The Best Mecha Ever
Eliseo Ira
I think the best mecha ever was the Max Sterling special in Macross the movie. Max sterling is and will alway
be the best fighter pilot in anime. He has the prettiest wife, Myria and has the most kills of any other
pilot.
Snoopy
Well, now that I've watched a lot more Robotech anime, I think the best
Robotech mecha is the Invid's Prince and Princess mechas. And then the
Robotech Master's Invid fighter. For some reason though, I never
understood why The Robotech Masters were more powerful than the Invid,
when it seems the Invid have the higher technology. I guess the Robotech
Masters had the higher technology as far as war spaceships.
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Eliseo Ira <SAC7...@saclink3.csus.edu> wrote in article
<3302BE...@saclink3.csus.edu>...
I didn't know Max had his own mecha special edition and this movie you are
referring to would that be Macross "Do you remember love", If you are
referring to it then his name is Max Jenius not Sterling... And the best
mecha ever is the YF-19 from Macross Plus and my pick for best pilot would
have to be Isamu Dyson, then Max, Miriya, Gamlin Kizaki is next, then Roy,
then Guld, then Hikaru...
Zsolt Szabo
In article <3302BE...@saclink3.csus.edu>,
Eliseo Ira <SAC7...@saclink3.csus.edu> wrote:
>I think the best mecha ever was the Max Sterling special in Macross the movie. Max sterling is and will alway
>be the best fighter pilot in anime. He has the prettiest wife, Myria and has the most kills of any other
>pilot.
I think, Max certainly takes the first place award for "most missiles
launched per salvo". I remember him emptying all his racks in the cartoon
while fighting just a single opponent :-)
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: I think the best mecha ever was the Max Sterling special in Macross the movie. Max sterling is and will alway
: pilot.
well, yes, according to the dialogues in robotech/macross, max sure is a
genius. and miriya is not bad at all. however, if i make a show with a
really awesome ace pilot, my pilot could be the best in all anime.
it's really just part of the story.
do you think max or roy or even rick would win in a fight against a new
type (from the gundam stories)? part of the new-types fighting ability
is the psychic connection they have with their mechs. in fact, in later
series, there are individual mechs created just for individual
new-types, making the fighting ability even more devastating.
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chanfam
Hello,
I think Max could have had new type potential (if i were to mix the two
stories together). Though we've never seen him use telepathy...
The Red Comet versus Roy Fokker? Gundams versus Valkyries? I have no
idea who would win. If the Gundams were all piloted by new types,
perhaps they would have the upper hand...
By the way, does anyone know where I can get M.S. Gundam book 3
"Confrontation" by Yoshiyuki Tomino? What I've read so far is pretty
good. :) I like the Gundam series better than the Southern Cross
novel arc.
Bye,
Ambrose
Racer X5
The best Mecha pilot was Max Sterling
The best mecha is either the Vf-1J or the Officer Battle Pod
Tiger
In article <19970226003...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, rac...@aol.com
(Racer X5) wrote:
> The best Mecha pilot was Max Sterling
>
> The best mecha is either the Vf-1J or the Officer Battle Pod
You are completly right for the pilot. Who could say that he has been shot
only two times in all his career. (one time by Miriya, his wife, a second
time by Dana his daughter).
But for the mecha you have to specify from where to where in time you want
to set the level.
In the robotech saga, I'm going for the armor veritech. ('cause he can dump
the armor when used.)
In the Southern Cross: The Gladiator.
In the Invid Invasion: The Vindicator.
In Macross Plus : VF-19.
In Macross II: The Metal Siren.
Overall I will choose the Metal siren, followed very close by the VF-19.
Lt Jean-Philippe Pasquin, A.K.A. Tiger.
Metal Siren pilot under major Nexxus command.
Breetai14
I heard somewhere that a company was rereleasing all the old robotech
toys. If you have any info on this e-mail me.
Mndc...@ix.netcom.com
Racer X5 wrote:
>
> The best Mecha pilot was Max Sterling
>
> The best mecha is either the Vf-1J or the Officer Battle Pod
If you are talking about the first saga, I would have to agree about Max
as the best pilot.
As far as mecha go, I think It would have to be the Vf-1s super
veritech. It hold more missles, more head lasers, is faster, and if I
am correct, it is also more manueverable.
Acurry
The Three Best Pilots in the Robotech Universe have to be
Rick Hunter, Roy Fokker, and Max Sterling.
In a shoot out. HEre would be my picks.
1. Rick Hunter
2. Roy Fokker
3. Max Sterling.
G. Shreve
Is this a list of the 3 best *Valkyrie* pilots in the Robotech universe,
or THE three best pilots. I think Myria in her Zentradi armor was pretty
badass, and would have to be on the list.
Geoff
Where's my coconut?
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, it was written:
Robert Duddles
Acurry wrote:
>
> The Three Best Pilots in the Robotech Universe have to be
> Rick Hunter, Roy Fokker, and Max Sterling.
> In a shoot out. HEre would be my picks.
> 1. Rick Hunter
> 2. Roy Fokker
> 3. Max Sterling.
1. Max
2. Roy
3. Rick
...just the opposite... :)
B.
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BREETAI
Acurry <@ENG.UA.EDU> wrote in article <3324AB...@ENG.UA.EDU>...
> The Three Best Pilots in the Robotech Universe have to be
> Rick Hunter, Roy Fokker, and Max Sterling.
> In a shoot out. HEre would be my picks.
> 1. Rick Hunter
> 2. Roy Fokker
> 3. Max Sterling.
>
Um, I think it would go more like this,
Max Sterling
Scott Bernard
Roy Fokker
Rick was a great pilot, but there are many better than him. He wasn't
intended to be the best pilot, his character was supposed to be "special"
because the story revolved around this pilot, not the best, not the worst.
I put Scott for #2 for his extreme ability to fly an Alpha, he's a genius.
In the episode (I don't remember wich one) that he flew to the middle of a
hive and had the Invid's detonate the sucker for him was astonishing "last
minute" strategy. Max I think is the best because well, it states that
he's the best, Roy Fokker made number 3 because, well, he's so damn cool.
-Britt
Michael Mierzwa
BREETAI (bre...@netdepot.com) wrote:
: Um, I think it would go more like this,
: Max Sterling
: Scott Bernard
: Roy Fokker
I agree that Scott is a pretty darn good pilot and better than Rick,
however this is the list that I would put together:
Zor Prime,
Roy Fokker,
and then one of the Sterlings ... can't figure which one.
Michael Mierzwa
Racer X5
I have to say that a VF 1J with the Super boosters and a competent pilot
would be superior to an armored Valkerie.
Also the YF 19 would kick the metal siren any day.
Racer X5 Free lance fighter pilot.
someone somwhere
BREETAI wrote:
>
> Acurry <@ENG.UA.EDU> wrote in article <3324AB...@ENG.UA.EDU>...
> > The Three Best Pilots in the Robotech Universe have to be
> > Rick Hunter, Roy Fokker, and Max Sterling.
> > In a shoot out. HEre would be my picks.
> > 1. Rick Hunter
> > 2. Roy Fokker
> > 3. Max Sterling.
> >
>
>
> Max Sterling
> Scott Bernard
> Roy Fokker
>
> intended to be the best pilot, his character was supposed to be "special"
> because the story revolved around this pilot, not the best, not the worst.
> I put Scott for #2 for his extreme ability to fly an Alpha, he's a genius.
> In the episode (I don't remember wich one) that he flew to the middle of a
> hive and had the Invid's detonate the sucker for him was astonishing "last
> minute" strategy. Max I think is the best because well, it states that
> he's the best, Roy Fokker made number 3 because, well, he's so damn cool.
>
> -Britt
1. Max
2. Roy
3. Scott
Scott was good, but you have to give Roy vredit, he was an ace in
standard air craft, like 14's and the later one's. When he went to
Veritech's, he just started to rule. But all in all, Max was top. Who
else would go into a enemy ship, play dress up, and then fight his way
out? That and his ability's in battleoid. nough said. grin
adfe...@aol.com
Time for a new thread.
How's about...........
Galaxy Class Starship vs. THE GRAND CANNON
Adam
Mndc...@ix.netcom.com
Michael Mierzwa wrote:
> I agree that Scott is a pretty darn good pilot and better than Rick,
> however this is the list that I would put together:
>
> Zor Prime,
> Roy Fokker,
> and then one of the Sterlings ... can't figure which one.
>
> Michael Mierzwa
In my opinion, I think that each saga had it's own set of excellent
pilots. If you are talking about the first saga, I think it would go
like this.
1.Max (never shot down)
2.Myria (Only ever bested by Max)]
3.Toss up between Rick, Roy and Kyron.
If You are talking about the second saga, It would be:
1.Zor
2.Dana
3.Meria (I dont think I spelled it correctly)
If you are talking about the third saga, It would be:
1.Scott
2.Corg
3.Rook or Lancer
I think the overall would have to be.
1.Max (Never Bested)
2.Zor (Never Bested)
3.Myria or Dana (Myria only bested by max, Dana only bested by Zor)
I didn't think Scott fit in on the best because I didn't find Corg that
strong of an antagonist.
Xedus Q
What about " the bad guys "?
I think Myria and Corge where a couple of the best pilots. And so was Zor
Prime.
Dosun1
Hey, what about the females! If you have Max there, you know Miriya has
to be right behind him. I wouldn't have Scott Bernard on that list, he's a
great leader but a so so pilot. Same goes with Rick. I remember in the
last episodes out Robotech Scott couldn't even beat the alien guy (or he
needed some help-can't remember).
BREETAI (bre...@netdepot.com) wrote:
: Um, I think it would go more like this,
---===ICEHAWK===---
>> In a shoot out. HEre would be my picks.
>> 1. Rick Hunter
>> 2. Roy Fokker
>> 3. Max Sterling.
>Max Sterling
>Scott Bernard
>Roy Fokker
1. Max Sterling
2. Roy Fokker
3. Scott Bernard
4. Miriya P-Sterling
5. Rick (just 'cuz I wanted ta put him there)
Why?
1-Max was the best pilot as they constantly reminded
2-Roy was the test pilot for the veritech. He pioneered it. Scott's a great
pilot and all, but if it wasn't for people like Roy to work out the bugs,
the Alpha wouldn't've been invented. Plus Scott had an Alpha, and had Roy
lived through Macross and actually flown one... (whole what tech they had
thing. Like Enterprise-A would lose to Enterprise-D due to technology...)
Just my (crappy) opinion...
ICEHAWK
Mndc...@ix.netcom.com
---===ICEHAWK===--- wrote:
> My picks?
>
> 1. Max Sterling
> 2. Roy Fokker
> 3. Scott Bernard
> 4. Miriya P-Sterling
> 5. Rick (just 'cuz I wanted ta put him there)
>
> Why?
> 1-Max was the best pilot as they constantly reminded
> 2-Roy was the test pilot for the veritech. He pioneered it. Scott's a great
> pilot and all, but if it wasn't for people like Roy to work out the bugs,
> the Alpha wouldn't've been invented. Plus Scott had an Alpha, and had Roy
> lived through Macross and actually flown one... (whole what tech they had
> thing. Like Enterprise-A would lose to Enterprise-D due to technology...)
>
> Just my (crappy) opinion...
>
> ICEHAWK
Hey Ice, Roy Was Shot. He DIED! He was killed by a zentraidai.
Cannon Fodder for the Robotech masters. Just cuz he test piloted the
ships doesn't mean he is the best (or even second best). I think one on
one, Max, Myria or Zor would have bested him. Max was Absolutly the
best as you agree with me. But Myria, only best by Max, I think is
better than Roy, but we will never know.
Eriond
J Hammer
Mndc...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>
> I think the overall would have to be.
>
> 1.Max (Never Bested)
> 2.Zor (Never Bested)
> 3.Myria or Dana (Myria only bested by max, Dana only bested by Zor)
>
> I didn't think Scott fit in on the best because I didn't find Corg
>that strong of an antagonist.
Best answer yet.
Joseph Chen
someone somwhere (tom...@icecastle.com) wrote:
: 1. Max
: 2. Roy
: 3. Scott
: Scott was good, but you have to give Roy vredit, he was an ace in
: standard air craft, like 14's and the later one's. When he went to
: Veritech's, he just started to rule. But all in all, Max was top. Who
: else would go into a enemy ship, play dress up, and then fight his way
: out? That and his ability's in battleoid. nough said. grin
Okay, since I felt there was a bit of a lack in political correctness,
and since I love her so damn much, I'd make my list:
1. Max
2. Miriya
3. Scott
How can anyone forget the battle queen of the quadrano? The one who
flew circles around anyone short of Max? Besides, she looks better in
a flight suit than the guys do. =)
Edge
The only reason why he was shot, was becuz he was trying to save a
friend!!! (As described in book)
Patrick Stewart
---===ICEHAWK===--- wrote:
>
> >> In a shoot out. HEre would be my picks.
> >> 1. Rick Hunter
> >> 2. Roy Fokker
> >> 3. Max Sterling.
> >Um, I think it would go more like this,
> >Max Sterling
> >Scott Bernard
> >Roy Fokker
>
> 1. Max Sterling
> 2. Roy Fokker
> 3. Scott Bernard
> 4. Miriya P-Sterling
> 5. Rick (just 'cuz I wanted ta put him there)
>
> Why?
> 1-Max was the best pilot as they constantly reminded
> 2-Roy was the test pilot for the veritech. He pioneered it. Scott's a great
> pilot and all, but if it wasn't for people like Roy to work out the bugs,
> the Alpha wouldn't've been invented. Plus Scott had an Alpha, and had Roy
> lived through Macross and actually flown one... (whole what tech they had
> thing. Like Enterprise-A would lose to Enterprise-D due to technology...)
>
> Just my (crappy) opinion...
>
> ICEHAWK
Before we make a list of best pilots, I think we should first make a
distinction. The main characters in the Robotech Forces are made up of
1)Leadership ability and 2)Flying skills and 3)Heart
Every character has these attributes but to a certain degree. The best
character in Robotech and the best person will be well-rounded in each
of these attributes. However, the best pilot simply means, the person
who can best pilot a Robotech mecha, or mecha of some sort. To properly
rate these pilots in their piloting ability, we must only consider their
piloting skills. This is not saying, that heart and leadership will not
play the determining factor in a one on one confrontation, it is just
saying who is the best skilled pilot.
For instance, Rick Hunter possessed above average piloting skills,
great heart and above average leadership. This may be the highest
well-rounded character and these may all in fact come together so Rick
could win in a confrontation against a better pilot with more skills,
but Rick can not be considered as best pilot because he only has average
piloting skills.
When it comes to best pilot, with the best raw skills, I think we
should rate them as follows.
1) Max Sterling
2) Miriya Sterling
3) Scott Bernard, Rick Hunter, Roy folker and possibly others also tied
for third.
Once again this does not say the number 3 rated pilots could not defeat
the upper level fighter pilots, in using leadership and heart, it is
simply saying, they are not as naturally skilled in piloting.
Now if the question asked, Who is the best all-character who was a
pilot, I think the classification would be different.
1) Roy Folker, Rick Hunter
2) Max Sterling
3) Scott Bernard
4) Miriya Sterling
Best Leader who was a pilot may go as follows with only minor changes.
1)Roy Folker
2)Rick Hunter
3)Max Sterling
4)Scott Bernard
Most heart in a pilot may go like this
1)Rick Hunter
2)Scott Bernard
3)Roy Folker
4)Max Sterling
This is not saying that characters like Max Sterling possess little
heart to come through in the big moment, only that due to their natural
skill, heart is often not needed to prevail.
Of course there can be many other character distinctions which could be
rated in pilots, but these are the main few, and this is how I think
they should be listed.
Patrick Stewart
Mndc...@ix.netcom.com
Xedus Q wrote:
>
> It does not matter why Roy was shot down, as honorable as it may have
> been. The point is is that he was shot down.
>
> I think Scott had the most hart out of anyone. He could have given up,
> but he formed his freedom fighters and carried on in spite of all of the
> obstacles in his way.
Heart should not be mistakin for skill of a pilot. Just cuz he didn't
give up doesn't mean that he is good. Don't get me wrong, he surely
doesn't suck but he is not the best.
Mndc...@ix.netcom.com
Edge wrote:
> The only reason why he was shot, was becuz he was trying to save a
> friend!!! (As described in book)
Never the less, he was shot. Max saved friends to but he didn't get
shot.
Xedus Q
jeff g burger
In <3324AB...@ENG.UA.EDU> Acurry <@ENG.UA.EDU> writes:
>
>The Three Best Pilots in the Robotech Universe have to be
>Rick Hunter, Roy Fokker, and Max Sterling.
>1. Rick Hunter
>2. Roy Fokker
>3. Max Sterling.
As well we all know Max Sterling would take out both Roy and Rick
without breaking a sweat...
---===ICEHAWK===---
>> 1. Max Sterling
>> 2. Roy Fokker
>> 3. Scott Bernard
>> 4. Miriya P-Sterling
>> 5. Rick (just 'cuz I wanted ta put him there)
>Hey Ice, Roy Was Shot. He DIED! He was killed by a zentraidai.
No, he died from lack of blood. Captain Kramer ejected, he went in to
protect him, the Zentraedi got a shot off at him while he was defending
a higher ranking officer.
>I think one on one, Max, Myria or Zor would have bested him.
Zor wasn't a great pilot. Invid blew him to hell (Yeah, I know why). He
was a scientist, not a pilot.
>But Myria, only best by Max, I think is better than Roy, but we will
>never know.
We never actually saw Roy fight Miriya. They were both great pilots,
but the only time Miriya is ever considered better than Roy was
by McKinney, which we all never was that conclusive.
Just my assholistic approach on things.
ICEHAWK
Alexei Doubinski
ice...@Icehawk.reno.nv.us (---===ICEHAWK===---) wrote:
>>> 1. Max Sterling
>>> 2. Roy Fokker
>>> 3. Scott Bernard
>>> 4. Miriya P-Sterling
>>> 5. Rick (just 'cuz I wanted ta put him there)
>>Hey Ice, Roy Was Shot. He DIED! He was killed by a zentraidai.
>No, he died from lack of blood. Captain Kramer ejected, he went in to
>protect him, the Zentraedi got a shot off at him while he was defending
>a higher ranking officer.
Just a side-step question. Wasn't Kramer Roy's wingman during first
encounter with Zentraedi over Macross island? At least in "Genesis"
book Roy ordered Kramer to lead his flight while Roy went down to look
for Rick...
KRISTOPHER L. CASTRO
legi...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >>Hey Ice, Roy Was Shot. He DIED! He was killed by a zentraidai.
> >No, he died from lack of blood. Captain Kramer ejected, he went in to
> >protect him, the Zentraedi got a shot off at him while he was defending
> >a higher ranking officer.
> >Zor wasn't a great pilot. Invid blew him to hell (Yeah, I know why). He
> >was a scientist, not a pilot.
> >>But Myria, only best by Max, I think is better than Roy, but we will
> >>never know.
> >We never actually saw Roy fight Miriya. They were both great pilots,
> >but the only time Miriya is ever considered better than Roy was
> >by McKinney, which we all never was that conclusive.
>
riddled by Miriya.
>
> JasonMiriya didn't kill Roy she was to busy chasing Max. Miriya was out to
get the the one piolt Kyron said she could not best. And the only piolt
Khryon fought one on one was Rick Hunter in episode 8 Sweet Sixteen. And
yes Roy did die from lack of blood, because he let the hospital with out
treatment when he found out that Captain Kramer died.......
Macleod
legi...@aol.com
legi...@aol.com
>Miriya didn't kill Roy she was to busy chasing Max. Miriya was out to
>get the the one piolt Kyron said she could not best. And the only piolt
>Khryon fought one on one was Rick Hunter in episode 8 Sweet Sixteen. And
>yes Roy did die from lack of blood, because he let the hospital with out
>treatment when he found out that Captain Kramer died.......
I don't really want to start an argument about this, but I could have sworn that Miriya shot up Roy's plane just before she went aboard the SDF-1. It was a real quick scene and not much attention was drawn to it... (Retro story engineering during translation, perhaps?)
Storywise, if Miriya was the one that got Roy, it would make sense. More sense than if it was just an unnamed Zentraedi warrior. I'll have to go back and watch my laserdisc of the episode to check though.
Mind you, all the scenes concerning Roy's death were very choppy, uneven, and rushed. Probably from editting it to protect our young minds from being warped.
Jason
Peter Walker
legi...@aol.com wrote:
: As far as I can remember, Miriya was the one that dealt the killing shots
: to Roy. And yes, Roy did die of lack of blood, after being riddled by Miriya.
I'm afraid you're mistaken here. Miyria was already well into her duel with
Max when Roy was shot. Roy was killed by a random no-name Quaedluun-Rau pilot.
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> It does not matter why Roy was shot down, as honorable as it may have
> been. The point is is that he was shot down.
then Rick or Max!! He fought an entire war before those two even got into
a fighter! Since we don't know about Rick and Max's real contribution to
the Sentinels campaign (in which neither does very much flying), we can't
assume that they ran up a big number of kills. And besides, humans have
been proven to be the *best* pilots, and Roy took them out in the war.
But most of all, Roy wasn't some wishy-washy moron who dreamed of a young,
too-often-singing-whore or some shy nerd. He was simply the
coolest pilot around, was a great leader, and helped save the SDF more
times then Rick and Max combined (not to mention individual pilots). So
he was killed. The odds of him dying where *much* greater then any of the
young pups simply because he had seen so much combat. And his death was a
noble one, which is the *true* test of a soldier! Long live Roy!
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How's about...........
Adam >>
PLEASE GOD NO!!!!! This is the most ludicrous and energy wasting thread I
have ever seen. LET IT DIE!!!
Here's all you need to know:
ROBOTECH RULES!!!!!!
STAR TREK SUCKS!!!!!
and I am out,
Tom
Mndc...@ix.netcom.com
> He was shot down because he had about eighty billion more flight hours
> then Rick or Max!!
That sounds like he had more experience. If he had more experience and
was so good of a pilot, he shouldn't have died.
> He fought an entire war before those two even got into
> a fighter!
Just because he is older doesn't mean he is better.
> Since we don't know about Rick and Max's real contribution to
> the Sentinels campaign (in which neither does very much flying), we can't
> assume that they ran up a big number of kills.
Sentinals was not an entire war? Malcontent uprisings does not
constitute war? 4.5 billion againt not even 1/10 the number does not
prove that if rick and max survived the incredible amount of odd
constitute skill? Come on. Try a little harder to open your eyes. If
Roy was so good, he should have lasted longer.
I also don't remember Max ever having a desk job. Wasn't he head of
Skull squadron in sentinals. You don't think that if he survived againt
the invid also that he wouldn't be good.
> And besides, humans have
> been proven to be the *best* pilots, and Roy took them out in the war.
Your are right, unfortunatly Roy isn't the best.
> But most of all, Roy wasn't some wishy-washy moron who dreamed of a young,
> too-often-singing-whore or some shy nerd.
Braun in a jet doesn't to you much good. Only skill helps. We are
talking about skill not personality.
> He was simply the
> coolest pilot around, was a great leader, and helped save the SDF more
> times then Rick and Max combined (not to mention individual pilots).
If I remember correctly, the only person who directly saved the sdf-1
was Rick. IF U REMEMBER, HE PERSONALY SAVED THE BRIDGE.
> So he was killed. The odds of him dying where *much* greater then any of the
> young pups simply because he had seen so much combat.
Sure, what ever. Try to open your eyes. Those who died don't benefit
those alive much anymore.
> And his death was a
> noble one, which is the *true* test of a soldier! Long live Roy!
No Death is noble (only a brain washed Zentraidie would think that),
only DEATH!
-Eriond-
Bob Bitchin'
b5sen...@aol.com (B5SENTINEL) wrote:
>PLEASE GOD NO!!!!! This is the most ludicrous and energy wasting thread I
>have ever seen. LET IT DIE!!!
Can someone please tell me if AOL's newsreader is capable of using
killfiles? I think if anyone needed to filter out threads they didn't
want to read, it's Tommy Boy here.
>Here's all you need to know:
>ROBOTECH RULES!!!!!!
>STAR TREK SUCKS!!!!!
Okay, if you're going to go there, then don't forget to mention that
Babylon 5 sucks, Star Wars sucks, and Battletech sucks. And talk of
what the Grand Cannon can do is STILL on topic, and still acceptable
for this newsgroup. That's all YOU need to know.
>and I am out,
>Tom
Here's a novel idea-- instead of whining about other threads, why
don't you contribute to some discussion? Your rants are a bigger
'waste of energy' than any Grand Cannon thread could ever be.
STERLIN614
I would have to say that Rick was the best he had a little something
special.
I mean he had it all mechamorphosis ability, Leadership ability, Combat
skills.
How else would he become one of the most decorated officers in the RDF
without these qualities. Not to mention he is my favorite character my
screen name would be different if somone didn't have it. Max was good but
all he had was that Zen ability for mechamorphosis, after all if he wa a
really good pilot he wouldn't have been shot down by his own daughter. Roy
had the combat skills but not quite the mechamorphosis ability. And I'm
sorry to say this but Scott Bernard was a Pu$$y.
but that's my opinion.
/* navorskatie */
KRISTOPHER L. CASTRO (hgl...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: > >>But Myria, only best by Max, I think is better than Roy, but we will
: > >>never know.
: > >We never actually saw Roy fight Miriya. They were both great pilots,
: > >but the only time Miriya is ever considered better than Roy was
: > >by McKinney, which we all never was that conclusive.
: riddled by Miriya.
yes, i agree that according to the footage, it certainly seems as if
miriya was responsible for hitting roy. but it's true to that at that
time, roy was not entirely concentrating on his immediate surroundings.
: > JasonMiriya didn't kill Roy she was to busy chasing Max. Miriya was out to
: get the the one piolt Kyron said she could not best. And the only piolt
: Khryon fought one on one was Rick Hunter in episode 8 Sweet Sixteen. And
: yes Roy did die from lack of blood, because he let the hospital with out
: treatment when he found out that Captain Kramer died.......
i'm a robotech purist, so i don't like that new storyline that mckinney
added.
--
Navorskatie
Ascii the right question and you'll get the right ansi!
Peter Walker
/* navorskatie */ (kst...@omega.uta.edu) wrote:
: : > JasonMiriya didn't kill Roy she was to busy chasing Max. Miriya was out to
: : get the the one piolt Kyron said she could not best. And the only piolt
: : Khryon fought one on one was Rick Hunter in episode 8 Sweet Sixteen. And
: : yes Roy did die from lack of blood, because he let the hospital with out
: : treatment when he found out that Captain Kramer died.......
: i'm a robotech purist, so i don't like that new storyline that mckinney
: added.
Except for the Kramer part, McKinney didn't add this - what he mentions is
verbatim show. Miyria *was* indeed fighting Max at the time, and was not the
one who killed Roy. Rick *was* probably the one Khyron was talking about when
he referred to a micronian ace, because Rick had fought Khyron to a stand-still
in "Sweet Sixteen" (whereas Khyron had never fought Max).
legi...@aol.com
>Except for the Kramer part, McKinney didn't add this - what he mentions is
>verbatim show. Miyria *was* indeed fighting Max at the time, and was not the
>one who killed Roy. Rick *was* probably the one Khyron was talking about when
>
>he referred to a micronian ace, because Rick had fought Khyron to a
>stand-still
>in "Sweet Sixteen" (whereas Khyron had never fought Max).
[Holding hand up]
"I swear this is absolutely my last response to this message thread. I acknowledge that, in the scheme of things, it really doesn't matter who killed Roy. It matters even less if my opinion is right or wrong."
[Lowering hand and stepping down off of soap box.]
Though I could possibly be wrong, I'm 80% sure that Miriya was the one who fired the shots that killed Roy. I am only going by the episode that I saw on television and on my laserdiscs. While I have read the McKinney books, I'm not using that in my opinion. I certainly don't consider myself an expert in all things Robotech. I'm just a fan and I don't have any need to start a flame war based on this topic.
Operatically, having Miriya kill Roy (was/would have been) a very effective scene. The old guard, Roy, being killed by the new guard, Miriya who was a very new character at that point, to make way for the other characters. Having Roy die because of lack of treatment would also carry this point as Roy himself acknowledging that his time was over. He was symbolic of the war veterans on Earth who only wanted to fight the enemy, while Miriya was the moving cause of the final peace.
What's more, having Miriya marry Max added to the situation. Rick's best friend was now marrying the woman who killed his 'older brother.' She was responsible for Rick moving up in rank as well as his character taking the limelight in the show. [Yes, I know, Rick did not know that Roy was killed by her personally, but the viewer did know.]
Having just a 'nameless' Quadronos kill Roy lessens the impact and serves no purpose what so ever. The scope of the entire series just isn't made to have a main character die for no apparent plot reason (as a nameless character killing him would have been). Even the death of Ben Dixon would have served a better plot reason than just having Roy shot down.
My last exhibit... The Robotech FAQ I found at http://www2.ncsu.edu/eos/users/r/rkswamy/www/roboFAQ.html a few months or so ago:
"ROY FOKKER
Japanese Name: Roy Focker American Voice Actor: Don Warner
Rick's mentor and "big brother", Roy Fokker is largely
responsible for getting Rick into the military in the first place.
Roy is a veteran pilot from the global civil war and was one of the
first test pilots for the Veritech fighter. Roy leads the famous
"Skull Squadron" of the SDF-1 until he is killed in combat by the ace
Zentraedi pilot Miriya. His death is a tremendous shock for Rick
Hunter, who relies heavily on the veteran pilot for advice."
Now I'm bowing out of the argument. When the dust settles, let me know who had the last say. :)
Jason
sw...@pomona.edu
I thought Roy let himself die (by not landing when one of his wingman or lisa
asked if he was ok cuz he was losing altitude) becuase he wanted to be known as
the man who was NEVER shot down. Thus, in order to keep this reputation, he
finished the mission even tho he was bleeding to death.
"Pride always comes before a downfall."