Elaine Ugly?
JCS21212
Elaine is incredibly unattractive, especially considering her hair. I
would greet the day she was dropped from the show with great joy,
especially if they replace her with Susan.
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after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
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>
>Ugly??? The woman is beautiful. Yeah, she overreacts, but that's part of
>the fun. Her hair???? I'd kill for her hair (and her shoes)
Beauty / eye / beholder, etc.
My wife is a pretty good judge of things, you know. And
when I first told her I thought Elaine was the best looking
woman on TV, she said: "Well, she isn't. But the way she
acts, talks, and carries herself...that's what does it for you.
She's ALIVE. That makes her pretty to you."
See, my wife is really great.
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JCS21212
<the fun. Her hair???? I'd kill for her hair (and her shoes'
Vomit colored hair is not particularly appealing and certainly not worth a
homicide. She also a certain indefinable repugnance that makes her very
unattactive.
Mindcrimer
writes:
>Vomit colored hair is not particularly appealing and certainly not worth
a
>homicide.
Since when is vomit black? Moron.
HighFlag
>Vomit colored hair is not particularly appealing and certainly not worth
a
>homicide.
How fortunate for JDL that the folks at Clairol( I hope that's the
right brand) don't see it that way...But, what do they know about hair
color?
> She also a certain indefinable repugnance that makes her very
>unattactive.
Did you say "indefinable"??? I think I could dig up one or two
instances where you went to great lengths to "define" what you find
repugnant.
Elaine's looks are both attractive, and interesting...Susan is boring
in every way.
HF
"Just keep thinkin" Butch.That's what yer good at!"
-Sundance Kid
Mindcrimer
writes:
>Elaine is incredibly unattractive, especially considering her hair. I
>would greet the day she was dropped from the show with great joy,
>especially if they replace her with Susan.
What? Are you blind?
SEINFELDIN
Mindcrimer
writes:
> Elaine's looks are both attractive, and interesting...Susan is boring
>in every way.
Yeah, Susan is pretty plain. Why is this guy arguing about this anyway,
why must there be a Susan/Elaine war? Nothing better to do than to
compare two characters?
Jeffrey Aaron
> <Ugly??? The woman is beautiful. Yeah, she overreacts, but that's part of
> <the fun. Her hair???? I'd kill for her hair (and her shoes'
> Vomit colored hair is not particularly appealing and certainly not worth a
> homicide. She also a certain indefinable repugnance that makes her very
> unattactive.
Vomit coloured hair? Who are you talking about? Elaine has BLACK hair.
If anyone's hair is vomit-coloured, it's Susan! As I've already stated,
I think Susan was quite attractive back in the days when she was a smart,
well-dressed, distinguished NBC executive, and I find Elaine quite
attractive also, especially in the recent seasons.
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> Why must Elaine's shoes always be a topic of conversation
They're boddochellies (sp?)
JCS21212
why must there be a Susan/Elaine war? Nothing better to do than to
compare two characters?>
No, I don't have anything better than do, otherwise I would be doing it
don't you think. Susan is far from plain and much more attractive than
Elaine, who isn't attractive at all.
JCS21212
I've been wondering the same thing about all of you. Given the great
amount of visual evidence that we have to go on and given the fact that
Elaine's appeal has slid steadily downward (more so in the personality
department but she looks worse as well), I can't help but wonder if we are
watching the same show.
JCS21212
<instances where you went to great lengths to "define" what you find
<repugnant.
< Elaine's looks are both attractive, and interesting...Susan is
boring
<in every way.
I mostly have criticized Elaine's personality, dress and hair and have
gone to great lengths to define what I dislike about them but I find the
other aspects of her appearance (face, so on and so forth) also
unappealing I suppose just for personal reasons. I will say that Susan is
not boring and Elaine is very much repugnant. I have stated why the
character of Elaine is so unappealing and cited many examples of her
malice, cruelty, and wickedness and yet still people claim to like her.
She is not much of villain (like Newman) so I don't see how she picks up
fan in this department, she's just mean. The Elaine character has gone
from a decent, pleasant character to one of the biggest jerks on T.V. And
yet still, Seinfeld fans love her. I don't understand why, unless you
think she is funny. I will continue to state that Susan has no negative
qualities and thus disliking her for any reason is nearly impossible.
JCS21212
I had not noticed that it was solid black this season rather than the
very dark pukish orange color of the past two seasons. I don't pay much
attention to her anymore and I totally missed this. I do, however, recall
the days when her hair was a very pleasant brown and thus this makes her
current situation all the more unappealing. Sorry.
Mindcrimer
writes:
>I will openly apologize to Elaine fans for calling her hair vomit
colored.
> I had not noticed that it was solid black this season rather than the
>very dark pukish orange color of the past two seasons.
Her hair was not orange.
JCS21212
traits are crucial, as I briefly explained in my last post. And
I might add, you use very strong language in describing her evilness.
You go SO far that, to me, it makes you slightly less credible, as if you
held a vendetta against her. She's not THAT bad.>
I don't have any vendetta against Elaine and yes, she is that evil. There
is not an episode in the last two to three seasons where she is not
deliberately insulting, arrogant, rude, and cruel to another character on
the show. Newman may be sort of the same way, but at least he talks to
people in a civil manner. Elaine doesn't even do that. Furthermore
Elaine is incredibly insincere (note the second and third episodes this
season where she tells the Rabbi her feelings about George and then tells
George totally different things) and incredibly arrogant. She refers to
George as a loser constantly, she purposefully hurts other characters
(recently in the episode with Ramone the poolguy) and she doesn't do
anything pleasant anymore. Elaine is as bad as I describe and there is
too much evidence to back it up to cite here. Incidentally, a lack of
negative qualities does indeed make a positive quality. Furthermore,
Susan has many positive qualities as well. Finally, Elaine is not as
funny as Jerry, George, or Kramer and therefore her pathetic attempts at
comedy don't make up for her general unpleasantness. You people really
astound me in your praise of one of the cruelest non-villains on
television.
"You've tried the best, now try the rest."
Dr. Nick
just della
>On 3 Jan 1996, JCS21212 wrote:
>
>> <Ugly??? The woman is beautiful. Yeah, she overreacts, but that's part of
>> <the fun. Her hair???? I'd kill for her hair (and her shoes'
>> Vomit colored hair is not particularly appealing and certainly not worth a
>> homicide. She also a certain indefinable repugnance that makes her very
>> unattactive.
>
>Vomit coloured hair? Who are you talking about? Elaine has BLACK hair.
>If anyone's hair is vomit-coloured, it's Susan!
the thing about susan's hair is that you can see
the actual shape of her skull. i don't particularly
enjoy looking at susan's skull.
> As I've already stated,
>I think Susan was quite attractive back in the days when she was a smart,
>well-dressed, distinguished NBC executive, and I find Elaine quite
>attractive also, especially in the recent seasons.
>
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Mindcrimer
writes:
>I've been wondering the same thing about all of you. Given the great
>amount of visual evidence that we have to go on and given the fact that
>Elaine's appeal has slid steadily downward (more so in the personality
>department but she looks worse as well), I can't help but wonder if we
are
>watching the same show.
>
>
Elaine is better looking than Susan. Susan is pretty, but Elaine is sexy.
dne...@forest.drew.edu
In article <Pine.BSD/.3.91.9601031214...@bronze.interlog.com>, Jeffrey Aaron <jma...@bronze.interlog.com> writes:
They are both cute! That is to me they're both cute...
> On 3 Jan 1996, JCS21212 wrote:
>
>> <Ugly??? The woman is beautiful. Yeah, she overreacts, but that's part of
>> <the fun. Her hair???? I'd kill for her hair (and her shoes'
>> Vomit colored hair is not particularly appealing and certainly not worth a
>> homicide. She also a certain indefinable repugnance that makes her very
>> unattactive.
>
> Vomit coloured hair? Who are you talking about? Elaine has BLACK hair.
> If anyone's hair is vomit-coloured, it's Susan! As I've already stated,
JCS21212
What is it you don't like about her hair? That it's curly? I know plenty
of women who would kill for those curls. That she's a brunette? As a
blonde, I think that JLD is quite attractive, and I _love_ the way
she dresses, especially her shoes!>
As has been pointed out to me, Elaine's hair is black (a very dark and
very fake black, I must say) not the brunette that it was once upon a
time. I dislike both the style and color of her hair and it really
detracts from her appearance. Her dress is also appalling but I don't
know anything about her shoes. I haven't really ever noticed them (except
that one episode where the chef wanted them to distract Russell).
bc...@po-box.mcgill.ca
> Ugly??? The woman is beautiful. Yeah, she overreacts, but that's part of
>
>
>>>>
I couldn't agree more. I don't know how people can find her ugly.
It really mistifies me. May be it's the fact that some people like a
woman that is conservative and others (like me) like a woman
that can let her hair down!
Paul Wadehra
In article <4cfkvg$d...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcs2...@aol.com (JCS21212) writes:
> < Did you say "indefinable"??? I think I could dig up one or two
> <instances where you went to great lengths to "define" what you find
> <repugnant.
>
> < Elaine's looks are both attractive, and interesting...Susan is
> boring
> <in every way.
>
> I mostly have criticized Elaine's personality, dress and hair and have
> gone to great lengths to define what I dislike about them but I find the
> other aspects of her appearance (face, so on and so forth) also
> unappealing I suppose just for personal reasons. I will say that Susan is
> not boring and Elaine is very much repugnant. I have stated why the
> character of Elaine is so unappealing and cited many examples of her
> malice, cruelty, and wickedness and yet still people claim to like her.
Elaine's negative personality traits provide great humor. Those
traits are crucial, as I briefly explained in my last post. And
I might add, you use very strong language in describing her evilness.
You go SO far that, to me, it makes you slightly less credible, as if you
held a vendetta against her. She's not THAT bad.
> She is not much of villain (like Newman) so I don't see how she picks up
> fan in this department, she's just mean. The Elaine character has gone
> from a decent, pleasant character to one of the biggest jerks on T.V. And
> yet still, Seinfeld fans love her. I don't understand why, unless you
> think she is funny.
Bingo. Hello, the reason I watch the whole show is because I think
it's funny. What else would I like about her? This isn't Doctor
Quinn, Medicine Woman we're talking about here.
> I will continue to state that Susan has no negative
> qualities and thus disliking her for any reason is nearly impossible.
>
And I say that a lack of negative qualities does not a positive
quality make.
Susan exists so there can be interesting situations --
the "sit" of the "com". I explained this, using your own examples,
over the Christmas break. If you were gone on vacation you may not
have read it.
Paul
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>Elaine is incredibly unattractive, especially considering her hair.
If her hair is so unattractive then why does JLD do Clairol commercials?
What is it you don't like about her hair? That it's curly? I know plenty
of women who would kill for those curls. That she's a brunette? As a
blonde, I think that JLD is quite attractive, and I _love_ the way
she dresses, especially her shoes!
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courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
JCS21212
It was indeed a very dark orange or red not very long ago. This time, I
am sure I'm right.
call...@gnn.com
JCS21212 (who else could it have been?) wrote:
>>Her hair was not orange.
>
>It was indeed a very dark orange or red not very long ago. This time, I
>am sure I'm right.
Her hair was red when she played a role on "The Single Worst Show, uh, er,
The Single Guy" yeah that's the show. She was 'danger-woman' on that
episode, and she had an ugly red coloring to her hair. I don't recall her
hair ever changing color on Seinfeld.
Paul Wadehra
In article <4chuc3$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcs2...@aol.com (JCS21212) writes:
> <Elaine's negative personality traits provide great humor. Those
> traits are crucial, as I briefly explained in my last post. And
> I might add, you use very strong language in describing her evilness.
> You go SO far that, to me, it makes you slightly less credible, as if you
> held a vendetta against her. She's not THAT bad.>
>
>
> is not an episode in the last two to three seasons where she is not
> deliberately insulting, arrogant, rude, and cruel to another character on
> the show. Newman may be sort of the same way, but at least he talks to
> people in a civil manner. Elaine doesn't even do that. Furthermore
> Elaine is incredibly insincere (note the second and third episodes this
> season where she tells the Rabbi her feelings about George and then tells
> George totally different things) and incredibly arrogant. She refers to
> George as a loser constantly, she purposefully hurts other characters
> (recently in the episode with Ramone the poolguy) and she doesn't do
> anything pleasant anymore. Elaine is as bad as I describe and there is
> too much evidence to back it up to cite here.
I disagree. But I can quickly see that an argument here is useless.
> Incidentally, a lack of
> negative qualities does indeed make a positive quality.
How can you say that?! You can like, nay, ADORE someone simply because
you can't find anything irritating about them? What do you LIKE about her?
> Furthermore, Susan has many positive qualities as well.
You said this before. I asked you to list them. No list. And
I'm not about a list of qualities you'd like to see in a friend,
I'm talking about a list of qualities you'd like to see in a sitcom
character.
> Finally, Elaine is not as
> funny as Jerry, George, or Kramer and therefore her pathetic attempts at
> comedy don't make up for her general unpleasantness.
More of the useless argument.
> You people really
> astound me in your praise of one of the cruelest non-villains on
> television.
Who are you calling "you people"? YOU really astound ME in your
taste for sitcom characters. A character who is only around for
plot points has become your raison d'etre for watching the show.
Paul
P.S. Thank you for changing your .sig
>
> "You've tried the best, now try the rest."
> Dr. Nick
INGRAFFIA EDMOND J
JCS21212 <jcs2...@aol.com> wrote:
>><Yeah, Susan is pretty plain. Why is this guy arguing about this anyway,
>>why must there be a Susan/Elaine war? Nothing better to do than to
>>compare two characters?>
>
>No, I don't have anything better than do, otherwise I would be doing it
>don't you think. Susan is far from plain and much more attractive than
>Elaine, who isn't attractive at all.
This is completely ridiculous...both the argument AND JCS's position.
Susan is definitely on the plain side, while Elaine is quite striking. Sure,
there are things about Elaine that are unattractive (e.g., her neuroticism,
the way she chews gum,...), but she is very pretty from a solely physical
standpoint.
I only wish that *I* could be spongeworthy....:)
YANGETY!!
INGRAFFIA EDMOND J
JCS21212 <jcs2...@aol.com> wrote:
>She is not much of villain (like Newman) so I don't see how she picks up
>fan in this department, she's just mean. The Elaine character has gone
>from a decent, pleasant character to one of the biggest jerks on T.V. And
>yet still, Seinfeld fans love her. I don't understand why, unless you
>think she is funny. I will continue to state that Susan has no negative
>qualities and thus disliking her for any reason is nearly impossible.
Elaine was always off-kilter, even in early episodes...her latest "attitude
adjustment" was explained rather well in the first 2 episodes this season,
where she feels her life is pretty weak and she's gotta change things.
(Jerry and George say the same thing, and that's how Georgie-boy ends up
getting hitched to Susan...remember??) Most single folks who've reached
a similar crisis in their 30's can identify with her new "control" attitude.
Susan has A LOT of negative qualities....#1 -- she's stupid enough to
actually want to marry George. That in itself should be reason enough to
think poorly of Susan. But also, she does that "Shmoopie, woopie" baby talk
crap that really bugs George (and me...I *hate* that shit!). Plus, she
decided that Jerry, Elaine, etc. were lame folks to hang around with.
Hey, they like to hang out, go see movies, see jazz music, chow at the
coffee shop...as Kramer said in the first episode this fall:
"So you think there's more to life than this? Well let me tell you something
-- there isn't! What are you thinking, Jerry -- Marriage? A family?
They're prisons, Jerry!!!"
Yeah...they could go hang-gliding or climb mountains....but they're in NYC!
Also, Susan is VERY bland compared to other women George has dated on the
show.
My $.02....
YANGETY!!!
JCS21212
er,
The Single Guy" yeah that's the show. She was 'danger-woman' on that
episode, and she had an ugly red coloring to her hair. I don't recall her
hair ever changing color on Seinfeld.>
Then you haven't watched but a couple of seasons of Seinfeld. Elaine
began the show with light brown hair. And I'll tell you what, she does
have orange highlights even now. Her hair is mostly black, but if you
look closely, its not totally black but rather black in parts and orange
in other ones. And it looks absolutely hideous.
JCS21212
taste for sitcom characters. A character who is only around for
plot points has become your raison d'etre for watching the show.
Paul
P.S. Thank you for changing your .sig>
You people refers to the Pro-Elaine faction. I listed Susan's good points
under a different subject, you should be seeing it soon (like now). A
plate with no cracks is a good plate, and a character with no flaws is a
good character. I will say in response to everything else that you are
evading the issue. If you think that Elaine's "humor" outweighs her
unpleasantness then I would like to know why you think so? If you think
her humor is her unpleasantness, then I am very curious to hear your
reasons. No one has answered this. The posts on Elaine just say she is
funny. Not why.
Incidentally, I'll try and change my signature on a semi-weekly basis if I
can remember.
JCS21212
My $.02....
YANGETY!!!
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quoted*************************
I wouldn't pay two cents for your cents. George is a high ranking
executive with the New York Yankees, is concerned about the well being of
others, and has a geniune sense of civility. There is nothing wrong with
marrying him and this certainly isn't a bad point. Susan is only bland
compared to George's other girlfriends because his other girlfriends are
all psycopaths, strange, or hideous. Furthermore, it is a good thing that
Susan doesn't hang around with Elaine (so sane person would) and Jerry
does talk during movies. No one like people that do that. Afterall
you've paid ten dollars for a ticket to see the actors, not hear some jerk
mouthing off. As for Susan's other "bad" points, she doesn't have any. I
thought her line at the end of Two Worlds Collide was a classic and she
definetly made the right choice.
JCS21212
Jerry: Ramon, this is my friend Elaine...
Elaine: Yeah and I was just leaving.....................goodbye Jerry.>
Jerry specifically asks Elaine if she will stay when Ramone comes up and
Elaine responds in the affirmative. Then, when he arrives, she leaves.
It wasn't Ramone she hurt but Jerry. She was deliberately mean and cruel
and purposefully lied for the purpose of hurting Jerry.
Mindcrimer
> she purposefully hurts other characters
>(recently in the episode with Ramone the poolguy) and she doesn't do
>anything pleasant anymore.
How did she hurt Ramon? All she did was leave.
Jeffrey Aaron
> >>Her hair was not orange.
> >It was indeed a very dark orange or red not very long ago. This time, I
> >am sure I'm right.
> Her hair was red when she played a role on "The Single Worst Show, uh, er,
> The Single Guy" yeah that's the show. She was 'danger-woman' on that
> episode, and she had an ugly red coloring to her hair. I don't recall her
> hair ever changing color on Seinfeld.
After JCS pointed it out, I did indeed notice that in the older episodes,
Elaine's hair is a lighter colour than black. Something like brown.
Watch any re-run and you'll see.
Whitney Pape
> George is a high ranking
> executive with the New York Yankees, is concerned about the well being of
> others, and has a geniune sense of civility.
Sorry to add to this preposterous thread, but...
What show have you been watching for the past five years or so? George
civil? Having concern about the well-being of others?
Mindcrimer
writes:
>I wouldn't pay two cents for your cents. George is a high ranking
>executive with the New York Yankees, is concerned about the well being of
>others, and has a geniune sense of civility. There is nothing wrong with
>marrying him and this certainly isn't a bad point. Susan is only bland
>compared to George's other girlfriends because his other girlfriends are
>all psycopaths, strange, or hideous. Furthermore, it is a good thing
that
>Susan doesn't hang around with Elaine (so sane person would) and Jerry
>does talk during movies. No one like people that do that. Afterall
>you've paid ten dollars for a ticket to see the actors, not hear some
jerk
>mouthing off. As for Susan's other "bad" points, she doesn't have any.
I
>thought her line at the end of Two Worlds Collide was a classic and she
>definetly made the right choice.
Can we drop this Susan thing already? It's getting anal. She's just a
character. I can see defending a person that someone is close to or cares
about in real life, but a character??? Come on.
Paul Wadehra
In article <4ckelo$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcs2...@aol.com (JCS21212) writes:
>
> George is a high ranking
> executive with the New York Yankees, is concerned about the well being of
> others, and has a geniune sense of civility.
George is neurotic, selfish, and weak. Why anyone as apparently normal
as Susan would want to marry him is where you have to "temporarily
suspend your disbelief". But the above sentence is going a little far.
> There is nothing wrong with
> marrying him and this certainly isn't a bad point. Susan is only bland
> compared to George's other girlfriends because his other girlfriends are
> all psycopaths, strange, or hideous.
Another reason why it's so surprising that he would land Susan.
> Furthermore, it is a good thing that
> Susan doesn't hang around with Elaine (so sane person would) and Jerry
> does talk during movies. No one like people that do that. Afterall
> you've paid ten dollars for a ticket to see the actors, not hear some jerk
> mouthing off.
This is the second time you've mentioned "talking during movies" as a
serious turn-off. That's true if you're really at a movie, but if
you're watching a sit-com it makes it really hard to know what the
characters are thinking if you force the audience to try and read
their minds.
> As for Susan's other "bad" points, she doesn't have any. I
> thought her line at the end of Two Worlds Collide was a classic and she
> definetly made the right choice.
>
>
> "You've tried the best, now try the rest."
> Dr. Nick
Paul Wadehra
In article <4ckelm$6...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcs2...@aol.com (JCS21212) writes:
>
> You people refers to the Pro-Elaine faction. I listed Susan's good points
I haven't noticed a "Pro-Elaine faction". There are people who think
Elaine is as funny as the other main characters, and that Susan is
not too funny. That's as close as anything I've seen to a Pro-Elaine
faction.
> under a different subject, you should be seeing it soon (like now). A
> plate with no cracks is a good plate, and a character with no flaws is a
> good character.
A plate with no cracks in it can be made of paper or it can be made
of gold. A character with no flaws in it can be a supporting
character or it can be the star of the show. The lack of flaws
does not imply greatness. Especially on a show where "flaws" actually
contribute in a positive way (previous posts).
> I will say in response to everything else that you are
> evading the issue. If you think that Elaine's "humor" outweighs her
> unpleasantness then I would like to know why you think so? If you think
> her humor is her unpleasantness, then I am very curious to hear your
> reasons. No one has answered this. The posts on Elaine just say she is
> funny. Not why.
>
Her humour outweighs her unpleasantness simply because her humor is
very much and her unpleasantness is very little.
1. The entertainment I get from watching Elaine is from the
way she interacts with the other main characters. I find the
back-and-forth between all four of them highly entertaining, Elaine
included. She's not my favorite character on the show; I pretty much
like all four of them about the same. But Elaine adds to the show, IMO,
simply because four quirky, funny characters are better than three.
2. I don't find her as horrifying as you do. Her faults, while
easily recognizable, don't distract me.
3. And yes, sometimes, her unpleasantness actually adds to the humor
value. I mentioned the sponge episode, which was dependent on Elaine's
selfishness. Her selfishness didn't BOTHER me though, any more than
it bothered me in Die Hard when someone got shot.
Paul
Glenn Weinstein
> <This is the second time you've mentioned "talking during movies" as a
> serious turn-off. That's true if you're really at a movie, but if
>
> I didn't say it wasn't funny or it wasn't necassary, I said it was bad.
> The same way murders on TV are bad, but without them cop shows and movies
> would be boring. It was simply a bad quality of Jerry and Elaine showing
Not sure I agree here... it's unfair to judge them poorly because they
talked at the movie, since that was a necessary evil of being a TV show
(the audience can't read their minds). Otherwise you'd have to criticize
all of them for talking too damn loud in a public restaurant!
...GW
Fred Ochs
: JCS21212 (jcs2...@aol.com) wrote:
: > George is a high ranking
: > executive with the New York Yankees, is concerned about the well being of
: > others, and has a geniune sense of civility.
: Sorry to add to this preposterous thread, but...
: What show have you been watching for the past five years or so? George
: civil? Having concern about the well-being of others?
Sure, don't you remember the episode where he was concerned that the Security
guard had to stand all day long? He was concerned about him being uncomfortable
so he buys him a rocking chair. Of course, the guy gets so comfy that he falls
asleep and the store gets robbed... ;^)
Fred
TWright816
claims she's rude and insensitive and so on. I have such news for you.
First of all, television is supposed to be based a little on real life and
in real life people aren't always caring and friendly. You're about to
find out why I like Elaine is because I'm a lot like her. I don't care
what in the hell you think, it's a damn comedy so laugh a little okay.
She's evil because its funny and if you're too damn sensitive for it then
grow up and get a back bone. I can't stand stupid people like you that
probably never get out of the house anyway. People like you scare me, I
can see why television and movie stars need body guard is because of
psychos like you!!!!
Iceman
Mi> Elaine is better looking than Susan. Susan is pretty, but Elaine is
Mi> sexy.
Susan is not even pretty!!! Please!!!
... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free.
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HighFlag
>I will thank you for admitting she is evil, something
>your comrades have failed to do.
This is no comrade of mine, and Elaine is not evil.As I've stated in
previous posts,she is very much like the rest of us.Some good, some less
than good, but nowhere near approaching "evil" and no matter how many
times you state it, it doesn't make it so...
HF
"Just keep thinkin" Butch.That's what yer good at!"
-Sundance Kid
Ned Canepa
Ic> From: ice...@ffbbs.com (Iceman)
Ic> Subject: Re: Elaine Ugly?
Mi>
Mi> Elaine is better looking than Susan. Susan is pretty, but Elaine is
Mi> sexy.
Ic>
Ic> Susan is not even pretty!!! Please!!!
Ic>
Ic> Eric.S...@ffbbs.com
I would have to say that neither of them is ugly.
They are both pretty in their own ways.
... ...I don't know how you guys walk around with those things!!....Elaine
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Lori Crider
jcs2...@aol.com (JCS21212) writes:
><You don't like anyone dissing Susan so shut the hell up about Elaine.
>
>As I have stated before there is no reason to deride Susan: she has no
>visible faults. However, there are many reasons to point out Elaine's
>failings. She provides us with new ones everytime she comes on the show.
>She is cruel and arrogant and her character has the worst personality on
>the show (at least among the recurring ones). I have picked a perfect
>character to defend, and thus can rightly refute arguments against her,
>you and your's have picked deeply disturbed and evil one and must accept
>that she will be criticized.
>
>
>
>"You've tried the best, now try the rest."
> Dr. Nick
k it would do you good. I know it would make me a very happy person.