alt.tv.red-dwarf.series8
Tafka
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Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.tv.red-dwarf.series8
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:33:04 GMT
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Desire for a newsgroup related to Series VIII of Red Dwarf *ONLY* has
been desired to protect the intrests of fans around the world who
won't see Series8 for a while.
A full listing of the details will be sent to alt.config later.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.tv.red-dwarf.series8 Discussion for Series VIII of Red Dwarf
Charter:
Posting will be for all discussion of Series VIII that will be
seperated from the main RD newsgroup to protect the world-wide fans.
This split from the normal group will benefit and protect the non-uk
people from an excedingly high amount of traffic that they would only
delete.
Moderation would not be used.
Reviews, previews, news and ideas would be encouraged.
alt.tv.red-dwarf has around 100 posts per day and often rises higher
if a debate or intresting point is made.
Thank you.
-<My Name>-
-Tafka-
Look! I can be pointless too!
Tafka
Smegweb - www.bristol.u-net.com/smegweb/ wrote:
BTW, everyone e-mail your ISP admin peeps (he...@isp.net) or find out
what your newsgroup admin e-mail is (newsg...@u-net.net for me) and
ask them to add the newsgroup and put some reason or not.
That's if you want too :)
-Tafka-
Andrew R. Gillett
> Has been cmsg'd and *might* be created soon.
Umm...
I think this is a very bad idea - we have enough empty RD groups (like
alt.tv.red-dwarf.discussion, etc) - to create more is pointless, and an
abuse of Usenet. Did you propose it in alt.config?
You have to see the big picture - in five years, atvrd.series8 will be
another empty group in the hundreds of misguidedly created groups, and
people will say "What was the point of that?"
And you should at least have given it the right name - alt.tv.red-
dwarf.no-spoilers would be much more appropriate - what if RD doesn't end
at the end of series 8, will you create an alt.tv.red-dwarf.series9?
And look at all the other TV groups. ATVRD is the only one that I can
see with more than one spin-off group - why should we make more if the
current ones are empty? As for spoilers - how about uk.media.tv.red-
dwarf? That's how spoilers are usually avoided in other TV groups.
Of course, this post is probably pointless, I doubt it will be possible
to cancel the creation of the group, although if it wasn't proposed in
alt.config then it may get poor propogation. Nice one.
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Antony Edge
you look at the star trek newsgroups you see that there isn't a seperate
group for each series. Even though episodes of Star Trek get transmitted on
British TV (decades) after first appearing on american TV.
Antony Edge.
Andrew R. Gillett wrote in message ...
Tafka
of wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:06:48 -0000, arga...@fatal-design.com (Andrew
>R. Gillett) wrote:
>
>>In alt.tv.red-dwarf, Tafka wrote:
>>> Has been cmsg'd and *might* be created soon.
>>
>>Umm...
>>
>>I think this is a very bad idea - we have enough empty RD groups (like
>>alt.tv.red-dwarf.discussion, etc) - to create more is pointless, and an
>>abuse of Usenet. Did you propose it in alt.config?
>
>>And look at all the other TV groups. ATVRD is the only one that I can
>>see with more than one spin-off group - why should we make more if the
>>current ones are empty? As for spoilers - how about uk.media.tv.red-
>>dwarf? That's how spoilers are usually avoided in other TV groups.
>>
>>Of course, this post is probably pointless, I doubt it will be possible
>>to cancel the creation of the group, although if it wasn't proposed in
>>alt.config then it may get poor propogation. Nice one.
>
>I dont think its a bad idea. True, the new group will have a limited
>life span, but it is a good solution for dealing with spoilers for a
>new series coming out. The other RD groups were generated by people
>who were unhappy about some of the posters on this group and those
>were a waste. This one seems to have a specific aim, to avoid people
>inadvertantly finding out information about the new series
Innit. It'll have a life of close to a year I'd guess.
Abroad will get it later in the year and then we'll have the people
who missed it or something.
If there's been a long, long, long time without posting you can always
beg for it too be cancelled.
I dunno.
-Tafka-
Tafka
<aedge...@claranet.com> of wrote:
>I agree that there really shouldn't be any extra red dwarf newsgroups. If
>you look at the star trek newsgroups you see that there isn't a seperate
>group for each series. Even though episodes of Star Trek get transmitted on
>British TV (decades) after first appearing on american TV.
New star trek series and a new red dwarf series are *completely*
different. You're just being silly.
Anyway, with the amount of changes in-between series of RD people
would be upset knowing.
-Tafka-
Lee Weinert
>Has been cmsg'd and *might* be created soon.
It's a stupid idea and won't work.
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Lee Weinert
wrote:
>I dont think its a bad idea. True, the new group will have a limited
>life span, but it is a good solution for dealing with spoilers for a
>new series coming out. The other RD groups were generated by people
>who were unhappy about some of the posters on this group and those
>were a waste. This one seems to have a specific aim, to avoid people
>inadvertantly finding out information about the new series
But not everyone is going to have access to the new group. What are
people going to do, see the new group there and think 'oh that's where
I should put my views on series 8!' No, they'll cross post. This group
will still get all the spoiler posts.
Why on earth it wasn't discussed on the newsgroup in the first place,
I don't know.
Peter Chant
Good idea, I thought using alt.tv.red-dwarf.discussion, as it is unused might
be a good idea, but I suppose the separate name make sense.
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Tafka
The Cheese Emporium wrote:
>In article <36b76a6e...@news.u-net.com>,
> tom...@bristol.u-net.com (Tafka) writes:
>> Has been cmsg'd and *might* be created soon.
>
>Good idea, I thought using alt.tv.red-dwarf.discussion, as it is unused might
>be a good idea, but I suppose the separate name make sense.
No. It's a bad idea.
I forgive myself.
-OverRated-
Peter Chant
epi...@usa.net (Lee Weinert) writes:
>
> But not everyone is going to have access to the new group. What are
> people going to do, see the new group there and think 'oh that's where
> I should put my views on series 8!' No, they'll cross post. This group
> will still get all the spoiler posts.
>
Why is this? Are news servers in some places very selective as to what
they carry? Of course Demon have a full news feed. Ahhhh Smug mode.
> Why on earth it wasn't discussed on the newsgroup in the first place,
> I don't know.
>
At a guess, because there would be a thread about whether it would
be a good or bad thing that would last so long that they RD8 would have
been seen everywhere and therefore be redundant. Then the people who
said it was a bad thing [TM] would say I told you so.
But then I am being a cynic.
--
Peter Chant
pe...@neither.demon.co.uk
Obscure Delusions
new series is totally stupid. You think thats going to stop people talking
about in here? No it is not. Of course there is going to be people that
wan't to spoil it for all those people that won't see it later this month,
and you know what, I'm gonna be on of those people!!!
Tafka
Well ... you've just made fuck all sense.
You say it's a bad idea to encourage posting about Series VIII *AWAY*
from here to protect the people like yourself who will not see it?
You'd rather it all came here and you ended up reading it?
Well done.
-Tafka-
Obscure Delusions
Tafka wrote in message <36b6f190...@news.u-net.com>...
If you actually read what I wrote, you would see that I said, there is going
to be people that spoil it for others, and I am going to be one of those
people that spoil it!!!! Why should all those people that see Red Dwarf VIII
have to go somewhere else. If everyone that wants to talk about it say its a
spoiler first before giving anything away, then thats fine. But seriously,
you really think thats going to happen?
Steve B
this:
>Don't touch that dial, tom...@bristol.u-net.com (Tafka) just wrote:
>
>>Has been cmsg'd and *might* be created soon.
>
>It's a stupid idea and won't work.
I tend to agree. I thought that's what spoilers were for. We make
this big amendment to the Primer, and now you want to abandon it? I
think spoilers worked well for Series VII, and I don't see why we
can't make it work for Series VIII.
You can create all the groups you want to for talk about the new
Series, but there will always be rogue posters who, if they haven't
been around long enough to know about the spoiler rules that apply
here, they will almost certainly be unaware of the fact that there has
been a new group created for the discussion of Series VIII.
If someone wants to say something about Series VIII, chances are
they'll just post here, as opposed to set out looking for a group
specifically created.
It's up to you if you want to create a new group, but I really don't
think it's going to accomplish anything. I think it's overkill and
pointless and won't "save" those of us that don't live in the UK from
sensitive Series VIII information. There will be those (as evidenced
in this thread by Obscure Delusions) that will continue to post Series
VIII material here, whether you make this new group or not.
Just my $.02
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<obscure....@virgin.net> wrote:
>[...]and I am going to be one of those people that spoil it!!!!
Thanks for the warning.
--
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Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.
A. Rosin
The best solution is for people who wish to talk about RD, or about RD'ers
without discussing series 8 is to use atvrd.discussion to avoid being
spoiled, and for people to try and use spoiler space as appropriate here.
Series 8 stuff is going to be posted here, and it is right that this is so.
Creating another group will not change this, all it will do is lead to a
proliferation of shouting and flaming of people who post "inappropriately".
People can cross post as needed.
--
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Garth
> I think a new newsgroup kust so people HAVE to go there to talk about the
> new series is totally stupid. You think thats going to stop people talking
> about in here? No it is not.
erm, I think you've forgotten what the new one would be for... namely
those who don't want to know yet.... people will talk about it in atrd,
n0ot in the new one... clear?
> Of course there is going to be people that wan't to spoil it for all
> those people that won't see it later this month, and you know what, I'm
> gonna be on of those people!!!
oh that's really nice of you.. /sarcasm
chances are, it's possible that you won't be able to get it...
"Garth"
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Peter Chant
tom...@bristol.u-net.com (Tafka) writes:
> On 31 Jan 1999 22:19:15 GMT, pe...@neither.demon.co.uk (Peter Chant) of
> The Cheese Emporium wrote:
>
>>In article <36b76a6e...@news.u-net.com>,
>> tom...@bristol.u-net.com (Tafka) writes:
>>
>>be a good idea, but I suppose the separate name make sense.
>
> No. It's a bad idea.
>
> I forgive myself.
>
Not that I am being consistant, as in an earlier thread I suggested that
atvrdd might be used by people who _DON't_ want to talk about series 8.
This was in response to Barbra saying she was not going to read the
group until after she had seen 8.
--
Peter Chant
pe...@neither.demon.co.uk
Hadley Morgan Heald
(Tafka) posted something like:
erm...
I don't think that'll stop people posting series 8 stuff on this
group.
Someone else had a better idea and suggested using one of the dead
spin off groups that were created during one of the atvrd flame wars
for NON series 8 discussion.
-
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to top bloke Lynton,
who died last week of cancer, aged 29.
R.I.P.
The Cat
obscure....@virgin.net "Obscure Delusions" writes:
> about in here? No it is not. Of course there is going to be people that
> wan't to spoil it for all those people that won't see it later this month,
> and you know what, I'm gonna be on of those people!!!
Fore warned is fore armed.
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Garth
> tom...@bristol.u-net.com (Tafka) writes:
<snip>
> > I forgive myself.
> Not that I am being consistant, as in an earlier thread I suggested that
> atvrdd might be used by people who _DON't_ want to talk about series 8.
I thought that's what it was for.... and knowing my ISP (uni.) I'll be
stuck here, spoilers or no.
> This was in response to Barbra saying she was not going to read the
> group until after she had seen 8.
is also a good idea... as they[1] could avoid it[2] without accidently
stumpling on[2]
[1] the people who won't see 8 'til much later
[2] Spoiler(s)
[TJD]Rico
Andrew R. Gillett wrote in message ...
>In alt.tv.red-dwarf, Tafka wrote:
>
>
>I think this is a very bad
Friday agrees with Arganoid shocker!
I have to say that I do agree with the points Andrew has made.
atrd-series8 cannot really be justified. What is needed is
simply a robust and advertised spoiler policy. Oh, wait a mo...
We already have one of those. Well, waddya know.
[TJD]Rico
Tafka wrote in message <36b4b95...@news.u-net.com>...
>If there's been a long, long, long time without posting you can always
>beg for it too be cancelled.
A fine idea... in theory. The reality is that it is very difficult
to actually get alt.* newsgroups removed. They tend to remain,
cluttering up filesystems for aeons. Of course, if it didn't go
through alt.config it's unlikey that the group will get created by
many newsadmins anyway. If it did go through alt.config I'd
be very surprised if everyone there didn't shoot it down in a
large ball of flames like the dead duck it is.
Garth
> obscure....@virgin.net "Obscure Delusions" writes:
> > about in here? No it is not. Of course there is going to be people that
> > wan't to spoil it for all those people that won't see it later this month,
> > and you know what, I'm gonna be on of those people!!!
> Fore warned is fore armed.
no.. Goro is four armed...
sorry.. bad joke.. anyway, I for one will still stay here, despite not
having access to a tele (tv license to expensive..) , and have therefore
no choice in viewing spoilers, warning or not..
annoying .. yes?
Lee Weinert
wrote:
>In article <36b76a6e...@news.u-net.com>,
> tom...@bristol.u-net.com (Tafka) writes:
>> Has been cmsg'd and *might* be created soon.
>
>Good idea, I thought using alt.tv.red-dwarf.discussion, as it is unused might
>be a good idea, but I suppose the separate name make sense.
I thought alt.tv.red-dwarf.discussion was to be a place where we can
go in search of non-spoiler dwarf chat. That's what's needed.
Lee Weinert
<obscure....@virgin.net> just wrote:
>I think a new newsgroup kust so people HAVE to go there to talk about the
>new series is totally stupid. You think thats going to stop people talking
>about in here? No it is not. Of course there is going to be people that
>wan't to spoil it for all those people that won't see it later this month,
>and you know what, I'm gonna be on of those people!!!
If you deliberately go against the primer, then you are liable to be
hit by a barrage of complaints to your ISP. During Series 7 one
account was shut down because of this. Why do you wish to antagonise
everyone? Red Dwarf is a light hearted comedy, lets keep the chat that
way. Use spoiler space.
Lee Weinert
<obscure....@virgin.net> just wrote:
>If you actually read what I wrote, you would see that I said, there is going
>to be people that spoil it for others, and I am going to be one of those
>people that spoil it!!!! Why should all those people that see Red Dwarf VIII
>have to go somewhere else. If everyone that wants to talk about it say its a
>spoiler first before giving anything away, then thats fine.
As long as there are a screen full of blank lines after the warning,
then we're cool.
>But seriously,
>you really think thats going to happen?
Happened for the most part last time. I don't see why most people
can't follow the simple rules on it and post here (with spoiler
space).
Lee Weinert
>People can cross post as needed.
I'm against cross-posting, it'll lead to too many errors.
Lee Weinert
wrote:
>Not that I am being consistant, as in an earlier thread I suggested that
>atvrdd might be used by people who _DON't_ want to talk about series 8.
>This was in response to Barbra saying she was not going to read the
>group until after she had seen 8.
currently there seems to be a bit of a posting war between myself and
Tafka as to who can post the most. Come in everybody, the water's nice
and warm.
Lee Weinert
just wrote:
>I have to say that I do agree with the points Andrew has made.
>atrd-series8 cannot really be justified. What is needed is
>simply a robust and advertised spoiler policy. Oh, wait a mo...
>We already have one of those. Well, waddya know.
Are you going to post your 'no spoilers' post again?
I don't know what the state of Raz is anymore, but it appears to me
that the primer's not being posted any more (I haven't seen it for
ages). Let's get the advertising in.
DLister169
>Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.
That is one of my favorite movies, but not my most favorite line from it.
"You pompous, stuck up, snot nose, English, giant twerp dickhead fuckface
asshole!"
that would be it. I think I mis-quoted.
- -
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Skutter
mother's dog! :
> Of course there is going to be people that
>wan't to spoil it for all those people that won't see it later this month,
>and you know what, I'm gonna be on of those people!!!
<crackle> Captain, we have spoilers coming in at one o'clock! Over.
<crackle>
<crackle> Captain, it appears that they're heading *right* for us!
Over. <crackle>
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<crackle>Give or take, sir, about sixteen days! <crackle>
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<crackle> Recommended action, sir? <crackle>
<click> Um... just shoot the bastards down, Corporal. <click>
<crackle>*GASP* You mean... <crackle>
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"[TJD]Rico" <ri...@spamdefender.nildram.co.uk> wrote:
>
> If it did go through alt.config I'd
> be very surprised if everyone there didn't shoot it down in a
> large ball of flames like the dead duck it is.
>
Ang - so that's a good indicator that it'll proliferate.
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ChrisG
> What is needed is simply a robust and advertised spoiler policy.
I agree
A) mainly because I can't get any atvrd. group other than this one so I
would be excluded from s8 discussions
B) people will post here any way
C) most of what I post is thread drift and I don't like x-posts
But hey, my voice on this group is a small one (I am "newsgroup nobody"
after all) ;O)
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> I don't know what the state of Raz is anymore, but it appears to me
> that the primer's not being posted any more
* NEWSFLASH *
The primer auto-poster was cancelled a little while ago.
A shiny new primer may be posted, and he is a confirmed passenger on
starship atvrd.org
Garth
> >heid...@fishnet.net
> >Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.
> That is one of my favorite movies, but not my most favorite line from it.
> "You pompous, stuck up, snot nose, English, giant twerp dickhead fuckface
> asshole!"
> that would be it. I think I mis-quoted.
wasn't one of the words 'Arrogant'? of have I made that up...
A fish Called Wanda... one of my top 100 films of the millenium..
Patrick M. Berry
> Lee Weinert wrote:
> > I don't know what the state of Raz is anymore, but it appears to me
> > that the primer's not being posted any more
>
> * NEWSFLASH *
> The primer auto-poster was cancelled a little while ago.
By whom? Raz set it up originally, so he should be the only one who can
stop posting of it (unless he shared the password with someone).
> A shiny new primer may be posted, and he is a confirmed passenger on
> starship atvrd.org
Is that site operational yet? I don't seem to be able to access it.
Garth
> I agree
>
> A) mainly because I can't get any atvrd. group other than this one so I
> would be excluded from s8 discussions
Same here... and as mine is for *academic* usage only.. asking for another
rd ng wouldn't be a good idea..
> B) people will post here any way
yup.
> C) most of what I post is thread drift and I don't like x-posts
not for off from mine...
> But hey, my voice on this group is a small one (I am "newsgroup nobody"
> after all) ;O)
I am.. "newsgroup student" so I'm slightly somebody.
Gimbal
>I don't know what the state of Raz is anymore, but it appears to me
>ages). Let's get the advertising in.
>
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~gimbal/index.html
If Raz isn't around I could post a text version here. Let me know.
Ian
gim...@globalnet.co.uk ICQ# 21960369
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~gimbal/index.html
These are The UNofficial ATVRD pages.
Sea
"Gimbal" <gim...@globalnet.co.uk> has stated:
>If Raz isn't around I could post a text version here. Let me know.
Raz gave up on the Primer because no one seemed to pay it any
attention, too many people used it as fuel for arguments, and trying
to get an agreement on what should go into it was almost impossible.
The auto-posting stopped a good while back, now, and no one even
noticed. Given all that, what's the point?
If you do want to use a primer, though, why not make a new one from
scratch - or at least work out what to keep from the old one - instead
of just reposting it blindly and repeatedly?
Lee Weinert
>Lee Weinert wrote:
>> I don't know what the state of Raz is anymore, but it appears to me
>> that the primer's not being posted any more
>
>* NEWSFLASH *
>The primer auto-poster was cancelled a little while ago.
>A shiny new primer may be posted, and he is a confirmed passenger on
>starship atvrd.org
Damn, where to a get a third class ticket? I hear the walls are a
lovely shade of pink and the noise from the waste disposal is hardy
noticeable.
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ber...@aur.alcatel.com (Patrick M. Berry) has stated:
>By whom? Raz set it up originally, so he should be the only one who can
>stop posting of it (unless he shared the password with someone).
Raz stopped it.
Peter Chant
epi...@usa.net (Lee Weinert) writes:
> currently there seems to be a bit of a posting war between myself and
> Tafka as to who can post the most. Come in everybody, the water's nice
> and warm.
>
well, I have started as well, an I just noticed Ang has also started.
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Peter Chant
epi...@usa.net (Lee Weinert) writes:
>
> I thought alt.tv.red-dwarf.discussion was to be a place where we can
> go in search of non-spoiler dwarf chat. That's what's needed.
>
--
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pe...@neither.demon.co.uk
Trevor Bannock
>
> Don't touch that dial, lis...@liverpool.ac.uk ( A. Rosin) just wrote:
>
> >People can cross post as needed.
>
> I'm against cross-posting, it'll lead to too many errors.
Yeah, cross-posting very bad. Much better to post when in a good mood
(Happy-posting)
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Lee Weinert
>>If Raz isn't around I could post a text version here. Let me know.
>
>Raz gave up on the Primer because no one seemed to pay it any
>attention, too many people used it as fuel for arguments, and trying
>to get an agreement on what should go into it was almost impossible.
I can see why that might be the case, but on balance it did much more
good than bad. Seems to me amending it didn't take that much agreement
anyway. Mostly Raz said 'is this OK?' and everyone promptly ignored
him.
>The auto-posting stopped a good while back, now, and no one even
>noticed. Given all that, what's the point?
I noticed. On the whole the level of 'messy' posts, tests, binaries
etc, has been at a good level, so I didn't feel the need to comment.
The approach of a new series probably means lots of new people, so
it's needed again.
>If you do want to use a primer, though, why not make a new one from
>scratch - or at least work out what to keep from the old one - instead
>of just reposting it blindly and repeatedly?
Fair enough, can I have the latest copy of the old one? The primer was
one of the first things I read here and was very useful, it'd be sad
to see it go for ever.
Lee Weinert
wrote:
>In article <36c352c0...@news.netlink.net.au>,
> epi...@usa.net (Lee Weinert) writes:
>>
>> I thought alt.tv.red-dwarf.discussion was to be a place where we can
>> go in search of non-spoiler dwarf chat. That's what's needed.
>>
>Including or excluding series 8?
Excluding
Heidster
wrote:
>>heid...@fishnet.net
>>Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.
>
>That is one of my favorite movies, but not my most favorite line from it.
>"You pompous, stuck up, snot nose, English, giant twerp dickhead fuckface
>asshole!"
>that would be it. I think I mis-quoted.
Hmmm... nearly there.
"You pompous, snot-nosed, stuck-up, English, giant, twerp, scumbag,
dickhead, fuckface asshole!!"
"How very interesting. You're a true vulgarian, aren't you?"
"You're the vulgarian, you FUCK! Now apologize!"
--
heid...@fishnet.net
There'll be no horses at the ball!
ChrisG
> Is that site operational yet? I don't seem to be able to access it.
Still not set up, I am chasing it up as best I can but the smeggers
figure that as I am not paying for it I can wait :O/
ChrisG
> I am.. "newsgroup student" so I'm slightly somebody.
Heh, why not be "Newsgroup Slightly Somebody" ;O)
ChrisG
> Damn, where to a get a third class ticket? I hear the walls are a
> lovely shade of pink and the noise from the waste disposal is hardy
> noticeable.
I think you are mistaking it for the tunnel of lurve ;O)
--
Everyone is welcome aboard starship atvrd.org
ChrisG
> If you do want to use a primer, though, why not make a new one
I think the RazPrimer is as good as a primer could be, what would be the
point in doing a new primer when there is only a slim chance it could be
anything other than inferior?
The main reason I didn't comment when Raz made suggestions/changes was I
don't like posting "I agree" without adding anything useful.
I'm a tad dissapointed he won't be keeping it going, when I asked Raz if
he would produce a new primer he seemed kinda agreeable, but you know
him far better than I do! ;O)
Like Lee, I found the primer a good intro to the group. I don't think
Cat had started mailing his welcome message at that point. Reading the
primer gave me lots of the useful info you need when you are a newbie
and gave me the impression the ng was a civilised place to hang out.
Going back to a discussion we had not so long ago about community, I
think every community needs some sort of primer, a kinda preemptive
strike against misbehaviour.
Out of all the documents the Internet Red Dwarf fan base has created, I
think the FAQ and the Primer are the most important. We need them.
--
Patrick M. Berry
> If you do want to use a primer, though, why not make a new one from
> scratch - or at least work out what to keep from the old one - instead
> of just reposting it blindly and repeatedly?
Actually, I've been thinking lately that the FAQ is really too big to be
auto-posted here in its entirety. And I've been mulling over the idea of
creating a sort of mini-FAQ, a kind of "Welcome to a.t.r.d!" thing, that
would serve as a pointer to the full-fledged FAQ on my Web site. It could
be auto-posted weekly without being too much of an annoyance, if it were
small enough.
Perhaps the Primer-type information could be incorporated into that.
Does that sound like a good idea?
Garth
> 'Garth' wrote:
> > I am.. "newsgroup student" so I'm slightly somebody.
>
> Heh, why not be "Newsgroup Slightly Somebody" ;O)
maybe next year ;-)
Tafka
Using netlink wrote:
>Don't touch that dial, "[TJD]Rico" <ri...@spamdefender.nildram.co.uk>
>just wrote:
>
>>I have to say that I do agree with the points Andrew has made.
>>atrd-series8 cannot really be justified. What is needed is
>>simply a robust and advertised spoiler policy. Oh, wait a mo...
>>We already have one of those. Well, waddya know.
>
>Are you going to post your 'no spoilers' post again?
>
>I don't know what the state of Raz is anymore, but it appears to me
>that the primer's not being posted any more (I haven't seen it for
>ages). Let's get the advertising in.
I thought it was still on the auto-post.
-Tafka-
Tafka
Using netlink wrote:
>Don't touch that dial, pe...@neither.demon.co.uk (Peter Chant) just
>wrote:
>
>>Not that I am being consistant, as in an earlier thread I suggested that
>>atvrdd might be used by people who _DON't_ want to talk about series 8.
>>This was in response to Barbra saying she was not going to read the
>>group until after she had seen 8.
>
>currently there seems to be a bit of a posting war between myself and
>Tafka as to who can post the most. Come in everybody, the water's nice
>and warm.
But due to parental divisions and only one computer upon which I can
access the internet I have only 7 out of 14 days (with occasional
addons) which are .net accessable. Thus I concede and you win.
-Tafka-
But I'll kill you when I'm around :)
The Cat
ber...@aur.alcatel.com "Patrick M. Berry" writes:
> In article <36b7663...@news.demon.co.uk>, s...@hawkida.demon.co.uk (Sea)
> writes:
>
> > If you do want to use a primer, though, why not make a new one from
> > scratch - or at least work out what to keep from the old one - instead
> > of just reposting it blindly and repeatedly?
>
> Actually, I've been thinking lately that the FAQ is really too big to be
> auto-posted here in its entirety.
I have said in the past that the FAQ should include questions
about this newsgroup and not just about the show. It is the
a.tv.r-d FAQ, not the Red Dwarf FAQ.
--
Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain, where rocking horse people
eat marshmellow pies.
DLister169
"I Wendy, I Wanda, I wonder. . ."
enough. Good night.
- -
"Darling?"
"Yes, Dear?"
Lee Weinert
>Lee Weinert wrote:
>> Damn, where to a get a third class ticket? I hear the walls are a
>> lovely shade of pink and the noise from the waste disposal is hardy
>> noticeable.
>
>I think you are mistaking it for the tunnel of lurve ;O)
Quote was from Douglas Adam's 'Starship Titanic' (Written by Terry
Jones), and is one of the funniest books I've read in quite a while.
Lee Weinert
wrote:
>Actually, I've been thinking lately that the FAQ is really too big to be
>auto-posted here in its entirety.
Then split it into 2 parts. Personally I still think it should be
posted fortnightly.
>Perhaps the Primer-type information could be incorporated into that.
>Does that sound like a good idea?
Would still prefer the primer.
Lil Heather
Patrick M. Berry wrote in message <799mco$t6k$1...@aurwww.aur.alcatel.com>...
>Perhaps the Primer-type information could be incorporated into that.
>Does that sound like a good idea?
>
I think that sounds like a really good idea. Just a few basics - the most
faq's of the FAQ. Without going into huge detail. So it wouldn't intimidate
people right off the bat.
Very good. I would support that wholeheartedly.
Heather, thinking a little knowledge can be a good thing.
Garth
> Don't touch that dial, ber...@aur.alcatel.com (Patrick M. Berry) just
> wrote:
> >Actually, I've been thinking lately that the FAQ is really too big to be
> >auto-posted here in its entirety.
> Then split it into 2 parts. Personally I still think it should be
> posted fortnightly.
a good idea...
> >Perhaps the Primer-type information could be incorporated into that.
> >Does that sound like a good idea?
> Would still prefer the primer.
and having the primer added on, would make it bigger, and therefore
worse..
"Garth" - sheep.exe, watch a sheep wander around the screen.. fun.
Garth
> Patrick M. Berry wrote in message <799mco$t6k$1...@aurwww.aur.alcatel.com>...
> >Does that sound like a good idea?
> faq's of the FAQ. Without going into huge detail. So it wouldn't intimidate
> people right off the bat.
and the rest on say on the second part, or, more easier, on the end of the
FAQ, a reference as to where the whole mujambo file is..
> Very good. I would support that wholeheartedly.
It is... and I do support it..
Carefull.. I know a song called "Whole-Hearted" and you don't want me to
sing that... not know anyway..
> Heather, thinking a little knowledge can be a good thing.
"The mind is a terrible thing to wast somebody with.." - Sledgehammer.
"Garth"
ChrisG
> I've been mulling over the idea of
> creating a sort of mini-FAQ, a kind of "Welcome to a.t.r.d!" thing
> Does that sound like a good idea?
Sounds groovy to me :O)
[TJD]Rico
>Actually, I've been thinking lately that the FAQ is really too big to be
>auto-posted here in its entirety.
No it's not. It's way smaller than a lot or USENET FAQs -- a good
number get posted in a number of parts because they're so large.
>creating a sort of mini-FAQ, a kind of "Welcome to a.t.r.d!" thing, that
>would serve as a pointer to the full-fledged FAQ on my Web site.
No, the full FAQ must be posted to the newsgroup. That's what
it is for - to be posted to the newsgroup. It might also be held on
a Web site, but it must not *exclusivle* live on a Web site.
You cannot assume that people can or want to go trotting off to
a Web site. Far better that the whole thing is delivered right
to their door. An X-header or fixed title enables people to make
use of killfiles or filter rules if they don't want to see it. Most
regulars will do just that, leaving only the newcomers to see it,
and they are precisely who it is most squarely aimed it.
>Perhaps the Primer-type information could be incorporated into that.
>Does that sound like a good idea?
Only if the additions are FAQs. "May I post binaries here? No." - OK.
"Don't call people names" - not OK.
Patrick M. Berry
> Don't touch that dial, ber...@aur.alcatel.com (Patrick M. Berry) just
> wrote:
>
> >auto-posted here in its entirety.
>
> posted fortnightly.
It hasn't been posted fortnightly for over six months, and no one has
complained. Or even noticed.
val the slacker
>
>No, the full FAQ must be posted to the newsgroup. That's what
>it is for - to be posted to the newsgroup. It might also be held on
>a Web site, but it must not *exclusivle* live on a Web site.
>
>You cannot assume that people can or want to go trotting off to
>a Web site. Far better that the whole thing is delivered right
>to their door.
I know y'all don't know me, but I did recently have a hell of a time finding
all that info! And ->smeg!<- I kept accidentally jumping back to the UseNet
FAQ etc!
Please take that advice!
--
Val the slacker
"Please don't feed the dust bunnies."
watch for the official dust bunny research site!
coming soon!
Lee Weinert
wrote:
>> Then split it into 2 parts. Personally I still think it should be
>> posted fortnightly.
>
>It hasn't been posted fortnightly for over six months, and no one has
>complained. Or even noticed.
Wrong on both counts.
Also wrong was your assumption that no-one noticed it's absence, when
I have copies of a post saying that I hadn't seen it for a while. If
you don't read everything that gets posted here, then stop making
these rash statements. :)
Patrick M. Berry
> Don't touch that dial, ber...@aur.alcatel.com (Patrick M. Berry) just
> wrote:
>
> >> Then split it into 2 parts. Personally I still think it should be
> >> posted fortnightly.
> >
> >It hasn't been posted fortnightly for over six months, and no one has
> >complained. Or even noticed.
>
> Wrong on both counts.
>
> Also wrong was your assumption that no-one noticed it's absence, when
> I have copies of a post saying that I hadn't seen it for a while. If
> you don't read everything that gets posted here, then stop making
> these rash statements. :)
I look at the article headers here every day. If the FAQ is mentioned in
the header, I always read the article. I also generally read anything
about Series 8 or that seems to relate to news about the show. I don't
read every article, because the idle chatter, flames, and newsgroup
politics would drive me insane.
If you said that you hadn't seen the FAQ for a while in a thread about
something else, it's quite likely that I would have missed that article.
However, I believe that if anyone were seriously concerned about the FAQ's
posting frequency, they would send me e-mail about it. No one has.
Garth
> [TJD]Rico wrote in message <36b99...@glitch.nildram.co.uk>...
> >You cannot assume that people can or want to go trotting off to
> >a Web site. Far better that the whole thing is delivered right
> >to their door.
> I know y'all don't know me, but I did recently have a hell of a time finding
> all that info! And ->smeg!<- I kept accidentally jumping back to the UseNet
> FAQ etc!
ok... but why? I mean, searching for: "Red-Dwarf FAQ" shouldn't be that
hard, should it?
> Please take that advice!
and do what with it?
[why I want to sing "big fat ass" by Joe Pesci, escapes me right now.]
CLock35582
In article <918058...@nospam.demon.co.uk>, C...@nospam.demon.co.uk (The Cat)
writes:
>I have said in the past that the FAQ should include questions
>about this newsgroup and not just about the show. It is the
>a.tv.r-d FAQ, not the Red Dwarf FAQ.
>
I had always thought that the primer was more to do with this n.g and the FAQ
to do with RD itself.
Col
I'm going to rescue him. It's my duty. It's my duty as a complete and utter
bastard!
Arnold Judas Rimmer
val the slacker
>ok... but why? I mean, searching for: "Red-Dwarf FAQ" shouldn't be that
>hard, should it?
try it. See how many matches you get and assume you've never seen any of
the UK stuff before. Now try it from the links given by members. It might
work a little better now that people have updated some things, but let me
assure you: to someone who's never looked for a primer before, it was hell!
>> Please take that advice!
>
>and do what with it?
Serve it with spam vindaloo?
>[why I want to sing "big fat ass" by Joe Pesci, escapes me right now.]
Sorry, that's me. I evoke that response from people. Here - let me wedge
into these tight bluejeans. There, now you should want to sing the Barney
song. ; )-
--
Val the slacker
"Please don't feed the dust bunnies."
look for the dust bunny research site - coming soon to a URL near you!
Garth
> 'Garth' wrote in message ...
> >ok... but why? I mean, searching for: "Red-Dwarf FAQ" shouldn't be that
> >hard, should it?
> try it. See how many matches you get and assume you've never seen any of
> the UK stuff before. Now try it from the links given by members. It might
> work a little better now that people have updated some things, but let me
> assure you: to someone who's never looked for a primer before, it was hell!
Am doing... of course, I was talking about the FAQ, not the Primer....
hang on.. I spy (though ableit about a year and a half out /08/97) the
Red-Dwarf FAQ on my very own pages,
http://www.comp.brad.ac.uk/~gward/reddwarf/RDFAQ.txt
of course the updated version is at:
http://home.interpath.net/pat/rd/faq.html
for the primer try :
http://www.mushroom.demon.co.uk/red-dwarf/primer/primer.html
> >[why I want to sing "big fat ass" by Joe Pesci, escapes me right now.]
> Sorry, that's me. I evoke that response from people. Here - let me wedge
> into these tight bluejeans. There, now you should want to sing the Barney
> song. ; )-
nooooooooooooooooo... Barney is evil!... I'd rather sing the tellytubbies
song and actually like it... ick, ick, a purple dinosaur, ick, ick.
/me vomits in vomit bucket..
Peter Chant
'Garth' <gw...@dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk> writes:
>
> nooooooooooooooooo... Barney is evil!... I'd rather sing the tellytubbies
> song and actually like it... ick, ick, a purple dinosaur, ick, ick.
>
Have you seen the Bert is Evil web site. Rather good.
--
Peter Chant
pe...@neither.demon.co.uk
Garth
> 'Garth' <gw...@dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk> writes:
> > nooooooooooooooooo... Barney is evil!... I'd rather sing the tellytubbies
> > song and actually like it... ick, ick, a purple dinosaur, ick, ick.
> Have you seen the Bert is Evil web site. Rather good.
Bert?!?!
Steve B
typed this:
>In article <Pine.SOL.4.02A.99020...@dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk>,
> 'Garth' <gw...@dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>> nooooooooooooooooo... Barney is evil!... I'd rather sing the tellytubbies
>> song and actually like it... ick, ick, a purple dinosaur, ick, ick.
>>
>
>Have you seen the Bert is Evil web site. Rather good.
Some of it's really funny (Bert and OJ) and some if it's really stupid
(Bert at Woodstock).
I don't remember the URL offhand, otherwise, I'd post it...
--
Breathe the pressure, Come play my game I'll test ya.
Psychosomatic addict, insane.
Come play my game. Inhale, inhale, you're the victim.
Come play my game. Exhale, exhale, exhale.
Lil Heather
Steve B wrote in message <36bfaabb...@news.primary.net>...
>Some of it's really funny (Bert and OJ) and some if it's really stupid
>(Bert at Woodstock).
>
>I don't remember the URL offhand, otherwise, I'd post it...
http://fractalcow.com/bert/bert.htm will get youto a bunch of mirror sites.
Heather
Geoff Morris
>In article <Pine.SOL.4.02A.99020...@dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk>,
> 'Garth' <gw...@dcsun4.comp.brad.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>> nooooooooooooooooo... Barney is evil!... I'd rather sing the tellytubbies
>> song and actually like it... ick, ick, a purple dinosaur, ick, ick.
And it's a MICROSOFT purple dinosaur... one that SPEAKS to your
CHILDREN!!!!!
<shiver> <cringe>....
>Have you seen the Bert is Evil web site. Rather good.
Ooohh noooo! It's gone all %$^&$ing porn-site... three hours waiting
for five thousand banners to download... doh!
--
Geoff