JANET CHOI: EXPOSED
Joshua Shen
Well, I go to school at Northwestern with her. Everything you guys have
said is true.
I was in a class with her (Journalism writing with Prof. Nelson), and as
strong progressive Asian man, she was clearly not happy with me. (While I
hung out with the black sisters in the class and we would joke about race,
Janet sat across the room always uncomfortable with us.)
She hung out with her sorority friends and swooned at every white guy she
meets. I haven't seen her yet on TV, but I'm guessing that she's the same
way.
Trust me, the Asian community at Northwestern gave a collective "Uhgg"
when we read in our campus newspaper about Janet's selection. As sell-outs
go, she's the cream of the crop.
It's all laughable. But as to my Asian brothers, don't flip out. The
majority of Asian sisters are down with us. It's no use crying over just
one whiggie.
And if they're not down with us, then it's their loss. Ask any white woman
who's had an Asian lover whether Asian guys are better than whites. You'll
find that in general we are just better lovers.
If you want to get mad, get mad at the white media establishment that
perpetuates images of Asian men as weak and Asian women as nothing but
sexual beings eager to hop on a white dick.
Thus, don't watch MTV.
joshua shen
--
Joshua Shen
Northwestern University
ana...@nwu.edu
re...@hotmail.com
ana...@nwu.edu (Joshua Shen) wrote:
I'm not Asian, but it sounds to me like you're really on target-
Very well put and enlightening.
JD
ana...@nwu.edu (Joshua Shen) wrote:
> and as
>strong progressive Asian man, she was clearly not happy with me.
Wow, you must have had some intimate discussions with her to discover
this. Or maybe you just made some big assumptions.
>Trust me, the Asian community at Northwestern gave a collective "Uhgg"
>when we read in our campus newspaper about Janet's selection.
I wonder what the Irish community (hey! that's mine, apparently) thought.
Maybe they gave a collective "Whogivesashit!"
>If you want to get mad, get mad at the white media establishment that
>perpetuates images of Asian men as weak and Asian women as nothing but
>sexual beings eager to hop on a white dick.
No, Josh, I'd rather laugh at your insecurities of losing Janet to some
white meat.
You make this bitter post about how you are annoyed with her, then dismiss
her as not worth it...it doesn't make sense. Then you take a shot at the
white media establishment, saying that Asian men are portrayed as "weak."
Funny, I've never got that impression. It must be because I'm white.
JD...who thinks Janet is good looking anyhow
Sam4174
thank you Josh...jumping to conclusions my ass...i knew she was a sellout...and
no i'm not saying it's wrong to date outside your race; i'm saying it's wrong
to do it EXCLUSIVELY
>Well, I go to school at Northwestern with her. Everything you guys have
>said is true.
>
>I was in a class with her (Journalism writing with Prof. Nelson), and as
>strong progressive Asian man, she was clearly not happy with me. (While I
>hung out with the black sisters in the class and we would joke about race,
>Janet sat across the room always uncomfortable with us.)
>
>She hung out with her sorority friends and swooned at every white guy she
>meets. I haven't seen her yet on TV, but I'm guessing that she's the same
>way.
>
>Trust me, the Asian community at Northwestern gave a collective "Uhgg"
>when we read in our campus newspaper about Janet's selection. As sell-outs
>go, she's the cream of the crop.
>
>It's all laughable. But as to my Asian brothers, don't flip out. The
>majority of Asian sisters are down with us. It's no use crying over just
>one whiggie.
>
>And if they're not down with us, then it's their loss. Ask any white woman
>who's had an Asian lover whether Asian guys are better than whites. You'll
>find that in general we are just better lovers.
>
>If you want to get mad, get mad at the white media establishment that
>perpetuates images of Asian men as weak and Asian women as nothing but
>sexual beings eager to hop on a white dick.
>
Nick Carraway
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
> the Asian American community is not speaking out about this. Having
> their very own Asian American "Spike Lee" would be a good start.
FWIW, one of my former roommates is Asian and just completed an independent
film. Of course, both leads were white.
JD
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:30:06 -0400, fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD)
>wrote:
>
>>Then you take a shot at the
>>white media establishment, saying that Asian men are portrayed as "weak."
>>Funny, I've never got that impression. It must be because I'm white.
>
>Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
>positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
>DON'T involve martial arts!)
>
>In the American entertainment industry, Asian men are either
> a) good at math
> b) adept in the skills of martial arts
> c) house boys or servants
> d) evil, sinister, kniving, or full of Confuscious wisdom
> e) ridiculous or foolish looking characters
OK!! Wow! You've stumped me! Damn, and I thought I had you trapped.
Apparently, the five charicatures you name are weak.
Oh wait, something very relative comes to mind *without* even having to
think about it: Pam from the Real World. Let's see, she's
strong....she's doing noble things with her career. Oh, I guess she
doesn't count because she's banging whitey. Under your rules, Asian women
must be subserviant to Asian men and they lose their credibility if they
date or blow whitey.
>They are never portrayed as sexy, strong, handsome, romantic, funny,
>sensitive, kind, and you get the picture.
Really, I don't have time to go through every show on TV and movies that
portray Asians.
>In the meantime, Asian women are either
> a) submissive
> b)exotic beauties adept with special sexual talents that no
>white women could possess.
> c)lotus blossoms
What about that Asian woman who was on The Single Guy? You're wrong again.
>I could go on. The point is, Hollywood has yet to break the Asian
>American stereotypes that have been present for decades now in the
>film industry.
Look what the hell is coming out of Asian cinema! What do you expect?
>The problem is, Hollywood doesn't think these issues will sell.
>Perhaps this is true, but this is extremely unfortunate and somebody's
>got to start somewhere.
Oh Monica...I suppose Hollywood should just go and make movies that won't
sell. How about a movie like "Joy Luck Club." Well, that movie only won
Oscars. There have been numerous beautiful movies about Vietnam. There
are so many examples!
Sure, there's not an all-Asian sitcom on TV yet. That's because there's
not an audience! Take a look at Cable TV next time you're in NYC and
you'll see that Asians get plenty of relative time on local access.
Your argument is full of holes, and you look bad playing the victim.
JD...DAMN, if it wasn't for Boston Common, there'd be nothing remotely
Irish on TV except for St. Patrick's Day, when the Irish are stereotyped
as drunks. What on earth am I to do?
The Typist
Silly, silly, silly.
Stan
What but the wolf's tooth whittled so fine
the fleet limbs of the antelope?
......Robinson Jeffers......
Nick Carraway
JD wrote:
> than any Asian, including in all of Asia. So does Arnold Schwartzenegger,
> but I suppose we have to disqualify him since he's originally from
> Austrailia...what a minute, how are Australians breaking the secret code
> and permeating U.S...
Actually, Arnold's from Austria. "Guten tag", not "g'day."
Nick Carraway
JD wrote:
> Nick, I'm guessing your former roommates dates only white women.
He did date at least one white woman in college (during the time I knew him).
And he got married last year, but I have no idea about his current wife.
> All the millions of Asians in this country, and he picked two white people
> to lead his movie. I guess he must not really be an Asian, right?
One of the leads is another former roommate, so perhaps he cast people he knew,
like many independent filmmakers. Anyone can read into that as they may.
(Sarcasm received, BTW)
mp...@tdn.com
>Then you take a shot at the
>white media establishment, saying that Asian men are portrayed as "weak."
>Funny, I've never got that impression. It must be because I'm white.
Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
DON'T involve martial arts!)
In the American entertainment industry, Asian men are either
a) good at math
b) adept in the skills of martial arts
c) house boys or servants
d) evil, sinister, kniving, or full of Confuscious wisdom
e) ridiculous or foolish looking characters
They are never portrayed as sexy, strong, handsome, romantic, funny,
sensitive, kind, and you get the picture.
In the meantime, Asian women are either
a) submissive
b)exotic beauties adept with special sexual talents that no
white women could possess.
c)lotus blossoms
I could go on. The point is, Hollywood has yet to break the Asian
American stereotypes that have been present for decades now in the
film industry. Apparently, Hollywood thinks the American public
wouldn't believe in a story where a Julia Roberts, or Sandra Bullock,
or <insert sexy leading female actress here> falls in love with a
Russell Wong-type (and oh my is he nice to look at). Unfortunately,
the Asian American community is not speaking out about this. Having
their very own Asian American "Spike Lee" would be a good start.
The problem is, Hollywood doesn't think these issues will sell.
Perhaps this is true, but this is extremely unfortunate and somebody's
got to start somewhere.
-Monica
PSTGWT
>thank you Josh...jumping to conclusions my ass...i knew she was a
>no i'm not saying it's wrong to date outside your race; i'm saying it's
>to do it EXCLUSIVELY<BR>
Give me a break with you people... who are any of you to say she can or cannot
date white people or any race for that matter? Even exclusively? What's wrong
with that?
I'll bet that every single person that reads this newsgroup has their own taste
in what they like, and don't generally, if ever, date outside what is
attractive to them... if you don't like fat, you don't look for fat... if you
don't like thin, you don't look for thin...
Sounds to me like a bunch of bitter people insecure with their own mediocrity
of a girl, Janet, who apparently feels no shame for demonstrating her own
opinions and values.
G
Nankitkat
>
>Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
>positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that DON'T
involve martial arts!)
--wasn't there some made-for-tv movie, cinderella, where brandy was cinderella
and some asian guy was the prince? i totally swear by this!
however, i agree, the representation of both asian males and females leaves a
lot more to be desired.
to make this not a totally off-topic post, i have this question for all the
posters who try to justify what they say about not being against interracial
dating per se, but dating outside the race exclusively, HOW do we know this
about janet choi until she shows us what she's about more and more into the
season? and even if she doesn't end up dating any asian men, who's to say that
the absence of one thing proves another? what about availability? janet's far
from being my fave character so far--as everyone has already said, her
cattiness with lindsay, phoniness, etc., etc. but still. alright, that's all.
CozmicGirl
From: ana...@nwu.edu (Joshua Shen)
> and swooned at every white guy she
>meets.
Has it ever occured to you that she's not attracted to white guys?
CozmicGirl
>i'm saying it's wrong
Do you think it's wrong to date in your race EXCLUSIVELY?
CozmicGirl
From: mp...@tdn.com
>They are never portrayed as sexy, strong, handsome, romantic, funny,
>sensitive, kind, and you get the picture.
Actually, there was that TV show American Girl or something that are Margaret
Chow (Choi? something like that) and she had a brother played by BD Wong, I
think. He was very funny.
Gerard L. Pasion
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:54:34 GMT, mp...@tdn.com wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:30:06 -0400, fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD)
>wrote:
>
>>Then you take a shot at the
>>white media establishment, saying that Asian men are portrayed as "weak."
>>Funny, I've never got that impression. It must be because I'm white.
>
>Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
>positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
>DON'T involve martial arts!)
>
>In the American entertainment industry, Asian men are either
> a) good at math
> b) adept in the skills of martial arts
> c) house boys or servants
> d) evil, sinister, kniving, or full of Confuscious wisdom
> e) ridiculous or foolish looking characters
>
>They are never portrayed as sexy, strong, handsome, romantic, funny,
>sensitive, kind, and you get the picture.
>
>In the meantime, Asian women are either
> a) submissive
> b)exotic beauties adept with special sexual talents that no
>white women could possess.
> c)lotus blossoms
>
>I could go on. The point is, Hollywood has yet to break the Asian
>American stereotypes that have been present for decades now in the
>film industry. Apparently, Hollywood thinks the American public
>wouldn't believe in a story where a Julia Roberts, or Sandra Bullock,
>or <insert sexy leading female actress here> falls in love with a
>Russell Wong-type (and oh my is he nice to look at). Unfortunately,
>the Asian American community is not speaking out about this. Having
>their very own Asian American "Spike Lee" would be a good start.
>
>The problem is, Hollywood doesn't think these issues will sell.
>Perhaps this is true, but this is extremely unfortunate and somebody's
>got to start somewhere.
>
>-Monica
I return the compliment. WONDERFULLY written, Monica!!!!!!
You expanded on what I wrote earlier and justified my sentiments :).
Unfortunately, most people will be totally oblivious to what you just
wrote and most probably won't want to believe it. The person you were
replying to certainly belonged in that group. Society tends to like
to keep the status quo and change always come about with a certain
degree of reluctance.
Art does not always imitate life.
Peace,
Gerard
bliz...@bellatlantic.net
In article <fourwordmktg-1...@ip81.atlanta14.ga.pub-ip.psi.net>,
fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD) wrote:
>
> ana...@nwu.edu (Joshua Shen) wrote:
>
> > and as
> >strong progressive Asian man, she was clearly not happy with me.
What in God's name is a "strong progressive Asian man"? It sounds like
you've borrowed from the handbook of a lunatic fringe feminist group for your
diction.
> Wow, you must have had some intimate discussions with her to discover
> this. Or maybe you just made some big assumptions.
I'm guessing the latter.
> >Trust me, the Asian community at Northwestern gave a collective "Uhgg"
> >when we read in our campus newspaper about Janet's selection.
This sentence explains something I've always tried to figure out... why
Asians posted the top scores in standarized tests... apparently they are all
sharing a "collective" brain.
> I wonder what the Irish community (hey! that's mine, apparently) thought.
> Maybe they gave a collective "Whogivesashit!"
Can there be an Irish-Italian community? And since I'm 50% of each, who makes
the ultimate decision for me? I guess since our society is *clearly a
patriarchal* society, and since my dad's dad was 100% Italian, then Italians
will make the final call for me.
> JD...who thinks Janet is good looking anyhow
And I agree with that observation as well.
Very truly yours,
Ron
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>--wasn't there some made-for-tv movie, cinderella, where brandy was cinderella
>and some asian guy was the prince? i totally swear by this!
You're right...
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gpa...@hotmail.nospam.com (Gerard L. Pasion) wrote:
> Society tends to like
>to keep the status quo and change always come about with a certain
>degree of reluctance.
>
Oh, so it's society's "fault" that we don't have more Asians in American
film and TV (even though she dodged my point: what exactly makes an
Asian? and also, there are Asians on TV and in film that she ignored.)
There is no reluctance to not cast Asians in an entertaining role; it's
all about market value. Right now, Tom Cruise sells more movie tickets
than any Asian, including in all of Asia. So does Arnold Schwartzenegger,
but I suppose we have to disqualify him since he's originally from
Austrailia...what a minute, how are Australians breaking the secret code
and permeating U.S...
As for the way Asians (and I'm going to assume you only mean ones from the
far east; hell, any good Asian could debate the merits/differences of the
myriad of Asian cultures limited to the Far East) are stereotyped on the
media, so what. All "communities" are stereotyped by the media. Try
being a white Christian Republican for a few days.
Here's the point: crying about how the media treats you is a losing
battle that makes *you* appear to be weak. It's not your *race*, it's in
your head.
JD...America: where everyone different than me blames it on me
JD
Nick Carraway wrote:
>FWIW, one of my former roommates is Asian and just completed an independent
>film. Of course, both leads were white.
OH MY GOD.
Nick, I'm guessing your former roommates dates only white women.
All the millions of Asians in this country, and he picked two white people
to lead his movie. I guess he must not really be an Asian, right?
JD....working on my first movie script featuring "strong" Asians.
robert_yamaguchi
MOnica and gerard are the bomb! My sentiments completely.
Great articles guys!
GirlSmart
>Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
>positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
>DON'T involve martial arts!)
>
>In the American entertainment industry, Asian men are either
> a) good at math
> b) adept in the skills of martial arts
> c) house boys or servants
> d) evil, sinister, kniving, or full of Confuscious wisdom
> e) ridiculous or foolish looking characters
The main character in "The Wedding Banquet" was none of the above... he was
actually an intelligent, extremely good-looking man... too bad I don't know his
name :( Funny thing though -- his boyfriend was white... hmmm...
Gerard L. Pasion
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:03:39 -0400, fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD)
wrote:
>gpa...@hotmail.nospam.com (Gerard L. Pasion) wrote:
>
>Oh, so it's society's "fault" that we don't have more Asians in American
>film and TV (even though she dodged my point: what exactly makes an
>Asian? and also, there are Asians on TV and in film that she ignored.)
Yes, society. Who else. If society stopped watching films that
depict racial stereotypes, it would definitely send a message to the
entertainment media. Unfortunately, the movies that depict these
unfavorable stereotypes usually have blockbuster movie stars as the
lead, which helps draw in the Asians or any other minority that are
stereotyped.( more on that later )
>There is no reluctance to not cast Asians in an entertaining role; it's
I think you meant to write, "there is no reluctance to cast Asians in
an entertaining role". Sorry, just trying to help you. I wouldn't
want you to misconvey your idea.
>all about market value. Right now, Tom Cruise sells more movie tickets
>than any Asian, including in all of Asia. So does Arnold Schwartzenegger,
>but I suppose we have to disqualify him since he's originally from
>Austrailia...what a minute, how are Australians breaking the secret code
>and permeating U.S...
Damn it! I always thought Arnolds accent was Austrian. How could I
mix it up with Australian. Another strudel on the barbi? I guess I
was wrong about Mel Gibson too. Was Mad Maxx was filmed on the Vienna
dunes?
>
>As for the way Asians (and I'm going to assume you only mean ones from the
>far east; hell, any good Asian could debate the merits/differences of the
>myriad of Asian cultures limited to the Far East) are stereotyped on the
>media, so what. All "communities" are stereotyped by the media. Try
>being a white Christian Republican for a few days.
So just because all "communities" are stereotyped, it's all good. I
mean, if a certain type of character is integral to a storyline or
plot, then certainly I would have no problem with it. I'm only
concerned when a stereotype is depicted when one isn't really needed.
Since I'm Democrat, I should probably call you a gun peddling,
abortion clinic bombing, anti-(insert minority here), bible-thumping.
white-supremecist. But you see, I don't feel that way about all
Christian Republicans, just some ;). BTW, is there just one type of
white Christian Republican? See, you're stereotyping when you say
they all feel exactly the same as you do. Just as you can't really
assume what my beliefs are just because I'm a Democrat.
>
>Here's the point: crying about how the media treats you is a losing
>battle that makes *you* appear to be weak. It's not your *race*, it's in
>your head.
I guess pointing out and fighting against stereotypes typifies a weak
person to you. Too me, I think it's a battle worth fighting. The
problem lies in the people of my race, and any other race for that
matter, that just sit back and accept any kind of stereotype. At
least I can say I'm standing up and voicing against it. The type of
complacency you prefer breeds and feeds racist ideas. Therefore, your
point is not taken.
>
>JD...America: where everyone different than me blames it on me
Again you're stereotyping. You're just as bad as the ones blaming all
on the white people for their ills.
Peace,
Gerard
John Book
>
>Unfortunately,
>the Asian American community is not speaking out about this. Having
>their very own Asian American "Spike Lee" would be a good start.
>
>The problem is, Hollywood doesn't think these issues will sell.
>Perhaps this is true, but this is extremely unfortunate and somebody's
>got to start somewhere.
>
>-Monica
I agree. It happens with those of us who are Hawaiian too, anyone who is
what they call a "Pacific Islander" has to put up with low-grade Kool-Aid
commercials with a big glass looking like Biggie Smalls and having some
Hawaiian music playing in the background with people singing "a booga-
wooga-icky-hicky-luau-lua-poo-hicky". Or if someone who is Hawaiian is
on a TV show or movie (which is still a rarity), they are either silent,
some criminal's bodyguard, or the big Samoan athlete. Things have not
changed since the days of Zulu (as Kono) in "Hawaii Five-O". And don't
get me started on Asians on that show, with most of us becoming part of
the big crime while the lead Asian is just a white guy with crummy make-
up. All praise to Wo Fat!
It's ironic that Hollywood is willing to exploit Asian Americans, both in
what the public sees and how it gets its profits, yet with the exception
of a few films, refuse to show them in a good light.
As P.E. once said, Burn Hollywood Burn.
p.e.a.c.e.
-John Book
John Book
fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD) wrote:
>
So does Arnold Schwartzenegger,
>but I suppose we have to disqualify him since he's originally from
>Austrailia...what a minute, how are Australians breaking the secret
code
>and permeating U.S...
Austria
p.e.a.c.e.
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CozmicGirl
>After auditioning to be the newest Spice Girl, nank...@aol.com
>(Nankitkat) sat down and composed this:
>
>>--wasn't there some made-for-tv movie, cinderella, where brandy was
>cinderella
>>and some asian guy was the prince? i totally swear by this!
Yeah.. Paola Montalbin..
ML Compton
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to play and said:
>So does Arnold Schwartzenegger,
>but I suppose we have to disqualify him since he's originally from
>Austrailia...
Sorry to break in off the point here, but he's originally from
Austria. You know, that country next to Germany?
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>Oh wait, something very relative comes to mind *without* even having to
>think about it: Pam from the Real World. Let's see, she's
>strong....she's doing noble things with her career. Oh, I guess she
>doesn't count because she's banging whitey. Under your rules, Asian women
>must be subserviant to Asian men
Wait, does that mean that the Asian women are Southern Baptist, too?
>>In the meantime, Asian women are either
>> a) submissive
>> b)exotic beauties adept with special sexual talents that no
>>white women could possess.
>> c)lotus blossoms
>
>What about that Asian woman who was on The Single Guy? You're wrong again.
She was also on "ER," JD.....
>Oh Monica...I suppose Hollywood should just go and make movies that won't
>sell. How about a movie like "Joy Luck Club." Well, that movie only won
>Oscars. There have been numerous beautiful movies about Vietnam. There
>are so many examples!
Hell, and Asian actor (Hang S. Ngor-sp?) even won an Oscar for his
role in "The Killing Fields," and that role didn't fit any of the
criteria Monica mentioned...
SMUgrad
After auditioning to be the newest Spice Girl, girl...@aol.com
(GirlSmart) sat down and composed this:
>The main character in "The Wedding Banquet" was none of the above... he was
>actually an intelligent, extremely good-looking man... too bad I don't know his
>name :( Funny thing though -- his boyfriend was white... hmmm...
But, since he's not an Asian female, I wonder if that'd be OK w/
Joshua that he was dating a white guy...?
Jaimie
This isn't really a reply to you, JD, so don't get mad. I have to state
something in this thread, and this is the message that stays closest to
the subject. There are asians who are from that culture, and there are
americans who happen to be asian. If you have nothing to do with
anything but american culture, what is the big deal about dating or
marrying white, black, hell, any race? The only thing that might seem
hard is inter-CULTURAL relationships, where one person comes from a
completely different way of life. In my opinion, if you live in the US
especially, your race doesn't have much to do with your way of life at
all. This isn't hard and fast, there are always exceptions and I'm sure
someone will present me with one. People seem to make too much of racial
differences when it's really cultural differences they have a hard time
with. But that makes sense. A russian born in russia who lives submerged
in that culture would have a harder time adjusting to life in the US
than a 3rd generation american russian who lives here and has always
been exposed to our culture.
(ML, I can hear you laughing already!)
Just thought I'd give my 3 cents. (inflation) ~J
Jaimie
race to choose someone with which to have a relationship. Relying on
race alone seems a bit like discrimination. Aren't there other, more
important qualities/traits you look for in a person?
bliz...@bellatlantic.net
In article <fourwordmktg-1...@ip239.atlanta14.ga.pub-ip.psi.net>,
fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD) wrote:
>
> mp...@tdn.com wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:30:06 -0400, fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Then you take a shot at the
> >>white media establishment, saying that Asian men are portrayed as "weak."
> >>Funny, I've never got that impression. It must be because I'm white.
> >
> >positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
> >DON'T involve martial arts!)
> >
> >In the American entertainment industry, Asian men are either
> > a) good at math
> > b) adept in the skills of martial arts
> > c) house boys or servants
> > d) evil, sinister, kniving, or full of Confuscious wisdom
> > e) ridiculous or foolish looking characters
[snipped JD's reply... with apologies]
Hmmm... without thinking much about the topic, I can name at least that little
picture back in the 80s... you know, the won that won 8 Academy Awards... "The
Last Emperor"; and one of my other favorite tv shows... "Quincy"... I don't
recall Sam doing martial arts during the show.
bliz...@bellatlantic.net
In article <3589bd8e....@news.tdn.com>,
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
> Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
> positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
> DON'T involve martial arts!)
We can do this all day...
Name some movies or tv shows that portray Italians positively. Name some
movies or tv shows that portray Catholics in a positive light. Name some
movies or tv shows that don't portray Irish people as either poor and
desperate or drunken fighters.
JD
gpa...@hotmail.nospam.com (Gerard L. Pasion) wrote:
>So just because all "communities" are stereotyped, it's all good.
No, and I never implied that. I'm merely pointing out that they are
unavoidable, and it's not up to film and television to be making pointless
market considerations; in other words, we don't need to see a major motion
picture about the NBA featuring an all Asian cast. Or an all white cast.
In that movie, I'd expect to a mostly black team, just like real life.
How many Asians play in the NBA? Oh, and again, can we count guys like
Serbs?
If you are expecting Hollywood to run out and be crushing stereotypes,
you're in for a long wait. Things are much better than they used to be;
popular entertainment today, as has been in the past, stays fairly current
with the public opinion.
This whole discussion began on Josh's assertion that Hollywood poorly
stereotypes Asians. Of course, he had no specific examples, and the ones
that fellow NG people provided damn his premise.
>Since I'm Democrat, I should probably call you a gun peddling,
>abortion clinic bombing, anti-(insert minority here), bible-thumping.
>white-supremecist.
Well, I guess we should be specific and say that I'm a Irish Christian
Libertarian. Please stereotype me as a defender of liberty.
>I guess pointing out and fighting against stereotypes typifies a weak
>person to you.
No, a weak person to me is someone that does not take responsibility for
their own life. A weak person blames their
class/status/race/creed/whatever. So far, I don't see Janet as weak.
>The
>problem lies in the people of my race, and any other race for that
>matter, that just sit back and accept any kind of stereotype. At
>least I can say I'm standing up and voicing against it.
That's noble, and I'm glad you stand up for yourself. However, if you
come in whining like Joshua did, and make statements that are
unbelievable, it's hard for me to take your cause seriously. You have
problems with your racial image? What are you doing to *change* them?
I never claimed that there weren't negative stereotypes for Asians. There
are plenty. There are plenty for many facets in my life that I don't care
for.
>The type of
>complacency you prefer breeds and feeds racist ideas. Therefore, your
>point is not taken.
Uh, the complacency I'm *referring* (prefer?) to is the kind that is
similar to crying wolf. Prejudice, bigotry, and racism certainly exist in
this world, but frankly, I'd prefer more compelling, logical examples
other than what Joshua offers up. That's the point, take it or leave it.
JD...still blames himself for being white. In fact, I blame myself for
the patriarchal world and the horrors of Christianity. While I'm at it, I
blame myself for giving my father high blood pressure. I blame myself for
ruining the environment. I blame myself for perpetuating negative
stereotypes of drunk Irish people. I blame myself for taking my dry
cleaning each week to a laundrymat owned and operated by a beautiful Asian
woman...by keeping her in business, I perpetuate a kaleidoscope of
negative stereotypes.
Sam4174
cozmic girl wrote:
>>i'm saying it's wrong
>>to do it EXCLUSIVELY
>
>Do you think it's wrong to date in your race EXCLUSIVELY?
>
yes, if there are persons outside your race genuinely interested in you and you
don't give them the time of day, because theyre not black, white, asian,
etc'...but, really, how often does that happen?
however, as josh said, janet ONLY goes for white guys, ignoring every pass an
asian guy throws at her, which must take a lot of effort, thereby showing her
diehard commitment to selloutism (made up word...for effect and all).
Sunfrog
JANET CHOI should not smoke..it makes her look like white trash, All
people who smoke look like white trash, even if they aren't white. And
we won't even mention how they smell. (YUCK)!
Robin Merica
JD wrote:
>
> JD...still blames himself for being white. In fact, I blame myself for
> the patriarchal world and the horrors of Christianity. While I'm at
> it, I blame myself for giving my father high blood pressure. I blame
> myself for ruining the environment. I blame myself for perpetuating
> negative stereotypes of drunk Irish people. I blame myself for taking
> my dry cleaning each week to a laundrymat owned and operated by a
> beautiful Asian woman...by keeping her in business, I perpetuate a
> kaleidoscope of negative stereotypes.
JD, I don't think I'll EVER think about you in the same way. You
actually take stuff to a DRYCLEANER? wow....
Robin
*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*.,.*'`'*
With our tolerance we buy our freedom.
mailto:rme...@worldnet.att.net
Dancer
Why do they look like white trash? What kind of idiotic comment is
that?
Brad
ML Compton
Over the hills and far away, Jaimie <jaim...@aa.net> came out to play
and said:
>This isn't really a reply to you, JD, so don't get mad. I have to state
>something in this thread, and this is the message that stays closest to
>the subject. There are asians who are from that culture, and there are
>americans who happen to be asian. If you have nothing to do with
>anything but american culture, what is the big deal about dating or
>marrying white, black, hell, any race? The only thing that might seem
>hard is inter-CULTURAL relationships, where one person comes from a
>completely different way of life. In my opinion, if you live in the US
>especially, your race doesn't have much to do with your way of life at
>all. This isn't hard and fast, there are always exceptions and I'm sure
>someone will present me with one. People seem to make too much of racial
>differences when it's really cultural differences they have a hard time
>with. But that makes sense. A russian born in russia who lives submerged
>in that culture would have a harder time adjusting to life in the US
>than a 3rd generation american russian who lives here and has always
>been exposed to our culture.
>(ML, I can hear you laughing already!)
Why would I laugh. I agree with you. While touring Berlin back before
the Wall came down, I commented to a German friend about how sad it
was seeing all the memorial placks around the Wall with names of
people killed trying to escape to the West. He told me that the
saddest thing of all was that most of those people who did manage to
escape couldn't adapt to Western life after making it here. They were
extremely unhappy and now they couldn't go back home because they
would be imprisoned or killed. The suicide rate amongst escapies was
staggeringly high.
No, I agree. People focus on race, but culture is the thing that
scares them. American's especially, make little to no effort to
understand other cultures. And its a pity because we could learn so
much from them.
SMUgrad
After auditioning to be the newest Spice Girl, sam...@aol.com
(Sam4174) sat down and composed this:
>however, as josh said, janet ONLY goes for white guys, ignoring every pass an
>asian guy throws at her, which must take a lot of effort, thereby showing her
>diehard commitment to selloutism (made up word...for effect and all).
You've GOT to be kidding!?!?! We've seen *one episode* of the new
season, and you (and Josh) are saying that Janet ONLY goes for white
guys, "ignoring every pass an asian guy throws at her"??? Where have
we seen an Asian guy make a pass at Janet on the show? We *haven't*.
And even Joshua didn't say in his original post that Janet ONLY goes
for white guys and ignores passes made at her by Asian guys...
Ero...@webtv.net
Hey LOSER,
Can you say "jealous"? To each his own! Get a life. If you had an open
mind and were intelligent, maybe she WOULD talk to you. Ugghhhhhhh!!!!!
Sunfrog
"Dancer's" question of " Why does Janet Choi look like white trash when
she smokes?"
Response: Maybe you are not from America or perhaps there are no
trailer parks in the country in which you live, so I will explain.
There is an unfortunate demograph of American society known as "White
trash" , sometimes referred to as "trailer trash." They are uneducated
(not intelligent), dirty (smelly), and they do not have the basic
manners that you would expect someone in America to have (low class).
White trash is the metaphor for smoking because, smoking is stupid, it
stinks and those that smoke have no class.
Translation: When Janet Choi smokes it makes her look like White
Trash.
Oh yeah, and if this offends you because you smoke then... you are
idiotic.
"Smoking is cool" -- Joe Camel
Lynnster
rme...@worldnet.att.net.nospam emotes...
> JD wrote:
> > JD...still blames himself for being white. In fact, I blame myself for
> > the patriarchal world and the horrors of Christianity. While I'm at
> > it, I blame myself for giving my father high blood pressure. I blame
> > myself for ruining the environment. I blame myself for perpetuating
> > negative stereotypes of drunk Irish people. I blame myself for taking
> > my dry cleaning each week to a laundrymat owned and operated by a
> > beautiful Asian woman...by keeping her in business, I perpetuate a
> > kaleidoscope of negative stereotypes.
>
> JD, I don't think I'll EVER think about you in the same way. You
> actually take stuff to a DRYCLEANER? wow....
Pooh on that. I blame him for being married and depriving you and me of
our rightful place in his two-woman harem. ;>
--
******************************************************
"I knew by now that Gene Simmons
wasn't the answer,
but maybe Paul Westerberg was."
(Tommy Womack, "Cheese Chronicles")
(Eggman Publishing, 1995)
******************************************************
CozmicGirl
>Actually, the correct name is Paolo Montalban and he's a
>Filipino-American.
>
>
Yeah.. therefore he's Asian..
CozmicGirl
From: gpa...@hotmail.com
>Actually, Pacific Islander, if you want to get technical :)
Oh! Thanks for the info..
Jaimie
Sam4174 wrote:
>
> cozmic girl wrote:
>
> >>i'm saying it's wrong
> >>to do it EXCLUSIVELY
> >
> >Do you think it's wrong to date in your race EXCLUSIVELY?
> >
>
> yes, if there are persons outside your race genuinely interested in you and you
> don't give them the time of day, because theyre not black, white, asian,
> etc'...but, really, how often does that happen?
>
> asian guy throws at her, which must take a lot of effort, thereby showing her
> diehard commitment to selloutism (made up word...for effect and all).
Perhaps she isn't doing that for selloutism's purpose. Maybe she just
doesn't find any of them attractive. Everyone has a different idea of
sexiness, and everyone likes different things. Besides, maybe she isn't
into the differences of culture, if they exist. Remember, she's
asian-American, raised in the US. She won't take any crap from a guy who
thinks he has the right to dominate her. I thought that was obvious from
the start.
JD
dan...@prodigy.net wrote:
>People focus on race, but culture is the thing that
>scares them. American's especially, make little to no effort to
>understand other cultures.
Sometimes you say some really insightful things, ML.
JD
JD
gpa...@hotmail.nospam.com (Gerard L. Pasion) wrote:
>I agree that we all encounter things in our everyday life that
>somewhat justify and perpetuate some of these stereotypes.
This is my one and only point.
What matters is how you react to those stereotypes. Stereotypes are not
bad in my opinion; they are sometimes negative for sure, but we are forced
by nature to categorize in order to bring some sense of organization to
our lives.
>It's obvious that you and I won't ever agree with the main point of
>discussion and although you may not care, I do respect your opinion.
Of course I care. I want to change your mind, and I respect your opinion
or I would have thumped my chest and called you names ;)
>BTW JD, one more thing, you gotta stop blaming yourself or all the
>worlds ills, it just ain't healthy. The good ole boys might think
>you're a sell-out ;)
All the conservatives think I'm a sellout anyhow; I've been voting
libertarian for too long and being pro-choice in the conservative world is
always difficult.
To wit, I'll never blame myself for anything I'm not responsible. Thus, I
don't buy into reparations irrelated to my life. Trying to take
responsibility for my own actions is difficult enough.
JD...never dated a first generation Asian American, but only because Janet
wouldn't hit on me.
JD
Sun...@webtv.net (Sunfrog) wrote:
>Oh yeah, and if this offends you because you smoke then... you are
>idiotic.
Smokers, as a percentage, are less intelligent than non-smokers. They
also earn less, on average, than non-smokers. (This is logical because
less educated, on average, means less annual income.)
This has been proven over and over in any study that focused on measured
intelligence and smoking.
I don't care if you smoke, but don't blame me if people assume you are
less intelligent.
JD...smoke em if ya got em
JD
In article <MPG.ff4bdaf5...@news.memphisonline.com>,
lynn...@memphisonline.com wrote:
>Pooh on that. I blame him for being married and depriving you and me of
>our rightful place in his two-woman harem.
married schmarried....
JD...harem schmarem
JD
In article <6me2ar$j...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
rme...@worldnet.att.net.nospam wrote:
>JD, I don't think I'll EVER think about you in the same way. You
>actually take stuff to a DRYCLEANER? wow....
How else do you clean a wool suit?
JD
Xensky
In article <3589bd8e....@news.tdn.com>, mp...@tdn.com writes:
>Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
>positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
>DON'T involve martial arts!)
Not American-made, but--- What is the name of that foriegn-made Oriental Soap
Opera with the subtitles that comes on late weekend nights on cable TV? The
Asian men on there are certainly fascinating and sexy--- I just wish I could
find the show two weeks running!
Jude in Seattle - ...zapping (at the speed of light) through the channels at
all hours...
mp...@tdn.com
On 19 Jun 1998 02:59:38 GMT, cozmi...@aol.com (CozmicGirl) wrote:
>From: mp...@tdn.com
>
>>They are never portrayed as sexy, strong, handsome, romantic, funny,
>>sensitive, kind, and you get the picture.
>
>Actually, there was that TV show American Girl or something that are Margaret
>Chow (Choi? something like that) and she had a brother played by BD Wong, I
>think. He was very funny.
And how many seasons did that show last?
-Monica Peper
mp...@tdn.com
fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD) wrote:
>>>Then you take a shot at the
>>>white media establishment, saying that Asian men are portrayed as "weak."
>>>Funny, I've never got that impression. It must be because I'm white.
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
>>Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
>>positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
>>DON'T involve martial arts!)
>>
>>In the American entertainment industry, Asian men are either
>> a) good at math
>> b) adept in the skills of martial arts
>> c) house boys or servants
>> d) evil, sinister, kniving, or full of Confuscious wisdom
>> e) ridiculous or foolish looking characters
fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD) wrote:
>OK!! Wow! You've stumped me! Damn, and I thought I had you trapped.
>Apparently, the five charicatures you name are weak.
In the overall sense, yes, they are weak and lame and cliche'd. It
wouldn't be so bad if they had at least as many "strong, leading,
respectable" Asian male roles to counterbalance these images. I'm not
saying an Asian actor should never take a role as a funny-looking nerd
ever again... but, that for every nerd role, there should be a
respectable role available for him. Unfortunately, the nerd roles (as
well as the others I listed above) are among the only kinds of roles
the Asian male actor is usually offerred.
>Oh wait, something very relative comes to mind *without* even having to
>think about it: Pam from the Real World. Let's see, she's
>strong....she's doing noble things with her career. Oh, I guess she
>doesn't count because she's banging whitey. Under your rules, Asian women
>must be subserviant to Asian men and they lose their credibility if they
>date or blow whitey.
First of all, I didn't say Asian women MUST be subserviant... I said
they are all too often potrayed that way in American films and
television... and this is sad. And, I also was never the one who
criticized Pam or Janet for dating white men. Frankly, I am a strong
supporter of interracial relationships. I don't think we know enough
about Janet or Pam to say that they are against dating Asian men. It
is true, however, that many Asian American women grow up with sort of
a self-hatred and hatred towards their own race due to what they see
as the standard of beauty on television and the movies. This is why
there are a number of Asian women out there who have plastic surgery
to minimize or remove the slant of their eyes. And, for the same
reasons, some (NOT ALL) Asian American women try to avoid dating Asian
American men.
Second of all, I'm criticizing the movie and telelvision industry for
not writing and offerring better Asian male (and female) roles. Pam
is a REAL person, and I have never criticized her OR Janet. Someone
else was doing that. I think it's great that B/M has put two Asian
women on the show already. Whether or not they are "model"
representatives of the Asian American community is somewhat
irrelevant, because their presence at least sparks conversation and
debate about Asian American culture and issues. The more Asian
characters B/M puts on the show the better because the more diversity
we will see. However, I do think it is unfortunate that we have not
even seen one single Asian male on either Real World or Road Rules as
of yet.
>>They are never portrayed as sexy, strong, handsome, romantic, funny,
>>sensitive, kind, and you get the picture.
>Really, I don't have time to go through every show on TV and movies that
>portray Asians.
Asian men in leading, respectable roles? Not very many!
>>In the meantime, Asian women are either
>> a) submissive
>> b)exotic beauties adept with special sexual talents that no
>>white women could possess.
>> c)lotus blossoms
>What about that Asian woman who was on The Single Guy? You're wrong again.
She was a great character. I liked the show too, but it didn't last
long. Indeed, I think Asian American women are getting more
respectable roles than Asian American men. The kinds of roles I
stated above though still outnumber, by far, the decent roles.
>>I could go on. The point is, Hollywood has yet to break the Asian
>>American stereotypes that have been present for decades now in the
>>film industry.
>Look what the hell is coming out of Asian cinema! What do you expect?
Have you TRULY seen A LOT of Asian cinema? I mean, can you honestly
say that you have seen all the movies that the average citizen of
Taiwan has seen? Or only the ones that are marketable over here? I
assure you that there is a broad range of movies in Asia... and many
of them have handsome Asian men in a diverse range of roles.
>>The problem is, Hollywood doesn't think these issues will sell.
>>Perhaps this is true, but this is extremely unfortunate and somebody's
>>got to start somewhere.
>Oh Monica...I suppose Hollywood should just go and make movies that won't
>sell.
I wish Hollywood would make a lot more movies with good scripts and
well-written characters and not just the crap that will "sell". Maybe
these pictures won't bring in multi-billions or whatever, but they can
still make decent money. I'm optomistic enough to think that there
are people out there like me who will pay to see such films.
> How about a movie like "Joy Luck Club." Well, that movie only won
>Oscars. There have been numerous beautiful movies about Vietnam. There
>are so many examples!
While I actually liked the "Joy Luck Club", I understand why the Asian
American community voiced some concern and criticism over the film.
One of the problems with that movie is its portrayal of Asian men.
Practically all the Asian men in that movie were horrible, and it sort
of reinforces white America's fantasy that we are "saving" Asian women
from these despicable, abusive Asian men. Not all Asian men are bad,
ya know. This theme where Americans sort of try to "SAVE" the Asians
is present in a number of films throughout history, I might add,
including the ones about Vietnam. Anyway, how about some films about
Asian American cultural issues, issues of dual identity or the "model
minority" controversy. Or, how about some films where Asian
Americans play roles that have nothing to do with being Asian... just
people.
Again, it wouldn't be so bad if for every movie that portrayed Asian
men as cruel or evil, there was also a movie that portrayed Asian men
in a positive light. I assure you, though, that the balance is not
there. I only hope that some day it will be.
>Sure, there's not an all-Asian sitcom on TV yet. That's because there's
>not an audience! Take a look at Cable TV next time you're in NYC and
>you'll see that Asians get plenty of relative time on local access.
So, I guess the majority of America will just have to continue to be
unaware that there are sexy, funny, charming Asian men out there!
That really sucks, by the way.
>Your argument is full of holes, and you look bad playing the victim.
I hope I've filled in some of those holes for you today. Was I
playing the victim? That's odd considering I'm not even Asian. I'm
as white as white can be. And I don't believe anyone's trying to play
a victim here... only trying to education and change things for the
better.
-Monica Peper
mp...@tdn.com
fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD) wrote:
fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD) wrote:
a victim here... only trying to educate, spark discussion, and
VVu RuGrAT
I never actually noticed the roles Asians play in the media until it was
brought up on the board. It's kind of the same thing that African Americans
had to go through earlier in the century. The black male was always the clown
or baffon or the uncle Tom. The female was the mammy. Now I feel a little
more aware. I hope Hollywood becomes aware soon too.
Adrienne
CozmicGirl
>>Actually, there was that TV show American Girl or something that are
>Margaret
>>Chow (Choi? something like that) and she had a brother played by BD Wong, I
>>think. He was very funny.
>
>And how many seasons did that show last?
One or two. BD Wong was funny, but the show was plain out AWFUL!
mp...@tdn.com
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:03:39 -0400, fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD)
wrote:
>All "communities" are stereotyped by the media. Try
>being a white Christian Republican for a few days.
>Here's the point: crying about how the media treats you is a losing
>battle that makes *you* appear to be weak. It's not your *race*, it's in
>your head.
what? Are you saying that we should just accept the stereotypes that
are present in the media, regardless of whether they are negative or
damaging, and not try to educate people or improve things?
Or are you actually trying to say that the perceived lack of
representation of a certain race in the media just doesn't exist?
>JD...America: where everyone different than me blames it on me
I wouldn't say it's all your fault that the world is the way it is
today. I would hope, however, that you would be open to educating
yourself and open-minded enough to truly listen to the perspectives of
others.
-Monica
mp...@tdn.com
On 19 Jun 1998 05:41:32 GMT, girl...@aol.com (GirlSmart) wrote:
>>Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
>>positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
>>DON'T involve martial arts!)
>>
>>In the American entertainment industry, Asian men are either
>> a) good at math
>> b) adept in the skills of martial arts
>> c) house boys or servants
>> d) evil, sinister, kniving, or full of Confuscious wisdom
>> e) ridiculous or foolish looking characters
>
>The main character in "The Wedding Banquet" was none of the above... he was
>actually an intelligent, extremely good-looking man... too bad I don't know his
>name :( Funny thing though -- his boyfriend was white... hmmm...
I'll admit that was a good movie with good characters. I'm not sure
though, was that an American-made film or a foreign film? I really
don't know, so I'm just asking. Anyway, I wish there were more like
it.
-Monica
mp...@tdn.com
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:18:41 GMT, SMUgrad wrote:
>Hell, and Asian actor (Hang S. Ngor-sp?) even won an Oscar for his
>role in "The Killing Fields," and that role didn't fit any of the
>criteria Monica mentioned...
That movie wasn't about Asian Americans.
-Monica
mp...@tdn.com
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:36:23 GMT, bliz...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
>Hmmm... without thinking much about the topic, I can name at least that little
>picture back in the 80s... you know, the won that won 8 Academy Awards... "The
>Last Emperor"; and one of my other favorite tv shows... "Quincy"... I don't
>recall Sam doing martial arts during the show.
That movie doesn't really have anything to do with Asians in "America"
either.
As for Quincy... I never watched, but Sam at least appeared to be a
"normal" character. Then again, he was just the sidekick... not
good enough for the leading role, of course.
-Monica
Mark Ssi
In article <anarky-1806...@ur225.ur.nwu.edu>, ana...@nwu.edu (Joshua Shen) wrote:
> I was in a class with her (Journalism writing with Prof. Nelson), and as
> strong progressive Asian man,
Really, Josh?
> she was clearly not happy with me. (While I
> hung out with the black sisters in the class and we would joke about race,
> Janet sat across the room always uncomfortable with us.)
Yeah.. don't you hate that when you're joking about race with your
"black sisters" and someone isn't laughing? It totally means they're
uncomfortable; a cream of the crop sell-out.
> She hung out with her sorority friends and swooned at every white guy she
> meets.
REALLY! Since you go to NU, I suppose you have all the inside dirt.
> Trust me, the Asian community at Northwestern gave a collective "Uhgg"
> when we read in our campus newspaper about Janet's selection.
Hardly. The collective comment from my Korean friends was "dayammm...
she's fine. She's in Korean 2 Accelerated, right?"
> It's all laughable. But as to my Asian brothers, don't flip out. The
> majority of Asian sisters are down with us. It's no use crying over just
> one whiggie.
>
> And if they're not down with us, then it's their loss. Ask any white woman
> who's had an Asian lover whether Asian guys are better than whites. You'll
> find that in general we are just better lovers.
That isn't the kind of verbiage I would hope to hear from a
self-described "progressive Asian man". It's unintelligent, reactionary
one-uppances like that which chip away at any progress (ie that made by
the NU Hunger Strike for Asian-American studies). Remember how good rap
was back in the days of Boogie Down Productions and Public Enemy? Yeah,
me too. Now what do we have? Canibus, Mase, and West Side Connection.
Their beats are okay, and their braggadocio lyrics are good for comic
effect, but rap's unifying voice is at best fragmented, at worst in the
gutter.
> If you want to get mad, get mad at the white media establishment that
> perpetuates images of Asian men as weak and Asian women as nothing but
> sexual beings eager to hop on a white dick.
Oh, but it's only the global media's JOB to perpetuate such racist
stereotypes. In two years of following Korean soap operas, I've seen
honkeys appear only twice: once as a drunken psychotic rapist, holding
up an entire casino on Jejudo Island with a Glock; and once as a fat and
messy American bumbling embarrassingly through a business meeting. I'm
sure if you saw mant gringos on Taiwanese teevee last summer, you'd see
the same sort of thing.
> Thus, don't watch MTV.
Actually, it would make more sense if smart people *did* watch teevee.
The more intelligent people there are watching and talking about shows,
the more producers will realize that the public won't swallow the easy
racial stereotypes.
keep the faith
but don't deviate...
Mark B
Northwestern U '98
Allison Hall (with Josh! remember the good ole days) '96
mp...@tdn.com
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:54:54 GMT, bliz...@bellatlantic.net wrote:
>In article <3589bd8e....@news.tdn.com>,
> mp...@tdn.com wrote:
>
>> Name some movies or tv shows that have sexy, strong, attractive,
>> positive Asian American men in leading and/or romantic roles (that
>> DON'T involve martial arts!)
>
>We can do this all day...
>
>Name some movies or tv shows that portray Italians positively. Name some
>movies or tv shows that portray Catholics in a positive light. Name some
>movies or tv shows that don't portray Irish people as either poor and
>desperate or drunken fighters.
While I understand that the above groups also get stereotyped and
inacurrately potrayed in the entertainment industry, I still think
that there have been a broader range of potrayals of these groups
throughout time. Realistically, haven't we seen a lot more of these
groups than Asian Americans?
-Monica
mp...@tdn.com
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:07:09 -0400, fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD)
wrote:
>gpa...@hotmail.nospam.com (Gerard L. Pasion) wrote:
>>So just because all "communities" are stereotyped, it's all good.
>No, and I never implied that. I'm merely pointing out that they are
>unavoidable, and it's not up to film and television to be making pointless
>market considerations; in other words, we don't need to see a major motion
>picture about the NBA featuring an all Asian cast. Or an all white cast.
>In that movie, I'd expect to a mostly black team, just like real life.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well then, since you admit that you expect a movie to be accurate to
"real life", then you should understand why Asian Americans would like
to see themselves portrayed accurately as well. The way they've been
portrayed in American films so far, has not been very accurate or
appealing.
Besides, many movies are about fantasy and fiction. The question
is... whose fantasy is it that Asian men should look so geeky and
ridiculous all the time? Ah... well, that would be white American
society's fantasy.
Asian Americans place in Hollywood CAN be changed, and it will be
changed, but progress is incredibly slow, partly due to the fact that
too many Asian Americans are not aware or speaking out themselves.
Plus, there needs to be more Asian American writers, directors,
producers, and actors, etc. If there were, I assure you we would see
some more accurate and intelligent portrayals of Asians in America.
And maybe if everyone was educated about these issues in school, etc.
then white people, black people, and the Hollywood people would be
more apt to challenge themselves and accept Asians in many different
kinds of roles.
By the way, for those that are interested, I found a website for an
organization called Asian American Media Development (AAMD). AAMD is
a "proactive, non-profit organization supporting the creation of
positive and accurate portrayals for Asian Americans in the
influential world of film and television, promoting cultural
understanding and Asian American participation". If interested, the
URL is:
http://www.reachme.com/AAMD/
-Monica
mp...@tdn.com
Adrienne, thank you for pointing this out. I think this is an
important and very relevant analogy to make. I doubt people would
argue that if those were the only kinds of roles we still saw blacks
in today that we should just accept it and stop complaining because we
can't change anything.
-Monica
rchris63
James Shigeta (various movies
George Takei (Star Trek)
Pat Morita
Sessue Hayakawa
Brandon Lee (deceased)
Bruce Lee (deceased
Toshiro Mifune...the list goes on......
Lots of guys from "Flower Drum Song" are still acting in movies (don't know
all their names off-hand
Many of the villains are better actors than the lead non-Oriental "good
guy". Not all are martial arts pictures....What I resent is TPTB not
casting Asiatic or Oriental actors in those particular roles and using
Caucasians (Marlon Brando) or others not so obvious, just as they did with
Native Americans for such a long time. Every race would like to be
represented....complain to TPTB. Now that is the REAL WORLD.....
mp...@tdn.com wrote in article <358e2236....@news.tdn.com>...
Dancer
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:09:23 -0400, Sun...@webtv.net (Sunfrog) wrote:
> "Dancer's" question of " Why does Janet Choi look like white trash when
>she smokes?"
>
>Response: Maybe you are not from America or perhaps there are no
>trailer parks in the country in which you live, so I will explain.
>
> There is an unfortunate demograph of American society known as "White
>trash" , sometimes referred to as "trailer trash." They are uneducated
>(not intelligent), dirty (smelly), and they do not have the basic
>manners that you would expect someone in America to have (low class).
>White trash is the metaphor for smoking because, smoking is stupid, it
>stinks and those that smoke have no class.
>
> Translation: When Janet Choi smokes it makes her look like White
>Trash.
>
>Oh yeah, and if this offends you because you smoke then... you are
>idiotic.
It offends me because it makes no sense. I'm American and about
as white as you can get - (non-smoking), what kind of idiotic
comment is that to make?
Brad
JD
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
>Have you TRULY seen A LOT of Asian cinema? I mean, can you honestly
>say that you have seen all the movies that the average citizen of
>Taiwan has seen? Or only the ones that are marketable over here? I
>assure you that there is a broad range of movies in Asia... and many
>of them have handsome Asian men in a diverse range of roles.
Are they English spoken ? I don't care for subtitles very often. That's
what the hugely vast majority of movie goers in the USA feel. They don't
like subtitles. They have no idea of Taiwanese culture. Or Vietnamese.
Or Russian. Or Turkish. Those are all Asian countries, by the way.
The reason you don't see tons of people talking about or going to Asian
films is because they are not interesting to the American movie goer. Why
should anyone spend money making movies that no one will see?
>Maybe
>these pictures won't bring in multi-billions or whatever, but they can
>still make decent money. I'm optomistic enough to think that there
>are people out there like me who will pay to see such films.
Everyone says they support the small films, but in financial reality, they
don't. How many movies did you see last year that cost lest than $5
Million? I'm going to guess you saw one or two. Plus, many of the small
budget films I've seen in the past are not very good...good scripts are
hard to come by, no matter the cost.
>This theme where Americans sort of try to "SAVE" the Asians
>is present in a number of films throughout history, I might add,
>including the ones about Vietnam.
Uh, we *were* trying to save the Vietnamese from communism and a horrible
fascist, dictator government. I'm proud of that stand we took.
I'm sorry you don't think there are enough good leading Asian men in
Hollywood, and I'm also sorry that you attribute this to some form of
prejudice. Hollywood is the biggest form of prostitution next to the
federal government, and if there was a marketable leading Asian man,
they'd be the first to exploit him.
JD
JD
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
Are you saying that we should just accept the stereotypes that
>are present in the media, regardless of whether they are negative or
>damaging, and not try to educate people or improve things?
No, I'm saying if you want to change stereotypes, it starts with you and
your own life. It is a waste of time complaining about the stereotypes
that come from Hollywood. Laying the blame at the feet of Hollywood seems
desperate.
>Or are you actually trying to say that the perceived lack of
>representation of a certain race in the media just doesn't exist?
In the grand scheme of things, stereotyping in Hollywood is very minor.
>I wouldn't say it's all your fault that the world is the way it is
>today. I would hope, however, that you would be open to educating
>yourself and open-minded enough to truly listen to the perspectives of
>others.
I'm plenty open-minded; I'm at least as open minded as anyone else in the
world. However, being open minded doesn't require me to buy into weak
arguments.
JD
JD
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
>Well then, since you admit that you expect a movie to be accurate to
>"real life"
Never in any post have I ever implied or directly stated this. I challenge
you to find a spot where I did.
>The way they've been
>portrayed in American films so far, has not been very accurate or
>appealing.
That's funny, this NG, including myself has come up with plenty of good
examples. It's time you start coming up with specific examples of your
side.
>Besides, many movies are about fantasy and fiction.
If that's your perspective, then why would stereotypes in those movies
bother you?
Uh, thanks for the URL.
JD...still not on the bandwagon.
jay
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
Actually Monica, many do see Black men still as the clown. Not to be taken
seriously, and if he acts serious then he is to be put in his place. I have noticed
in my place of work that whites will not perform for black male bosses if they are
work oriented. They prefer them to be 'jiving' and 'joking' all the time. They
want breaks and to do whatever they want.
Coincidentally I see the same thing when a White Female is in charge. She is
referred to as a "bitch" who is "on the rag all the time".
I don't see much of a problem with black women being in charge or white males.
Could it be that White Females and Black Males share common personalities? The same
for Black Females and White Males?
jay
Mark Ssi wrote:
> In article <anarky-1806...@ur225.ur.nwu.edu>, ana...@nwu.edu (Joshua Shen) wrote:
> Remember how good rap
> was back in the days of Boogie Down Productions and Public Enemy? Yeah,
> me too. Now what do we have? Canibus, Mase, and West Side Connection.
> Their beats are okay, and their braggadocio lyrics are good for comic
> effect, but rap's unifying voice is at best fragmented, at worst in the
> gutter.
I agree with you about rap. The 80's rap/hip-hop generation was definitely the best ever.
Now it is all either empty (sold out) or in someway affilitated with drugs and gangs.
I agree that the music from Puff Daddy, Ice-Cube, Dr. Dre etc. are pretty good, but the lyrics
have become tired rhetoric.
>
jay
mp...@tdn.com wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:07:09 -0400, fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD)
> wrote:
>
> >gpa...@hotmail.nospam.com (Gerard L. Pasion) wrote:
>
> >>So just because all "communities" are stereotyped, it's all good.
> If there were, I assure you we would see
> some more accurate and intelligent portrayals of Asians in America.
> And maybe if everyone was educated about these issues in school, etc.
> then white people, black people, and the Hollywood people would be
> more apt to challenge themselves and accept Asians in many different
> kinds of roles.
I don't think that the majority of Blacks have a problem with Asians. I think
there is an envy though. I think that Blacks are befuddled as to how Asians
can come over start a business and jump right into middle class. In addition,
Asians are using Affirmative Action to get into mid-level management positions
or what not, but they weren't in the streets getting their head bashed in by
the cops in the '50s and '60s fighting for Civil Rights.
I think the key factor is that both black and white americans are more similar
than they think. We both believe that it isn't fair for foreigners to come over
hear, get federal funding, immediately create a business and jump directly into
the middle class. Or even into slots in Universities that some of us have been
waiting years to get into.
But whoever said life was fair eh?
Bingo
In article <358e27ca....@news.tdn.com> mp...@tdn.com writes:
>From: mp...@tdn.com
>Subject: Re: JANET CHOI: EXPOSED
>Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:17:05 GMT
I wonder if there are about as many positive portrayals of Asian men in
movies, proportional to the number of positive portrayals of Caucasian men in
the movies as there are Asian men in society, proportional to the number of
Caucasian men? Aren't Asians only a small fraction of the population, < 10%?
I don't know this, I am only asking. I wonder if there are any real facts to
judge this on, rather than conjecture and opinion.
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Over the hills and far away, mp...@tdn.com came out to play and said:
>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:03:39 -0400, fourwo...@earthlink.net (JD)
>wrote:
>>All "communities" are stereotyped by the media. Try
>>being a white Christian Republican for a few days.
>>Here's the point: crying about how the media treats you is a losing
>>battle that makes *you* appear to be weak. It's not your *race*, it's in
>>your head.
>what? Are you saying that we should just accept the stereotypes that
>are present in the media, regardless of whether they are negative or
>damaging, and not try to educate people or improve things?
I don't think that's what he's saying at all. Stereotypes are always
going to be with us. You may as well get used to it. I for one am glad
of that because stereotypes are funny in many ways amd I, for one,
still enjoy laughing at myself.
But that doesn't mean that we can't fight them. Just don't expect the
media to do it for you. The media's always going to go for the quick
buck. They could care less what people are actually like. EVERYTHING
in the media is a stereotype, from sex-addict black guys, to lisping
gays, to dumb white heterosexuals (men and women). Its up to you to
show people that there is more to the stereotype than what the see.
That's one of the reasons I'm here. Its also one of the reasons that I
live out and open in the world and I live outside a gay ghetto. The
more people that I run into...the more people who get to know me...the
more people who have a perception that gays aren't what they see on TV
and in the movies.
But I still laugh at that lisping gay stereotype, because I'm smart
enough to know that there's still a small bit of that stereotype in
me. And I find it rather funny when I think about it.
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>Realistically, haven't we seen a lot more of these
>groups than Asian Americans?
>
>
What about The Mystery Files Of Shelby Woo? Irene Ng (Shelby) was in Joy Luck
Club and Pat Morita is in that show too. Asians aren't as common as black/white
people, but they're pretty common.
KSG
jay wrote:
>
> I agree with you about rap. The 80's rap/hip-hop generation was definitely the best ever.
> Now it is all either empty (sold out) or in someway affilitated with drugs and gangs.
>
> I agree that the music from Puff Daddy, Ice-Cube, Dr. Dre etc. are pretty good, but the lyrics
> have become tired rhetoric.
80's rap was tite, but you can't front on lots of the new stuff. You
gotta dig a little deeper, but its there. Check out the latest from
Common, Goodie Mobb, Acey, Gangstarr, J5, Blackstar (Kweli & Mos Def).
Definitely compares with the best from any era.
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joshua shen
mark B. You are such a fucked up asiaphile.
Ask Peter, ask Laura, ask any asian woman who realized your "problem" and
got the hell away from you.
Obviously, I've wised up since my freshman year. You, on the other hand,
are still the same.
Why the hell do you think I try my damndest to ignore you every time I run
across you?
I was stupid as a freshman. But I wised up.
joshua shen
In article <6ml062$2...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, ma...@nospam.nwu.edu (Mark Ssi)
wrote:
> In article <anarky-1806...@ur225.ur.nwu.edu>, ana...@nwu.edu
(Joshua Shen) wrote:
>
> the NU Hunger Strike for Asian-American studies). Remember how good rap
> was back in the days of Boogie Down Productions and Public Enemy? Yeah,
> me too. Now what do we have? Canibus, Mase, and West Side Connection.
> Their beats are okay, and their braggadocio lyrics are good for comic
> effect, but rap's unifying voice is at best fragmented, at worst in the
> gutter.
>
sarcas...@usa.net
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:09:23 -0400, Sun...@webtv.net (Sunfrog) wrote:
> "Dancer's" question of " Why does Janet Choi look like white trash when
>she smokes?"
>
>Response: Maybe you are not from America or perhaps there are no
>trailer parks in the country in which you live, so I will explain.
>
> There is an unfortunate demograph of American society known as "White
>trash" , sometimes referred to as "trailer trash." They are uneducated
>(not intelligent), dirty (smelly), and they do not have the basic
>manners that you would expect someone in America to have (low class).
>White trash is the metaphor for smoking because, smoking is stupid, it
>stinks and those that smoke have no class.
>
> Translation: When Janet Choi smokes it makes her look like White
>Trash.
>
>Oh yeah, and if this offends you because you smoke then... you are
>idiotic.
>
>
>"Smoking is cool" -- Joe Camel
I disagree. Rich whites smoke too. They also smoke cigars.
Historically, smoking was seen as sophisticated. Most
film stars were shown smoking.
sarcas...@usa.net
On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:40:32 GMT, Big Pete wrote:
>Sun...@webtv.net (Sunfrog) wrote:
>
>:JANET CHOI should not smoke..it makes her look like white trash, All
>:people who smoke look like white trash, even if they aren't white. And
>:we won't even mention how they smell. (YUCK)!
>
> You think that's bad, but listen to this: Koreans eat this
>bullshit called kimchee that reeks of garlic. They eat so much of that
>shit it makes not only their breath stink, but they entire body smells
>because it comes out in their sweat.
>
> As far as Korean women go, Janet ain't all that. Trust me, I live
>there for two years. I have bedded hundreds of them. I don't think I'd
>give Janet a notice even after 8 or 9 sojus. She has the typical moon
>head that a lot of Koreans have. Her head is huge and round. She
>wouldn't stand out in a crowd, so these lamer Korean guys can have her.
>She probably sucks in bed, too, because really, Korean women are sexually
>repressed. The men are raised to beat up on the women, and the women
>aren't very open minded since they are so used to their drunken husbands
>coming home at night, forcing themselves on them for 2 minutes and then
>falling fast asleep.
So you're an improvement?
mashed potatoes
> >Sun...@webtv.net (Sunfrog) wrote:
> > As far as Korean women go, Janet ain't all that. Trust me, I live
> >there for two years. I have bedded hundreds of them. I don't think I'd
> >give Janet a notice even after 8 or 9 sojus. She has the typical moon
> >head that a lot of Koreans have. Her head is huge and round.
If Krean woman are bad in bed and smell of garlic the way you say then why
so you bother?
And if you don't like round faces and small eyes then you must like the
Asian girls that look like
White girls. So why not just date White girls?
masher
Daniel Donghoon Paik
In article <01bd9fa9$eeef6e00$ca72...@ashbym.ans.nccf.weyer.com>,
mashed potatoes <ash...@wdni.com> wrote:
>> > As far as Korean women go, Janet ain't all that. Trust me, I live
>> >there for two years. I have bedded hundreds of them. I don't think I'd
>> >give Janet a notice even after 8 or 9 sojus. She has the typical moon
>> >head that a lot of Koreans have. Her head is huge and round.
he said that he doesn't like janet choi...but i'm sure deep in his mind,
she's exactly the type of korean girl that he likes....
as for me, she's pretty gross...probably among the ugliest korean girls
that i've ever seen....people (besides this racist guy) actually think
she's pretty?
i don't care if she smokes...hell, a lot of korean girls smoke. but she
has an annoying voice, is stupid as fuck, and makes me want to strangle
her.
Dan.
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mashed potatoes
Daniel Donghoon Paik <uc...@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in article
> has an annoying voice, is stupid as fuck, and makes me want to strangle
> her.
I guess anyone that is stupid enough to go on the show has to be annoying.
masher
slacker808
1) Sunfrog and Big Pete need to get their asses kicked for being such
ignorant fucks. i can't believe anyone can be this stupid. they must be
inbred. and possibly related. or they've been sniffing too much airplane
glue.
2) geez! what is with all this Janet bashing? she's nothing compared to
the rest of the skanks in the Real World. i'm talking about both male
and female skanks. i think they're all acting like a bunch of immature,
sex-starved, high school kids. and they're *all* fake. i hope this is
the last season. i want this show to end with *some* dignity. ;-)
---
rich
sarcas...@usa.net wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Forward
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:40:32 GMT, Big Pete wrote:
>
> >Sun...@webtv.net (Sunfrog) wrote:
> >
> >:JANET CHOI should not smoke..it makes her look like white trash, All
> >:people who smoke look like white trash, even if they aren't white. And
> >:we won't even mention how they smell. (YUCK)!
> >
> > You think that's bad, but listen to this: Koreans eat this
> >bullshit called kimchee that reeks of garlic. They eat so much of that
> >shit it makes not only their breath stink, but they entire body smells
> >because it comes out in their sweat.
> >
> > As far as Korean women go, Janet ain't all that. Trust me, I live
> >there for two years. I have bedded hundreds of them. I don't think I'd
> >give Janet a notice even after 8 or 9 sojus. She has the typical moon
slacker808
Daniel Donghoon Paik wrote:
>
> In article <01bd9fa9$eeef6e00$ca72...@ashbym.ans.nccf.weyer.com>,
> mashed potatoes <ash...@wdni.com> wrote:
> >> >there for two years. I have bedded hundreds of them. I don't think I'd
> >> >give Janet a notice even after 8 or 9 sojus. She has the typical moon
> >> >head that a lot of Koreans have. Her head is huge and round.
>
> he said that he doesn't like janet choi...but i'm sure deep in his mind,
> she's exactly the type of korean girl that he likes....
>
> as for me, she's pretty gross...probably among the ugliest korean girls
> that i've ever seen....people (besides this racist guy) actually think
> she's pretty?
>
> has an annoying voice, is stupid as fuck, and makes me want to strangle
> her.
nope. Janet has the least annoying voice. i think Irene's is horrid. and
to top it off, she talks like Spicolli from Fast Times at Ridgemont
High. the next annoying voice would be Linsay. sounds like she's been
smoking since preschool or something. and they're all stupid as fuck.
this season sucks.
---
rich
Eng...@earthlink.net
sarcas...@usa.net wrote:
>
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:39:57 GMT, Samantha Anne Cox
> <jco...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >First of all:
> > You are a stuck up S.O.B.
>
> Why?
>
> >You stereotype korean women and people as "sweaty
> >kimchee eaters that stink" and that they are abusive.
>
> Uh, did you read the post carefully? What you're attributing to me
> belonged to a poster named "Big Pete."
>
This "Big Pete" charracter is probably white-trash, anyways. He's
probably insecure about himself so he goes out blaming the korean guys
and gals for his problems.
-
SCAA's Official Host,
#1 Evil Flamewarrior,
Eng
ovacer
In article <3591926F...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc>, slacker808 <slack...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc> wrote:
snip
>sex-starved, high school kids. and they're *all* fake. i hope this is
>the last season. i want this show to end with *some* dignity. ;-)
Simple. Stop watching it. I did. Haven't watch any drivel from MTV since 1994.
deh...@rt67.com
In alt.tv.real-world sarcas...@usa.net wrote:
: Thanks Der Terminator.
: You gotta go check out and post to alt.tv.real-world.
: There's a big flamewar going on. There are two
: white males arguing the specious argument that
: asian americans should stop being asians and
: be simply americans. They find asian americans
: to be somehow wrong. And Joshua Shen posted
: there. The troublemaker. heh.
I've seen no such argument (that asian americans should stop being asians
etc). Who are the'white males' youre refering to?
-Dan
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deh...@rt67.com
In alt.tv.real-world slacker808 <slack...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc> wrote:
: 2) geez! what is with all this Janet bashing? she's nothing compared to
: the rest of the skanks in the Real World. i'm talking about both male
: and female skanks. i think they're all acting like a bunch of immature,
: sex-starved, high school kids. and they're *all* fake. i hope this is
: the last season. i want this show to end with *some* dignity. ;-)
You know, when there's a television show that I dislike (Ellen or Melrose
Place for example), I just don't watch it. YMMV.
Daniel Donghoon Paik
In article <6ms0dv$rvi$2...@its.hooked.net>, Richard Lee <lo...@wenet.net> wrote:
>Daniel Donghoon Paik (uc...@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) scribbled:
>Margaret Cho.
okay, margaret is worse than janet.
other ugly asian girls/women...yoko ono, sandra cho? (girl in Arli$$).
i'm sure you can think of more.
Alex Lam
deh...@rt67.com wrote:
>
> In alt.tv.real-world slacker808 <slack...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc> wrote:
>
> : 2) geez! what is with all this Janet bashing? she's nothing compared to
> : the rest of the skanks in the Real World. i'm talking about both male
> : and female skanks. i think they're all acting like a bunch of immature,
> : sex-starved, high school kids. and they're *all* fake. i hope this is
> : the last season. i want this show to end with *some* dignity. ;-)
>
> You know, when there's a television show that I dislike (Ellen or Melrose
> Place for example), I just don't watch it. YMMV.
>
> -Dan
>
You can't do that. That is totally unacceptable here.
(It's very un-scaa, or to be more specific: anti-engdom; if
you do not go with our #1 lame warrior and his racist gangs'
line of thinking.) If you do that. Or you'll be labled as
"banana", "twinkies", "sell out", "asianphile", etc. etc. ;-)
You have to find racism in every t.v. shows and movies, then
bitch and yap about it here. Or you'll not be welcomed here.
Am I right? Eng?
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slacker808
it's called cross-posting. read the headers next time. :-)
---
rich
SMUgrad wrote:
>
> After auditioning to be the newest Spice Girl, c...@you.edu (ovacer)
> sat down and composed this:
>
> >In article <3591926F...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc>, slacker808 <slack...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc> wrote:
> >snip
> >>sex-starved, high school kids. and they're *all* fake. i hope this is
> >>the last season. i want this show to end with *some* dignity. ;-)
> >
> >Simple. Stop watching it. I did. Haven't watch any drivel from MTV since 1994.
>
> Of course, now, your post begs the question why are you even posting
> in the "Real World" newsgroup if you haven't watched MTV since 1994?
>
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SMUgrad
After auditioning to be the newest Spice Girl, deh...@rt67.com sat
down and composed this:
>You know, when there's a television show that I dislike (Ellen or Melrose
>Place for example)
<gasp>!!! You don't like MP???
SMUgrad
After auditioning to be the newest Spice Girl, c...@you.edu (ovacer)
sat down and composed this:
>In article <3591926F...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc>, slacker808 <slack...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc> wrote:
>snip
>>sex-starved, high school kids. and they're *all* fake. i hope this is
>>the last season. i want this show to end with *some* dignity. ;-)
>
>Simple. Stop watching it. I did. Haven't watch any drivel from MTV since 1994.
Of course, now, your post begs the question why are you even posting
in the "Real World" newsgroup if you haven't watched MTV since 1994?
**********
ovacer
In article <35931896...@news.mindspring.com>,
>Of course, now, your post begs the question why are you even posting
>in the "Real World" newsgroup if you haven't watched MTV since 1994?
b/c it's crossposted to scaa?
SMUgrad
SMUgrad
After auditioning to be the newest Spice Girl, slacker808
<slack...@whatever.net.com.edu.org.mil.gov.etc> sat down and
composed this:
>it's called cross-posting. read the headers next time. :-)
I realized that after I sent the message...
SMUgrad - we can all sleep safely now...there's a new member of the
newsgroup police among us...
deh...@rt67.com
In alt.tv.real-world Alex Lam <Xla...@alexlam.com> wrote:
: No,
: You can't do that. That is totally unacceptable here.
: (It's very un-scaa, or to be more specific: anti-engdom; if
: you do not go with our #1 lame warrior and his racist gangs'
: line of thinking.) If you do that. Or you'll be labled as
: "banana", "twinkies", "sell out", "asianphile", etc. etc. ;-)
Fortunately, "here" is atr-w. scaa was only added in someone's lame
attempt to troll this nonsense into a full-blown thread. I suppose the
attempt wasn't all that lame, given that it's actually worked.
FWIW, I've already been accused of having an 'asian female fetish' for my
belief that people (in this case, Janet) should be allowed to date/find
attactive whoever they want regardless of region of hereditary origin.
:You have to find racism in every t.v. shows and movies,then
: bitch and yap about it here. Or you'll not be welcomed here.
Again, "here" is atr-w. We're first in the newsgroups line. You chumps
are just a load of second-rate hangers-on.
Given the quality of the posts emminating from scaa, I'm glad I don't
frequent the group.
-Dan
Richard Lee
deh...@rt67.com scribbled:
: Given the quality of the posts emminating from scaa, I'm glad I don't
: frequent the group.
Normally I would agree, but that fact is, the above statement is
incredibly ironic considering that it originates from alt.tv.real-world.
This isn't to insult all the posters there, but somehow, the idea of a
newsgroup dedicated to one of the worst shows in tv history with some of
the most dislikable people in recent memory just doesn't strike me as very
intellectual.
Richard Lee
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--seen on a sign held by a student in the stands at the Utah vs.
Colorado St. basketball game in 1997, televised by ESPN.
deh...@rt67.com
In alt.tv.real-world Richard Lee <lo...@wenet.net> wrote:
: Normally I would agree, but that fact is, the above statement is
: incredibly ironic considering that it originates from alt.tv.real-world.
: This isn't to insult all the posters there, but somehow, the idea of a
: newsgroup dedicated to one of the worst shows in tv history with some of
: the most dislikable people in recent memory just doesn't strike me as very
: intellectual.
One might want to actually read posts in the group one is trying to
lambast before doing so. Most of the regulars in atr-w realize and admit
that the TV show is anti-intellectual claptrap. We're just not too
pretensious to admit that, once a week or so, we enjoy watching
anti-intellectual claptrap.
I'd draw parallels to the movies of a certain asian martial-arts movie
star, but I don't want to be accused of racism. Also, I like said movie
star.