Re: All Right IF
Stephen Wilson
"AlanSailsbury" <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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On Oct 7, 8:42 am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.tv.prisoner
>> and rec.arts.drwho thread going.
>>
>> What can we do for an encore?
>> --
>
>What do you mean "WE"? You had **nothing** intelligent to contribute,
>and that was pointed out to you over there. The intelligent debate was
>between Iggy, Moor Larkin, Roger, Scoville and others. Stop taking
>credit for their contributions you sneaky troll.
Perhaps Yads could explain about the wonders of his invisible man in the
sky.
Last year in Wisconsin, an 11 year old girl became sick. Her parents both
believe in the Bible, and the ultimate power of God. So they prayed, knowing
that he was the only person who could heal their daughter. Her condition
worsened over time, and eventually she stopped breathing. She died on the
floor, surrounded by people still praying for her. It was at this point the
emergency services were called.
What did she die of? Diabetes. Easily treatable. Although apparently not by
God...
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Oct 7, 8:42=A0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>> Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.tv.prisoner
>> and rec.arts.drwho thread going.
>>
>> What can we do for an encore?
>> --
>
>What do you mean "WE"? You had **nothing** intelligent to contribute,
>and that was pointed out to you over there. The intelligent debate was
>between Iggy, Moor Larkin, Roger, Scoville and others. Stop taking
>credit for their contributions you sneaky troll.
>
>
Thus trolls liar troll Alan Sailsbury.
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Hulahoop
<stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "AlanSailsbury" <alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
Time for Simon and Garfunkel I think "Hello Darkness My Old
Friend....."
Personally I am not sure I blame God for that one, if human beings are
crazy enough to do something like that I am surprised that they got
the short sentences that I think they did
I believe in God, I also believe in Doctors (of the medical kind and
not Village Idiots in Canada)
Regards
Ged
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Oct 7, 6:31=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <8v1qc5lsiijg7518m86os9ntl18cfug...@4ax.com>,
>> Ignis Fatuus =A0<Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>> >Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >>In article <h35pc59gmskqhj2haj2i7t7aa9tro7i...@4ax.com>,
>> >>Ignis Fatuus =A0<Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>> >>>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:12 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
>> >>>Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >>>>Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.tv.prisoner
>> >>>>and rec.arts.drwho thread going.
>>
>> >>>>What can we do for an encore?
>>
>>
>> >>Not familiar with that :-(
>>
>> >Underneath the arches
>> >We dream our dreams away
>> >Underneath the arches
>> >On cobblestones we lay
>>
>> >(it's code)
>>
>> I score 0/10 . =A0No clue.
>> --
>
>Truest words you've ever typed.
>
>
Troll on troll Alan Sailsbury.
PV
> you stop being one and answer Stephen's question?
The word "thought" would suggest he takes the time to think before posting.
Judging from his posting history, thinking is not part of his process. I
wonder if he even bothers reading a post before responding.
--
PV
"Begin each day as if it were on purpose"
Mary Anne Radmacher
Loaf of Bread
Probably not.
Mr.Smartypants
> On Oct 7, 6:31 pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <8v1qc5lsiijg7518m86os9ntl18cfug...@4ax.com>,
>
> > >On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
> > >Doctor) wrote:
>
> > >>In article <h35pc59gmskqhj2haj2i7t7aa9tro7i...@4ax.com>,
> > >>>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:12 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The
> > >>>Doctor) wrote:
>
> > >>>>Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.tv.prisoner
> > >>>>and rec.arts.drwho thread going.
>
> > >>>>What can we do for an encore?
>
> > >>>Flanagan and Allen ?
>
> > >>Not familiar with that :-(
>
> > >Underneath the arches
> > >We dream our dreams away
> > >Underneath the arches
> > >On cobblestones we lay
>
> > >(it's code)
>
> > --
>
> Truest words you've ever typed.-
Indeed. They should be enshrined somewhere.
Stephen Wilson
"Hulahoop" <sween...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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But they had complete belief in the Bible. The Bible told them that God
would answer their prayers, and it didn't say they needed to consult any
doctors.
Serious question here. You believe in God. I've no problem with that. But do
you pray? Do you believe in the power of prayer? If so - what do you pray
for, and do your prayers get answered?
When my mother was in her 40s, she got cancer. She was treated by the
relevant doctors and specialists. She also tried Chinese herbs, and a few
other techniques. My family is not religious. And just because my mother was
not expected to make it to 50, we didn't suddenly turn into God believers,
and none of us prayed for her. She's celebrating her 67th birthday later
this year, and nobody knows how she's lasted. If we were religiously
inclined, we'd call it a miracle.
Meanwhile, my sister's best friend, who was religious, got cancer last year.
She prayed. Her family prayed. And she died this year, aged 32.
So what does this mean? Does it mean that God was listening to her prayers
and ignored them? Does it mean he rewarded my family for being atheists? It
seems to me that praying makes no difference to someone's chances of beating
something like cancer (although in some cases it severely reduces the odds,
because of families like the one mentioned earlier where their faith in God
over-rides their faith in the medical profession). The only answer I can
come up with is that there is no God. What is your interpretation?
Hulahoop
<stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Hulahoop" <sweeney...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
My interpretation:
1) God cannot say yes to everyones' prayers. Having faith in God
and believing in a life after this one, can make it easier to accept
it when God does not say yes to your prayers
2) However people should strike a balance, trust in God but why
ignore the talents of people here? Didn't God put them here?
I am sorry for your sister's loss but I don't see the connection
between your mother recovering and your sister's best friend not, as
being proof of either the ineffectiveness of prayer or the lack of
existence of God. Like I said, God cannot say yes to every prayer
request. Cancers in different people are not the same and can react
differently to treatment. It depends on the cancer, when it was
found, etc etc
Did your sister's best friend express any regrets about her faith
before she died?
That probably does not answer your comments and I suppose faith can
appear like a convenient get out clause if you are not a believer, but
that's how I interpret it
Anyway I could have said in the style of you know who, "Torll on
maoist brezhnevite SW"
Regards
Ged
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Oct 8, 8:18=A0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <b4be3fb1-68c9-4826-aced-0fe93862c...@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>> AlanSailsbury =A0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On Oct 7, 6:31=3DA0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >> In article <8v1qc5lsiijg7518m86os9ntl18cfug...@4ax.com>,
>>
>> >> >On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (Th=>> >> >>Ignis Fatuus =3DA0<Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:12 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (=
>The
>> >> >>>Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>>Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.tv.prisone=
>r
>> >> >>>>and rec.arts.drwho thread going.
>>
>> >> >>>>What can we do for an encore?
>>
>> >> >>>Flanagan and Allen ?
>>
>> >> >>Not familiar with that :-(
>>
>> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >> >We dream our dreams away
>> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >> >On cobblestones we lay
>>
>> >> >(it's code)
>>
>> >> --
>>
>> >Truest words you've ever typed.
>>
>> Troll on troll Alan Sailsbury.
>> --
>
>you stop being one and answer Stephen's question?
>
Ig has you and me over a barrel.
Ignis Fatuus
<alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Oct 8, 5:39�pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <ccf9fe75-dbfd-4719-93be-5abf6888a...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
>Assuming that's a reference to his mention of Flanagan and Allen and
>not one of your secret gay fantasies I wish to point out that *I* knew
>what he was talking about. Bud Flanagan and Chesney Allen were a music
>hall double act and still appeared on tv even when I was a nipper.
>(Chesney Allen died in the 1980s). Now apparently it's only you Iggy
>has over a barrel as you put it. Perhaps if you looked beyond Doctor
>Who for your cultural references you might 'get an education' as
>Agamenmoron would say.
>
Fine so far... but what makes them a fitting Encore to The Prisoner?
Sleeping when it's raining
And sleeping when it's fine
Trains travelling
By above
Pavement is our pillow
No matter where we stray
Underneath the arches
We dream our dreams away.
john smith
"Ignis Fatuus" <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote in message
news:nhusc5pv25hn33597...@4ax.com...
You can read any profundity into any old shite, if you're that way inclined.
So what? Do you refer here to shite or profundity? I haven't got a clue...
Ignis Fatuus
You're reading too much into it - it was just a silly joke.
john smith
"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Qirzm.5030$xF1....@newsfe10.ams2...
Hmmm... weird phrasing, that one... All sorts of possibilities spring to
mind... I tend to think "Wanting to live" is quite high up there...
Surely, at least, as a placebo effect? ;-)
If we were religiously
> inclined, we'd call it a miracle.
Would you really, though? I think that sounds a week bit disingenuous of
you...
Or are you using the Royal "we"?
>
> Meanwhile, my sister's best friend, who was religious, got cancer last
> year. She prayed. Her family prayed. And she died this year, aged 32.
>
Fuck. That's young. All sorts of factors must've been involved... Should
we all get fucking screened then? I instinctively think "No. Why?"
> So what does this mean? Does it mean that God was listening to her prayers
> and ignored them? Does it mean he rewarded my family for being atheists?
> It seems to me that praying makes no difference to someone's chances of
> beating something like cancer (although in some cases it severely reduces
> the odds, because of families like the one mentioned earlier where their
> faith in God over-rides their faith in the medical profession). The only
> answer I can come up with is that there is no God. What is your
> interpretation?
>
>
You're not talking to me but you can probably guess my answer...
john smith
***********WORST!!!! QUESTION!!!! EVER!!!!**************8
That probably does not answer your comments and I suppose faith can
appear like a convenient get out clause if you are not a believer, but
that's how I interpret it
Anyway I could have said in the style of you know who, "Torll on
maoist brezhnevite SW"
Regards
Ged
*********************************************************
How wishy-washy your God (or rather: your "interpretation" of God) is! Ugh!
Why believe in such a ridiculous concept when you get fuck all out of it
except for a delusional security blanket?
(P.S. There are about three deliberately contradictory statements in this
sentence... or are there?)
john smith
So what's the punchline?
Ignis Fatuus
<the_jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
That would be telling...
We want... Information! (both of us).
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Oct 8, 5:39=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <ccf9fe75-dbfd-4719-93be-5abf6888a...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups=>> >On Oct 8, 8:18=3DA0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >> In article <b4be3fb1-68c9-4826-aced-0fe93862c...@p23g2000vbl.googlegro=
>ups=3D
>> >.com>,
>>
>> >> AlanSailsbury =3DA0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >On Oct 7, 6:31=3D3DA0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >> >> In article <8v1qc5lsiijg7518m86os9ntl18cfug...@4ax.com>,
>>
>> >> >> >On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca =
>(Th=3D>> >> >> >>Ignis Fatuus =3D3DA0<Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:12 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.c=
>a (=3D
>> >The
>> >> >> >>>Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>>>Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.tv.pris=
>one=3D
>> >r
>> >> >> >>>>and rec.arts.drwho thread going.
>>
>> >> >> >>>>What can we do for an encore?
>>
>> >> >> >>>Flanagan and Allen ?
>>
>> >> >> >>Not familiar with that :-(
>>
>> >> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >> >> >We dream our dreams away
>> >> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >> >> >On cobblestones we lay
>>
>> >> >> >(it's code)
>>
>> >> >> --
>>
>> >> >Truest words you've ever typed.
>>
>> >> Troll on troll Alan Sailsbury.
>> >> --
>>
>> >Here's a thought, instead of calling everyone else a troll why don't
>> >you stop being one and answer Stephen's question?
>>
>> Ig has you and me over a barrel.
>> --
>
>not one of your secret gay fantasies I wish to point out that *I* knew
>what he was talking about. Bud Flanagan and Chesney Allen were a music
>hall double act and still appeared on tv even when I was a nipper.
>(Chesney Allen died in the 1980s). Now apparently it's only you Iggy
>has over a barrel as you put it. Perhaps if you looked beyond Doctor
>Who for your cultural references you might 'get an education' as
>Agamenmoron would say.
>
>
>
>
>
You are becoming Agamemnon? Does the word scary come to mind?
The Doctor
Ignis Fatuus
Doctor) wrote:
Who do you think you are kidding Mr. Hitler?
If you think we�re on the run...
We are the boys who will stop your little game,
We are the boys who will make you think again.
The Doctor
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Oct 8, 10:44=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <nhusc5pv25hn33597d9o1j2n74j1h1c...@4ax.com>,
>> Ignis Fatuus =A0<Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT), AlanSailsbury
>>
>> >>On Oct 8, 5:39=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >>> In article <ccf9fe75-dbfd-4719-93be-5abf6888a...@g23g2000vbr.googlegr=
>oups.com>,
>>
>> >>> AlanSailsbury =A0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>> >On Oct 8, 8:18=3DA0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >>> >> In article <b4be3fb1-68c9-4826-aced-0fe93862c...@p23g2000vbl.googl=
>egroups=3D
>> >>> >.com>,
>>
>> >>> >> AlanSailsbury =3DA0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>> >> >On Oct 7, 6:31=3D3DA0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wr=>> >>> >> >> Ignis Fatuus =3D3DA0<Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> >> >On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab=
>.ca (Th=3D
>> >>> >e
>> >>> >> >> >Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> >> >>In article <h35pc59gmskqhj2haj2i7t7aa9tro7i...@4ax.com>,
>> >>> >> >> >>>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:12 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.=
>ab.ca (=3D
>> >>> >The
>> >>> >> >> >>>Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.tv.=
>prisone=3D
>> >>> >r
>> >>> >> >> >>>>and rec.arts.drwho thread going.
>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>What can we do for an encore?
>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>Flanagan and Allen ?
>>
>> >>> >> >> >>Not familiar with that :-(
>>
>> >>> >> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >>> >> >> >We dream our dreams away
>> >>> >> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >>> >> >> >On cobblestones we lay
>>
>> >>> >> >> >(it's code)
>>
>by Flannagan and Allen and if you knew anything about Doctor Who or
>The Prisoner, instead of trolling, you'd know it didn't feature in
>either show. Caught out again!
>
>
TRolsbury trolls again.
The Doctor
AlanSailsbury <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On Oct 9, 2:06=A0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> In article <2b36f984-f280-4693-aa7d-776921697...@e8g2000yqo.googlegroups.=
>> >> In article <nhusc5pv25hn33597d9o1j2n74j1h1c...@4ax.com>,
>>
>> >> >On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT), AlanSailsbury
>> >> ><alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> In article <ccf9fe75-dbfd-4719-93be-5abf6888a...@g23g2000vbr.googl=
>egr=3D
>> >oups.com>,
>>
>> >> >>> AlanSailsbury =3DA0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>> >On Oct 8, 8:18=3D3DA0am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wr=
>ote:
>> >> >>> >> In article <b4be3fb1-68c9-4826-aced-0fe93862c...@p23g2000vbl.go=
>ogl=3D
>> >egroups=3D3D
>> >> >>> >.com>,
>>
>> >> >>> >> AlanSailsbury =3D3DA0<alansailsb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >On Oct 7, 6:31=3D3D3DA0pm, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Docto=
>r) wr=3D>> >> >>> >> >> Ignis Fatuus =3D3D3DA0<Ig...@fatuusisland.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> >On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k=
>.ab=3D
>> >.ca (Th=3D3D
>> >> >>> >e
>> >> >>> >> >> >Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> >>In article <h35pc59gmskqhj2haj2i7t7aa9tro7i...@4ax.com>,
>> >> >>> >> >> >>>On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:12 +0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl=
>2k.=3D
>> >ab.ca (=3D3D
>> >> >>> >The
>> >> >>> >> >> >>>Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.=
>tv.=3D
>> >prisone=3D3D
>> >> >>> >r
>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>and rec.arts.drwho thread going.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>What can we do for an encore?
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> >>>Flanagan and Allen ?
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> >>Not familiar with that :-(
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >> >>> >> >> >We dream our dreams away
>> >> >>> >> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >> >>> >> >> >On cobblestones we lay
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> >(it's code)
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> --
>>
>> >> >>> >> >Truest words you've ever typed.
>>
>> >> >>> >> Troll on troll Alan Sailsbury.
>> >> >>> >> --
>>
>n't
>> >> >>> >you stop being one and answer Stephen's question?
>>
>> >> >>> Ig has you and me over a barrel.
>> >> >>> --
>>
>> >> >>Assuming that's a reference to his mention of Flanagan and Allen and
>ew
>> >> >>what he was talking about. Bud Flanagan and Chesney Allen were a mus=
>ic
>> >> >>hall double act and still appeared on tv even when I was a nipper.
>> >> >>(Chesney Allen died in the 1980s). Now apparently it's only you Iggy
>> >> >>has over a barrel as you put it. Perhaps if you looked beyond Doctor
>> >> >>Who for your cultural references you might 'get an education' as
>> >> >>Agamenmoron would say.
>>
>> >> >Fine so far... but what makes them a fitting Encore to The Prisoner?
>>
>> >> >Sleeping when it's raining
>> >> >And sleeping when it's fine
>> >> >Trains travelling
>> >> >By above
>>
>> >> >Pavement is our pillow
>> >> >No matter where we stray
>> >> >Underneath the arches
>> >> >We dream our dreams away.
>>
>> >> So many songs in one episode.
>> >> --
>>
>> >Which episode Yads? How many songs? Those are the lyrics to one song
>> >by Flannagan and Allen and if you knew anything about Doctor Who or
>> >either show. Caught out again!
>>
>> TRolsbury trolls again.
>> --
>
>in Doctor Who or The Prisoner. Get your facts right before you hurl
>insults.
>
>Your cross-posting to alt.troll and alt.usenet.kooks has been snipped,
>so you won't be pulling in any support from there Devious Dave.
>
>
>
>
Who said I was?
Ignis Fatuus
Doctor) wrote:
Dom't tell him, Pike.
The Doctor
Ignis Fatuus
Stephen Wilson
"AlanSailsbury" <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:01411eaf-c431-4cb5...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Ig has you and me over a barrel.
>> --
>
>not one of your secret gay fantasies I wish to point out that *I* knew
>what he was talking about. Bud Flanagan and Chesney Allen were a music
>hall double act and still appeared on tv even when I was a nipper.
>(Chesney Allen died in the 1980s). Now apparently it's only you Iggy
>has over a barrel as you put it. Perhaps if you looked beyond Doctor
>Who for your cultural references you might 'get an education' as
>Agamenmoron would say.
Be fair. How's he supposed to know about Flanagan and Allen if he's not had
a sermon about them in church?
Stephen Wilson
>
>My interpretation:
>1) God cannot say yes to everyones' prayers. Having faith in God
>and believing in a life after this one, can make it easier to accept
>it when God does not say yes to your prayers
Why can't he say yes to everyone's prayers? And doesn't having faith and
believing in God simply encourage you to stop trying to live? Or forget
about trying to live because you're too busy obsessing about a possible
afterlife in which everything will be perfect, instead of concentrating on
the one life we know is real - here and now?
>2) However people should strike a balance, trust in God but why
>ignore the talents of people here? Didn't God put them here?
As I said though - 2 people with the same condition. Both were treated at
the same hospital. One prayed (and was prayed for), and died. One was not
prayed for, and lived. So what's the point of prayer?
>
>Did your sister's best friend express any regrets about her faith
>before she died?
No, but she expressed concern about who would look after her little boy if
she died...
>Anyway I could have said in the style of you know who, "Torll on
>maoist brezhnevite SW"
You could have. But if there is a God up there, no way would he inflict more
than one Yads on the world!!
Stephen Wilson
"john smith" <the_jo...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> When my mother was in her 40s, she got cancer. She was treated by the
>> relevant doctors and specialists. She also tried Chinese herbs, and a few
>> other techniques. My family is not religious. And just because my mother
>> was not expected to make it to 50, we didn't suddenly turn into God
>> believers, and none of us prayed for her. She's celebrating her 67th
>> birthday later this year, and nobody knows how she's lasted.
>
>
>
> Hmmm... weird phrasing, that one... All sorts of possibilities spring to
> mind... I tend to think "Wanting to live" is quite high up there...
> Surely, at least, as a placebo effect? ;-)
I suspect that will power has a lot to do with it. I think in my mother's
case, she'd just discovered she was about to become a grandmother. So she
decided there was no way her grandchildren were going to grow up without
knowing her.
> If we were religiously
>> inclined, we'd call it a miracle.
>
> Would you really, though? I think that sounds a week bit disingenuous of
> you...
> Or are you using the Royal "we"?
By we, I mean me and my family.
>> Meanwhile, my sister's best friend, who was religious, got cancer last
>> year. She prayed. Her family prayed. And she died this year, aged 32.
>>
>
>
> Fuck. That's young. All sorts of factors must've been involved...
> Should we all get fucking screened then? I instinctively think "No.
> Why?"
There's no right or wrong answer. Sometimes the screening itself can cause
problems (eg the effects of drugs, x-rays, etc. along with the chances of a
mis-diagnosis)
>> So what does this mean? Does it mean that God was listening to her
>> prayers and ignored them? Does it mean he rewarded my family for being
>> atheists? It seems to me that praying makes no difference to someone's
>> chances of beating something like cancer (although in some cases it
>> severely reduces the odds, because of families like the one mentioned
>> earlier where their faith in God over-rides their faith in the medical
>> profession). The only answer I can come up with is that there is no God.
>> What is your interpretation?
>>
>>
>
>
> You're not talking to me but you can probably guess my answer...
Indeed!
The Doctor
The Doctor
You think?
The Doctor
You think.
Hulahoop
> *********************************************************
> How wishy-washy your God (or rather: your "interpretation" of God) is! Ugh!
> Why believe in such a ridiculous concept when you get fuck all out of it
> except for a delusional security blanket?
>
> (P.S. There are about three deliberately contradictory statements in this
> sentence... or are there?)
You say wishy washy I say "Keeping it simple"
Words eh?
Regards
Ged
The Doctor
Dick Spanner
> "AlanSailsbury" <alansa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> On Oct 7, 8:42 am, doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
> >> Thanks to our PRisoner sketch we got an intelligent alt.tv.prisoner
> >>
> >> What can we do for an encore?