Quantum Leap question
Ubiquitous
clothes so perfectly. I mean, his body was there, but people saw the
other person, so the clothes had to fit HIS body.
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Ubiquitous
perfectly? I mean, his body was there, but people saw the other
person, so the clothes had to fit HIS body...
Anim8rFSK
Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> How exactly was Sam supposed to fit into everyone's clothes so
> perfectly? I mean, his body was there, but people saw the other
> person, so the clothes had to fit HIS body...
Don't ask. The show was completely in disagreement on it. So were the 2
women that wrote the novels. One insisted that it was happening the way
you said, and Sam was really there, and somehow the clothes fit, and the
other said nothing but Sam's mind moved, and seeing him was just for the
benefit of us and Al. The second woman was proven wrong a couple times,
like in the Jennifer Aniston green mini skirt episode, where Sam was in
an amputee and ran around and everybody thought he was levitating.
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"Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
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> How exactly did his character was supposed to fit into everyone's
> clothes so perfectly. I mean, his body was there, but people saw the
> other person, so the clothes had to fit HIS body.
>
It (most likely) had to do with the relationship between timelines and their
interactions in quantum physics. People in and from the past saw the people
from the past. People from Sam's time (the future) would see Sam, including
Sam himself. So when Sam looks at himself in a mirror or what not, he's
seeing himself inhabiting the space of the other person and thus their
clothing. Any discrepantly could be explained through spatial warping caused
by connecting the two timelines together.
Or you could just say they dressed him up like the person so that the viewer
would know who he was suppose to be.
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"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> ANIM...@cox.net wrote:
> >Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
> >>How exactly was Sam supposed to fit into everyone's clothes so
> >>perfectly? I mean, his body was there, but people saw the other
> >>person, so the clothes had to fit HIS body...
>
> >Don't ask. The show was completely in disagreement on it. So were the 2
> >women that wrote the novels. One insisted that it was happening the way
> >you said, and Sam was really there, and somehow the clothes fit, and the
> >other said nothing but Sam's mind moved, and seeing him was just for the
> >benefit of us and Al. The second woman was proven wrong a couple times,
> >like in the Jennifer Aniston green mini skirt episode, where Sam was in
> >an amputee and ran around and everybody thought he was levitating.
>
> In one of the episodes in which Sam gave birth, Sam was truly terrified
> he'd be ripped apart. Al reported that the baby magically left the woman
> to appear in Sam's time. If it wasn't Sam's body, just his mind, what
> was the problem?
>
> You're right. They never decided what happened.
Yeah, the 'we're examining the pregnant woman in the future' is another
body switch episode, except they didn't act like it was.
krp
"Patrick McNamara" <writer...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
> news:nL-dnWALx8vHEH_U...@giganews.com...
>> How exactly did his character was supposed to fit into everyone's
>> clothes so perfectly. I mean, his body was there, but people saw the
>> other person, so the clothes had to fit HIS body.
>>
>
> It (most likely) had to do with the relationship between timelines and
> their interactions in quantum physics. People in and from the past saw the
> people from the past. People from Sam's time (the future) would see Sam,
> including Sam himself. So when Sam looks at himself in a mirror or what
> not, he's seeing himself inhabiting the space of the other person and thus
> their clothing. Any discrepantly could be explained through spatial
> warping caused by connecting the two timelines together.
>
> Or you could just say they dressed him up like the person so that the
> viewer would know who he was suppose to be.
Can't you people just ENJOY any series? Do you HAVE TO analyze every premise
in them?
jwsd...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
> "Ubiquitous" <web...@polaris.net> wrote in message
>
> news:nL-dnWALx8vHEH_U...@giganews.com...
>
> > How exactly did his character was supposed to fit into everyone's
> > clothes so perfectly. I mean, his body was there, but people saw the
> > other person, so the clothes had to fit HIS body.
>
> It (most likely) had to do with the relationship between timelines and their
> interactions in quantum physics. People in and from the past saw the people
> from the past. People from Sam's time (the future) would see Sam, including
> Sam himself. So when Sam looks at himself in a mirror or what not, he's
> seeing himself inhabiting the space of the other person and thus their
> clothing. Any discrepantly could be explained through spatial warping caused
> by connecting the two timelines together.
The "man in the mirror" kept reminding us of who Sam was supposed to
look like. After that, almost anything could happen.
-
I can remember a series of NBC commercials, where Sam "leaped" into
various famous people and characters.
-
In one, he started out explaining that he can only know who he is by
looking into a mirror. But, this time, when he looked, he didn't see
anything! It turns out that he had "leapt" into Dracula! "Ohhhh,
boy!"
SoHillsGuy
> "Patrick McNamara" <writerpatr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Hey now. Relax. It was a legitimate question. Every show should
have its own set of applied rules and there's nothing wrong in
questioning that, especially if it's by a new or casual fan. People
want to understand what they're watching.
However, the fluid nature of "Quantum Leap" can actually be explained
away by its very premise. This was a scientific experiment gone
awry. But it very nature, things were always happening to Sam (and
Al) that were new to them. Even they didn't know exactly what the
rules were or what to expect in the future. They didn't know Sam
could jump into a woman, until he did it. They didn't know Sam could
jump into an animal, until he did it. They didn't know Sam could jump
into the far past prior to his timeline, until he did it.
Even the pronoun used for the Ziggy computer jumped back and forth
between male and female. (I think Al even once used both in the same
sentence, or in consecutive sentences. It's been a while since I've
watched...)
So, yes, while fans should complain if seemingly-established rules are
broken in "Star Trek" or "Battlestar" or whatever, fans of "QL" just
need to accept that rules are fluid in this premise. Just go with it.
krp
"SoHillsGuy" <jerr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >> How exactly did his character was supposed to fit into everyone's
> >> clothes so perfectly. I mean, his body was there, but people saw the
> >> other person, so the clothes had to fit HIS body.
>
> > It (most likely) had to do with the relationship between timelines and
> > their interactions in quantum physics. People in and from the past saw
> > the
> > people from the past. People from Sam's time (the future) would see Sam,
> > including Sam himself. So when Sam looks at himself in a mirror or what
> > not, he's seeing himself inhabiting the space of the other person and
> > thus
> > their clothing. Any discrepantly could be explained through spatial
> > warping caused by connecting the two timelines together.
>
> > Or you could just say they dressed him up like the person so that the
> > viewer would know who he was suppose to be.
>
> Can't you people just ENJOY any series? Do you HAVE TO analyze every
> premise
> in them?
Hey now. Relax. It was a legitimate question. Every show should
have its own set of applied rules and there's nothing wrong in
questioning that, especially if it's by a new or casual fan. People
want to understand what they're watching.
WHY must it? Why not just ENJOY it? The show concept is ABSURD. But it
was FUN....... You people really can't just ENJOY these things. You're the
types that come to a party, a backyard bar be que and you start listing all
the INGREDIENTS in the hotdogs and bratwurst until nobody can eat anything.
Just to prove you CAN. It is Science FICTION - note the FICTION part. The
"Science" part is a misnomer some newspaper reporter applied to the genre.
Again I point out - THERE ARE NO BORG! There is NO Stargate. There are NO
Klingons. There are NO cylons. There is NO Tardis. It is supposed to just be
fun. Entertaining. Escapism. NOT a damn science class.
David Johnston
>Again I point out - THERE ARE NO BORG! There is NO Stargate. There are NO
>Klingons. There are NO cylons. There is NO Tardis. It is supposed to just be
>fun. Entertaining. Escapism. NOT a damn science class.
Science fiction is not automatically crap. Other genres have a need
for consistency and are damaged when they contradict themselves, so
why not sf? That the technology in Quantum Leap is imaginary doesn't
mean that it should be written with no clear idea of what it does.
>
Joe Pfeiffer
>
> WHY must it? Why not just ENJOY it? The show concept is ABSURD. But
> it was FUN....... You people really can't just ENJOY these
> things. You're the types that come to a party, a backyard bar be que
> and you start listing all the INGREDIENTS in the hotdogs and bratwurst
> until nobody can eat anything. Just to prove you CAN. It is Science
> FICTION - note the FICTION part. The "Science" part is a misnomer some
> newspaper reporter applied to the genre. Again I point out - THERE
> ARE NO BORG! There is NO Stargate. There are NO Klingons. There are NO
> cylons. There is NO Tardis. It is supposed to just be
> fun. Entertaining. Escapism. NOT a damn science class.
Because some of us enjoy what we watch and read more without turning
our brains off. It's fine if you want to stare mindlessly at the TV
screen, but please quit complaining about the rest of us.
You're telling me I can't enjoy rainbow if I know how refraction
works. Of course I can.
krp
"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
news:t0n6u4hvkmfru9jqo...@4ax.com...
David - why does any S/F program that is not 100% scientifically accurate in
ALL details have to be "crap?" You seem to miss that "continuity" is one
thing, but what you and your pals insist on isn't "continuity" (meaning
that he actor has the same clothes on within a scene shot at different
times). What YOU want is compliance with YOUR views of science. It's just a
TV show. Do you think Lucy Ricardo REALLY worked in a winery stomping
grapes? Did you get that almost NONE of the show "HAPPY DAYS" set in
Milwaukee ever used shots from Wisconsin? Ever notice that in MASH they were
in the Los Angeles foothills and NOT Korea? Do you think the courts REALLY
work the way they are depicted on Law and Order, or LA Law? Do you think the
US Navy has actually sent JAG lawyers to Havana, Cuba to argue a case there?
Don't even get me started on the CAR jumps etc. It was ONLY a TV show. It
was bullshit from the opening credits to the close. It was SUPPOSED to be to
everyone but a few anal-retentive clowns who have NO personal lives who hang
out on the internet grousing about trivia unless they are at a CON doing the
same thing in their little KLINGON SUITS.
Excuse me if I fail to take you guys seriously.
krp
"Joe Pfeiffer" <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote in message
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>> WHY must it? Why not just ENJOY it? The show concept is ABSURD. But
>> it was FUN....... You people really can't just ENJOY these
>> things. You're the types that come to a party, a backyard bar be que
>> and you start listing all the INGREDIENTS in the hotdogs and bratwurst
>> until nobody can eat anything. Just to prove you CAN. It is Science
>> FICTION - note the FICTION part. The "Science" part is a misnomer some
>> newspaper reporter applied to the genre. Again I point out - THERE
>> ARE NO BORG! There is NO Stargate. There are NO Klingons. There are NO
>> cylons. There is NO Tardis. It is supposed to just be
>> fun. Entertaining. Escapism. NOT a damn science class.
>
> Because some of us enjoy what we watch and read more without turning
> our brains off.
Fine - watch PBS. Let the rest of enjoy the ENTERTAINMENT.
David Johnston
>
>"David Johnston" <da...@block.net> wrote in message
>news:t0n6u4hvkmfru9jqo...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:03:59 GMT, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Again I point out - THERE ARE NO BORG! There is NO Stargate. There are NO
>>>Klingons. There are NO cylons. There is NO Tardis. It is supposed to just
>>>be
>>>fun. Entertaining. Escapism. NOT a damn science class.
>>
>> Science fiction is not automatically crap. Other genres have a need
>> for consistency and are damaged when they contradict themselves, so
>> why not sf? That the technology in Quantum Leap is imaginary doesn't
>> mean that it should be written with no clear idea of what it does.
>
>
>David - why does any S/F program that is not 100% scientifically accurate in
>ALL details have to be "crap?"
Why are you confusing a program contradicting itself with scientific
accuracy?
krp
Why can't you just ENJOY? QL was a very good program. Scott Bakula was
excellent in the role. Dean Stockwell is also an extremely accomplished
actor. WHY do you need to NIT PICK these shows to death? Just have some
popcorn and some Dad's root beer and ENJOY. Much more fun than bitching
about everything.
Joe Pfeiffer
Us? Near as I can tell, you're the only one insisting entertainment
requires not paying attention to internal consistency, laws of
physics, or anything else involving thinking. And while I think *we're*
all perfectly happy to let you watch a show any way you want, you seem
to want to dictate to us the terms under which we are allowed to enjoy
it, and to be demanding that we not talk about it in any terms other
than "Ogg like show".
SoHillsGuy
> "SoHillsGuy" <jerryg...@comcast.net> wrote in message
So, basically, you've decided to ignore my second paragraph which
basically -- and much more politely -- agrees with you?
Nice.
And stop screaming at people...
Brian Thorn
<writer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It (most likely) had to do with the relationship between timelines and their
>interactions in quantum physics. People in and from the past saw the people
>from the past. People from Sam's time (the future) would see Sam, including
>Sam himself. So when Sam looks at himself in a mirror or what not, he's
>seeing himself inhabiting the space of the other person and thus their
>clothing.
The show went back and forth on the issue, and Bellisario & Co. didn't
seem too concerned, using the "it's just a TV show" excuse. Sam looked
in a mirror and saw the leapee almost exclusively (saying "I'm black!"
when he leaped into Jesse Tyler in "Color Of Truth") and Al saw the
leapee (not Sam) when Sam was inhabiting the beautiful Samantha
Stormer.
>Any discrepantly could be explained through spatial warping caused
>by connecting the two timelines together.
No, there didn't seem to be any explanation other than inconsistent
writing. Sam had slower cooridination and reflexes when he leaped into
Downs Syndrome sufferer "Jimmy", and felt the pregnant woman's
contractions in "8 1/2 Months" but was able to walk despite the
leapee's loss of his legs in Vietnam in "Nowhere To Run".
Brian
Brian Thorn
>Hey now. Relax. It was a legitimate question. Every show should
>have its own set of applied rules and there's nothing wrong in
>questioning that, especially if it's by a new or casual fan. People
>want to understand what they're watching.
>
> WHY must it?
Because if a show consistently changes its own internal rules, it
takes the sense of danger out of risky situations, for example. Why
watch a show if you know every dangerous situation is going to be
escaped by the application of some hitherto unmentioned "feature" that
the starship has?
- "Oh no! The Borg are about to take over the Earth!"
- "Don't worry, Captain Riker is going to use the Hyperwarp
Transphasic Quantum Reaction Torpedoes to destroy them."
That's "Batman" (the '60s TV show) level writing, and it is perfectly
acceptable to challenge TV writers when they stoop to cheating like
that. Instead of a new wonder-weapon, Captain Riker used Data to
interface with the Borg network and attack from within. That was
something new as well, but it fit nicely within the scope of Data's
known capabilities and didn't require cheating the viewer.
>Why not just ENJOY it? The show concept is ABSURD.
Most show concepts are. You don't think police really have super
laboratories like they do on CSI, do you? You don't really think a
glorified lab tech runs around with a gun arresting people like on
CSI:Miami, do you?
>It is supposed to just be
>fun. Entertaining. Escapism. NOT a damn science class.
They can make up whatever science they want, that's fine with me. But
when, say, the Enterprise crew repeatedly says they can't beam someone
when their shields are up, and then do so to save Captain Kirk from
the Klingons to save the day, it's a cheat.
Brian
Brian Thorn
<jerr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Even the pronoun used for the Ziggy computer jumped back and forth
>between male and female. (I think Al even once used both in the same
>sentence, or in consecutive sentences. It's been a while since I've
>watched...)
Ziggy went from he to she. This is probably explained as being a
result of Sam's altering history in "Star Crossed". Before "Star
Crossed", Sam had been left at the alter by Donna. After "Star
Crossed", we learned that Donna married Sam and was part of Project
Quantum Leap. That Ziggy was now called a "she" is taken as being
Donna's influence on the project.
Brian
Joe User
All fiction must be internally consistent. It doesn't matter what genre
the fiction belongs to -- mystery, science fiction, horror, romance,
western, mainstream Nobel-prize type fiction -- it all has to be
consistent with whatever premises it sets up. Science fiction is not
exempt from this just because of its speculative nature.
If a story, *any* kind of story, goes to the trouble of laying out a rule
for itself (such as Sam's actual physical body jumping around through
time), then it damn well better not violate that rule without at least
acknowledging that something has changed about that rule.
I'm surprised anyone who would go to the trouble of reading this
newsgroup needs to have this explained to him.
Patrick McNamara
"Brian Thorn" <btho...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
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The inconsistent writing was probably more a case of the episodes being
written by different writers. Of course that's when the head writer is
suppose to be editing to make the show more consistent, but at that time
stories tended to be more episodic and there was less concern over such
things.
It also stands to reason that since sci-fi is an exploration of scientific
ideas and deals a lot with the "what-if," that at some point it's going to
do something that turns out to be proven scientifically wrong or impossible.
(Like using a wormhole to travel through time.) Even more so with time
travel since you usually have to ignore dozens of laws to get the concept to
work. (Like two objects occupying the same space at the same time.)
Quantum Leap wasn't about the science as much as using it as a basis for
stories. In fact, aside from the holographic Al (used mostly for exposition)
and the leaping (which normally only happened at the start and end of the
story), there really wasn't a lot of science in the stories.
Sci-fi should never be watched with too much attention. The mistakes tend to
stand out.
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Captain Infinity
Brian Thorn wrote:
Not to mention the new electronic vagina they installed on him.
And then, of course, they had to remove half his brain.
**
Captain Infinity
Captain Infinity
krp wrote:
Hey, listen buddy.....it's spelled "barbecue". Sheesh. Excuse me if I
fail to take you seriously.
**
Captain Infinity
krp
> "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> "Joe Pfeiffer" <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote in message
>> news:1bvdp8p...@snowball.wb.pfeifferfamily.net...
>>
>>>> WHY must it? Why not just ENJOY it? The show concept is ABSURD. But
>>>> it was FUN....... You people really can't just ENJOY these
>>>> things. You're the types that come to a party, a backyard bar be que
>>>> and you start listing all the INGREDIENTS in the hotdogs and bratwurst
>>>> until nobody can eat anything. Just to prove you CAN. It is Science
>>>> FICTION - note the FICTION part. The "Science" part is a misnomer some
>>>> newspaper reporter applied to the genre. Again I point out - THERE
>>>> ARE NO BORG! There is NO Stargate. There are NO Klingons. There are NO
>>>> cylons. There is NO Tardis. It is supposed to just be
>>>> fun. Entertaining. Escapism. NOT a damn science class.
>>>
>>> Because some of us enjoy what we watch and read more without turning
>>> our brains off.
>>
>> Fine - watch PBS. Let the rest of enjoy the ENTERTAINMENT.
>
> Us? Near as I can tell, you're the only one insisting entertainment
> requires not paying attention to internal consistency, laws of
> physics, or anything else involving thinking.
You guys are SO much fun at a party.
krp
> On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:03:59 GMT, "krp" <kr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Hey now. Relax. It was a legitimate question. Every show should
>>have its own set of applied rules and there's nothing wrong in
>>questioning that, especially if it's by a new or casual fan. People
>>want to understand what they're watching.
>>
>> WHY must it?
>
> Because if a show consistently changes its own internal rules, it
> takes the sense of danger out of risky situations, for example. Why
> watch a show if you know every dangerous situation is going to be
> escaped by the application of some hitherto unmentioned "feature" that
> the starship has?
SO WHAT????? It's JUST A TV SHOW.
Lean to ENJOY fer shitzake!
krp
"Joe User" <you...@where.com> wrote in message
news:UsPEl.43204$_R4....@newsfe11.iad...
>
> All fiction must be internally consistent. It doesn't matter what genre
> the fiction belongs to -- mystery, science fiction, horror, romance,
> western, mainstream Nobel-prize type fiction -- it all has to be
> consistent with whatever premises it sets up. Science fiction is not
> exempt from this just because of its speculative nature.
Ever watch DALLAS???
freedom
Ken, you're just not going to be able to understand the concept here, until
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Brian Thorn
>> Because if a show consistently changes its own internal rules, it
>> takes the sense of danger out of risky situations, for example. Why
>> watch a show if you know every dangerous situation is going to be
>> escaped by the application of some hitherto unmentioned "feature" that
>> the starship has?
>
>SO WHAT????? It's JUST A TV SHOW.
>
>Lean to ENJOY fer shitzake!
If you settle for crap, all you'll ever get from TV writers is crap.
You settle for crap. I don't.
Brian
Captain Infinity
Brian Thorn wrote:
>If you settle for crap, all you'll ever get from TV writers is crap.
>You settle for crap. I don't.
How much do you pay the special TV writers who are writing non-crap just
for you? And is there a dental plan?
**
Captain Infinity