Married McGoohan now dead was a bi-sexual (book The Official Prisoner Companion showed this)
Bev
the set of his TV show! Gays are often violent in real life kind of
like Drake/Number 6 was! Over 40% of the serial killers have been gay!
Back to Drake/6 notice how he always brings the men up to him real
close after grabbing their collars!
Bev
Article online called "Homosexual serial killers" shows over 40% of
serial killers gay!
Gareth
Would "that book (at amazon)" be the one by Roger "I never met
McGoohan" Langley?
And who cares if it is? (Although your sound grasp of grammar and
spelling, and evident reluctance to be "sensational" (sic) looks
familiar).
Have you ever been intimate on the set of a TV show? Why expect anyone
else to be?
And you know nothing about gay violence.
Troll
P.J. Wentworth
Gareth says...
You aren't a troll, just ignorant.
That "Official" book was the one that said The Kid in Living in Harmony was a
speaking role! That book was a joke from cover to cover.
Focus on the troll who stated this thread - your ignorance is showing.
--
P.J.
Moor Larkin
> That "Official" book was the one that said The Kid in Living in Harmony was a
> speaking role! That book was a joke from cover to cover.
It also made up the story about that episode being *banned* in the
USA; a complete fable that is now widely believed and effectively has
become *history* even though it is untrue and no evidence has ever
been produced to support the assertion.
The story remains quoted in all other *Official* histories to this
day. That book also seemed to provide the basis for a "Prisoner
Companion Video" that still does the rounds, about which McGoohan
commented in 1991,
"We were talking about the seven episodes which form the true basis of
The Prisoner. Well, they picked their seven, but they're not my seven.
They claim they're mine, but they're not. Everything they claimed that
I said, apart from two things, is inaccurate."
http://numbersixwasinnocent.blogspot.com/2009/06/who-controls-past-controls-future-who.html
Legend-11
He was a devout Catholic and very much in love with his wife. He didn't
want his wife or kids to switch the TV on one day and see him canoodling
with another woman. If you want to deem this as a "problem with
intimacy", go ahead...but know that no one here will listen to your
bullshit.
Oh, and to attempt to dissect the private life of a recently deceased,
much loved actor like this is terrible behaviour on your part. Shame on you.
--
Legend-11.
Moor Larkin
> He was a devout Catholic and very much in love with his wife. He didn't
> want his wife or kids to switch the TV on one day and see him canoodling
> with another woman. If you want to deem this as a "problem with
> intimacy", go ahead...but know that no one here will listen to your
> bullshit.
Blame the bullshit books, as well as the dumb-ass readers who believe
the none sense they get peddled. This clip is McGoohan snogging on-
screen just three years after marrying by the way..... the man was
such a hussy !!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/4411423900/
In one interview once, Patrick McGoohan remarked that for Number Six
to have a romantic relationship in the village would be impossible for
without trust how could there be any romance? I'm probably
paraphrasing him, but that was the tone of his comment.
http://numbersixwasinnocent.blogspot.com/2009/06/mcgoohan-on-my-mind-six-sex-romance-and.html
Moor Larkin
Legend-11
> On 15 Oct, 02:22, Legend-11<Legend...@spamless.com> wrote:
>> He was a devout Catholic and very much in love with his wife. He didn't
>> want his wife or kids to switch the TV on one day and see him canoodling
>> with another woman. If you want to deem this as a "problem with
>> intimacy", go ahead...but know that no one here will listen to your
>> bullshit.
>
>
> Blame the bullshit books, as well as the dumb-ass readers who believe
> the none sense they get peddled. This clip is McGoohan snogging on-
> screen just three years after marrying by the way..... the man was
> such a hussy !!
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/4411423900/
Perhaps that was the catalyst for his decision to not do it again?
Perhaps he felt Joan never liked seeing that and he simply decided
enough is enough? Whatever the case, I know it wasn't because he was gay
(not that there would be anything wrong with that) or that he had a
problem with intimacy.
--
Legend-11.
Moor Larkin
> Perhaps that was the catalyst for his decision to not do it again?
No. He had physical liasons of varying degrees in three of his four
Rank movies later, especially with Melinda Mercouri in "The Gypsy &
The Gentleman". It seems obvious from his generality of roles that
McGoohan had no appetite for *bedroom scenes*. You only have to read
his interviews from the Sixties to realise he was rather serious-
minded about the *permissive society*, particularly on television. At
the same time, he was quoted more than once as thoroughly approving of
the British decriminilisation of homosexuality, so he was by no means
a reactionary either.
In his later career he became rather more louche in one or two roles,
but in truth never overly familiar....:-)))
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/4410588809/
Graeme
> Forgot to change the bullshit title of this Thread........ :-((
Except that the problem was with the troll that started the thread,
not with the book. If you'll read the first post carefully, she
admits that the book does not in fact claim what the thread title
claimed that it did.
Legend-11
> On 19 Oct, 06:16, Legend-11<Legend...@spamless.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps that was the catalyst for his decision to not do it again?
>
>
> No. He had physical liasons of varying degrees in three of his four
> Rank movies later, especially with Melinda Mercouri in "The Gypsy&
> The Gentleman". It seems obvious from his generality of roles that
> McGoohan had no appetite for *bedroom scenes*. You only have to read
> his interviews from the Sixties to realise he was rather serious-
> minded about the *permissive society*, particularly on television. At
> the same time, he was quoted more than once as thoroughly approving of
> the British decriminilisation of homosexuality, so he was by no means
> a reactionary either.
Well of course...an anti-gay actor is a rare breed, religious or not.
Nature of the business and all that. Only Mel Gibson springs to mind,
really. :)
>
> In his later career he became rather more louche in one or two roles,
> but in truth never overly familiar....:-)))
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/4410588809/
--
Legend-11.
redcat
"Bev" is also a masculine name. Sounds more like a guy who would be
concerned with this sort of thing, anyway.
redcat
panky. Most featured love scenes in movies and on TV are unrealistic,
cheesy and dead boring. An small action, a word, a look can convey
intimacy in a good filmed story. A sex scene in a movie is merely filler
for the unimaginative director. (Conversely, haven't we all heard said
that plot in an adult film just slows down the, um, action?)
rc
Legend-11
I think it depends really. Being a big sci-fi fan, I am often shocked at
the reaction by many fellow fans to sex scenes...it is a big genre no no
for some bizarre reason. Recently with Stargate Universe, the fans went
totally ape shit because it showed sex scenes and had lesbian
characters...they accused both as being gimmicks and not adding to the
story (there is much to complain about in the case of SGU, but sex and
lesbians are not on my own list).
Personally, I just see sex as part of the human condition and accept
most sex scenes as simply showing humans as they are...warts and all. I
say most as sometimes it IS used for the sake of it and doesn't add
anything to the story...or feels forced and out of place...but if done
well, I don't mind so much.
I don't like acting in my porn, though. "I've come to fix your washing
machine, love"....oh gimme a break! ;)
--
Legend-11.
redcat
That's the thing, if it was "warts and all" it would be interesting. But
kissing scenes and sex scenes are so generic you may as well show the
birds and the bees and the train & tunnel to nudge it along.
The best sex scenes in a movie are in A Clockwork Orange. I don't mean
the rape. I mean where the policeman in the audience, at the
demonstration of Alex's newly learned ways, is completely paralyzed
seeing a nearly naked girl and then applauds wildly. OK, it's not a
*sex* scene, but that's what it's about. And the one at the very end, "I
was cured, all right." Shows just enough for the message to get across.
Also the Wm Tell Overture bedroom romp is good. It makes fun instead of
making shockingly boring.
John W Kennedy
> On 19/10/2010 10:30, Moor Larkin wrote:
>> On 19 Oct, 06:16, Legend-11<Legend...@spamless.com> wrote:
>>> Perhaps that was the catalyst for his decision to not do it again?
>>
>>
>> No. He had physical liasons of varying degrees in three of his four
>> Rank movies later, especially with Melinda Mercouri in "The Gypsy&
>> The Gentleman". It seems obvious from his generality of roles that
>> McGoohan had no appetite for *bedroom scenes*. You only have to read
>> his interviews from the Sixties to realise he was rather serious-
>> minded about the *permissive society*, particularly on television. At
>> the same time, he was quoted more than once as thoroughly approving of
>> the British decriminilisation of homosexuality, so he was by no means
>> a reactionary either.
>
>
> Well of course...an anti-gay actor is a rare breed, religious or not.
> Nature of the business and all that. Only Mel Gibson springs to mind,
> really. :)
And Mel Gibson is a (professionally speaking) American film actor.
McGoohan paid his dues, and made his reputation, on stage. (In the UK,
an actor is an actor; in the US, alas, there's a bit of a caste system.)
--
John W Kennedy
"The grand art mastered the thudding hammer of Thor
And the heart of our lord Taliessin determined the war."
-- Charles Williams. "Mount Badon"
Moor Larkin
And Mel Gibson is a (professionally speaking) American film actor.
McGoohan paid his dues, and made his reputation, on stage. (In the
UK,
an actor is an actor; in the US, alas, there's a bit of a caste
system.)
Nice to see it's not just McGoohan who is subject to lazy
inaccuracies
" After school, he thought of the priesthood, then journalism, but he
had no genuine vocation, ending up employed at an orange juice
bottling plant in Sydney. His sister Sheila, though, was a big admirer
of Mel's elaborately staged jokes, his talent for mimicry and his
ability with accents - he had, after all, learned to speak 'Strine.
So, she filled in an application form for him to join the National
Institute of Dramatic Arts, at the University of New South Wales.
Having tested the water (and some adventure) by taking a course at the
New Zealand Drama School in Wellington, Mel went along to NIDA and,
somehow, was accepted.
It wasn't easy to begin with. Mel didn't take it seriously and so
suffered the disapproval of students who did. He grew his hair and a
beard and did all those Seventies things that have very little to do
with disciplined work. He moved out of his parents' home to share a
flat with three other guys. You can imagine...
But, after a while, he began to make an effort, conquering the
terrible stage fright that had seen him have to sit down during his
first ever performance. Playing Romeo alongside fellow student Judy
Davis, he was a real success. With his hair and beard removed, people
began to take notice of his extraordinary good looks. He shared a flat
with Geoffrey Rush and began to exhibit some of Rush's flair and
enthusiasm for theatre.
To learn his craft, he joined the South Australia Theatre Company and
toured with Waiting For Godot. When renting a room in Adelaide, he
entered the kitchen one day to find a pretty young woman, a dental
assistant named Robyn Moore, making breakfast. She had a boyfriend
then but, by June of 1980 she and Mel would be married, now having
seven children.
Mel continued his stage education, appearing in Oedipus Rex and Henry
IV. Always keen to expand his repertoire, he also starred in Tim,
written by Colleen McCullough. Here he played a labourer of below-
average intelligence who's befriended by older woman Piper Laurie.
Choosing to highlight his character's innocence, rather than his
disability, Gibson was charming and convincing, and won the Best Actor
Award from the Australian Film Institute."
http://www.talktalk.co.uk/entertainment/film/biography/artist/mel-gibson/biography/81?page=1
It's not hard to see why McGoohan and Gibson would have had a lot in
common, and they did conspire to throw the gay knight out the window
in Braveheart, leading the "New York Magazine" to accuse Gibson of gay-
baiting........... :-)))))))))))))))
McGoohan seemed to escape scot-free that time....... ;-D
Brian Watson
"Legend-11" <Lege...@spamless.com> wrote in message
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> Personally, I just see sex as part of the human condition and accept most
> sex scenes as simply showing humans as they are...warts and all.
To each their own...
Lol!
--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
www.imagebus.co.uk/shop
Brian Watson
"John W Kennedy" <jwk...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> ... Mel Gibson is a (professionally speaking) American film actor.
> McGoohan paid his dues, and made his reputation, on stage. (In the UK, an
> actor is an actor; in the US, alas, there's a bit of a caste system.)
Huh?
I don't understand that comment.
There are actors and actresses of all races and genders in the tv shows I've
seen out of the US.
Some specifically focus on one sub-set of humanity, it's true, but I don't
THINK that's what you're saying, is it?
Neo
And what where the remaining 60% ?
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redcat
> "John W Kennedy"<jwk...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:4cbf75d0$0$7135$607e...@cv.net...
>
>> ... Mel Gibson is a (professionally speaking) American film actor.
>> McGoohan paid his dues, and made his reputation, on stage. (In the UK, an
>> actor is an actor; in the US, alas, there's a bit of a caste system.)
>
> Huh?
>
> I don't understand that comment.
>
> There are actors and actresses of all races and genders in the tv shows I've
> seen out of the US.
>
> Some specifically focus on one sub-set of humanity, it's true, but I don't
> THINK that's what you're saying, is it?
>
Oh, dear, divided by a common language, indeed!
John W Kennedy
> "John W Kennedy" <jwk...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:4cbf75d0$0$7135$607e...@cv.net...
>
>> ... Mel Gibson is a (professionally speaking) American film actor.
>> McGoohan paid his dues, and made his reputation, on stage. (In the UK,
>> an actor is an actor; in the US, alas, there's a bit of a caste system.)
>
> Huh?
>
> I don't understand that comment.
>
> There are actors and actresses of all races and genders in the tv shows
> I've seen out of the US.
>
> Some specifically focus on one sub-set of humanity, it's true, but I
> don't THINK that's what you're saying, is it?
In the US, there are at least seven different unions for actors. Actors
Equity for legitimate theatre and musicals, the Screen Actor's Guild
for movies and TV shot on film, the American Federation of Television
and Radio Artists for radio and TV shows done live or shot on video,
the American Guild of Variety Artists, formerly for vaudeville, now
chiefly for casinos and theme parks, the American Guild of Musical
Artists for opera (and AGMA must be distinguished from the Musicians
Union, which applies to the instrumentalists in the orchestra pit), and
at least two unions for ethnic theatre. Although it is possible for a
single actor to be a member of multiple unions, there is a general
tendency for actors to be "movie actors", "stage actors", "TV actors",
etc.. Some divide their time, but when a "TV actor" dares to make a
movie, or a "movie actor" is hired to appear on the Broadway stage, he
can expect to be sneered at as a matter of course, and when a "movie
actor" does television, there will be speculation that it must be
because he can't get work.
Part of the difficulty, naturally, is the geographical distance between
New York (even theaters in the rest of the country go to New York to
hire actors) and Los Angeles.
Graeme
> "Bev" is also a masculine name. Sounds more like a guy who would be
> concerned with this sort of thing, anyway.
Well, I don't care about troll genders. I'm just pointing out that
the title of the thread claims that the Official Prisoner Companion
showed that McGoohan was bi-sexual, while if you read the post itself,
it just says that the book claimed he had trouble with intimacy (or
intamacy) on the set, which is something completely different.
redcat
You can't see me shrug, so I have to type here that I am indifferent to
this whole discussion.
Nothing personal, mind.
rc
redcat
Honestly, John, I don't hear any sneering when an actor switches platforms.
rc
Offramp
> That book (at amazon) showed that he had a problem with intamacy on
> the set of his TV show! Gays are often violent in real life kind of
> like Drake/Number 6 was! Over 40% of the serial killers have been gay!
> Back to Drake/6 notice how he always brings the men up to him real
> close after grabbing their collars!
McGoohan probably had an education similar to mine, no girls at all
between 6 and 18. Women were a bit of a mystery to me. Among the boys
we formed very close, loyal friendships - even though we did not use
first names ( a bit like Cobb ).
When close male friends found girlfriends there was inevitable
jealousy.
I see many of these traits in No 6.
Moor Larkin
> McGoohan probably had an education similar to mine, no girls at all
> between 6 and 18. Women were a bit of a mystery to me.
Females certainly would have been no mystery to McGoohan because he
was the older brother of several sisters and had no brother himself,
so in his family life he only had the company of girls.
Cutting to the chase, the sort of thing that sparked this thread is
the bullshit material in various prisoner books about how McGoohan
changed scripts so that he had no romance with Nadia (as Vincent
Tilsley claimed he had written the script) and even more ludicrously
that there is some personal significance in his change to make Number
Six dance with Bo Peep with his arms crossed. All of this is conflated
into some bullshit *meaning* by over-sexualised modern notions,
whereas it represented nothing more than obvious choices for the
character of Number Six, that perhaps those scipt-writers were blind
to or badly briefed about.
Number Six was engaged to Janet and in 1967 that still meant something
I suppose.
Number Six was trying to escape with Nadia not sleep with her. (he
fiercly demanded she receive asylum after their *escape* so he
demonstrated an emotional tie to her of that sort)
Bo Peep was a patent bitch and why on earth would Number Six have
wanted to touch her anyway?
It's a shame these daft books don't take more interest in the sort of
amazing detail that the Russian derivation of Nadia means "Hope", and
whether the choice of this name for that character in that episode was
a deliberate one or just another of those incredible *accidents* that
many reviewers of the show sem to think is all the hill of beans
amounts to. Of course, to think about such notions requires the use of
the organs above the waist and especially the one at the top of the
head.
But of course, as we all know..... Sex sells........ :-P
John W Kennedy
Well, it's mostly within the business, of course. No one wants to upset
the punters.
redcat
Somebody sneer at you, Johnny?
Brian Watson
Thanks for the clarification, John.
:-)
There USED to be similar cross-media snobbery (though without different
unions reinforcing that much) in the UK, but these days people slide fairly
easily from one to another without much discrimination from their peers.
Heck, even well-renowned actors do commercials!
Brian Watson
"Graeme" <graem...@aol.com> wrote in message
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And I wouldn't say he had trouble with it: he just didn't want to show too
much physically affectionate intimacy with women (or men, I'm thinking) in
his performances.
Just because I don't want to take a guy to bed, that doesn't make me
homophobic.
:-)
Brian Watson
"Neo" <zi...@deep.underground.com> wrote in message
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> Bev wrote:
>> That book (at amazon) showed that he had a problem with intamacy on
>> the set of his TV show! Gays are often violent in real life kind of
>> like Drake/Number 6 was! Over 40% of the serial killers have been gay!
>> Back to Drake/6 notice how he always brings the men up to him real
>> close after grabbing their collars!
>
>
> And what where the remaining 60% ?
And who made up that statistic anyway, I wonder?
Brian Watson
"Offramp" <alane...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Well I was at a boys-only school from 11 to 15 but it didn't stop me buying
a bike.
;-))
Brian Watson
"Moor Larkin" <moorl...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Bo Peep was a patent bitch and why on earth would Number Six have
> wanted to touch her anyway?
A wooly jumper?
I'll get me coat...
John W Kennedy
Yes, you, just now. Unfortunately, a sneer is a sucky substitute for a
rational argument, especially when grounded in contrafactual
assumptions. I'm a computer programmer by trade; I just happen to have
multiple personal connections in show business. (In the interests of
full disclosure, I also put in about 25 years as a part-time semipro
opera singer.)
John W Kennedy
> There USED to be similar cross-media snobbery (though without different
> unions reinforcing that much) in the UK, but these days people slide
> fairly easily from one to another without much discrimination from
> their peers.
>
> Heck, even well-renowned actors do commercials!
And Daniel Radliffe did "Equus", David Tennant played "Hamlet" with the
RSC, and the altogether delectable Andrea Corr made her stage debut at
the Old Vic!
It helps that, in the UK, everything's all collected together in London
(except in August, when British culture moves 400 miles north).
Offramp
> On 2010-10-24 06:43:48 -0400, Brian Watson said:
>
> > There USED to be similar cross-media snobbery (though without different
> > unions reinforcing that much) in the UK, but these days people slide
> > fairly easily from one to another without much discrimination from
> > their peers.
>
> > Heck, even well-renowned actors do commercials!
>
> And Daniel Radliffe did "Equus", David Tennant played "Hamlet" with the
> RSC, and the altogether delectable Andrea Corr made her stage debut at
> the Old Vic!
...And Sir Ian McKellen did Widow Twankey.
Brian Watson
Were there children, do we know?
:-)
redcat
Slow claps.
Graeme
> You can't see me shrug, so I have to type here that I am indifferent to
> this whole discussion.
I am too. My point is that The Official Prisoner Companion shouldn't
be considered inaccurate because of a statement it didn't make.
redcat
I know, right?
Some of the posts here are really, really weird.
Well, bye for now!
rc
THOMAS CARNACKI
> That book (at amazon) showed that he had a problem with intamacy on
> the set of his TV show! Gays are often violent in real life kind of
> like Drake/Number 6 was! Over 40% of the serial killers have been gay!
> Back to Drake/6 notice how he always brings the men up to him real
> close after grabbing their collars!