David named "Kevin" in earlier episode?
Kate Croy
David is on the couch, and he's introduced to her as "Mark's brother
Kevin." Does anyone else remember that?
Michael Higby
Yes, I saw that recently. Its strange.
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>A while back, I saw an episode in syndication where Darlene comes home,
>David is on the couch, and he's introduced to her as "Mark's brother
>Kevin." Does anyone else remember that?
You are so right! Anyone see the Oprah show that promoted the first
interview with the entire cast of Roseanne on the show's set. Well,
what a let down! Sara Gilbert was not even there. Her absence was not
explained. When Oprah introduced Johnny Galecki, John Goodman asked
"Didn't your name used to be Kevin?" That question wasn't answered or
explained either. They should take Oprah's emmys away!
A personal favorite line thrown in for good measure:
Roseanne "This is not about Dan loving his mother, okay. You can still
love your mother even though you know she is a crazy old shrew!"
Bev "Don't think I can't read between those lines Roseanne."
Reflux
>
> A while back, I saw an episode in syndication where Darlene comes home,
> David is on the couch, and he's introduced to her as "Mark's brother
> Kevin." Does anyone else remember that?
Yep.
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Ecx 818
>A while back, I saw an episode in syndication where Darlene comes home,
>David is on the couch, and he's introduced to her as "Mark's brother
>Kevin." Does anyone else remember that?
Johnny Galecki explained this in an interview. Apparently, he was
working on another sitcom at the time. When "Roseanne" asked him
to return as a continuing character, the producers of the other show
jokingly agreed to allow it only if his character would change his name
to David.
The show has made occasional references to this switch. At one point,
referring to how much control Darlene has over the relationship,
Roseanne says to Dan, "David isn't even his real name! She made that up!"
Robyn
who has way too much Roseanne trivia stuck in her brain cells
RFerrie
> ca...@cpcn.com (Kate Croy) writes:
>
>>A while back, I saw an episode in syndication where Darlene comes home,
>>David is on the couch, and he's introduced to her as "Mark's brother
>>Kevin." Does anyone else remember that?
>
>interview with the entire cast of Roseanne on the show's set. Well,
>what a let down! Sara Gilbert was not even there. Her absence was not
>explained. When Oprah introduced Johnny Galecki, John Goodman asked
>"Didn't your name used to be Kevin?" That question wasn't answered or
>explained either.
I remember an episode in which they were discussing either what a
doormat David was or what a bossy type Darlene was, and Roseanne
exclaims "His name isn't even David! Darlene (just calls him
that/named him that)!"
S.J. Holton
Deborah A. Currie
>Kate Croy wrote:
>>
>> A while back, I saw an episode in syndication where Darlene comes
home,
>> David is on the couch, and he's introduced to her as "Mark's brother
>> Kevin." Does anyone else remember that?
>
YES -- I recently saw that "Kevin" episode. That was much earlier in
Becky and Mark's courtship. I guess when they decided later to add the
character, they didn't like the name Kevin.
K81E
have seen the later episode where "Kevin" and Darlene are forced into
babysitting so Becky and Mark can go on a date. In the course of the
night, they get along really well, and they sort of agree to date, but
Darlene remarks that she hates the name Kevin. I'm going to call you
David, she announces. Kevin puts up a small fight, but when the rest of
the family calls him David, he gives up. This is one of several naming
jokes, including the discovery that Jackie's real name is Marjorie, and I
have no idea if there is any bigger meaning behind them.
Kate
Ecx 818
detail a Roseanne episode that never existed:
>I have seen the later episode where "Kevin" and Darlene are forced into
>babysitting so Becky and Mark can go on a date. In the course of the
>night, they get along really well, and they sort of agree to date, but
>Darlene remarks that she hates the name Kevin. I'm going to call you
>David, she announces. Kevin puts up a small fight, but when the rest of
>the family calls him David, he gives up. <snip>
Either I've been having blackouts that eliminate Roseanne episodes, or
you're taking hallucinogens that create them. :)
Robyn
wondering if Kate can come up with anything to explain Darlene's
new pod person personality.
ExecProdRo
That episode never occurred. The reason they changed "Kevin" to "David"
is because Johnny Galecki, who plays David, was on another ABC sitcom at
the time and his name on that show was David. So the network thought he
should be "David" on both shows, otherwise, it would be confusing. They
were out of their minds, but that's not a first for them.
As far as Darlene's "change," have you remained exactly the same for eight
years? She's been at college, exposed to more, she's older... let your
children grow up, y'know?
R. Johnston
can't remember if he was supposed to have been Mark's brother or not but I
know for sure that he was in an episode under a different name.
Rob J
Ecx 818
In article <4lr44e$2...@melon.myna.com>, ro...@myna.com (R. Johnston)
entered the great Kevin/David debate by responding to my contention
that Kate's "babysitting" episode never existed:
>>Either I've been having blackouts that eliminate Roseanne episodes, or
>>you're taking hallucinogens that create them. :)
>>
>>Robyn
>I hate to disagree, but I remember an episode that had Johnny Galecki in
>it. I can't remember if he was supposed to have been Mark's brother or
>not but I know for sure that he was in an episode under a different name.
>
>Rob J
I didn't disagree that David was introduced as Kevin. I was teasing Kate
for having such superb recall of an (imaginary) episode in which the name
change was fully explained.
As many people, including me, have noted, Johnny Galecki was indeed
introduced as Kevin. Specifically, in the tag to an episode about bowling,
Roseanne and Dan come home to find "Kevin" babysitting for D.J. after
Mark and Becky took off for a date. Darlene enters, meets "Kevin,"
and they bond over each having detention and "out-of-control" hair. Dan
thinks it's nice that Darlene is making a new friend until Roseanne tells
him "Kevin" is Mark's brother, at which point he whisks him out of the
house.
Some weeks later, Johnny Galecki has returned as Darlene's platonic
friend. They're drawing comic books together and now his name is David.
The only on-camera reference ever made to his original name came some
years later, when Roseanne was talking to Dan about how much control
Darlene has over the relationship: "You know, David isn't even his real
name! She made that up!"
Maybe this will end the thread, but I doubt it. :)
Robyn
who's wrong lots of times, but not about this
mic...@intellisys.net
ecx...@aol.com (Ecx 818) wrote:
>In the message below, k8...@aol.com (K81E) recounts with compelling
>detail a Roseanne episode that never existed:
>>I have seen the later episode where "Kevin" and Darlene are forced into
>>babysitting so Becky and Mark can go on a date. In the course of the
>>night, they get along really well, and they sort of agree to date, but
>>Darlene remarks that she hates the name Kevin. I'm going to call you
>>David, she announces. Kevin puts up a small fight, but when the rest of
>>the family calls him David, he gives up. <snip>
>Either I've been having blackouts that eliminate Roseanne episodes, or
>you're taking hallucinogens that create them. :)
>Robyn
>wondering if Kate can come up with anything to explain Darlene's
>new pod person personality.
You shouldn't get so short with people. Especially when they're right
and you're wrong. I have a distinct memory of the "I don't like the
name Kevin" episode.
Michael B. Kintner
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Deborah A. Currie
In <4lohk5$e...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> ecx...@aol.com (Ecx 818) writes:
>
>In the message below, k8...@aol.com (K81E) recounts with compelling
>detail a Roseanne episode that never existed:
>
>>I have seen the later episode where "Kevin" and Darlene are forced
into
>>babysitting so Becky and Mark can go on a date. In the course of the
>>night, they get along really well, and they sort of agree to date,
but
>>Darlene remarks that she hates the name Kevin. I'm going to call you
>>David, she announces. Kevin puts up a small fight, but when the rest
of
>>the family calls him David, he gives up. <snip>
>
>Either I've been having blackouts that eliminate Roseanne episodes, or
>you're taking hallucinogens that create them. :)
>
>Robyn
>wondering if Kate can come up with anything to explain Darlene's
>new pod person personality.
>
>
>
remember Darlene saying that. That did happen in another sitcom (was
it Cosby), where a girl much younger than Darlene renamed a little boy
because she didn't like his name. Think she renamed him Bud, with a
long drawn out "u", kinda like Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud. Was that Rudy on
Cosby?) I do remember Darlene's first make-out session on the couch
while babysitting, Becky was out on a date, Darlene surprised Becky
when she got home by telling her she got felt up, Roseanne caught her
on the couch and thought it was Becky -- but I don't think it was Kevin
/ David with her, was it? (On the other hand, I do remember Mark's
brother was named Kevin in the first episode he appeared in, so now I'm
really confused).
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LizC11990
In article <4ls4os$8...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
dacu...@ix.netcom.com(Deborah A. Currie) writes:
>I thought I had seen every Roseanne episode, but I don't think I
>remember Darlene saying that. That did happen in another sitcom (was
>it Cosby), where a girl much younger than Darlene renamed a little boy
>because she didn't like his name. Think she renamed him Bud, with a
>long drawn out "u", kinda like Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud. Was that Rudy on
>Cosby?
Thank you Debbie!! I was going crazy trying to remember the other show
that
had a girl give a boy a different name. It was Rudy on Cosby. Cosby used
to
be shown every night after the news but now Roseanne is. (Thank
goodness!!!)
Thanks,
Liz
Deborah A. Currie
In <4lr44e$2...@melon.myna.com> ro...@myna.com (R. Johnston) writes:
>
>I hate to disagree, but I remember an episode that had Johnny Galecki
in it. I
>can't remember if he was supposed to have been Mark's brother or not
but I
>know for sure that he was in an episode under a different name.
>
>Rob J
I think everyone agrees that the first time Mark's brother appeared on
the show he was named Kevin and I think everyone agrees that Kevin was
played by the same actor who plays David. I think the confusion (or
disagreement) concerns the circumstances or storyline from
Kevin/David's first appearance -- whether that was the babysitting
episode and whether it was Darlene who named Kevin David. Personally,
I don't remember Darlene doing that, and I think I would have
remembered it since I remembered the similar storyline on the Cosby
Show.
Also -- in response to some of the earlier posings -- how was Darlene
able to convince Kevin's mother to call him David? We met David's
mother on the episode when David came to live with the Connors.
David's mother was getting ready to move them to another city and
Darlene wanted David to move in. Roseanne and Dan said no -- until
Roseanne met David's mother and saw how she treated him. If I remember
correctly, David's mother called him David, not Kevin.
Akhtar
(Ecx 818)' wrote:
(<snip>) I think I need new scissors now!
>Kate's "babysitting" episode never existed: I was teasing Kate
>introduced as Kevin.
>Some weeks later, Johnny Galecki has returned as Darlene's >platonic
friend. They're drawing comic books together and now >his name is David.
>The only on-camera reference ever made to his original name came some
years later, when Roseanne was talking to Dan about how much control
Darlene has over the relationship:
>"You know, David isn't even his real name! She made that up!"
>
>Maybe this will end the thread, but I doubt it. :)
>
>Robyn
>who's wrong lots of times, but not about this
ROBYN, You are absolutly correct: in that is what happened and the only
time they made a reference to the name change!
MY 2 CENTS WORTH!
Akhtar
Akhtar
'mic...@intellisys.net' wrote:
(<SNIP>)
>You shouldn't get so short with people. Especially when they're right
>and you're wrong. I have a distinct memory of the "I don't like the
>name Kevin" episode.
>
You are just confussing "Roseanne" with "The Cosby Show"
The episode that your thinking of is on "The Cosby Show" and yes they did
change the name from "Kevin" to "Buuuuuuud" if you will think back! And
then only Rudy called him Bud!
And might I add that your memories are great on certain things but as time
passes we all get a little missplaced. This happens to the best of us, then
to the rest of us!
When in doubt= watch it again!
MY 2 CENTS WORTH!
Akhtar
R. Johnston
In article <4m36ut$l...@news.eecs.umich.edu>,
ckha...@courbet.eecs.umich.edu (Courtney K. Hanish) wrote:
>|> >The only on-camera reference ever made to his original name came some
>|> years later, when Roseanne was talking to Dan about how much control
>|> Darlene has over the relationship:
>|> >"You know, David isn't even his real name! She made that up!"
>
>occur because I missed several episodes around the time when they found
>out David was living with Darleen in Chicago. In which episode did this
>reference take place? Thanks!
>
>BTW, I concur that there was no original explanation of the name change. He
>was Kevin in one episode, then suddenly he was David.
>
>Courtney
I think that the reason that he was first named Kevin and then David was that
when he was first in the show it was probably as a one shot deal. IMHO ,
Roseanne liked the actor (Mr. Galecki) enough to give him a part in the series
and gave him the character of David. My logic , maybe misguided , is due to
the fact that Roseanne also cast him as her son in the movie she did with ex
Tom Arnold about a woman vs. men baseball game. (Which I enjoyed).
Wadayathink?
Courtney K. Hanish
ExecProdRo
He was called Kevin first. The network wanted his name changed to "David"
because the same actor played a "David" on another show. They thought
this would avoid confusion. The show never made reference to the name
change. Once, Roseanne made a joke about how David's not really David's
real name, but it was only a joke. The end.
K81E
Okay, okay, look:
I haven't been checking up on postings here for awhile, so I apologize for
not defending my position earlier. However, there is NO WAY Darlene did
not tell "Kevin" that she didn't like that name, and she was going to call
him David from now on. I remember it perfectly, and it is of a piece with
many of their other conversations about whether Darlene or David would get
their way in the course of the relationship, wherein Darlene always gets
her way. I admit that I confused things by mixing up that conversation
with an earlier, unrelated episode that explains how they originally met,
but I know they had this conversation.
Why does Kevin's mom call Kevin David? First of all, I think I remember
her calling him Kevin (but not as certain about this as I am about Darlene
changing his name -- after all, Kevin and David sound vaguely the same),
and secondly: writers screwed up or Roseanne wanted to screw with the
narrative logic (something, a la the two Beckys, she does all the time,
just as an allusion to the two Darrens in Bewitched and other tv sitcom
confusions).
If you haven't seen the name change ep, I would say to you: Have you seen
the first ep, where DJ is played by someone other than Micheal
Whatshisname? No? Well, that's because this show has been on the air so
long, and sometimes runs in syndication in two slots at a time (say 6:00
and 11:30 pm) that you can think you've seen an entire season, but
actually, you've missed one or two episodes. Even if you watched every
week from the moment the show went on the air, isn't there a chance that
you got caught in traffic and missed an ep, and then forgot about it by
the time reruns started in the summer (or maybe it wasn't repeated), and
just by chance haven't seen every episode there is? I started watching
Roseanne in syndication, and watched it 2, sometimes 3 times a night,
every weeknight for going on four years in 3 different cities, and even
now I sometimes see an ep (usually an early one) I've never seen before.
Kate
Deborah A. Currie
In <4mstom$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> k8...@aol.com (K81E) writes:
>
>Okay, okay, look: I haven't been checking up on postings here for
awhile, so I apologize for not defending my position earlier. However,
there is NO WAY Darlene did not tell "Kevin" that she didn't like that
name, and she was going to call him David from now on. I remember it
perfectly, and it is of a piece with many of their other conversations
about whether Darlene or David would get their way in the course of the
relationship, wherein Darlene always gets her way.
>
I agree that Darlene liked to control David, but the Kevin thing would
have to have occurred the very first time they met, because he was only
Kevin for one episode.
>Why does Kevin's mom call Kevin David? First of all, I think I
remember her calling him Kevin (but not as certain about this as I am
about Darlene changing his name -- after all, Kevin and David sound
vaguely the same), (snip)
>
NO WAY did David's mother call him Kevin. I would be much more willing
to accept your certainty about that uncharacteristic
Darlene-changing-his-name thing. But David's mother definitely did not
call him Kevin, at least not in the episode where Roseanne agrees to
let David live with them after meeting David's mother. Was his mother
in any other episodes?
>If you haven't seen the name change ep, I would say to you: Have you
>seen the first ep, where DJ is played by someone other than Micheal
>Whatshisname? No? Well, that's because this show has been on the air
>so long (snip)
Yes -- the first episode (or was it the pilot) had someone else playing
DJ, they have shown that episode in Dallas many times. I think I have
seen every episode of Roseanne ever made (several times over, but not
in the last year). I think it's pretty neat that this topic has
generated so much discussion. Hopefully someone will let us all know
when this episode might air and those in that city can watch it and let
the rest of us know. Does anyone have a contact at a TV station or
with Roseanne's show who could help us settle this?
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Jon Bell
The part of DJ Conner in the Pilot Episode of Roseanne is played by actor
Sal Barone.
David's mother never referred to David as Kevin.