's what made it a great episode, it was tasteless and offensive. :)
David Mandell
The real problem with the final show is that
it didn't have Newman(hellllooo Newman). How
could the writers have kept Newman out? Don't
they know that Newman is a great character
played by a terrific actor? Maybe it will
turn out that Susan faked being dead and eloped
with Newman.
Rusty Meathook
ba...@mail.med.upenn.edu (Andrea Barol) wrote:
>doctor a high five that will destroy this show forever!" I thought. "How
>are they going to recover from this plotline and come back next year to
>their fans?" Well I think they did a good job of it really. You know why
Ten bucks says Susan won't even be mentioned next season. ;)
- Rusty "will debate for food" Meathook
Monty D. Martin
Brendan Guy <RG...@vvm.com> wrote:
> You know, a lot of people have been saying that they were offended
>by George' reaction to Susan's death. Well, what did they expect, he
>obviously didn't love her, hell he didn't even like her, they had nothing
>in common (remember all the scenes when they were alone), George went
>after Susan in a moment of weekness because he was afraid of being alone
>for the rest of his life, and has regreted it ever since. He felt no
>affection for her, why would he greatly grieve over her death. At least
>he didn't start laughing out loud or gloating, I think he was pretty much
>in shock, I know I was, I mean it was such a ridiculous way to die, who
>would have thought that Susan would die by trying to lick 200 cheap
>envelopes that had a toxic adhesive. It isn't exactly the way that most
>people check out. And if you really think about it, Susan had to die.
>It was the final thing for George to do to her, think of everything else
>that has happened to Susan in the time she has been with George, and yet
>she stayed with him, she was just pushing the odds to far, death was the
>only thing left for George to do to her. And okay it was rather
>tasteless, but so was the death of Russel at the end of the two part
>episode about Jerry and George's pilot, that was pretty much an
>unnecessary death as well, and it ended a great episode in a great season
>on a rather depressing note. Look at it this way, Susan went out in
>style, she died better than anyone else on this show ever has, and the
>facial expressions on her face while she was licking the envelopes were
>classic. And in all other areas it was a pretty funny episode. I will
>miss Susan, I would have kinda liked to see her and George together, and I
>am sure they could have worked the plot in a way that wouldn't have
>required killing her, but it happened, get over it, life goes on.
>Rest in peace Susan.
> Brendan W. Guy
>
I think that was the most rational post in favor of the episode I've
seen. Brendan didn't resort to name calling or belittling everybody
who was shocked or offended by Susan's death. While I don't agree
with the way the the situation was resolved, I applaud Brendan for
taking the high road in his response.
COMCAP1
I really loved Jenine Garofalo as Jerry's new girl and having George call
up Marisa Tomei at the and was great! I cracked up.
Deborah A. Currie
In <4nitgr$m...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> shgo...@ix.netcom.com (Susan
FUNNY! Thanks for the laugh.
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Debbie (DACu...@ix.netcom.com) Dallas, TX
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JCS21212
I'm back and probably for the last time (although I will answer some
responses to this).
From Jeremy Scott (also known as JCS21212):
For those of you who remember me from several months ago, I am the one who
feels that Susan Ross was the best character on Seinfeld and on television
as a whole. I felt she made a good show great and provided the impetus
for some of Seinfeld's best episodes (the Bubble Boy, Bosco episode, and
the Rabbi come to mind off hand). Up until three days ago, Seinfeld was
my favorite show on television and I looked forward to each Thursday as
the best night of television.
The season finale of Seinfled changed my entire perspective and to a
significant degree my life. The death of Susan (her murder at the hand of
incompetent and tasteless writers) was the single worst event on TV that I
have seen. It was a devastating blow to myself and to the show. The
death itself was awful enough (from licking toxins in envelopes? That
would never occur in the United States where anything that comes into
contact with humans has to go through mountains of regulations before
being allowed on the market and old products are periodically recalled for
safety reasons) but the reaction of George and the other three characters
was despicable. The writers could have simply broken the engagement or
had a disaster at the wedding and the engagement storyline could have come
to a happy peaceful close. Seinfeld could have gone back to being
thoroughly mediocre (as it was last season) and the characters could have
gone on. Why they felt the need to introduce an important issue
(premature accidental death) onto a show about unimportant issues is
beyond me. Seinfeld is not a show that people watch becuase it is not
going to shock them or force them to deal with emotional issues. By
killing Susan the writers brought an important issue (the death of someone
close to the characters) into being and then handled it like Seinfeld
handles cereal and shoelaces, that is trivially.
I will close by apologizing for the length and somewhat chaotic nature of
this post and by saying that the season finale of Seinfeld was the worst
Seinfeld ever (even though it had Susan). I will never watch the show
again and I might not even be able to watch repeats. I couldn't never
have concieved that Seinfeld would have had the negative emotional effect
on me that it now has but I guess after watching a show for five years,
one tends to grow attached. Thank you.
Jeremy Scott
"Don't you worry Mr. Simpson, I've argued in front of every judge in this
state. Often as a lawyer."
Lionel Hutz
Tom Sliva
In article <4nittd$m...@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com> shgo...@ix.netcom.com (Susan H. Golden ) writes:
>From: shgo...@ix.netcom.com (Susan H. Golden )
>Subject: Why Kramer called Susan "Lily"
>Date: 17 May 1996 22:17:17 GMT
>--Susan
Not to overanalyze or anything, but could Kramer have foreshadowed Susan's
death by calling her Lily, seeing as this is traditionally a flower associated
with death in many cultures? Any takers?
Tom
sharon eisenberg
I am glad to see the tremendous amount of discussion about the Seinfeld
shocking season finale. I thought it was tasteless
tfl...@forest.drew.edu
In article <barol-17059...@centrex03.med.upenn.edu>, ba...@mail.med.upenn.edu (Andrea Barol) writes:
> Poor Susan! She was doomed from the first day George walked into NBC to
> pitch the show about nothing. We looked at eachother in disbelief when
> the doctor told George the shocking news. "Please don't laugh or give the
> are they going to recover from this plotline and come back next year to
> their fans?" Well I think they did a good job of it really. You know why
> from their bottom line basic anti-social behavior. So many sitcoms make
> their characters do things their characters would never do like the people
> on Friends or Murphy Brown. George used to say "God would never let me be
> happy." And, for once I believe him.
I was waiting for George to say "I'm out" When he heard tha Susan was
dead. I'm glad that they didn't go there.
janine
Mark
On 17 May 1996 22:17:17 GMT, shgo...@ix.netcom.com (Susan H. Golden )
wrote:
-Here's some trivia for you: "Susan" comes from the Hebrew for
"lily."
-IMHO it wasn't an accident that he called her Lily as opposed to Mary
-or Jill or Donna or.....
-
---Susan
-
GET OUT!!!!
Brendan Guy
cord...@ix.netcom.com(Mike ) wrote:
>
> i can understand why people might be offended by that show, but
>regardless it was still a greatly funny episode. one of the few shows
>this year that contained true seinfeld dialogue... my problem with
>susan's death is that george's reaction to it doesn't seem to fit his
>character...but cmon, susan isn't a real person. who cares..its the
>greatest show of our time.
Mindcrimer
bgc...@ix.netcom.com(Beth Goldstein) wrote:
>the season finale was not just bad, it was tasteless and offensive.
>From being one of the best shows on TV to now being one of the worst
>shows, I'd just like to know, what happened?
Oh shutup! It's not one of the worst. Look at the ratings.
Gondola Bob
In article <4nld90$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcs2...@aol.com (JCS21212)
wrote:
> By killing Susan the writers brought an important issue (the death of someone
> close to the characters) into being and then handled it like Seinfeld
> handles cereal and shoelaces, that is trivially.
I think the above statement is quite a good sumnation of what was wrong
with the finale...I was really offended also.
Never has the show's dire lack of emotional range been so obvious as
during that episode. And considering what a huge role g-u-i-l-t plays in
the comic structuring of the show, it's strange that it was suddenly
thrown out. Very inconsistent....
G.B.
Andrew Shore
I loved that doctor's voice. At first I thought he might be Ken Nordine
(the guy who did the flying Levi's commericals in the 70s), but he'd be a
lot older if he were still alive. He also sounded like the announcer on
Rocky and Bullwinkle.
JCS21212
I think it was the doctor from the episode where the junior mint gets
stuck in the artist who paints triangles.
Robert A Guerriero
theresa anne harte wrote:
>
> On 17 May 1996, Beth Goldstein wrote:
>
> > the season finale was not just bad, it was tasteless and offensive.
> > From being one of the best shows on TV to now being one of the worst
> > shows, I'd just like to know, what happened?
> >
> >Thank you so much for saying that. I am freaking out. I watch the show
> to relax and get my mind off the horrors of the world and then Susan is
> dead and no one cares???????????????? Bad move .
>
writers going for ,just shock value?
Kurtz
I have to admit that the below post made me laugh almost as much as
the season finale did. :)
It's a tv show for cripes sake.
jcs2...@aol.com (JCS21212) wrote:
>going to shock them or force them to deal with emotional issues. By
>killing Susan the writers brought an important issue (the death of someone
>close to the characters) into being and then handled it like Seinfeld
>handles cereal and shoelaces, that is trivially.
>I will close by apologizing for the length and somewhat chaotic nature of
>this post and by saying that the season finale of Seinfeld was the worst
>Seinfeld ever (even though it had Susan). I will never watch the show
>again and I might not even be able to watch repeats. I couldn't never
>have concieved that Seinfeld would have had the negative emotional effect
>on me that it now has but I guess after watching a show for five years,
>one tends to grow attached. Thank you.
>
>Jeremy Scott
>
>"Don't you worry Mr. Simpson, I've argued in front of every judge in this
>state. Often as a lawyer."
>
> Lionel Hutz
******************************************************************
There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didnt
take that as an invitation to walk all over you. - Calvin & Hobbes
Trisha Tavares
My take on the season finale-yes it was a little unrealistic, even for
Seinfeld. No one is that cavalier about death.
But it's tv, relax.
Nobody on the show like Susan,
and neither did I. Good riddance. I do think that it was a cop out,
though. Now George doesn't have to deal with breaking up with her.
They should have made her linger in a coma and play on that pre-nuptial
agreement thing. Maybe George, being the sleaze that he is, would have
wanted to marry her on her deathbed to get some of her money.
Or something like that....
tt
John Wooten
In article <gondola-1905...@ana0001.deltanet.com>, gon...@deltanet.com (Gondola Bob) wrote:
>In article <4nld90$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcs2...@aol.com (JCS21212)
>wrote:
>
>> close to the characters) into being and then handled it like Seinfeld
>> handles cereal and shoelaces, that is trivially.
Important issue? Yeah..sure. This isn't ER, folks. Susan bit the big one to
give George a way out. No big issue there. No one liked her so why should
they have acted any different? It's not like they danced on the grave.
John
Tisserand
Scene opens at Monks table; Jerry and George are talking.
Jerry: I thought she was dead.
George: (Waves hand in air) Nah...it didn't take.
(Pause, laughter.)
Jerry: You know ... (Introduces humorous non-sequitur)
Susan walks into Monks carrying shopping bags.
Susan: Hi guys!
George: (mumbling) hi.
Kramer walks into Monks, sees Susan, engages in shockingly funny reaction,
then a prolonged pratfall that ends when he careens backward into the
street, where he is hit by a wedding envelope truck and instantly killed.
Cut to table, where George, Susan and Jerry just shrug, and start talking
about the amusing non sequitur. Cut to Jerry doing nightclub act. Credits.
JCS21212
The only way to save the show is to kill it. It has outlived it
usefulness and its appeal. The season finale destroyed any shred of
comedic credibilitly that it retained after the two previous seasons of
thoroughly mediocre episodes. Seinfeld managed to save itself this season
by introducing the engagement storyline which gave all the characters
fresh material to work with. Next season couldn't possibly any better
than this season or even the last two. Seinfeld's ratings compare
favorably with other shows only because the other three excellent comedies
on TV (Home Improvement, Frasier, and Friends) are mired in poor time
slots or are against heavy competition. Seinfeld has no competition and
is the only decent show on Thursday nights. The show is done with. Like
Rome in 470, Austria-Hungary in 1917, and the Soviet Union in 1990, it
only appears strong from the outside. It is beset by rot and decadence
within and is finished. I do like your idea for a season premiere but it
won't happen.
JimWr7
i really wasnt offended or surprised by georges reaction to susans death,
but i was surprised that she died..i sat in front of the tv with my mouth
open for five minutes after i heard the doctors news. i definetely think
the writers could have come up with a more inventive way of getting rid of
susan and solving georges problems.
GKline
In article <4nld90$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcs2...@aol.com says...
[..snip..]
>I will never watch the show
>again and I might not even be able to watch repeats. I couldn't never
>have concieved that Seinfeld would have had the negative emotional effect
>on me that it now has but I guess after watching a show for five years,
>one tends to grow attached. Thank you.
>Jeremy Scott
Jeremy, don't you think that might be just a tad extreme? Many of us are
disappointed in how the season finale turned out, so much that we might not
even watch the last season. But the earlier episodes are great! Don't deprive
yourself of watching them, just because the later episodes have been trashy.
-Gary K.
GKline
In article <319f686a...@nntp.lightlink.com>, ku...@lightlink.com says...
>I have to admit that the below post made me laugh almost as much as
>the season finale did. :)
>It's a tv show for cripes sake.
[..snip..]
Just because it's a TV show, doesn't mean we can't criticize it. I agree that
boycotting the show it too extreme, but most of us feel (as far as I can tell)
that the level of disappointment in this episode is worth expressing. If you
don't say anything, then nothing get's done--people don't know your opinion.
-Gary K.
Joe
You know not what you are talking about. There were many great episodes and
many great moments in the last couple of seasons. I will admit there were a
couple of clunkers, such as the bottle deposit, but I still think we are
seeing something great in the making, comparable to the Marx brothers, I
Love Lucy, etc.
JCS21212 (jcs2...@aol.com) wrote:
: The only way to save the show is to kill it. It has outlived it
John O. Haraldson
You know JCS I have to agree with Kurtz on this one. One suggestion
for you though. For the sake of your mental health (such as it is),
NEVER watch "Old Yeller".
In <319f686a...@nntp.lightlink.com> ku...@lightlink.com (Kurtz)
writes:
>
>I have to admit that the below post made me laugh almost as much as
>the season finale did. :)
>
>It's a tv show for cripes sake.
>
>
>>going to shock them or force them to deal with emotional issues. By
>>killing Susan the writers brought an important issue (the death of
someone
>>close to the characters) into being and then handled it like Seinfeld
>>handles cereal and shoelaces, that is trivially.
>>I will close by apologizing for the length and somewhat chaotic
nature of
>>this post and by saying that the season finale of Seinfeld was the
worst
>>Seinfeld ever (even though it had Susan). I will never watch the
show
>>again and I might not even be able to watch repeats. I couldn't
never
>>have concieved that Seinfeld would have had the negative emotional
effect
>>on me that it now has but I guess after watching a show for five
years,
>>one tends to grow attached. Thank you.
>>
>>Jeremy Scott
>>
dne...@forest.drew.edu
In article <sliva.4....@cae.wisc.edu>, sl...@cae.wisc.edu (Tom Sliva) writes:
> Not to overanalyze or anything, but could Kramer have foreshadowed Susan's
> death by calling her Lily, seeing as this is traditionally a flower associated
> with death in many cultures? Any takers?
>
Knowing how clever this show tends to be, I'ld have to agree with you
> Tom
Gary Russel /ADVISOR L. FAUSETT
How I envy those of you with valid opinions about the season finale.
I was out of town and set up the VCR to tape it, but since my wife
was home I didn't use the "good" VCR. I used an older model with
a peculiar tuning mechanism, and apparently it got bumped because
my copy of the finale was fuzzy and in B&W with static on the
soundtrack. I watched it anyway, and I assumed that the envelope
glue just made Susan sick enough so that the wedding date would
be postponed again.
If I remember correctly, none of the secondary supporting cast
(Newman, Uncle Leo, ...) were in the finale. True?
GR
Amanda Mitchell
Jeremy Scott (JCS21212) wrote:
-snip-
<Seinfeld's ratings compare
favorably with other shows only because the other three excellent comedies
on TV (Home Improvement, Frasier, and Friends) are mired in poor time
slots or are against heavy competition. >
Home Improvement??????????? Excellent?????? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Susan is gone, you knew she'd be gone, you're just pouting because she
can't be brought back again. Seinfeld will go on, funny as ever, with or
without her character and your adoration.
For those of you who are so appalled at the way they killed off Susan,
please remember it's only TVland. You can go back to your happy little
lives any time you want.
Cheers!
--
**Amanda Mitchell, Amy, Mandy, Manda, Slinky** http://www.unm.edu/~ammitch/
"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
-- Vice President Dan Quayle to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/89
JCS21212
I don't personally like Home Improvement but the fact is before Frasier
moved it was the #1 show on television. As for the finale, it was
disgusting and tasteless and wasn't funny at all. The show ought to be
cancelled and any person who respects its past episodes ought to stop
watching.
"Kill all the Prussians and we'll have peace."
A Saxon-German Soldier, 1914
Sue Cottingham
Another interesting thing to note:
If all those cheesy things in Hallmark stores are to be believed, Susan means lily (I think it's supposed to come from Hebrew or something).
Sue Cottingham
scot...@remus.rutgers.edu
Shelley Nash
> For those of you who are so appalled at the way they killed off Susan,
> please remember it's only TVland. You can go back to your happy little
> lives any time you want.
I am not appalled at the way they killed off Susan. I just think it was
lame. They could have done so much more in terms of Geroge trying to
get out of the wedding. But instead they chose the easy way out.
Rachel0023
In article <4ni7k6$9...@bcrkh13.bnr.ca>, mvi...@bnr.ca (Mitchell Virchick
P225) writes:
>I'm not insulted at all. What the hell do you want? The Waltons?
Cosby?
>These are self-absorbed people here. They're not saints. When Jerry
said "I
>hate myself", it was the most daring thing I'd seen in a sitcom in years.
>George smoking those cigarettes? Beautiful. I thought the show was
>hysterical, and definitely a classic. Turn about fair play, they call
it,
>when one person gets off the hook, and another gets hooked.
>
>Whoever said the writers didn't think much of Susan had his head up his
>tuchas. They got rid of Mr. Pitt, and I loved him, but supporting cast
>members get written in and out of this show all the time. Susan was
>great--I loved her scornful, belittling attitude toward George, driving
his
>insecurities into a frothy panic. So they dumped her. She's not in the
core
>cast, so whaddaya want?
>
>If you're going to kill off a character in a sitcom, you might as well
make
>it a freak accident. Life is funny that way.
I agree. The total absurdity of Susan's death and the even worse
absurdity of everyone's reaction is what makes Seinfeld so unique. Never
in a million years would you expect a character, even a supporting one, to
*die* on Seinfeld, so that's exactly what happened. The show never ceases
to amaze me with the weird, totally bizaare (sp?) twists they are willing
to incorporate. In my humble opinion, this was one of the best episodes.
The rest of the show was hilarious. My only problem was with the
turnaround at the end. The switch between Jerry's situation and George's
was a little formulaic. But all in all, I thought it was great.
Rachel
tfl...@forest.drew.edu
In article <4no3be$7...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, woot...@osu.edu (John Wooten) writes:
> In article <gondola-1905...@ana0001.deltanet.com>, gon...@deltanet.com (Gondola Bob) wrote:
>>wrote:
>>
>>> By killing Susan the writers brought an important issue (the death of someone
>>> close to the characters) into being and then handled it like Seinfeld
>>> handles cereal and shoelaces, that is trivially.
>
>
> give George a way out. No big issue there. No one liked her so why should
> they have acted any different? It's not like they danced on the grave.
>
>
> John
This is not the first time that the characters have dealt with death. I
know that Susan was a semi-regular character, but what about the episode
with the old woman who had a pony. Jerry's parents made him, or at least
tried to make him feel guilty for making the pony remark. Jerry and
Elaine went to the funeral and Elaine's main reason for going was to try
to get the dead woman's husband's rent controlled apartment. I don't see
much difference on how they reacted in either situation. I think the
characters were showing completely who they are.
` Janine
Rusty Eichblatt
YOU stop watching. Maybe we'll all get lucky and you'll stop posting
your whinnings.
JCS21212 wrote:
>
> I don't personally like Home Improvement but the fact is before Frasier
> moved it was the #1 show on television. As for the finale, it was
> disgusting and tasteless and wasn't funny at all. The show ought to be
> cancelled and any person who respects its past episodes ought to stop
> watching.
Rusty
rus...@aloha.net
http://www.aloha.net/~rustree
==============================
Darwin Teague
In article <31A33F...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>,
I agree. I think it would have been nice if she bumped her head and
got amnesia. That way George would have to worry about her memory
coming back, etc.
Maybe the actress wanted out or was a pain in the neck. Who knows? We
can be pretty sure she won't come back.... unless!
He meets someone that looks JUST like her....
JCS21212
<YOU stop watching. Maybe we'll all get lucky and you'll stop posting
<your whinnings.
I will stop watching, barring a miracle, but its doubtful I'll stop
posting for some time. But thank you for complimentary message.