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Man, T.J. Hooker is a terrible, terrible show.

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Justin Pate

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Jun 8, 2005, 4:46:19 AM6/8/05
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I'm watching it on A&E right now. Corny writing, full of corny lines like
Adrian Zmed saying "Cops don't deal always in black and white; sometimes
it's just shades of gray" and William Shatner was going on long-winded
speeches about how drug dealers are scum, and after T.J. Hooker finishes the
speech, Zmed puts his hand on his forehead as if to say "Man, I've got a
headache after hearing all of that". Plus one of the drug dealers was named
Kenny and when some people were out to kill Kenny his woman was screaming
"Help! They're going to kill Kenny!" And they did. It reminded me of
South Park, obviously. Obviously they weren't aiming for realism when T.J.
Hooker was created. It just seems all so corny now. There's nothing
better than watching good bad TV.


Trevor Stenson

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Jun 8, 2005, 8:14:04 AM6/8/05
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In article <vfype.45436$6g3....@tornado.texas.rr.com>,
"Justin Pate" <JP5...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello J.P.,

Not for everyone apparently. I wonder if anyone else out there
remembers a skit on the old Letterman show called "So they cancelled
your show". It was based on the old after-school specials and was about
the cancellation of TJ hooker.

If you can dig it up it is also in the book "Late Night with David
Letterman: the Book" Villard Books, 1985.

Quite hilarious.

TS

mpoco...@aol.com

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Jun 8, 2005, 10:25:00 PM6/8/05
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I caught an episode of TJ Hooker a month or so ago; the Special Guest
Star was Leonard Nimoy as a cop whose daughter was raped. TJ Hooker
was one of those shows (like Blossom or Growing Pains or Quincy) where
every episode was a "very special" episode which had a message about
drugs or teen suicide or rape or domestic violence.

My favorite William Shatner story concerns an incident about ten years
ago when he was driving and accidently ran over a skunk. He called 911
and identified himself as "William Shatner, host of Rescue 911" and
asked for assistance on how to handle the situation.

Jeff Lodoen

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Jun 9, 2005, 1:52:45 AM6/9/05
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Trevor Stenson <kit...@shaw.ca> wrote in
news:kitschy-951460.06140408062005@shawnews:

> In article <vfype.45436$6g3....@tornado.texas.rr.com>,
> "Justin Pate" <JP5...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm watching it on A&E right now. Corny writing, full of corny lines
>> like Adrian Zmed saying "Cops don't deal always in black and white;
>> sometimes it's just shades of gray" and William Shatner was going on
>> long-winded speeches about how drug dealers are scum, and after T.J.
>> Hooker finishes the speech, Zmed puts his hand on his forehead as if
>> to say "Man, I've got a headache after hearing all of that". Plus
>> one of the drug dealers was named Kenny and when some people were out
>> to kill Kenny his woman was screaming "Help! They're going to kill
>> Kenny!" And they did. It reminded me of South Park, obviously.
>> Obviously they weren't aiming for realism when T.J. Hooker was
>> created. It just seems all so corny now. There's nothing better
>> than watching good bad TV.
>
> Hello J.P.,
>
> Not for everyone apparently. I wonder if anyone else out there
> remembers a skit on the old Letterman show called "So they cancelled
> your show". It was based on the old after-school specials and was
> about the cancellation of TJ hooker.

I thought it was "Voyagers"... pretty sure.

> If you can dig it up it is also in the book "Late Night with David
> Letterman: the Book" Villard Books, 1985.

Yeah I have that book... TJ Hooker ran until May 1986.

Trevor Stenson

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Jun 9, 2005, 7:37:59 AM6/9/05
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>
> I thought it was "Voyagers"... pretty sure.
>
> > If you can dig it up it is also in the book "Late Night with David
> > Letterman: the Book" Villard Books, 1985.
>
> Yeah I have that book... TJ Hooker ran until May 1986.

Yes, you are right my memory fails me.

The actually title is "They took my show away (an Afterschool Special)",
and is about the cancellation of 'Voyagers'. And although Letterman I
think would make T.J Hooker jokes quite often it is The Fall Guy not TJ
Hooker he invokes to comfort little Jimmy:

"I remember when they cancelled the 'Six Million Dollar Man'. Boy! I
thought my world was gonna end. But the 'The Fall Guy' premiered and my
prayers were answered".

I should have reached over and double checked. 8 feet isn't a lot on a
chair with casters. Man I'm getting lazy. No if I could turn into a
gazelle like Manimal, well then again I did pick up the book to check
the publication date, but didn't open it to check the reference.

Anyway, at least it was in the same general time frame and one of many
lame shows.

Sorry for my laziness.

Cheers,

Trev

Trevor Stenson

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Jun 9, 2005, 8:08:13 AM6/9/05
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In article <1118283900.7...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"mpoco...@aol.com" <mpoco...@aol.com> wrote:

Maybe people should be concerned about Shatners' original claim to fame:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/05/PKGJNCEOVA1.D
TL


PM and I had this exchange over it, and I hope he doesn't mind me
including a tiny bit of his correspondence:


Well, there was that one episode where they visited a planet with only
pubescent pre-teens. For my liking Kirk got a little too cosy with the
one
girl who was "becoming a woman".


>>>>On Jun 6, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Trevor wrote:
Oh yes, one of my favorite episodes. Though I swear I'm not a trekkie!

But the thing is that Captain Kirk resists the temptation. Everybody
has the aging disease. So you can read into that what you will into the
larger context of these threads. Something for the Freudians.

But anyway, Kirk resists (just like in"American Beauty")

But to add to the theme, and also one of my favorite Trek lines. Kirk
in the Dramatic Climax hears the kids shout:

"'Bonk-Bonk'!!!! 'Bonk-Bonk'!!!!"

and Kirk responds in his finest Moment: "NO, ... NO 'Bonk-Bonk'!!!"

In the end there was no 'Bonk-Bonk'

This fulfills the prime directive for the Federation, but thankfully
disavows the primary objective for all males.

Cheers,

Trev

Jeff Lodoen

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Jun 10, 2005, 1:03:40 AM6/10/05
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Trevor Stenson <kit...@shaw.ca> wrote in news:kitschy-
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> Yes, you are right my memory fails me.

I wish mine did... Voyagers sucked rocks!

George Hiebert

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Jun 12, 2005, 12:15:46 PM6/12/05
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"Justin Pate" <JP5...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What the hell are you talking about, HOOKER'S A GOOD COP!!!!

But seriously, I often stay up to watch Hooker for the laughs, and I do
indeed laugh hard, especially when Shatner chases a crook on foot and
catches him with a diving tackle. And amazingly his supernatural hairpiece
stays in place.
You must of course keep one fact in mind, William Shatner is more than an
actor, he's a way of life. Join the fold, let Shatner be your guide.


Justin Pate

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Jun 12, 2005, 12:22:27 PM6/12/05
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"George Hiebert" <ge...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> But seriously, I often stay up to watch Hooker for the laughs, and I do
> indeed laugh hard, especially when Shatner chases a crook on foot and
> catches him with a diving tackle. And amazingly his supernatural hairpiece
> stays in place.

It's hilarious. He doesn't run that fast, yet somehow he's able to catch
up to a criminal half his age and tackle him.


Count Floyd

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Jun 12, 2005, 12:26:44 PM6/12/05
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You think that's good, watch William Conrad, "Cannon" chase someone and
actually catch him!

Justin Pate

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Jun 12, 2005, 12:29:08 PM6/12/05
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"Count Floyd" <sct...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I wish I could see "Cannon". I've read that when Cannon couldn't catch up
with the criminal, he'd just shoot them.


DON3k

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Jun 13, 2005, 10:15:21 AM6/13/05
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"Justin Pate" <JP5...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> "Count Floyd" <sct...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:keKdncNmlMz...@adelphia.com...
>> >

>> You think that's good, watch William Conrad, "Cannon" chase someone
>> and actually catch him!
>
> I wish I could see "Cannon". I've read that when Cannon couldn't
> catch up with the criminal, he'd just shoot them.

Yes, he carried a gun in a leg holster, near his foot. He would kneel
down and take the sub-nose out and pop the guy!

Seriously, Cannon shot people. Not often, but he did. Unlike Mannix,
where everyone who carried a gun around just to hit people over the head.
They might as well have just carried hammers!

TV Land, a few years back, had two great commercials for Cannon. The
announcer for TV Land would be laughing while they showed "action" scenes
from Cannon! Him breaking thru doors, shooting people, falling down. The
other Cannon commercial they had just focused on him eating and ordering
food. I wondered if they received flak about it, because they went away
pretty quick.

Their Mannix commercial was pretty funny, because it just showed people
hitting people with the butt of their pistols, and Mannix's secretary
reminding him not to get hit over the head as he left his office.

Great stuff. I'm a big Cannon fan. I wish it were in re-run. The theme
was great, and that huge man tooling around in that mid-70's Lincoln Mark
IV and using his car-phone. Mannix was a Chrysler man, driving his
Barracuda and Chargers.

The Lincoln Mark IV - Perfect for off-road excitement!

http://mhcity.dns2go.com/021105/images/021105-22.jpg


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Trevor Stenson

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Jun 13, 2005, 5:39:31 PM6/13/05
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>
> Their Mannix commercial was pretty funny, because it just showed people
> hitting people with the butt of their pistols, and Mannix's secretary
> reminding him not to get hit over the head as he left his office.
>
>


I seem to remember Mannix being the king of the car hood rollover. It
was a move where he rolled over the car with his gun extended with both
hands (he didn't fire). This way he could save time by not going around
the car, but didn't step on or jump over the car which would have caused
him to loose his "sights" on the bad guy (even though he didn't fire).
I think a variant of this was featured in the Beastie Boys video for
Sabotage.


Growing up as a kid this became a popular play move: "The mannix" where
we would imitate the hood rollover. You could do this on top of your
sibling and then it became similar to the "Steam-roller" featured in the
Strange Brew Movie with Bob and Doug (just to get in a little on topic).

ahh, Memories of bad TV. They keep insisting that Todays shows are
ruining the intellect of children, but I'm pretty sure shows in the 70s
were more insipid and/or inane, but they kept us entertained, and away
from healthy outdoor activities. And of course are great fun to watch
in rerun!

Cheers,

Trev

biohazard

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Jun 13, 2005, 9:05:33 PM6/13/05
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I remember an MST3K-style wisecrack I used to use as a kid during the
opening credits of Mannix reruns. When the "X" appeared on Joe's
forehead, I would yell (in my best Steve Railsback impression) "I X'ed
myself out of your world!" Used to annoy my mom...

(Note to Joe: when running away from a car on a bridge, get off to one
side and behind the guardrail.)


bio...@mindspring.com

George Hiebert

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Jun 13, 2005, 10:03:09 PM6/13/05
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"DON3k" <DO...@Bigfoot.com> wrote

> Great stuff. I'm a big Cannon fan. I wish it were in re-run. The theme
> was great, and that huge man tooling around in that mid-70's Lincoln Mark
> IV and using his car-phone. Mannix was a Chrysler man, driving his
> Barracuda and Chargers.

I loved all those Quinn Martin shows, they always seemed to have a great
theme song. As I recall, Barnaby Jones theme song kinda rocked too.


DON3k

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Jun 14, 2005, 9:20:38 AM6/14/05
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"George Hiebert" <ge...@shaw.ca> wrote in
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>
> I loved all those Quinn Martin shows, they always seemed to have a
> great theme song. As I recall, Barnaby Jones theme song kinda rocked
> too.

Yes, it did. All the QM's had a very in-your-face, punchy theme. I
watched that one, too. Car-wise, however, he drove a plane-jane Ford
Sh*t-box, I think like a Mid-70's LTD. Did every detective back then have
a car phone?

http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B31171.jpg

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mt

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Jun 18, 2005, 7:04:12 AM6/18/05
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In article <Xns9670E06EC6B08...@216.196.97.131>,
Jeff Lodoen <jmlo...@thegrid.net> wrote:

fuk u voyagers was the greatest! I laugh my ass off thinking how many
"Parents groups" in the 80's came down on this show as being "the most
violent", even more the A-Team.

Jeff Lodoen

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Jun 18, 2005, 7:32:47 AM6/18/05
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mt <lildon...@verizon.net> wrote in news:lildonnydarko-
D97572.040...@news.verizon.net:

That _WAS_ stupid. I as a 9-year-old just didn't like it.
Sunday was a crummy TV night to me, then.

Was it on at 7:00? Maybe that meant greater scrutiny.


mpoco...@aol.com

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Jun 20, 2005, 6:07:52 PM6/20/05
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DON3k wrote:
> "George Hiebert" <ge...@shaw.ca> wrote in
> news:xVqre.1665901$Xk.1086399@pd7tw3no:
>
> >
> > I loved all those Quinn Martin shows, they always seemed to have a
> > great theme song. As I recall, Barnaby Jones theme song kinda rocked
> > too.
>
> Yes, it did. All the QM's had a very in-your-face, punchy theme.

And all the QM shows had the announcer who read the names of all the
actors in the episode and the episode title, and there was always a
special guest star like John Saxon or Leslie Nielsen or Jack Cassidy or
Vic Morrow. The QM opening credits were brilliantly spoofed in the
Police Squad series, where they would introduce a special guest star in
the opening credits only to watch him get bumped off, and the episode
name listed on screen would not match what the announcer said.

The QM shows were generally terrible; I always thought the best of the
various QM series was The Streets of San Francisco.

The thing I most remember about Mannix was it seemed he got shot in
just about every episode, but it was always either a grazing/flesh
wound or he got shot in the upper arm.

My favorite part of Cannon was when Cannon (who weighed every bit of
350 pounds), wearing hard shoes, would be chasing on foot a 20 year old
punk in sneakers and would catch him in no short order.

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