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Myk Dinis

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Apr 23, 2001, 10:11:24 PM4/23/01
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e49d9? What the hell was that supposed to mean?!?!?!?!


any ideas?

Myk


GeorgeHaze

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Apr 23, 2001, 10:32:21 PM4/23/01
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Ahhhh, the plot thickens!

OK, so we have two schools of thought: one, that Alex committed suicide and,
two, that Alex was murdered.

Obviously, they both cannot be correct...or can they?

Yes, he killed himself but the questions that Liz is asking are not going to
lead to murder (at least not murder as she believes it).

11100100100111011001 is computer binary code, but for what? Not any epitaph
that a depressed suicidal teen would leave, is it? And why did his mood change
not after hanging up the phone with Isabel but once Liz and Maria had left the
room?

The lies that he spoke of weren't referring to the little white lie that he
told Isabel at Liz and Maria's prompting.Clearly he was lying to all of his
friends, but about what?

My theory: Alex was into something that he was not comfortable with. He was
being used and/or pressured by some outside force toa act against his friends.
Perhaps he was being threatened or extorted, too early to tell. Perhaps the
Government is back again or maybe the little creppy bad guy alien was pulling
Alex' strings.

Hopefully, as Liz investigates further we'll find out what the code of
"11100100100111011001" references.

And then....whoever is respondible for making Alex think that this was his only
way out is going to have to face some very angry people in Roswell. I don't
envy that someone one little bit!

@earthlink.net NoShoes

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Apr 23, 2001, 10:31:20 PM4/23/01
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It's binary code. It's the code computers read. Or maybe in this case aliens?? ;-)

Doug M. Thorsen

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Apr 23, 2001, 11:50:32 PM4/23/01
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Pardon me if this sounds really lame, but could it be morse code? I
don't know much about morse code, maybe it doesn't use only a series
of the numbers 1 and 0...

Was Liz able to actually decipher the message when it was shown to her
(doubtful, she didn't see it for that long), or was it simply the case
that it was odd that Alex had signed his name using a bunch of numbers
(of course, that was very odd, indeed!).

On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:11:24 GMT, "Myk Dinis" <din...@mediaone.net>
wrote:

>e49d9? What the hell was that supposed to mean?!?!?!?!
>
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>any ideas?
>
>Myk
>

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>From: georg...@aol.com (GeorgeHaze)

>My theory: Alex was into something that he was not comfortable with. He was
>being used and/or pressured by some outside force toa act against his
>friends.
>Perhaps he was being threatened or extorted, too early to tell. Perhaps the
>Government is back again or maybe the little creppy bad guy alien was pulling
>Alex' strings.
>

I like your theory. I said alien possession, but I like this theory.
I hadn't thought about the government, cool plot twist.

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Ryan

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Apr 24, 2001, 12:31:23 AM4/24/01
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:11:24 GMT, "Myk Dinis" <din...@mediaone.net>
wrote:

>e49d9? What the hell was that supposed to mean?!?!?!?!
>
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>any ideas?
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>Myk
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In binary: 11100100100111011001
In hex: e49d9
In octal: 3444731
In decimal: 936409

Any way you look at it..... it doesn't make any sense at all. :-P

--Ryan

Timothy A. McDaniel

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Apr 24, 2001, 1:00:13 AM4/24/01
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In article <7kt9et0juqtqlco87...@4ax.com>,

Doug M. Thorsen <dougmt...@email.com> wrote:
>Pardon me if this sounds really lame, but could it be morse code?

(Nit: "Morse" is a name, so it's capitalized.)

Unfortunately, because Morse code is a variable-length code, spaces
separate letters and they are significant. For example, ". ." is E,
but ".." is "I".

There's also the problem that knowledge of Morse code is getting
rarer. I think the US Gov't no longer requires it for a ham licence,
frex.

I wrote down "1100100100111011001", which is the subject line without
the leading "1". Anyone have the tape to hand to check? My version
is harder to work with. It's 19 bits long, which is prime, so any
fixed-length code (Baudot, say), or rectangular pattern doesn't fit.

20 bits helps a lot in that regard. 2*2*5.


Baudot is the old paper-tape code, 5 bits per character. The Subject
line form is

11100 M
10010 L
01110 C
11001 B

I was thinking Roman numerals until that last one. Or "Max/Liz Could
Boink"? It is mildly interesting that each of the sequences has
either 2 or 3 bits on. The 1s almost make a digit 2 as a picture that
way, but then why wouldn't Alex write it that way?

"Note: these bit values are often shown in inverse order, depending
(presumably) which side of the paper tape you were looking at.", says
http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?Baudot
(where I got the above table). *shrug* /bin/rev on AIX:

10011 W
01110 C
01001 D
00111 U

With the bits flipped, it's

00011 A
01101 F
10001 Z
00110 I

and

01100 N
10001 Z
10110 P
11000 O

Ah, well. Baudot has been obsolete for many years anyway.

Someone else posted the hexadecimal:

1110 E (14)
0100 4
1001 9
1101 D (13)
1001 9

Unfortunately, there are too many high bits for it to be ASCII, and 4
too many or too few to boot. Old 7-bit ASCII is, well, old, and
doesn't evenly divide 20 either.

1110010 72 -> r
0100111 27 -> ^[
011001 19 -> ^Y


How about considering them as just 5-bit numbers?

11100 28
10010 18
01110 14
11001 25

Doesn't help as letters, with that "28" in there.


Dammit! What POSSESSES dying people have to give cryptic messages?!
Please, people, if you've been shot and you're gasping your last words
to the policeman, don't say "I'll see you in the Hour of Scampering"
or whatever. Just say "Rocky Marsala, clear as day, I'd know him
anywhere, 23 Garden Drive, Alexandria, VA.".

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Chris

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Apr 24, 2001, 1:11:23 AM4/24/01
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Thanks for posting the binary code! I watched this episode real-time and
didn't record it. It's a -great- show too!

Since there are only 20 digits, perhaps they can be broken into quads...

1110 = 14
0100 = 4
1001 = 9
1101 = 13
1001 = 9

corresponding to...?

Looking at Ryan's post...

> In decimal: 936409

Maybe the numbers are Lat/Long values?

93 degrees W. longitude runs through the U.S. somewhere
64 degrees N. latitude is near the north pole
09 is a time value?

Obviously a puzzle for the audience to ponder.

Chris

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Tim Bruening

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Cry Your Name Spoilers:

Why would anyone accept a sequence of ones and zeros on a credit card receipt?
Why didn't the clerk insist that Alex sign his name?


Chris

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Apr 24, 2001, 1:29:02 AM4/24/01
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...and in the alphabet...

1110 = 14 = N
0100 = 4 = D
1001 = 9 = I
1101 = 13 = M
1001 = 9 = I

Name or acronym for someone? "ndimi"?

An acrostic for "i mind" ?

Chris

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Tim Bruening

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Chris wrote:

> Thanks for posting the binary code! I watched this episode real-time and
> didn't record it. It's a -great- show too!
>
> Since there are only 20 digits, perhaps they can be broken into quads...
>
> 1110 = 14
> 0100 = 4
> 1001 = 9
> 1101 = 13
> 1001 = 9
>
> corresponding to...?

NDIMI

> Looking at Ryan's post...
>
> > In decimal: 936409
>
> Maybe the numbers are Lat/Long values?
>
> 93 degrees W. longitude runs through the U.S. somewhere
> 64 degrees N. latitude is near the north pole
> 09 is a time value?

Sounds like somewhere in Canada, unless the 93 degrees is in the Eastern
Hemisphere. The 64 degrees could be in the Southern Hemisphere.

How about 93.6 degrees W (or E), 40.9 degrees N (or S)?


AV

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Apr 24, 2001, 1:59:13 AM4/24/01
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It might be a password or key used to encrypt a message.

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K. Johnson

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Apr 24, 2001, 2:13:59 AM4/24/01
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What if it is a code to be entered into the granolith? Maybe sent by the
homeworld?

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Timothy A. McDaniel

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(On my planet, it's usual to give replies after the text being replied
to. Reordering and trimming.)

Spoiler space just to be paranoid, though it's hard to see this as a
spoiler ...

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In article <wR8F6.42842$qv3.18...@nnrp5-w.sbc.net>,


K. Johnson <freebie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"AV" <an...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:9c34pr$gj8$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
>> It might be a password or key used to encrypt a message.
>What if it is a code to be entered into the granolith? Maybe sent by
>the homeworld?

How would Alex know it? Does he even know that the Granilith exists?
It would have to be someone who knew it meddling with Alex's mind, and
thinking about it, and Alex subconsciously channelling it and writing
it down -- though, since that's when Alex first started sounding
suicidal, precondition 1 would be met.

A trouble with either one is that it's most unsatisfying. In a
mystery story, it'd almost be considered unfair. In a lot of the
stories I've read, that sort of clue is left there for the reader to
deduce things from. Then again, the writers from Roswell are not the
sharpest bulbs in the drawer ... the brightest knives on the tree
... whatever.

Troy Daley

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Apr 24, 2001, 2:18:27 AM4/24/01
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Hard to say what this could mean. A 20 bit binary number is a weird length,
but it could be a key code to break an encryption scheme. I assume aliens
would be smart enough to use a larger key though. Most of us use a 128 bit
key these days.


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Kwame

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"K. Johnson" <freebie...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> What if it is a code to be entered into the granolith? Maybe sent by the
> homeworld?
Yes, maybe but that doesn't explain how Liz looked at it and came upt with
that quote


Tim Bruening

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Kwame wrote:

Liz had earlier read that quote in a Frost book Alex had. Alex had used
concert tickets to bookmark that quote.

Tom8585

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Apr 24, 2001, 3:12:45 AM4/24/01
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if octal: 3444731
it could be a phone number 344-4731 the 344 prefix is in ALBUQUERQUE


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Kwame

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"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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> Kwame wrote:
>

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> Liz had earlier read that quote in a Frost book Alex had. Alex had used
> concert tickets to bookmark that quote.
>

I don't think you'r understanding me. She looks at the reciept see that
binary and says the quote. Whats the relation? What does the binary have to
do with the quote? And if the binary has absolutely nothing to do with the
quote why did she pick that moment after seeing the binary to recite the
quote? There are no coincidences dammit! At least not in tv land anyway...


Chuck Mattsen

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Apr 24, 2001, 4:14:33 AM4/24/01
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This is my first time visiting the group (inspired by tonight's episode,
and I can't resist a puzzle), so I think I may have decoded this and
have the "Spoiler", at least for the binary given ...

See below

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If you break down the binary in the following fashion:

11 100 10 01 0 0 111 011 00 1

it translates, in Morse code (assuming a '1' is a dot and a '0' is a
dash, to:

I W A N T T O D I E

Hence, ...

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Charlie Kiser

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Apr 24, 2001, 6:39:42 AM4/24/01
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Reply At Bottom...

I hate to break your bubble. And I am by no means an expert at Morse
Code.
But I used a table for International Morse Code and decoded this:

I W A N T T S D M E

It's close to what you have but now it's not so "enlightening" :(

(11100100100111011001 broken down to
11 100 10 01 0 0 111 011 00 1 which converts to
.. .-- .- -. - - ... -.. -- . which converts to
I W A N T T S D M E)

--
Charlie

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Chuck Mattsen

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Keeping with the safety of the spoiler format here, my reply also at
bottom...

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"Charlie Kiser" <chazk*nospam*@thexfiles.com> wrote in message
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> I hate to break your bubble. And I am by no means an expert at Morse
> Code.
> But I used a table for International Morse Code and decoded this:
>
> I W A N T T S D M E
>
> It's close to what you have but now it's not so "enlightening" :(
>
> (11100100100111011001 broken down to
> 11 100 10 01 0 0 111 011 00 1 which converts to
> .. .-- .- -. - - ... -.. -- . which converts to
> I W A N T T S D M E)
>
> --
> Charlie

You're right, of course. Damn. In my haste (and seeing the apparent
pattern/sentence begin to take shape), I reversed the dots to dashes and
vice versa for those two letters ...

I still think the Morse code angle is the way to go ... will play with
more combos. :-(

Paul E. Chamberlain

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>OK, so we have two schools of thought: one, that Alex committed suicide and,
>two, that Alex was murdered.
>
>Obviously, they both cannot be correct...or can they?
>

Well, they both can be correct... sort of... Kavar, the bad guy here, abducted
Alex's body. So the big chance everyone was noticing was actually the actions
of Kavar, and not Alex. And so Alex did kill himself, just not knowingly. My
girfriend came up with this theory... its quite good, I suspect she read some
spoilers someplace.

P


J E L I E L

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Because no kid will look he just doesnt care LOL :)
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Bob Rudolph

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"Timothy A. McDaniel" <tm...@jump.net> wrote

> In article <7kt9et0juqtqlco87...@4ax.com>,
> Doug M. Thorsen <dougmt...@email.com> wrote:
> >Pardon me if this sounds really lame, but could it be morse code?
>
> some stuff chopped

>
> Unfortunately, because Morse code is a variable-length code, spaces
> separate letters and they are significant. For example, ". ." is E,
> but ".." is "I".

If 0 was . and 1 was -??

> There's also the problem that knowledge of Morse code is getting
> rarer. I think the US Gov't no longer requires it for a ham licence,
> frex.

Not for all classes, but for the more useful classes it is still required.

> I wrote down "1100100100111011001", which is the subject line without
> the leading "1". Anyone have the tape to hand to check? My version
> is harder to work with. It's 19 bits long, which is prime, so any
> fixed-length code (Baudot, say), or rectangular pattern doesn't fit.
>

> -------------


>
> I was thinking Roman numerals until that last one. Or "Max/Liz Could
> Boink"? It is mildly interesting that each of the sequences has
> either 2 or 3 bits on. The 1s almost make a digit 2 as a picture that
> way, but then why wouldn't Alex write it that way?

Now THIS one works pretty well for me.

You must be REALLY old if you remember baudot code...


Troy Daley

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No, your wrong.

She said the quote which basically means that she has a lot to work to do
before she is finished (the quote actually uses the word sleep to symbolize
death, but in this case I think we can assume that she uses it to symbolize
the ammount of work left to do). So the binary number affirms her
suspicions that his death was not a suicide or accident, and she had a lot
of work to do before she finds out what really happened.


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PAM

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Ian J. Ball

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In article <16572-3A...@storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
pam...@webtv.net (PAM) wrote:

> an alien barcode number ?????...lol

Yeah! It belongs to Max... from "Dark Angel"! ;)

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Hermango

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"Chuck Mattsen" <mat...@mindspring.com> wrotd:

Brilliant!!!

Hermango

Hermango

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"Bob Rudolph" <Bob.R...@BaltimorePolice.org> wrotd:

>
>You must be REALLY old if you remember baudot code...
>

Heh, sonny! How about an ASR-33 Teletype (I think that was the model)?
FYI, the first one of those I actually saw in action was in radio school at
Keesler AFB, MS. It was hooked up to a R-390 Receiver, which was connected to a
modem that filled an entire rack! We got to set the thing up to receive the AP
ticker out of New Orleans.

Hermango

Chuck Mattsen

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Alas, not so ... wish I could take credit for having made such a
discovery ... indeed, in the wee hours of the morning I thought that I
had for a short while, but two letters were transpositions of the dots
and dashes, and therefore my first interpretation was wrong. <sniff>

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Bob Rudolph

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"Hermango" <herm...@hotmail.com> wrote

You're STILL a kid.

How about Mod 8 segment teletypes, Mod 19 pallet teletypes, and SP-600's -
the staple of Security Service in the early 60's. There were R-390's
around, but most of the intell was still copied on those old Super Pro's.

I was at Goodfellow AFB in 1962....

Timothy A. McDaniel

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In article <9c40ma$bvve4$1...@ID-47136.news.dfncis.de>,

Bob Rudolph <Bob.R...@BaltimorePolice.org> wrote:
>"Timothy A. McDaniel" <tm...@jump.net> wrote
>> Unfortunately, because Morse code is a variable-length code, spaces
>> separate letters and they are significant. For example, ". ." is E,
>> but ".." is "I".
>
>If 0 was . and 1 was -??

My point is that spaces are significant in Morse code. You need a way
to represent three different symbols: dot, dash, and space.
Otherwise, you can't tell A (.-) from ET (. -), GE (--. .) from Z
(--..), et cetera, using International Morse Code. To decode it,
you'd have to insert spaces in every possible place and see if the
text looked meaningful, and the shorter the cyphertext the harder to
decode. ("Three symbols" can be more general, of course: you might
have "0" for ".", "10" for "-", "11" for space, as one example. That
expands the solution space greatly.)

Spoiler space for "Cry Your Name", 23 April 2001, and speculation
about future developments based thereon ...

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In any event, you'd have to explain how Alex knew Morse code well
enough to code it on-the-fly like that, and why he used binary instead
of just writing dashes and dots.

The more I think about it, the more I lean towards the theory that
it's a control code for the Granilith / a frequency / coordinates / a
combination / whatever. That is, that its significance is impossible
for us to figure out with the information we have. Instead, it was
something significant leaking from the brain of someone who was
influencing Alex.

My reasons are

- It's a short text -- hard to get much meaning in 20 bits.

- Alex just whipped out the stuff without pause, even though he was
distracted at the time by "signing his name". Further, he appeared
to be under seriously depressing influences at the time -- he did
the heavy "everything's a lie" speechlet then.

- If he really wanted to leave a message, he'd have just left a
message.

This does raise the question of "why would anyone be thinking in
binary?". Hexadecimal, octal, even decimal is a much shorter and
easier-to-work-with system. The answer, "because the writers think
that binary is k00l 3l33t al13n hack3r d00d stuph", is all too
depressingly true to the writers on Roswell.

However, I did ask in a couple of other newsgroups.

From: "Michael Cock" <mi...@nospamwaterplc.com>
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles,sci.crypt
Subject: Re: _Roswell_ episode crypto puzzle
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:00:39 +0100
Message-ID: <988128069.10995.0...@news.demon.co.uk>

Split into 5 groups, then convert to decimal, the convert to
letters following a=1, b=2 gives n,d,i,m,i

Is there a character called Ndimi?
Is it a anagram of Mindy, slightly corrupted for confusion's sake,
implying that the TV show isn't as serious as it makes out, but
actually aspires to reach the level of Mork and Mindy?
Could it be the code for a virus that can somehow be entered into
an alien operating system completely destroying their ship and the
aliens (too easy for an ObPuzzle).

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Message-ID: <3AE553DF...@scopic.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:22:24 +0100
From: David Hill <dh...@scopic.com>

... Your code reminded me of a Bacon Bilateral Cipher, where you
turn letters into the binary representaions of its position in the
alphabet. Trying this didn't really work until I assumed it is in
mirror writing which would give the letters:

11100 = G
10010 = I
01110 = N
11001 = S

Amber Lewis

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Apr 24, 2001, 7:48:44 PM4/24/01
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It's also a prefix in Daytona Beach, so who knows where else as well...

Chris

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Apr 24, 2001, 10:42:25 PM4/24/01
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Tim,

I think you got it!!!

The best site I could find at the moment with Lat/Long values is:
http://www.hammondmap.com/latlong.html

Take a look at the 2nd and 4th pictures. If there is a better map available
I think the coordinates 93.6 degrees W, 40.9 degrees N
places a point right in the U.S. somewhere, potentially in New Mexico.

I will search for a better map.

I bet the coordinates are correct though!

Chris

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Cjday95

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Apr 24, 2001, 10:46:54 PM4/24/01
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Maybe it the number put Alex and Liz at the end into a hypnosis???

And the Frost poem is the response to the number trigger????

Chris

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Apr 24, 2001, 10:54:06 PM4/24/01
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40.9 N Latitude by 93.6 W Longitude is a point 218 km N of Kansas City,
Missouri, United States...

http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?Lat=40.9&Lon=-93.6

Thanks to Tim for the decimals...
Chris

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Hermango

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Apr 25, 2001, 10:11:18 AM4/25/01
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"Bob Rudolph" <Bob.R...@BaltimorePolice.org> wrotd:

>


>You're STILL a kid.
>
>How about Mod 8 segment teletypes, Mod 19 pallet teletypes, and SP-600's -
>the staple of Security Service in the early 60's. There were R-390's
>around, but most of the intell was still copied on those old Super Pro's.
>
>I was at Goodfellow AFB in 1962....
>
>

I was at 698th Radron in Thomasville, AL around then. Big radar with
the SAGE system. I did the radio stuff.

FYI, went through the Cuban Missile Crisis and thought we were gonna
die! Actually walked around armed with a carbine in the middle of Alabama.

Hermango

Bob Rudolph

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Apr 25, 2001, 10:16:05 AM4/25/01
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"Hermango" <herm...@hotmail.com>

> "Bob Rudolph" <Bob.R...@BaltimorePolice.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >You're STILL a kid.
> >
> >How about Mod 8 segment teletypes, Mod 19 pallet teletypes, and
SP-600's -
> >the staple of Security Service in the early 60's. There were R-390's
> >around, but most of the intell was still copied on those old Super Pro's.
> >
> >I was at Goodfellow AFB in 1962....
> >
>
> I was at 698th Radron in Thomasville, AL around then. Big radar with
> the SAGE system. I did the radio stuff.

I ended up in Germany, listening to folks speaking Russian.

> FYI, went through the Cuban Missile Crisis and thought we were gonna
> die! Actually walked around armed with a carbine in the middle of
Alabama.

The closest I came to a hot zone was qualifying with an M-2 in the snow in
Wiesbaden in 1966.

GeorgeHaze

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Apr 25, 2001, 7:13:47 PM4/25/01
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Tom Bruening asked, ">Why would anyone accept a sequence of ones and zeros on a

credit card
>receipt?
>Why didn't the clerk insist that Alex sign his name?

How about because Alex was really creeping him out and he just wanted to get
the Hell out of there ASAP?

Ryan

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Apr 25, 2001, 11:55:12 PM4/25/01
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Neat theory... if it actually happens this way, though, I'm going to
declare Alex the "Son of the Riddler" for leaving such vague and
elaborate clues about his trail. And I'd have to declare Liz the
reincarnation of Sherlock Holmes if she figures it out. It would make
for a neat story, but aren't these HIGH SCHOOL KIDS we're talking
about?!? I think maybe the writers (the viewers, too) sometimes
forget that.

--Ryan

Alyson

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Apr 26, 2001, 5:23:00 PM4/26/01
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In article <20010425191347...@ng-cd1.aol.com>, georg...@aol.com
(GeorgeHaze) writes:

Exactly, plus some places don't really even check your sig on a cc.

What struck me as odd was that this delivery place actually takes credit cards?
Not to mention Alex had the cc out when he answered the door, so maybe he said
it'd be a charge when he ordered it? Exactly how was delivery boy going to get
authorization for this charge? Or does the restaurant (?) not bother on small
charges... It just seemed such an odd scenario (or maybe I'm just out of the
loop).

Maybe it's an inhouse charge card...

Alyson
(would sign up for a D'Angelos card) ;-)

Jenn Crouse

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Apr 26, 2001, 5:39:31 PM4/26/01
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"Alyson" <alys...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Some places if you tell them in advance that it's going to be on credit will
ask for the number then ring it through before they send it to you, all you
have to do is sign when the delivery guy gets there.

Jenn

--
"I've got promises to keep and miles to go before I sleep."

Alyson

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In article <nA0G6.12096$r7.15...@news1.busy1.on.home.com>, "Jenn Crouse"
<jcro...@home.com> writes:

>Some places if you tell them in advance that it's going to be on credit will
>ask for the number then ring it through before they send it to you, all you
>have to do is sign when the delivery guy gets there.
>

Thanks, Jenn! I confess I've never encountered trying to pay for delivery with
a credit card, so it seemed really strange...

Alyson


Allan Jenoff

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Apr 27, 2001, 9:45:17 AM4/27/01
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Alyson wrote:
>
> What struck me as odd was that this delivery place actually takes credit cards?
> Not to mention Alex had the cc out when he answered the door, so maybe he said
> it'd be a charge when he ordered it? Exactly how was delivery boy going to get
> authorization for this charge? Or does the restaurant (?) not bother on small
> charges... It just seemed such an odd scenario (or maybe I'm just out of the
> loop).
>

I order food all the time. Everyone I order from (running the fast food
gamut from pizza to chinese to wings) takes credit cards. You don't
need to give them any information over the phone - the delivery guy has
one of those machines to take an impression of your card and you sign
the paper. No electronic confirmation. Cabs work the same way.

This is the way all credit card transactions were done just a few years
ago. Big ticket items would require a call to the credit card issuer.
Now the electronic verification eliminates that and most places use it
for all transactions just to simplify things and limit the little pieces
of paper that need to be dealt with. But those little pieces of paper
are still valid and still the way some businesses operate.

The benefit of an electronic transactions is that the credit issuer
verifies the charge. This limits the business's downside. If someone
uses a bad card and you don't verify it, you're stuck with the bill, not
the credit issuer. But if you're delivering food the cost of not
accepting credit cards is way higher than the cost of the occasional
cheat.

--
Allan Jenoff
Check out my web pages at http://www3.sympatico.ca/jenoff/ and
http://www.geocities.com/jenoff_ca/

AllenGaryK

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Apr 29, 2001, 11:15:36 PM4/29/01
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Timothy A. McDaniel writes:

>There's also the problem that knowledge of Morse code is getting
>rarer. I think the US Gov't no longer requires it for a ham licence,
>frex.

Yes, Morse code was retired from official maritime use on 1 February 1999.
There are details at:

http://www2.scotweb.co.uk/ns1398/morse01.html

Gary

Cathy

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May 1, 2001, 1:41:25 AM5/1/01
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Ok. Here are my guesses about the whole thing. It is a code, binary
perhaps. Binary code seems to be the most simplistic explanation. Plus,
Alex is supposed to be a computer whiz. Remember it was he who cracked
the code to reveal that the substitute teacher was with the FBI. You
have to remember what he said when he was showing her the slides ( you
can go and forget everything, just go wherever you wanted to, etc.)
Also, the Robert Frost quote is a clue as well. It seems kind of Ironic
that Liz would say it right after she found out about the code "I have
promises to keep and miles to go before I sleep" meaning, she made Alex
a promise and can't/ won't rest/sleep until she finds out the truth.
One more thing that has to e remebered when saying Alex is an alien/half
alien. It was Alex that drew HIS blood to save Max when he was in an
accident. Should it be revealed that he is a hybrd, that he changed the
makeup of the blood to resemble humans blood. Butthen, why didn't Max do
that, you ask? Because, he didn't know about all of his powers then.
Anyway, these are just my guesses on what is going on. Feel free to
reply.

Mikel Midnight

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May 1, 2001, 10:41:26 AM5/1/01
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L e a n n a i s n o t L e a n n a
1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1

L e a a s o t - e a a

Leaasot eaa??

oh well, one more theory shot to hell. does that mean anything in
Swedish? 8)

--
_______________________________________________________________________________
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(Valerie Solonas, as described by her mother)
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Collene Pearce

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...snipping....

>1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1
>L e a a s o t - e a a
>Leaasot eaa??
>oh well, one more theory shot to hell. does that mean anything in
>Swedish? 8)
>blak...@best.com

If I've got it right,
11100100100111011001 means:
3444731 in octal
936409 in decimal and
E49D9 in hex

How about some sort of map coordinates?
acp

wall...@altavista.com

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In article <9cnc47$f7m$1...@news.jump.net>, col...@jump.net says...


Or maybe some type of space and time coordinates?

scott

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Or maybe, if it was typed on a computer, he was just hitting the one and zero
keys cause he was bored or something?
-------
Scott


scott

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>Or maybe, if it was typed on a computer, he was just hitting the one and zero
>keys cause he was bored or something?
>-------
>Scott
>
My bad. It was handwritten wasn't it?

-------
Scott


Ender

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On 30 Apr 2001 03:15:36 GMT, allen...@cs.com (AllenGaryK) wrote:

>Timothy A. McDaniel writes:
>
>>There's also the problem that knowledge of Morse code is getting
>>rarer. I think the US Gov't no longer requires it for a ham licence,

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Or maybe “Mindi”
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