So Who Did Create 'The Prisoner'
Ignis Fatuus
Ralph Smart started it off with Danger Man.
Brian Clemens and Ralph Smart wrote 'View From The Villa' which
introduced Drake and Portmeirion.
Ralph Smart and Robert Stewart wrote 'The Relaxed Informer' which
featured a rustic commune in a castle extracting secrets by drug
induced hypnosis.
Donald Jonson wrote 'Colony Three', which featured a spy school in a
mysterious English Village located behind the Iron curtain.
Steve Barri and P.F. Sloan wrote the Danger Man/Secret Agent lyric
Secret agent man, secret agent man
They've given you a number and taken away your name
George Markstein and David Tomblin wrote Arrival, the first episode of
The Prisoner.
Patrick McGoohan and George Markstein are jointly credited with
devising The Prisoner.
Any Other Candidates?
Moor Larkin
by" or a "devised by" credit..... unlike the contemporary Man in a
Suitcase show, which clearly states a 'devised by' credit (I think).
Ignis Fatuus
Devised by Richard Harris and Dennis Spooner
Produced by Sidney Cole
It used some spare scripts from the DM cancellation (McGill is a CIA
renegade turned Bounty Hunter).
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Moor Larkin
re. Man in a Suitcase show,
> Devised by Richard Harris and Dennis Spooner
> Produced by Sidney Cole
> It used some spare scripts from the DM cancellation (McGill is a CIA
> renegade turned Bounty Hunter).
Actually, I just noticed this. Do you actually watch these shows Iggy?
or just write about them?
Just for the record:
McGill was framed by his CIA bosses for a treachery he did not commit
in some Cold war conspiracy that the CIA were supposed to be good at,
in those days. McGill fetched up in Blighty and made a living as a
private detective - not in any way a *Bounty Hunter*.
I would start a McGillisinnocent.ok blog.... except I don't really
care that much...... :-))))))))))
Ignis Fatuus
I suggest you watch some of the shows yourself before you start your
Blog; although as it's unlikely to be read by anyone other than
yourself I doubt accuracy will be much of a consideration.
The DVDs are available from Network complete with documentation and
interviews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_a_Suitcase
The first episode (in production order) - A Man From The Dead -
features a confrontation with McGill's former CIA bosses who had him
framed in order to protect a 'defector' working under cover for the
CIA.
His current 'profession' as a Bounty Hunter is referred to explicitly
in this and other episodes.
The series was created by Dennis Spooner and Richard Harris (not the
Actor) as a replacement for Danger Man. Spooner also created The
Champions, which also reportedly recycled unused Danger Man scripts.
It was produced by Sidney Cole - who succeeded Ralph Smart and Aida
Young as producer of Danger Man (his first episode was the tenth in
production order of season two - Colony Three - which also introduced
the 'negative/positive' title sequence).
Before passing any further comment I suggest you also familiarise
yourself with the meaning of the term Bounty Hunter. A bounty is a
monetary reward - and the term covers the recovery of property as well
as bail jumpers.
Moor Larkin
> Before passing any further comment I suggest you also familiarise
> yourself with the meaning of the term Bounty Hunter. A bounty is a
> monetary reward - and the term covers the recovery of property as well
> as bail jumpers
"A bounty hunter captures fugitives for a monetary reward (bounty).
Other names, mainly used in the United States, include, bail
enforcement agent, fugitive recovery agent, and bail fugitive
investigator. Other countries do not have bounty hunters; they use
standard law enforcement agencies to recover suspects.
Bounty Hunting, and Bounty Hunters, are legal in only two nations, the
United States and the Republic of the Philippines."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_hunter
The taste of paradise lies in not being incorrect. Wiki is good when
it's good, but when it's bad when it can be wicked. I daresay the
dialogue references within the show are as ill-judged as the phrase
"Flapjack Charlie" is from the prisoner.
Ignis Fatuus
We weren't discussing the meaning of the term - although it's more
generally applied to those who recover any kind of valuable item for a
reward, as well as professional hunters of dangerous animals, treasure
hunters, and others who pursue bounty, or booty.
We were discussing your own point
QUOTE
Just for the record:
McGill was framed by his CIA bosses for a treachery he did not commit
in some Cold war conspiracy that the CIA were supposed to be good at,
in those days. McGill fetched up in Blighty and made a living as a
private detective - not in any way a *Bounty Hunter*.
UNQUOTE
and I was merely pointing out the facts that McGill's profession is
described IN THE SERIES as Bounty Hunter.
See
Man From The Dead
Variation on a million Bucks (McGill competes with other Bounty
Hunters to locate a stolen fortune - for the reward).
The Girl Who Never Was (McGill attempts to trace a priceless work of
art for the reward - Story by Robert (Colony Three) Tronson.
All That Glitters (McGill rescues a kidnapped boy)
Dead Man's Shoes (McGill is hired to locate an informant - by the
criminals who want to kill him).
etc.
McGill is also hired as a body-guard in several episodes, and
frequently works 'outside the law' in order to secure his 'bounty'.
See also Banacek - a seventies TV series about a private insurance
investigator (several times referred to as a bounty hunter) who
recovers stolen property for reward.
Moor Larkin
> We were discussing your own point
> QUOTE
> Just for the record:
> McGill was framed by his CIA bosses for a treachery he did not commit
> in some Cold war conspiracy that the CIA were supposed to be good at,
> in those days. McGill fetched up in Blighty and made a living as a
> private detective - not in any way a *Bounty Hunter*.
> UNQUOTE
As opposed to your description of his character ignis?:
QUOTE
(McGill is a CIA renegade turned Bounty Hunter).
UNQUOTE
*Renegade* and *bounty hunter* don't really fit McGill's personality.
You make him sound like some sort of anti-hero.
On 30 Sep, 14:37, Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
> and I was merely pointing out the facts that McGill's profession is described IN THE SERIES as Bounty Hunter.
You could theoretically describe John Drake as a bounty hunter because
he sometimes seemed to work for a cash fee - and you could probably
describe him as a renegade too, in that he sometimes rejected *the
law* in his own quirky way; however to describe him as such would be
almost as misdirecting as the way you described McGill. Didn't the
American bruisers tend to be the ones to refer to him as a *bounty
hunter* as a way to demean him ? Make him sound cheap? That is my
memory anyhow. McGill was always huffing and puffing about his moral
standards, like any other god-fearing Philip Marlowe. But, you're
right that he was always telling people he only did it for the
money....(and then often did it for free).
I'm happy to revisit your wiki with you though:
"McGill was a former US Intelligence agent, who had been forced to
resign from the service six years prior to the opening episode,
practically accused of treason. Unable to clear his name or return to
the USA, McGill makes ends meet by working as a travelling private
detective and bounty hunter, based in Britain, living out of his
suitcase (hence the title)."
Let's leave Banacek out of it huh? It's complicated enough as it
is... :-))))
I hardly remember it except for George Peppard and his polo-neck
jumpers....
Moor
Ignis Fatuus
<moorl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On 30 Sep, 14:37, Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>> We were discussing your own point
>> QUOTE
>> � Just for the record:
>> McGill was framed by his CIA bosses for a treachery he did not commit
>> in some Cold war conspiracy that the CIA were supposed to be good at,
>> in those days. McGill fetched up in Blighty and made a living as a
>> private detective - not in any way a *Bounty Hunter*.
>> UNQUOTE
>
>
>As opposed to your description of his character ignis?:
>QUOTE
>(McGill is a CIA renegade turned Bounty Hunter).
>UNQUOTE
>
>*Renegade* and *bounty hunter* don't really fit McGill's personality.
>You make him sound like some sort of anti-hero.
I don't make him sound like anything - that's down to the producers
and publicists of the show - I'm just reporting what appeared
on-screen although as usual you've snipped those bits so I'll
reinstate them for you
See
Man From The Dead
Variation on a million Bucks (McGill competes with other Bounty
Hunters to locate a stolen fortune - for the reward).
The Girl Who Never Was (McGill attempts to trace a priceless work of
art for the reward - Story by Robert (Colony Three) Tronson.
All That Glitters (McGill rescues a kidnapped boy)
Dead Man's Shoes (McGill is hired to locate an informant - by the
criminals who want to kill him).
etc.
McGill is also hired as a body-guard in several episodes, and
frequently works 'outside the law' in order to secure his 'bounty'.
>
>
>On 30 Sep, 14:37, Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>> and I was merely pointing out the facts that McGill's profession is described IN THE SERIES as Bounty Hunter.
>
>You could theoretically describe John Drake as a bounty hunter because
>he sometimes seemed to work for a cash fee - and you could probably
>describe him as a renegade too, in that he sometimes rejected *the
>law* in his own quirky way; however to describe him as such would be
>almost as misdirecting as the way you described McGill.
You use the word 'misdirecting without providing any instances - but I
suppose that's your own feeble attempt at misdirection.
> Didn't the
>American bruisers tend to be the ones to refer to him as a *bounty
>hunter* as a way to demean him ? Make him sound cheap? That is my
>memory anyhow. McGill was always huffing and puffing about his moral
>standards, like any other god-fearing Philip Marlowe. But, you're
>right that he was always telling people he only did it for the
>money....(and then often did it for free).
He often ended up not collecting because he'd been conned - but that's
not quite the same thing.
>
>I'm happy to revisit your wiki with you though:
>"McGill was a former US Intelligence agent, who had been forced to
>resign from the service six years prior to the opening episode,
>practically accused of treason. Unable to clear his name or return to
>the USA, McGill makes ends meet by working as a travelling private
>detective and bounty hunter, based in Britain, living out of his
>suitcase (hence the title)."
>
>
>Let's leave Banacek out of it huh? It's complicated enough as it
>is... :-))))
I'm just quoting him as another example of a 'bounty hunter' who's not
a bail bondsman. You can leave him wherever you like.
Moor Larkin
> I don't make him sound like anything - that's down to the producers
> and publicists of the show - I'm just reporting what appeared
> on-screen although as usual you've snipped those bits so I'll
> reinstate them for you
You'd already written them and I'd already read them. Why do they need
to reappear over and over again?
It's quite ironic/funny that you are now reporting to me about what
the publicists said about McGill, when earlier I was reporting to you
about what the prisoner publicists said about Number Six and how he
was not John Drake... :-)))
On the themne of reporting, and as nobody else seems inclined to make
anything other than fatuous replies to your original question on this
Thread, it appears to have been Patrick McGoohan:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/patrick-mcgoohan-actor-who-created-and-starred-in-the-cult-1960s-television-series-the-prisoner-1380371.html
roger
news:0e37a3f6-9aad-4b2f...@g31g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On the themne of reporting, and as nobody else seems inclined to make
> anything other than fatuous replies to your original question on this
> Thread, it appears to have been Patrick McGoohan:
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/patrick-mcgoohan-actor-who-created-and-starred-in-the-cult-1960s-television-series-the-prisoner-1380371.html
While on the other hand there's The Guardian sharing the creative honours
with the story editor:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/gallery/2009/jan/15/patr-ck-mcgoohan-the-prisoner-danger-man?picture=341823767
Preserve your memories, they're all that's left you.
Ignis Fatuus
<moorl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On 30 Sep, 17:33, Ignis Fatuus <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>> I don't make him sound like anything - that's down to the producers
>> and publicists of the show - I'm just reporting what appeared
>> on-screen although as usual you've snipped those bits so I'll
>> reinstate them for you
>
>
>You'd already written them and I'd already read them. Why do they need
>to reappear over and over again?
>
>It's quite ironic/funny that you are now reporting to me about what
>the publicists said about McGill, when earlier I was reporting to you
>about what the prisoner publicists said about Number Six and how he
>was not John Drake... :-)))
>
Except that's not the story that came from the producers. As far as
McGill's concerned, MIAS was only mentioned as a series (produced by
Sidney Cole) that absorbed some abandoned Danger Man Scripts.
QUOTE
Devised by Richard Harris and Dennis Spooner
Produced by Sidney Cole
It used some spare scripts from the DM cancellation (McGill is a CIA
renegade turned Bounty Hunter).
UNQUOTE
YOU chose to take issue with the notion that he was a Bounty Hunter.
>
>On the themne of reporting, and as nobody else seems inclined to make
>anything other than fatuous replies to your original question on this
>Thread,
As you are the Only respondent on this thread (ignoring a single
comment), I'll take that as an admission.
Moor Larkin
> As you are the Only respondent on this thread (ignoring a single comment), I'll take that as an admission.
Well.... it was a submission at the very least......
and a sub mission brings David Jones back to mind....... :-)))))))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxIEGeRlq10&feature=related
Ignis Fatuus
The pseudonymous spy - Significantly different to Dr. Carpenter; and
evidently written to capitalise on McGoohan's success as Drake.
Moor Larkin
> The pseudonymous spy - Significantly different to Dr. Carpenter; and evidently written to capitalise on McGoohan's success as Drake.
As was the prisoner of course. Lew Grade would never have stumped up
the backing if McGoohan had suggested he play a kidnapped postal clerk
being spirited away to a small Scandinavian village and made to lick
stamps for the rest of his life, would he? Professional actors might
have ideals but they don't have to be idiotic idealists. What is
remarkable nevertheless is McGoohan's complete refusal to prevaricate
with his then-current Drake fans, when he had the marketing people put
this in their ITC hand-out:
"Who is The Prisoner and what is his name? "Wait and see," is
McGoohan's enigmatic retort to this initial question, and all he will
say about this is that the character is not John Drake of Danger Man
and that he is a man who has retired from a highly confidential job of
the most secret nature.... "
Not quite a renegade bounty hunter but you get the picture... ;o)
Moor
Ignis Fatuus
... who was employed in a similar capacity to Drake (See Many Happy
Returns, Chimes of Big Ben, and Do Not Forsake Me...).
>Not quite a renegade bounty hunter but you get the picture... ;o)
>
I guess they made McGill a renegade bounty hunter to distinguish him
from Drake. It might have been confusing if they'd made him an M9
agent working for World Travel (or World Tobacco... see Do Not Forsake
Me...)
