Alternate-Alternate Arrival
simonwells
willing (and unwilling) participant, I must say that "Spielberg
Stokes" has never bettered this masterful reading of Patrick
McGoohan's "The Prisoner"; it even manages to top the aforementioned
series as probably the most cultiest item to own within 601 (past,
present and I dare say future). Filmed on the spot and on the run- it
manages to break every rule in the book- as well as every plate in
White Horses. Rumour has it that the crew are to re-form later this
year to complete their long-awaited sequel, "The Girl who was Deaf".
Quite honestly, if current 601 think that the DVD of the making of The
Prisoner is a find- just wait till you see the out-takes from the
above!
A poll please on 601's greatest ever fan movie. My vote quite
naturally goes to the class of '98.
si
Lew Stringer
simonca...@aol.com wrote on 12/12/2002 1:02 AM:
> A poll please on 601's greatest ever fan movie. My vote quite
> naturally goes to the class of '98.
>
> si
I haven't seen that many, but IMO top place goes to Vaughan Brunt's "The
Brummies" cartoon. The Shrewsbury Group's "Village Of The Damned" was
enjoyable too. Wonder what happened to them? :)
Lew
David Mackenzie
news:89b5ffb1.02121...@posting.google.com...
> A poll please on 601's greatest ever fan movie. My vote quite
> naturally goes to the class of '98.
From the ones I've seen:
Innovation In Its Field: "Village of the Damned"
"Damned" raised the standard for 6o1 films to a new level. Filmed on
location and entirely without dialogue, the production invites
interpretation, and requires several viewings. Things to note: innovative
visual effects, the high number of custom props and the cunning use of masks
to conceal actors playing multiple parts.
Most Ambitious Film: "The Prisoner - Village Day"
The most recent film to be made by 6o1, "Day" was besieged by setbacks.
David "Kubrick" Stimpson overcame them all to produce what is, if a tad long
at times, the ultimate re-enactment. Filmed on location, and featuring a
specially built Dome set (in a local school hall), the bar was raised once
again. Can it be raised even higher?
Biggest Contribution To Prisoner Fandom: Steven Ricks.
The only "Ricks-flick" I own is "The Prisoner in Production", featuring
*that* Rover Mk I footage. Steven is to be congratulated on the sheer number
of original cast and crew featured in this film - and Kenneth Griffith's
commentary and on-location presentation (he's actually there!) adds that
final professional touch.
Most Enjoyable Romp: "Alternate Arrival"
Filmed entirely on location in a single day without editing, the original
"Alternate Arrival" is a mighty fine parody of the first episode. The
enthusiasm of those involved shows and easily outweighs the zero production
costs. Touches of genius include the cardboard helicopter, the paper-plate
moke chase/fight and the Bob Dylan soundtrack.
--
David.
"Anyone who agrees to rub their breasts on television is clearly inexcusably
disturbed."
Allan Young
I remember being very impressed by the puppet movie whose name escapes
me for the moment, but Darren's Arrival has to take the prize IMHO.
It's all the more amazing when you consider that it was edited in the
camera. I laughed out loud several times.
Lew Stringer
da...@tarbrax.freeserve.co.uk wrote on 12/12/2002 11:48 AM:
> Biggest Contribution To Prisoner Fandom: Steven Ricks.
> The only "Ricks-flick" I own is "The Prisoner in Production", featuring
> *that* Rover Mk I footage. Steven is to be congratulated on the sheer number
> of original cast and crew featured in this film - and Kenneth Griffith's
> commentary and on-location presentation (he's actually there!) adds that
> final professional touch.
Of course! I was forgetting about Steve's documentaries. I was only thinking
about fiction movies. Steve's range of tapes may not have had perfect
picture quality (on the early ones anyway) but they were essential for every
Prisoner fan.
David Mackenzie
news:BA1E2B19.1411D%Lew.St...@btopenworld.com...
The four that I mentioned are the only ones I own, and I thought Steven
deserved a mention. I found the sound a tad dodgy in places, too.
What other fiction films has 6o1 made? I know about "By Public Demand"
(which I'd *love* to see - although I think some folk would rather forget!),
and Allan mentioned Steven's puppet films (By Puppet Demand?)
Actually, I've just remembered Matthew Lock's "animated" film shown at the
most recent con, whenever it was. The years are so variable these days, it
could have been anytime.
Rick Davy
David Mackenzie <da...@tarbrax.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> What other fiction films has 6o1 made? I know about "By Public Demand"
> (which I'd *love* to see - although I think some folk would rather
forget!),
> and Allan mentioned Steven's puppet films (By Puppet Demand?)
Steven Ricks, after making the PNuts movies (the puppet films you mention -
"The Penny Farthing Mystery" and "Paddy in Wonderland") did briefly delve
into Prisoner Drama Fiction with a film called "A Little Knowledge" which,
if memory serves, was about a village employee suddenly made a Prisoner. I
seem to recall it was quite good - probably the best dramatical amateur film
made about TP that I can think of.
Rick
--------------------------------------------------------------
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Rick Davy
David Mackenzie <da...@tarbrax.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> (which I'd *love* to see - although I think some folk would rather
forget!),
> and Allan mentioned Steven's puppet films (By Puppet Demand?)
>
Apologies to Roger, but I really didn't like By Public Demand. Perhaps it is
because I saw it 7 years or so after it was made and so missed the point of
it somewhat. It was certainly different.
I think the problem with amateur films in fandom is simply that they are
amateur, and the originator of the idea ropes his mates in to do the acting,
which in most cases is cringeworthyly (is that a word?) wooden.
Using Stimpy's film as an example, you cannot deny the effort he put in (and
the lack of support he got from the Society) but it was never going to be a
success when the "actors" are friends and family who have no experience. It
works if it is comedy, but not if it was drama. I find myself laughing at
most amateur films.
Rick
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"Amateur dramatics, that sort of thing"
Rick Davy
It is one of the funnier efforts, that's for sure. I still like the London
groups early efforts ("The Mokees" in particular), and their never seen
follow-up "A bitch to edit". The Leicester group's effort in the late 90s (I
forget the title) was also amusing, borrowing most of it's ideas from "The
fast show".
You can't beat early Liverpool group, though. As much as it was live, and in
many cases ad-libbed, the humour was spot on.
Their first film, "Do Not For God's Sake Make Another Film" is poor when you
watch it now, but was hilarious at the time. They then did some amusing
dubbing-music-over-TP-clips type stuff. Their next 3 things combined a live
show on the Sunday night at the Con and various pre-filmed sketches.
Highlights would have to be the re-working of the famous 2 Ronnies
"Mastermind" sketch, the what happens when you want to become a co-ordinator
sketch, "Carry On Prisoner" featuring Steven Ricks, The Prisoner Ballet and
the superb rip off of "The Duty Men" (sketch of tax inspectors raiding a 6o1
party for obscene Prisoner material). I would recommend anyone who hasn't
seen any of the "Really Nogger" shows done by 6o1 Liverpool to do so. Many
of the sketches are even more spot-on when you consider recent events.
Rick
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"Anything else?"
simonwells
Is there any way we could load Darren's film onto a web-site? Not too
up to date on internet technology, but I'm sure it would make an
interesting file on a site. Darren, what d'you think?
Si
MR DOLEMITE
I aint seen that Shewsbury'Village of the damned'.
Nor those P Nuts or whatever there called? !
I aint seen those famous Matthew Lock things either.
I obviously aint down with the right people!
Darren LPG
Steve Dix
<da...@tarbrax.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>The four that I mentioned are the only ones I own, and I thought Steven
>deserved a mention. I found the sound a tad dodgy in places, too.
>
>What other fiction films has 6o1 made? I know about "By Public Demand"
>(which I'd *love* to see - although I think some folk would rather forget!),
>and Allan mentioned Steven's puppet films (By Puppet Demand?)
>
>Actually, I've just remembered Matthew Lock's "animated" film shown at the
>most recent con, whenever it was. The years are so variable these days, it
>could have been anytime.
Mathew made several films, some live action, others animated.
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Steve Dix
<Rdav...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>It is one of the funnier efforts, that's for sure. I still like the London
>groups early efforts ("The Mokees" in particular), and their never seen
>follow-up "A bitch to edit". The Leicester group's effort in the late 90s (I
>forget the title) was also amusing, borrowing most of it's ideas from "The
>fast show".
>
I actually did a bit of camera work on that, and I've got a copy
somewhere. Unfortunately no way of watching it at the mo.
Chris Johnson
<st...@stevedix.de> writes
>On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:39:29 +0000 (UTC), "Rick Davy"
><Rdav...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>It is one of the funnier efforts, that's for sure. I still like the London
>>groups early efforts ("The Mokees" in particular), and their never seen
>>follow-up "A bitch to edit". The Leicester group's effort in the late 90s (I
>>forget the title) was also amusing, borrowing most of it's ideas from "The
>>fast show".
>>
>
>I actually did a bit of camera work on that, and I've got a copy
>somewhere. Unfortunately no way of watching it at the mo.
>
>
Hi Steve,
You were actually credited as a director as well I think Steve.
The title BTW was 'Bravefart - the smell of fear'
And included several fast show type segments and parody's of TV adverts
such as:
'Bravefart'
'I bet he drinks Carling Black Label'
'Suits you sir'
'Aint the Prisoner Brilliant'
'Alka - seltsman'
'Goldthorpe travel'
'the jam shop sketch'
plus many others..........
May be it's time for a 'fifth anniversary - digitally re-mastered -
widescreen - directors cut edition' free to view on the Internet ?
Cheers
CHRIS JOHNSON
tv-memorabilia.com
INTO THE AVENGERS, THE PROFESSIONALS, THE SWEENEY, THE PRISONER / DANGER MAN,
THE BARON, THE CHAMPIONS, DEPARTMENT S, GERRY ANDERSON SERIES, JASON KING, MAN
IN A SUITCASE, THE PERSUADERS !, RANDALL AND HOPKIRK DECEASED, THE SAINT, UFO or
BRITISH Sixties TV in general ?
Then why not visit our Web site:
http://www.tv-memorabilia.demon.co.uk
Hey ! The difference is - "We're real fans too !"
Tara-ra-boom-di-ay The exclusive Linda Thorson tribute site.
Contributions and comments are always welcome !
Steve Dix
<Ch...@tv-memorabilia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>
>Hi Steve,
>
>You were actually credited as a director as well I think Steve.
>
I was? Ooo ta!
>The title BTW was 'Bravefart - the smell of fear'
>
>And included several fast show type segments and parody's of TV adverts
>such as:
>
>'Bravefart'
>'I bet he drinks Carling Black Label'
>'Suits you sir'
>'Aint the Prisoner Brilliant'
>'Alka - seltsman'
>'Goldthorpe travel'
>'the jam shop sketch'
>plus many others..........
>
>May be it's time for a 'fifth anniversary - digitally re-mastered -
>widescreen - directors cut edition' free to view on the Internet ?
>
Definitely!
Lew Stringer
st...@stevedix.de wrote on 12/12/2002 6:18 PM:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:46:28 -0000, "David Mackenzie"
> <da...@tarbrax.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> The four that I mentioned are the only ones I own, and I thought Steven
>> deserved a mention. I found the sound a tad dodgy in places, too.
>>
>> What other fiction films has 6o1 made? I know about "By Public Demand"
>> (which I'd *love* to see - although I think some folk would rather forget!),
>> and Allan mentioned Steven's puppet films (By Puppet Demand?)
>>
>> Actually, I've just remembered Matthew Lock's "animated" film shown at the
>> most recent con, whenever it was. The years are so variable these days, it
>> could have been anytime.
>
> Mathew made several films, some live action, others animated.
>
He's also done an audio CD with music inspired by visits to Portmeirion.
Rick Davy
Chris Johnson <Ch...@tv-memorabilia.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The title BTW was 'Bravefart - the smell of fear'
>
> And included several fast show type segments and parody's of TV adverts
That's right - thanks for the clarification, Chris! I believe the cast of
"BraveFart" were Smell Gibson and Patrick McPoohan? Tickled me no end. But
as Lew pointed out a couple of weeks ago, I do enjoy the "Reg Varney" end of
the comedy market. :-)
Rick
------------------------------------------------------------------
"I 'ate you Butler". Surely Patrick Cargill's #2 should have said this when
sacking Angelo in "Hammer"!!
Jill Mills
>
> Apologies to Roger, but I really didn't like By Public Demand. Perhaps it
is
> because I saw it 7 years or so after it was made and so missed the point
of
> it somewhat. It was certainly different.
Never mind about Roger!
I'm shocked, shocked....!
All that emoting and ignoring small boys and what do you get?
I may never speak to you again, Rick! :-)
(Flounces off, woodenly, stage left.)
Jill.
.
Rick Davy
Jill Mills <mills...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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Are you in it, then? I must watch it again!
Rick
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"I know what not to try"
Jill Mills
"Rick Davy" <Rdav...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jill Mills <mills...@virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:atc7ru$121o57$1...@ID-173311.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > >
> > > Apologies to Roger, but I really didn't like By Public Demand. Perhaps
> it
> > is
> > > because I saw it 7 years or so after it was made and so missed the
point
> > of
> > > it somewhat. It was certainly different.
> >
> > Never mind about Roger!
> >
> > I'm shocked, shocked....!
> >
> > All that emoting and ignoring small boys and what do you get?
> > I may never speak to you again, Rick! :-)
> >
> > (Flounces off, woodenly, stage left.)
> >
> > Jill.
>
> Are you in it, then? I must watch it again!
>
what I remember about my own appearance in it , (and it was a LONG time
ago), doesn't make me too sad about that!
(BTW, I taught Drama at the time...) :-)
Jill.
Allan Young
>
> Most Ambitious Film: "The Prisoner - Village Day"
> The most recent film to be made by 6o1, "Day" was besieged by setbacks.
> David "Kubrick" Stimpson overcame them all to produce what is, if a tad long
> at times, the ultimate re-enactment. Filmed on location, and featuring a
> specially built Dome set (in a local school hall), the bar was raised once
> again. Can it be raised even higher?
>
> Biggest Contribution To Prisoner Fandom: Steven Ricks.
> The only "Ricks-flick" I own is "The Prisoner in Production", featuring
> *that* Rover Mk I footage. Steven is to be congratulated on the sheer number
> of original cast and crew featured in this film - and Kenneth Griffith's
> commentary and on-location presentation (he's actually there!) adds that
> final professional touch.
Ah ! I didn't know we were including documentaries. In that case,
Steve Ricks wins by a mile. I thought his documentaries were
fabulous. The amount of work that went into them was quite staggering
and they were highly professional.
Rook
Yes you are . You saw the first puppet movie when you came to see me once!!!
ROOK
Frankymole
>
> Chris Johnson <Ch...@tv-memorabilia.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2b3nuJAR...@tv-memorabilia.demon.co.uk...
> > The title BTW was 'Bravefart - the smell of fear'
> >
> > And included several fast show type segments and parody's of TV adverts
>
> That's right - thanks for the clarification, Chris! I believe the cast of
> "BraveFart" were Smell Gibson and Patrick McPoohan? Tickled me no end. But
> as Lew pointed out a couple of weeks ago, I do enjoy the "Reg Varney" end of
> the comedy market. :-)
>
> Rick
Reg Varney is quite an accomplished landscape artist these days. He does
exhibitions and stuff and some of his riverscapes are on greetings cards! Scary
world.
What was his goofy blond conductor called? And what happened to him - we
see a lot of Blakey and Michael Robbins but what happened to Olive, and the
conductor guy?
Maybe I should read my British Sitcoms group digests more often!
--
Frank
"There is a charge of two work units for this information. Never mind, you can
pay me later."
Frankymole
"Allan Young" <lo...@uk2.net> wrote in message
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And now they're an important piece of TV history, as many of the participants
have not been interviewed on screen before or since and some have passed away.
I suspect in a few years' time, as well as the 8mm Rover/Portmeirion footage,
Steve's archives will creep out on DVD (or whatever the medium of the time is)
as essential extras. Maybe one day we'll even get "Six Into One - The Prisoner
File" as seen on Channel 4 in 1984!
Steve also did great work releasing Percy Shampan's artwork (glorious set
designs, scene visualisations - like storyboards, including some for unshot
scenes). I hope he still has the originals and has not auctioend them off (one
was stolen from the Paddington '93 do though).
Alice Clar
simonca...@aol.com (simonwells) scrawled desperately in their own
blood:
it even manages to top the aforementioned
>series as probably the most cultiest item to own within 601 (past,
>present and I dare say future).
So where is my copy, Daz?
--
I won't need this to remind me that I am your Number Six
Alice Clar
"Jill Mills" <mills...@virgin.net> scrawled desperately in their own
blood:
>
>All that emoting and ignoring small boys and what do you get?
>I may never speak to you again, Rick! :-)
>
>(Flounces off, woodenly, stage left.)
>
I feel the same after the comment about the 'acting' in Village Day'.
I'm on the cover, damn it!
Alice Clar
"Frankymole" <Frank@Ask for it on the group.com> scrawled desperately
in their own blood:
>
>Steve also did great work releasing Percy Shampan's
Jack Shampan.
Alice Clar
blood:
>A poll please on 601's greatest ever fan movie. My vote quite
>naturally goes to the class of '98.
>
Nige, nobody mentioned Village Daze!
Not surprising.
Lew Stringer
on the group.com wrote on 13/12/2002 6:16 PM:
> Reg Varney is quite an accomplished landscape artist these days. He does
> exhibitions and stuff and some of his riverscapes are on greetings cards!
> Scary
> world.
> What was his goofy blond conductor called? And what happened to him - we
> see a lot of Blakey and Michael Robbins but what happened to Olive, and the
> conductor guy?
> Maybe I should read my British Sitcoms group digests more often!
> --
> Frank
The conductor's name was Jack, played by Bob Grant. Several years after OTB
ended, Grant's wife made an appeal on local tv as Bob had gone missing. He
was depressed because of lack of work apparently. He turned up the next day
and was offered work in a panto. I've no idea if he's still with us or not.
Lew
Rick Davy
Frankymole <Frank@Ask for it on the group.com> wrote in message
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but what happened to Olive, and the
> conductor guy?
> Maybe I should read my British Sitcoms group digests more often!
> --
Olive pops up in Eastenders from time to time as Peggy's (Barbara Windsor)
sister.
Rick
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"It has stopped again?"
Frankymole
"Alice Clar" <al...@royston.vasey> wrote in message
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> It was a cold and blustery day on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:25:10 -0000, and
> "Frankymole" <Frank@Ask for it on the group.com> scrawled desperately
> in their own blood:
>
>
> >
> >Steve also did great work releasing Percy Shampan's
>
> Jack Shampan.
That was Percy Shampan's nickname, yes.
Alice Clar
>
>"Alice Clar" <al...@royston.vasey> wrote in message
>news:ldfkvu4sdpr6ivaat...@4ax.com...
>> It was a cold and blustery day on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:25:10 -0000, and
>> "Frankymole" <Frank@Ask for it on the group.com> scrawled desperately
>> in their own blood:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Steve also did great work releasing Percy Shampan's
>>
>> Jack Shampan.
>
>That was Percy Shampan's nickname, yes.
Yes, but how many people know that? He was Jack during production.
Lew Stringer
al...@royston.vasey wrote on 14/12/2002 5:31 PM:
>>>> Steve also did great work releasing Percy Shampan's
>>>
>>> Jack Shampan.
>>
>> That was Percy Shampan's nickname, yes.
>
> Yes, but how many people know that? He was Jack during production.
> --
I always thought his name was Jack, I must admit.
Frankymole
"Alice Clar" <al...@royston.vasey> wrote in message
? so what? Can't I use his normal name? What is your point here?
--
Frankymole
Frankymole
"Lew Stringer" <Lew.St...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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I'm glad I can educate you youngsters ;oD. So you didn't read those 6o1 mags
then? ;oD
--
Frankymole
Frankymole
--
Frankymole
"There is a charge of two work units for this information. Never mind, you can
pay me later."
"Alice Clar" <al...@royston.vasey> wrote in message
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You *have* seen that his Prisoner production paintings are signed "P Shampan"??
Or is it jsut me (winning 2 prints from Steve Ricks, signed as "P Shampan", in
the Prisoner Mastermind compo? Did no-one buy them??
Lew Stringer
on the group.com wrote on 14/12/2002 8:09 PM:
>> I always thought his name was Jack, I must admit.
>
> I'm glad I can educate you youngsters ;oD. So you didn't read those 6o1 mags
> then? ;oD
Read 'em. Didn't memorise 'em. Some things are bound to be forgotten.
David Mackenzie
Every day is a day at school.
So has he always been Percy, using Jack as a nickname?
--
David.
"Anyone who agrees to rub their breasts on television is clearly inexcusably
disturbed."
Frankymole
> "Alice Clar" <al...@royston.vasey> wrote in message
> news:bnqmvusff389vo490...@4ax.com...
> > It was a cold and blustery day on Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:59:49 -0000, and
> > "Frankymole" <Frank@Ask for it on the group.com> scrawled desperately
> > in their own blood:
> >
> > >
> > >"Alice Clar" <al...@royston.vasey> wrote in message
> > >news:ldfkvu4sdpr6ivaat...@4ax.com...
> > >> It was a cold and blustery day on Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:25:10 -0000, and
> > >> "Frankymole" <Frank@Ask for it on the group.com> scrawled desperately
> > >> in their own blood:
> > >>
> > >> >Steve also did great work releasing Percy Shampan's
> > >>
> > >> Jack Shampan.
> > >
> > >That was Percy Shampan's nickname, yes.
> >
> > Yes, but how many people know that? He was Jack during production.
>
> Every day is a day at school.
>
> So has he always been Percy, using Jack as a nickname?
>
Jack. He signed most of his art (including the Prisoner production work) "P
Shampan". Neither Percy nor Jack are a given name though! Is/was he actually
Percival?
--
Frankymole
cero...@gmail.com
>
> Steven Ricks, after making the PNuts movies (the puppet films you mention -
> "The Penny Farthing Mystery" and "Paddy in Wonderland") did briefly delve
> into Prisoner Drama Fiction with a film called "A Little Knowledge" which,
> if memory serves, was about a village employee suddenly made a Prisoner. I
> seem to recall it was quite good - probably the best dramatical amateur film
> made about TP that I can think of.
>
> Rick
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> "How long have you been here?"
Does anyone know where I can get my hands on a copy of the Penny Farthing Mystery or Paddy in Wonderland?
Dick Spanner
> Should this go down in legend as 601's most notorious fan movie? As I
> willing (and unwilling) participant, I must say that "Spielberg
> Stokes" has never bettered this masterful reading of Patrick
> McGoohan's "The Prisoner"; it even manages to top the aforementioned
> manages to break every rule in the book- as well as every plate in
> White Horses. Rumour has it that the crew are to re-form later this
> year to complete their long-awaited sequel, "The Girl who was Deaf".
> Quite honestly, if current 601 think that the DVD of the making of The
> Prisoner is a find- just wait till you see the out-takes from the
> above!
> naturally goes to the class of '98.
>