Nick: Doomed for Destruction
sayianprince
MUCH better that Nick is now. Nick's cartoons aren't even funny at all. Most
of the shows are for kid's 4-7 years old. I'll give you some comparison's
between Nick's Nicktoons and CN's Cartoons
1. CN is not afraid to do a little light swearing. The character Race in
Johnny Quest (I know it's on Toonami ) say's HELL and DAMN all the time!
Nick NEVER does this. The show Dexter on CN has the word CRAP in it.
2. The show Cow and Chicken has SATAN as a character on the show. He's
pretty funny actually. No one has complained about it because it's still on
the air with NEW episodes.
3. Nick's male cartoon character's NEVER show any desire toward the opposite
sex EVER. Johnny Bravo hits on women all the time and he lokks at
centerfold's to dirty magazines.
4. CN just has cooler shows like Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, ReBoot, Batman,
Freakazoid, Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech.
If Nick doesn't change soon then it will probally go off the air (hopefully)
It is just WAY too childish
By the way how come All that never has any Rock groups on the show as
guests?
Michael Martin
seem to be a big CN fan, but I think you have to remember that Cow and
Chicken is just a shameless Ren and Stimpy ripoff. It's humor relies on
saying 'pork butts' and the like. It's also good to remember that Cow
and Chicken is the same almost every episode, much like a Nicktoon that
shall remain nameless (*COUGH* *RUGRATS* *COUGH*). About swearing,
Johnny Quest is not CN's own show (well, it technically is, as it was
originally aired on TNT, a Turner owned network), but it is somewhat
daring, but maybe not as daring as the 1993 Batman cartoon (when it was
just called 'Batman' and there weren't 90 spinoffs of it). Ren and
Stimpy used to say the word crap quite a bit. I cannot recall hearing it
on Dexter, actually (although it is still a good show). And there's a
reason Nick is childish: LITTLE KIDS GIVE NICK RATINGS. And the last
time I checked, Nick was ahead of CN in the ratings. Nick's been around
for 20 years. I would see CN going down much faster than Nick. CN has
had a few good shows (e.g. anything with Space Ghost), but they do not
last long (also e.g. anything with Space Ghost). Toonami is okay, but I
can't sit through Sailor Moon for more than 2 minutes. All That never
has rock groups on because (if you haven't noticed yet) it's one of
those 'hip hop' shows (you wouldn't mind if I borrowed this expression,
would you Secrtbear?) that little kids think is real 'dope' and 'phat'
and they think rock music is 'whack'. As much as I like CN, I must admit
that some of the Cartoon Cartoons are sub-par. And so what if the devil
is in Cow and Chicken? Who is going to care, only devil worshopers? And
for the record, he is never refered to as the devil, but as the 'red
guy'. You have some good points here, but you should do more research to
see if you are right in your statements. I realize it's your own
opinion, as this is mine.
NickBakerM
>Johnny Quest (I know it's on Toonami ) say's HELL and DAMN all the time!
>Nick NEVER does this. The show Dexter on CN has the word CRAP in it.
Helga of Nickelodeon's Hey Arnold says crap quite frequently.
>2. The show Cow and Chicken has SATAN as a character on the show. He's
>pretty funny actually. No one has complained about it because it's still on
>the air with NEW episodes.
Well, 'Peaches' of Rocko was Satan.
>3. Nick's male cartoon character's NEVER show any desire toward the opposite
>sex EVER. Johnny Bravo hits on women all the time and he lokks at
>centerfold's to dirty magazines.
I fell sorry for Jonny Bravo. He is also trying to go out with a woman, but
always fails.
>
>4. CN just has cooler shows like Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, ReBoot, Batman,
>Freakazoid, Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech.
ReBoot is the stupidest thing I've ever seen IMO. And Frekazoid was cancelled
form the WB a few years ago.
>If Nick doesn't change soon then it will probally go off the air (hopefully)
>It is just WAY too childish
Here is an anology:
CHILD: KID
CHILDISH: KIDDISH
NICKELODEON: KID'S NETWORK
NICKELODEON: CHILDISH
John Le Page
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My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
wrote:
>...but it is somewhat
>daring, but maybe not as daring as the 1993 Batman cartoon (when it was
>just called 'Batman' and there weren't 90 spinoffs of it).
It was always called "Batman: The Animated Series". The same crew that
worked on BTAS now works on:
"Batman Beyond" (the only one currently in production until 2001)
"The New Batman Adventures" (will come back in 2001)
"The New Superman Adventures" (ditto)
- Peter Destructo
"Heart and tenderness are rare in cartoon movies. THE IRON GIANT dares
to show a lot of both, and it comes up a winner." -- San Fransisco
Chronicle
"THE IRON GIANT remembers the wonder of being a child and understands
how to convey that in a media-savvy age." -- LA Times
"Elements nowhere to be found are a few cutesy sidekicks and some
showstopping song-and-dance numbers -- the most refreshing thing about
THE IRON GIANT is that you won't miss them one whit!" -- Mr. Showbiz
"Brad Bird's THE IRON GIANT is not just a film that breaks the Disney
formula, it is a cartoon that propels the artform of animation
forward!" -- Animation Blast
More reviews: http://www.rotten-tomatoes.com/iron_giant.asp
now go see THE IRON GIANT!
Michael Martin
wrote:
I'm telling you, it wasn't me!
> >...but it is somewhat
> >daring, but maybe not as daring as the 1993 Batman cartoon (when it was
> >just called 'Batman' and there weren't 90 spinoffs of it).
>
> It was always called "Batman: The Animated Series". The same crew that
> worked on BTAS now works on:
>
> "Batman Beyond" (the only one currently in production until 2001)
> "The New Batman Adventures" (will come back in 2001)
> "The New Superman Adventures" (ditto)
(just like the first Batman movie [1989] is my favorite...). It just
seemed darker and not so much aimed at little kids.
sayianprince
John Le Page <John...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:727-37B...@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net...3. So, Nicktoon males never pay attention to the opposite sex eh? Have
you ever even SEEN a Nicktoon before? Doug liked Patti. Roger Klotz
liked Judy Funnie. Chuckie liked Emma. Rocko liked Melba. Heffer
liked Elky. Arnold liked Ruth. Jamie-O liked Felicia. (I think that
was her name). We THINK Gerald likes Phoebe. Stinky liked Helga.
Arnold liked Lyla. Ok, I think I proved my point here.Hey sorry about that one. I did know those things but I had forgot about it.It seems though like most of Nick's characters never try to "hit on'' their crushes. Buy the way I was a REALLY big Ren and Stimpy fan. Does anyone know where that show went? I was just hoping that Nick would take some "risks" like CN does. It seems like some CN cartoons are aimed at the same age as some Nick shows
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Michael Martin
> 1. First of all, he brought up the fact that on CN, some of the
> characters may "cuss" once and a while. I don't know about everyone
> else, but I don't watch cartoons for swear words. Dexter has the word
> CRAP on it? Oh man you MUST tell me what time that show comes on!
> But
> if you MUST have "light swearing" Nick does have some every once in a
> while. I remember a few times on "Hey Arnold!" (Hey i'm obsessed,
> what
> can I say?) the word "freaking" was used. Also I remember Helga
> saying
> "crap" once or twice. (gasp!) Now I could care less about these
> "cuss"
> words, I am just proving a point. (Although I do crack up when Big
> Bob
> says "Mother scratcher!" and "Chick-a-bleepin-dee". lol)
Thank you! Finally, someone who sees the light! As I said, Dexter has
never said the word 'crap', but that doesn't matter. In the episode
where Phoebe goes to 6th grade, the girls do say freakin' once or twice.
This brings me to something I cannot understand: the one thing censored
in Hey Arnold (I think I've brought this up before). In 'Teaching
Torvald', at Torvald's house, he used to say something like this: "Your
mom would be happy too if you got a C if everything else you did
sucked.". He now says 'stunk' intead of 'sucked'. Why? I don't know.
>
> 2. Satan? Gimmie a break! Who cares?
Nobody! No one is going to care if the devil is in the show (although he
really isn't the devil, at least not by name).
> 3. So, Nicktoon males never pay attention to the opposite sex eh?
> Have
> you ever even SEEN a Nicktoon before? Doug liked Patti. Roger Klotz
> liked Judy Funnie. Chuckie liked Emma. Rocko liked Melba. Heffer
> liked Elky. Arnold liked Ruth. Jamie-O liked Felicia. (I think that
> was her name). We THINK Gerald likes Phoebe. Stinky liked Helga.
> Arnold liked Lyla. Ok, I think I proved my point here.
Yep. You sure did. Whoever wrote this message probably thinks its a huge
deal that the devil is on CN as is Johnny Bravo. Whoopee! Ooh, Johnny
Bravo talks to womem! That's risky! Nick won't go down for at least
another 15 years. CN is barely even in the same ratings rankings as
Nick.
Kids Online
news:4oit3.427$Op5....@newse3.tampabay.rr.com...
> I don't think that this station will be on much longer. Cartoon Network is
> MUCH better that Nick is now.
I have been taking a poll at Kids Online and right now Nickelodeon is rated
number 1. Cartoon Network is rated number 2.
> 1. CN is not afraid to do a little light swearing.
What would including swearing and bad words help? I don't think most kids
find fowl language important when determining which shows are best.
> 2. The show Cow and Chicken has SATAN as a character on the show.
Satan has been included in cartoons all the way back to the early Warner
Bro's cartoons. I don't believe this is a factor.
> 3. Nick's male cartoon character's NEVER show any desire toward the
opposite
> sex EVER. Johnny Bravo hits on women all the time and he lokks at
> centerfold's to dirty magazines.
As far as childrens networks are concerned, I do not believe sex should be
glamoritized the way it is sometimes. Doesn't this promote the idea that
it's ok for kids to have sex? When dealing with a wide variety of age
groups, as the children's networks are, they should be more careful in the
content they provide. Teen pregnancy is not a fun situation once your faced
with it. It leads many girls into committing suicide or having an abortion.
I am not saying that everyone who watches the Cartoon Network is going to
have sex, but it makes sense to me that when it's promoted as ok, a child
might be more apt to try it.
> 4. CN just has cooler shows like Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, ReBoot,
Batman,
> Freakazoid, Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech.
True these shows are cool, I agree, but to say they are cooler is not
necessarily true for everyone. Some people may prefer Rug Rats, others may
prefer Doug. Many different tastes, require many different shows.
> If Nick doesn't change soon then it will probally go off the air
(hopefully)
> It is just WAY too childish
It is a children's network. Shouldn't it be somewhat "childish?" I am not a
child, but I still like to act childish a lot. :-) I doubt that they will go
off the air because as I already noted, it's rated number one currently on
the Poll at Kids Online.
I do respect your opinion! I am also glad that you shared your opinion!
Remember opinions often differ and because of that, one can't say any
network is better for everyone. Maybe we need both networks in order to
satisfy the viewing tastes of everyone!
Take care!
Mike
MegamorphJ
>Johnny Quest (I know it's on Toonami ) say's HELL and DAMN all the time!
>Nick NEVER does this. The show Dexter on CN has the word CRAP in it.
Helga on Hey Arnold! said "crap" frequetly. Even "freaking" was used.
Are they even paying attention to ol' Arnold? ^_^.
>2. The show Cow and Chicken has SATAN as a character on the show. He's
>pretty funny actually. No one has complained about it because it's still on
>the air with NEW episodes.
Cow and Chicken is a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy...And it comes on every stinkin'
night...argh.
>
>3. Nick's male cartoon character's NEVER show any desire toward the opposite
>sex EVER. Johnny Bravo hits on women all the time and he lokks at
>centerfold's to dirty magazines.
Nickelodeon won't use the word "Booger" so, male characters hitting on women
ain't their style.(Does Nick make girls more agressive than boys?)
>4. CN just has cooler shows like Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, ReBoot, Batman,
>Freakazoid, Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech.
Action just isn't Nick's style. Sure, The Wild Thornberrys is adventure, but
action toon? Nah. ::Chances look slimmer for my creation Stephanie Spacesurfer
to be the first hour long action toon::
>If Nick doesn't change soon then it will probally go off the air (hopefully)
>It is just WAY too childish
Nickelodeon is for kids so um...
>By the way how come All that never has any Rock groups on the show as
>guests?
All That is more of a hip-hop show...they did have Sugar Ray on it...now it's
expanding into what's popular now...(I havent heard that All That was going to
be picked up for another season. Man, I can just feel the remarks now...)
sayianprince
ago and am sure it will be on for a long time, but I'm worried that if
SOMETHING isn't done some kids will lose intrest in the channel. I have
heard some 7 and 8 year olds say that Nick isn't as good as it used to be. I
suggest that maybe Nick can try to aquire different varieties of shows. Like
you said many different tastes, require many different shows. Some of
Nick's live action shows are actually good. Another thing I noticed is that
almost ALL of Nick's shows are their own. They did have other shows in the
past but were taken off. They had shows in the past that were of intrest to
even adults. I really hope that Nick doesn't go off the air but I'm still
kind of worried that if SOMETHING isn't done Nick's future is kind of
uncertain. Only time will tell. I also hope that I didn't sound like a
pervert but I feel that if a Teen (like Doug, Arnold, ect.....) thinks like
real teens do the character seems more realistic. Any way thanks for your
time!
Kids Online <mi...@kids-online.net> wrote in message
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> sayianprince <sayian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > I don't think that this station will be on much longer. Cartoon Network
is
> > MUCH better that Nick is now.
>
> I have been taking a poll at Kids Online and right now Nickelodeon is
rated
> number 1. Cartoon Network is rated number 2.
>
>
> find fowl language important when determining which shows are best.
>
>
> Bro's cartoons. I don't believe this is a factor.
>
> opposite
> > sex EVER. Johnny Bravo hits on women all the time and he lokks at
> > centerfold's to dirty magazines.
>
> glamoritized the way it is sometimes. Doesn't this promote the idea that
> it's ok for kids to have sex? When dealing with a wide variety of age
> groups, as the children's networks are, they should be more careful in the
> content they provide. Teen pregnancy is not a fun situation once your
faced
> with it. It leads many girls into committing suicide or having an
abortion.
> I am not saying that everyone who watches the Cartoon Network is going to
> have sex, but it makes sense to me that when it's promoted as ok, a child
> might be more apt to try it.
>
> Batman,
> > Freakazoid, Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech.
>
> necessarily true for everyone. Some people may prefer Rug Rats, others may
> prefer Doug. Many different tastes, require many different shows.
>
> (hopefully)
> > It is just WAY too childish
>
NickBakerM
>expanding into what's popular now...
They only had a few groups in the biggening, but since it has became popular,
more and more popular groups have come and performed. And don't be surprised
if this next season TLC and Britney Spears come by (which Nick has long
relations with).
>(I havent heard that All That was going to
>be picked up for another season. Man, I can just feel the remarks now...)
On the All That Tour (which was VERY succesful), they had casting calls, so I'm
sure that it's been re-newed.
Kim Burk
>pervert but I feel that if a Teen (like Doug, Arnold, ect.....) thinks like
>real teens do the character seems more realistic.
Teens? Doug is 11 or 12 (in the Nick version, at least I suppose he is since
he's in the 6th grade), and Arnold's 9.
I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't think Nick is going away
any time soon. And I honestly don't think it'll lose business due to Cartoon
Network. Sure, some of their cartoons are good, but you'd have to be a really
big cartoon fan to like everything they put out, since there's such a variety
(don't get me wrong, that's a good thing, I just can't stand to watch half of
the cartoons they show).
----------------
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http://kimburk.cjb.net
"When life gives you lemons, make brownies. Mmm...brownies..."
Natjackm92
>of the shows are for kid's 4-7 years old. I'll give you some comparison's
>between Nick's Nicktoons and CN's Cartoons
While I don't like the new Nick very much little kids sure do. I am afraid
Rugrats will be here for a loooooooooooonnnnnngggg time.
>1. CN is not afraid to do a little light swearing. The character Race in
>Johnny Quest (I know it's on Toonami ) say's HELL and DAMN all the time!
>Nick NEVER does this. The show Dexter on CN has the word CRAP in it.
>
Big Deal. First of all Johny Quest sucks. Second of all I think Ren and Stimpy
had the word hell in it at least once.
>2. The show Cow and Chicken has SATAN as a character on the show. He's
>pretty funny actually. No one has complained about it because it's still on
>the air with NEW episodes.
>
Cow and Chicken is a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy. And Satan has been in hundreds
of cartoons.
>3. Nick's male cartoon character's NEVER show any desire toward the opposite
>sex EVER. Johnny Bravo hits on women all the time and he lokks at
>centerfold's to dirty magazines.
>
Doug liked Patty. And all the Nick charaters have been intresetd in woman.
>4. CN just has cooler shows like Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, ReBoot, Batman,
>Freakazoid, Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech.
To many people Rugrats is good. And Doug is okay also.
>If Nick doesn't change soon then it will probally go off the air (hopefully)
>It is just WAY too childish
>
>
It is childish but there are alot of brainwashed kids who think Cousin Geekster
is quality programing.
>By the way how come All that never has any Rock groups on the show as
>guests?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Because kids today like crap like rap and think cool music like rock sucks.
Michael Martin
> >1. CN is not afraid to do a little light swearing. The character Race in
> >Johnny Quest (I know it's on Toonami ) say's HELL and DAMN all the time!
> >Nick NEVER does this. The show Dexter on CN has the word CRAP in it.
> >
>
> Big Deal. First of all Johny Quest sucks. Second of all I think Ren and Stimpy
> had the word hell in it at least once.
'Stairway to Heaven' and 'Elevator to Hell').
> >2. The show Cow and Chicken has SATAN as a character on the show. He's
> >pretty funny actually. No one has complained about it because it's still on
> >the air with NEW episodes.
> >
>
> Cow and Chicken is a rip-off of Ren and Stimpy. And Satan has been in hundreds
> of cartoons.
>
> >3. Nick's male cartoon character's NEVER show any desire toward the opposite
> >sex EVER. Johnny Bravo hits on women all the time and he lokks at
> >centerfold's to dirty magazines.
> >
> Doug liked Patty. And all the Nick charaters have been intresetd in woman.
>
> >4. CN just has cooler shows like Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, ReBoot, Batman,
> >Freakazoid, Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech.
> To many people Rugrats is good. And Doug is okay also.
Cartoon Planet, Transformers, and Space Ghost: Coast To Coast. That's a
whole FIVE shows!! And 2 of those shows are just re-runs, so that makes
it a whopping THREE shows. Well, compared to Nick, that's... let me get
my calculator... THREE shows for CN and THREE 1/2 for Nick. And let's
remember that there are only two good Cartoon Cartoons. That's not very
good for a somewhat new timeslot.
>
> >If Nick doesn't change soon then it will probally go off the air (hopefully)
> >It is just WAY too childish
> >
> >
> It is childish but there are alot of brainwashed kids who think Cousin Geekster
> is quality programing.
>
> >By the way how come All that never has any Rock groups on the show as
> >guests?
> Because kids today like crap like rap and think cool music like rock sucks.
And kids like no-talent groups like Backstreet Boys and N*SYNC. They do
nothing but jump around and sing along to a pre-recorded soundtrack.
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MuddDrgn
Fox Family is definitely taking Nick's place as a network which supports
innovative, creative, wholesome kid's programming. A sampling on some of their
shows...
-Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Despite the "controversy" about a decade back, I love
this show. It's really creative, very "Howdy-Doody-esque." Paul Reubens had the
brilliant idea to talk to kids long before Steve on Blue's Clue's. Yet he never
real talked down to them. When I was younger, I honestly believed that Pee-wee
was a kid, not so different from the jerky boys in my kindergarten class, but a
lot smarter.
-"The Three Friends and Jerry Show" Weird, very weird, but I love the animation
and the stories. These kids seem extremely realistic and are easy to relate to.
-"Oggy and the Cockroaches" A french program without talking, starring a cat
and his cockroach roomies, gueststarring another cat named Jack. Probably one
of the weirdest shows I've ever seen (I only saw one episode in which Oggy
raises snails. Eventually, the cockroaches get jealous of all the attention the
snails are getting and Jack to take care of the problem. He turns them into
escargot) But I can't help but think that it's brilliant. Very Ren and
Stimpy-ish, without the blatant gross out jokes.
-"I Was a Sixth Grade Alien" Okay, so this one is cheesey, very low budget. A
YTV show, as are many others on this channel. But it's cute and fairly well
acted. I love the way they use models to show exterior shots. I used to love
Bruce Coville's books, too, so that probably adds to it.
-"The New Addams Family" Another cheesey live action show, but it's faithful to
the older Addams Family. I'd watch this before I watched "Kenan and Kel" any
day.
From the Keyboard of Phoebe
"I am not sitting, I am not seven, I am not...very good at writing angsty
poetry!"
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/lothlorien/artists/phoebe/phoebe.html
*Starshine Weyr*Veridia Weyr*Matretheran*Tenara*
MegamorphJ
Seriously, I can't stand Fox Family. In October, they're making 2 new channels:
Boyzchannel and Girlz channel. Since I hear X-men, Beetleborgs, and the Power
Rangers are on those channels, I'll like them more.(Geez, I'm a big 14 year old
kid...Alomst 15 and I'm tuning into Power Rangers OTO...)
The Johnson Family
sayianprince wrote:
> I don't think that this station will be on much longer. Cartoon Network is
> MUCH better that Nick is now. Nick's cartoons aren't even funny at all. Most
> of the shows are for kid's 4-7 years old. I'll give you some comparison's
> between Nick's Nicktoons and CN's Cartoons
>
Nick's lasted 20 years now with some pretty bad shows and it will probably last
at least another 10. And if their shows are for kids 4-7 yrs. old, as you say
(not true), then why should they die if that age group likes them?
> 1. CN is not afraid to do a little light swearing. The character Race in
> Johnny Quest (I know it's on Toonami ) say's HELL and DAMN all the time!
> Nick NEVER does this. The show Dexter on CN has the word CRAP in it.
>
So in other words CN has better programming simply because of the shock factor?
You really should get a job at NBC or ABC if you have this attitude. The
programming exec's there seem to think if you take a lackluster show and stuff
full of sex jokes and innuendoes the ratings will skyrocket. Violence,
language, and sex do not a good show make.
> 2. The show Cow and Chicken has SATAN as a character on the show. He's
> pretty funny actually. No one has complained about it because it's still on
> the air with NEW episodes.
Nothing against this personally (I am a God-fearing Christian), but I think this
show is horrible.
>
>
> 3. Nick's male cartoon character's NEVER show any desire toward the opposite
> sex EVER. Johnny Bravo hits on women all the time and he lokks at
> centerfold's to dirty magazines.
>
See my response to No. 1.
> 4. CN just has cooler shows like Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, ReBoot, Batman,
> Freakazoid, Thundercats, Voltron, and Robotech.
>
None of the shows you mentioned are CN's own. In fact, except for Dexter, C&C,
JB, I am Weasel, Powerpuff Girls, and What a Cartoon none of the shows on the
network are original.
> If Nick doesn't change soon then it will probally go off the air (hopefully)
> It is just WAY too childish
>
Well, listen to their slogan sometime. "Nick is kids." That means their shows
are meant for children. And many of their shows can be enjoyed by kids and
teenagers alike.
--
Sam Johnson
Computer game player
Piano afficianado
All around guy with no life
NASCAR fan--go 3, 88, 31, 11, 18, 20 in that order
"Ninety percent of the game is half mental."--Yogi Berra
The Johnson Family
Ghost: Coast to Coast as orginals. Although, I vaguely remember Space Ghost being
on TBS before.
Sam
sayianprince
Read some of my responses to my own post and you'll see my reasons in a
more calm matter
again sorry
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Kids Online
> Hey I'm real sorry to sound like an idiot. I really liked Nick a few years
> ago and am sure it will be on for a long time, but I'm worried that if
> SOMETHING isn't done some kids will lose intrest in the channel.
No, I definately did not think you sounded like an idiot! Everyone needs to
express how they feel. I may not always agree with everyone, but that
doesn't mean I am right either.
> I suggest that maybe Nick can try to aquire different varieties of shows.
Variety never hurts! I just hope the variety will stay within respectable
margins for all viewers.
> I really hope that Nick doesn't go off the air but I'm still
> kind of worried that if SOMETHING isn't done Nick's future is kind of
> uncertain.
I hope they don't go off the air either! As long as people come foreward and
express their dislikes, as you did, Nick can learn from this, and show the
kinda stuff the viewers want to see. If no one ever complained, how would
they ever find out what people didn't like? I think Nick would apprecite
some constructive criticizm. I know I do!
>I also hope that I didn't sound like a pervert but I feel that if a Teen
>(like Doug, Arnold, ect.....) thinks like real teens do the character seems
>more realistic.
No, you didn't sound like a pervert at all. If fact, your probably right
about teens. The only bad thing about it is that a lot of much younger kids
also watch these teen oriented shows, and it's kinda sad seeing them learn
bad habits at such an early age. Don't you agree?
Kids Online
> Again I'm sorry about how I came off.
> Read some of my responses to my own post and you'll see my reasons in a
> more calm matter
> again sorry
You were just expressing how you felt, so there is really no need to
be sorry. News groups are all about discussing stuff. I don't think you've
said anything out of line. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion no
matter who agrees or disagrees. Like I said before, Nick probably welcomes
all the constructive criticizm they can get, in order to improve.
Steve Mindykowski
megam...@aol.com (MegamorphJ) wrote:
>Fox Family? You mean the channel that edited The Real Ghostbusters to death?
>
While Fox Family's programming are good, the two types of people that can mess things up at a channel are the programming and
marketing departments. And by the looks of it, Fox Family depends on those people a great deal. To make room for ads, they cut
some stuff out or time-compress them. If they need more room, they trim the opening credits and/or squeeze or rewrite the
closing credits, so that their promos take up half the screen. And in some cases, they even use special bugs to promote their
shows. Those who watched Fox Family in the days leading up to the Michael Jordan film probably know all about it. As for
programming, in some cases, they put the best shows on when few people watches them, and crummy shows when more people watch.
And that's not all -- there's still 700 Club and late-night infomercials; no further comment on those.
Yes, there are good programs, but these days, the type of people calling the shots are the programming and marketing people.
In my opinion, "Rugrats" would're remained low-key, and shows like Ren & Stimpy, Real Monsters and Rock would've still been on
(if they are still on, then seen more frequently) if it wasn't for them.
Steve Mindykowski
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wrote:
>In 'Teaching
>Torvald', at Torvald's house, he used to say something like this: "Your
>mom would be happy too if you got a C if everything else you did
>sucked.". He now says 'stunk' intead of 'sucked'. Why? I don't know.
Well, *I* remember when "sucked" was quite the taboo word...
-PD
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<mi...@kids-online.net> wrote:
>As far as childrens networks are concerned, I do not believe sex should be
>glamoritized the way it is sometimes. Doesn't this promote the idea that
>it's ok for kids to have sex? When dealing with a wide variety of age
>groups, as the children's networks are, they should be more careful in the
>content they provide. Teen pregnancy is not a fun situation once your faced
>with it. It leads many girls into committing suicide or having an abortion.
>I am not saying that everyone who watches the Cartoon Network is going to
>have sex, but it makes sense to me that when it's promoted as ok, a child
>might be more apt to try it.
WHEN was the last time a Cartoon Cartoon had sex? Mom and Dad (C&C) --
maybe -- but none others, PARTICULARLY not Johnny Bravo.
-PD
Michael Martin
wrote:
>
have had a change of heart.
AlexJ33106
>Cartoon Planet, Transformers, and Space Ghost: Coast To Coast. That's a
>whole FIVE shows!!
Nah, it's four, actually, since Transformers doesn't air on CN(even though it
should). Just another reason why we should hate Ted Turner and all who work for
him ;) . Take care. Good-day.
-Alex(The #2 Simpsons/Transformers Fan)
Michael Martin
> Yes, there are good programs, but these days, the type of people calling the shots are the programming and marketing people.
> In my opinion, "Rugrats" would're remained low-key, and shows like Ren & Stimpy, Real Monsters and Rock would've still been on
> (if they are still on, then seen more frequently) if it wasn't for them.
Rugrats WAS low key and R&S turned into a phenomenon because of the fact
that it was hilarious to adults, and the fact that most people knew John
K got fired. After John K got fired, the show got somewhat quieter, but
in the process it had the same problem Rugrats has now: they (Games)
ruined the show. It's a Nick thing, I guess. When a show gets popular,
Nick puts tons and tons of effort into it and starts to aim it and
children, and not the audience that were closet fans of the shows, and
these closet fans turned the shows into hits by getting the shows
attention. I have said this before, but to those of you who havent read
it (or don't know it yet), Rocko was stopped for a reason, and the
reason was that Joe Murray didn't want to do the show anymore. His life
got too hectic for Rocko, but to have the creator of the show end it is
more humane that having a network tell you that your work is crap.
Michael Martin
cartoon channel I saw it on.
Steve Mindykowski
Michael Martin <mmar...@flash.net> wrote:
My apologies; I meant to say the RERUNS of these shows, since R&S is no longer seen at all in the US, and Rocko currently
relegated to weekday mornings, with rumors that it'll be removed entirely soon.
BillBrd1
>it (or don't know it yet), Rocko was stopped for a reason, and the
>reason was that Joe Murray didn't want to do the show anymore. His life
>got too hectic for Rocko, but to have the creator of the show end it is
>more humane that having a network tell you that your work is crap.
>
>
>
Exactly! Joe Murray felt that after 4 seasons, it was time to end the show. He
said he was very proud of it. He felt that every episode was a great episode
and there were no "dud" episodes. As much as I wish there would be new episodes
of Rocko, I believe Joe Murray did the right thing. He probably saved Rocko.
Rocko never reached the popularity status of Rugrats(Thank God!). So Rocko was
never overplayed, overhyped, or overmerchandised. In fact, I don't think it had
any merchandise at all. I consider Rocko's Modern Life "the Nicktoon that got
away". It seems to remain a sleeper hit and nobody really complains about it
being overplayed or having bad quality in episodes. Everybody appreciated it
during its 1993-1997 run and still like the reruns. THAT is proof of a good
Nicktoon.
The Johnson Family
> Again I'm sorry about how I came off.
> Read some of my responses to my own post and you'll see my reasons in a
> more calm matter
> again sorry
No apology necessary, you were just expressing your opinion on something and
that's the whole idea of Usenet. However, I still think it is rather silly to
judge television (not just cartoons but any show) on how many swear words they
have, which it seems many of the people on this newsgroup do. If Nick doesn't
want to have "bad" words on their shows, that's their decision. It's a valid
one that most parents would probably commend them for.
Sam
AlexJ33106
it
>> should). Just another reason why we should hate Ted Turner and all who work
for
>> him ;) . Take care. Good-day.
>Hmm? It doesn't? I always thought it did... Maybe it was some other
>cartoon channel I saw it on.
Well, last summer(and the summer before that), Transformers aired on the Sci-Fi
Channel weekday mornings. Perhaps you're thinking of this.
Of course, in all fairness to you, Beast Wars, an offspring of the original
Transformers, aired for five days on Cartoon Network for a promotion in March
1998. Good-day.
-Alex(The #2 Simpsons/Transformers Fan)
sayianprince
You see the thing is that I was REALLY mad at Nick that day because I had
noticed that some of their shows have somehow gotten a little worse over the
last year or so. Remember the VERY early episodes of Rugrats where Tommy
didn't even talk, but he would just do things to cause chaos in the world
aroubd him and he didn't even notice. I thought they were very funny. But
now it seems that alot kids today have to have someone talking at all times
to keep them entertained.
For instince I'm going to use a show that airs on Cartoon Network but was
made by Saban. You may have heard of it:Dragonball Z. It is probally one of
the most popular shows on CN.
When DBZ was dubbed in English (It's from Japan) the dubbing company has the
characters talking at ALL times even when they weren't talking in the
Japanese version to keep children entertained. This not only ruins certain
scenes where tension builds up by scilence.
Back to Nick now. Nick will always give kids what they want. I am all for
that. They are just doing their jobs. But I feel also that maybe they could
have the shows for the kids and also shows for older kids and teens. I'm not
saying that Nick should start showing pornos and adult themed shows, but
just something more than what they have on now.
Thanks
MegamorphJ
Rugrats has been dumbed down to the kids level, not by adding more action, just
by the plots.
As for Teens and Adults, they should make shows that have a grown-up appeal
too.
Michael Martin
> >Hmm? It doesn't? I always thought it did... Maybe it was some other
> >cartoon channel I saw it on.
>
> Well, last summer(and the summer before that), Transformers aired on the Sci-Fi
> Channel weekday mornings. Perhaps you're thinking of this.
>
> Of course, in all fairness to you, Beast Wars, an offspring of the original
> Transformers, aired for five days on Cartoon Network for a promotion in March
> 1998. Good-day.
seen Beast Wars on my local WB on weekday mornings.
Kids Online
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> WHEN was the last time a Cartoon Cartoon had sex? Mom and Dad (C&C) --
> maybe -- but none others, PARTICULARLY not Johnny Bravo.
I wasn't saying that there was, only that I didn't believe there should be.
If you scroll back up the thread, you'll see where the "sex" topic
originated. Aparently some shows are using some sex oriented content.
Kids Online
Michael Martin <mmar...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:37B79D3B...@flash.net...
> AlexJ33106 wrote:
> > Nah, it's four, actually, since Transformers doesn't air on CN(even
though it
> > should). Just another reason why we should hate Ted Turner and all who
work for
> > him ;) . Take care. Good-day.
> cartoon channel I saw it on.
Are there different shows on CN for different regions? You know like HBO
has? Just a possibility...
Kids Online
sayianprince <sayian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2_Zt3.2066$Op5....@newse3.tampabay.rr.com...
> You see the thing is that I was REALLY mad at Nick that day because I had
> noticed that some of their shows have somehow gotten a little worse over
the
> last year or so.
Everyone gets angry sometimes and it's understandable to voice your
frustrations.
> Back to Nick now. Nick will always give kids what they want. I am all for
> that. They are just doing their jobs. But I feel also that maybe they
could
> have the shows for the kids and also shows for older kids and teens. I'm
not
> saying that Nick should start showing pornos and adult themed shows, but
> just something more than what they have on now.
Variety or specialize.... Both are valid choices.... It's good to have
networks that specialize in a specific age group and cater only to them.
This is usually more preferable to the age group targeted. I wish they had
them when I was a kid! :-( On the other hand, catering to a variety of age
groups is also good! People of all ages can enjoy the shows more, although
none of the age groups will be able to enjoy all the shows most likely... To
me it's kinda like, which is better, 10 dollars for 10 people, or 100
dollars for one person. Everyone is fairly happy with 10 dollars, but if one
person got 100 dollars he or she is going to be very happy! :-) Did that
make any sense? If not, that's just me rambling... :-) Ultimately... I doubt
anyone really knows for sure which is best... I just hope Nick makes the
right decisions! ;-)
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wrote:
>Well, the only good shows I can credit CN with are Dexter's Lab, BTAS,
>Cartoon Planet, Transformers, and Space Ghost: Coast To Coast. That's a
>whole FIVE shows!! And 2 of those shows are just re-runs, so that makes
>it a whopping THREE shows. Well, compared to Nick, that's... let me get
>my calculator... THREE shows for CN and THREE 1/2 for Nick. And let's
>remember that there are only two good Cartoon Cartoons. That's not very
>good for a somewhat new timeslot.
Dexter's Lab is the only Cartoon Cartoon you listed. (Two Stupid Dogs,
Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, Cartoon Planet, this fall's The Brak
Show, and probably others are CN originals that are not CC's.)
The shows you listed indeed are great -- except Transformers, which is
not on Cartoon Network. But there are a number of other great and/or
popular cartoons on that station:
- Bullwinkle (and other Jay Ward shows)
- Toonami!
- Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? (which I hate but you can't say it's not
popular)
- MGM, WB and Hanna-Barbera cartoon classics (in a number of formats,
all of which are great)
- The Powerpuff Girls (another WILDLY popular Cartoon Cartoon)
- NFB (National Film Board of Canada) shorts ("O Canada!")
- Animaniacs (I only sort of like it, but it too is quite popular)
- Cartoon Theater (which, besides the crapola Superstar 9 series, has
some great stuff)
Not to mention the *extremely* well-done fills after most shows.
- Peter Destructo
go see THE IRON GIANT!
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<rugr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>And that's not all -- there's still 700 Club and late-night infomercials; no further comment on those.
I'd like a little on 700C... what is it?
-PD
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<mi...@kids-online.net> wrote:
>Are there different shows on CN for different regions? You know like HBO
>has? Just a possibility...
Different countries / parts of continents, but not regions within the
U.S. For instance, CN Britain (or whatever it's called) airs The New
Bat-Sup Adventures (on Kids' WB! over here), and CN South Africa
doesn't air Space Ghost Coast to Coast. Every one has a separate web
site; you can find 'em with a quick search. (Although the American
CN.com is the best, with Chip Duffey's original Space Ghost content,
the DOC and Favorites section, and more complete coverage with a
cooler design overall.)
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<sayian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> For instince I'm going to use a show that airs on Cartoon Network but was
>made by Saban. You may have heard of it:Dragonball Z. It is probally one of
>the most popular shows on CN.
It's not made by Saban. Saban distributed FUNimation's adaptation of
Toei's anime. Season 3, which, thanks to FUNimation is even worse than
1 and 2, will soon air on Cartoon Network and have nothing to do with
Saban.
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<mi...@kids-online.net> wrote:
>Variety or specialize.... Both are valid choices.... It's good to have
>networks that specialize in a specific age group and cater only to them.
>This is usually more preferable to the age group targeted. I wish they had
>them when I was a kid! :-( On the other hand, catering to a variety of age
>groups is also good! People of all ages can enjoy the shows more, although
>none of the age groups will be able to enjoy all the shows most likely... To
>me it's kinda like, which is better, 10 dollars for 10 people, or 100
>dollars for one person. Everyone is fairly happy with 10 dollars, but if one
>person got 100 dollars he or she is going to be very happy! :-) Did that
>make any sense? If not, that's just me rambling... :-) Ultimately... I doubt
>anyone really knows for sure which is best... I just hope Nick makes the
>right decisions! ;-)
What about well-done shows that can be appreciated by everyone? Ren &
Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, The Adventures of Pete & Pete, Sesame
Street, Batman: The Animated Series, Superman:TAS, Dexter's Lab,
Powerpuff Girls, Rocky & Bullwinkle... this goes back even to the
early days of Looney Toons, when they were shown before features in
the movie theater. Not just kids' movies -- ALL movies! One can watch
these shows at ages 5, 10, 18, 30, and 60 and appreciate them all at a
different level. THAT level of quality is what many people (i.e.
Michael Martin, secrtbear, and myself) want Nickelodeon to bring back.
-PD
Michael Martin
> I'd like a little on 700C... what is it?
>
the Lord' and other silly things.
Michael Martin
wrote:
> Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, Cartoon Planet, this fall's The Brak
> Show, and probably others are CN originals that are not CC's.)
Ghost Planet a year ago?
> The shows you listed indeed are great -- except Transformers, which is
> not on Cartoon Network. But there are a number of other great and/or
> popular cartoons on that station:
> - Bullwinkle (and other Jay Ward shows)
A fine show.
> - Toonami!
It's okay, except for Sailor Moon, which is popular but I don't get it.
> - Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? (which I hate but you can't say it's not
> popular)
Little kids like it.
> - MGM, WB and Hanna-Barbera cartoon classics (in a number of formats,
> all of which are great)
Acme Hour comes to mind. Whatever happened to the Tex Avery show?
> - The Powerpuff Girls (another WILDLY popular Cartoon Cartoon)
It's a pretty good cartoon.
> - NFB (National Film Board of Canada) shorts ("O Canada!")
It too is good, but it is on at very late times at night.
> - Animaniacs (I only sort of like it, but it too is quite popular)
It's better than Freakazoid, another pop-culture referencing show,
except Freakazoid took this concept a tad too far.
> - Cartoon Theater (which, besides the crapola Superstar 9 series, has
> some great stuff)
They sometimes show good movies, which is more than I can say for Nick
Flicks.
> Not to mention the *extremely* well-done fills after most shows.
Like the occasional Space Ghost cartoons that are shown after SG: C2C
and the Cartoons That Didn't Make It thing?
Michael Martin
wrote:
> Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, The Adventures of Pete & Pete, Sesame
> Street, Batman: The Animated Series, Superman:TAS, Dexter's Lab,
> Powerpuff Girls, Rocky & Bullwinkle... this goes back even to the
> early days of Looney Toons, when they were shown before features in
> the movie theater. Not just kids' movies -- ALL movies! One can watch
> these shows at ages 5, 10, 18, 30, and 60 and appreciate them all at a
> different level. THAT level of quality is what many people (i.e.
> Michael Martin, secrtbear, and myself) want Nickelodeon to bring back.
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>They only had a few groups in the biggening, but since it has became popular,
>more and more popular groups have come and performed. And don't be surprised
>if this next season TLC and Britney Spears come by (which Nick has long
>relations with).
I know about TLC, but Spears? She hasn't been around more than a month
or so!
-PD
secrtbear
killed my father. Prepare to die. <ko...@softhome.net.net.net> wrote:
>What about well-done shows that can be appreciated by everyone? Ren &
>Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, The Adventures of Pete & Pete, Sesame
>Street, Batman: The Animated Series, Superman:TAS, Dexter's Lab,
>Powerpuff Girls, Rocky & Bullwinkle... this goes back even to the
>early days of Looney Toons, when they were shown before features in
>the movie theater. Not just kids' movies -- ALL movies! One can watch
>these shows at ages 5, 10, 18, 30, and 60 and appreciate them all at a
>different level. THAT level of quality is what many people (i.e.
>Michael Martin, secrtbear, and myself) want Nickelodeon to bring back.
>
>-PD
Thank you! You've just summed up my main complaint with Nick. I had
Cousin Skeeter on tonight. I've decided he must've been a crack
baby...yet my cousins (7 and 11) watch it. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T
KNOW ANY BETTER. It seems that kids will watch most anything you put
in front of them, as long as it looks funny. Nick has discovered that
its easier to make money by mass producing crappy ass shows and
telling kids to like them, rather than taking the time to produce
quality programming that the kids and parents and brothers and sisters
and cousins and everyone will appreciate. There was a time in my
family when people ages 2 to 45 would sit and watch ren and stimpy and
all laugh and enjoy it. We need more shows that allow that.
-secrtbear
NickBakerM
Except for the women.
NickBakerM
>reason was that Joe Murray didn't want to do the show anymore. His life
>got too hectic for Rocko, but to have the creator of the show end it is
>more humane that having a network tell you that your work is crap.
No, actully it was because Nick stopped it. Joe Murray said in an interview he
would do more Rocko if asked to.
NickBakerM
Actully, in my opinion, rock sucks, and All That doesn't play rap, it plays
something we call r & b and pop (POPULAR) music.
NickBakerM
>longer seen at all in the US, and Rocko currently
>relegated to weekday mornings, with rumors that it'll be removed entirely
>soon.
Actully, Rocko still airs daily in the morning. Real Monsters is the one that
was is regulated to weekend afternoons.
NickBakerM
>animation
>and the stories. These kids seem extremely realistic and are easy to relate
>to.
It's a NickUKtoon. Nick US didn't think it was up to par. And netheir do I.
>Fox Family is definitely taking Nick's place as a network which supports
>innovative, creative, wholesome kid's programming. A sampling on some of
>their
>shows...
Fox Family is turning into a USA Network-style cable channel. The "new' Fox
Family will start in the 99-00 season.
NickBakerM
>factor?
>You really should get a job at NBC or ABC if you have this attitude. The
>programming exec's there seem to think if you take a lackluster show and
>stuff
>full of sex jokes and innuendoes the ratings will skyrocket. Violence,
>language, and sex do not a good show make.
What about FOX? That;s the whole point of their new show, Action. God, FOX,
just stay with the animation if you want to that!
NickBakerM
>or so!
>
She's been popular since January. Supposedly, she will star as herself on some
live-action show (probably a new one) and she went to the Nick Takes Over Your
School thing. Other notable musicians who have been on Nick frequently are:
Monica
Coolio
TLC
MuddDrgn
It may not be perfect, but it's definitely better than CatDog and many other
shows. (To be honest, I like it better than the current episodes of Rugrats)
>Fox Family is turning into a USA Network-style cable channel. The "new' Fox
>Family will start in the 99-00 season.
>
>
I'm commenting on its current state, not its future state.
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> Different countries / parts of continents, but not regions within the
> U.S. For instance, CN Britain (or whatever it's called) airs The New
> Bat-Sup Adventures (on Kids' WB! over here), and CN South Africa
> doesn't air Space Ghost Coast to Coast. Every one has a separate web
> site; you can find 'em with a quick search. (Although the American
> CN.com is the best, with Chip Duffey's original Space Ghost content,
> the DOC and Favorites section, and more complete coverage with a
> cooler design overall.)
Thanks!
Kids Online
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<ko...@softhome.net.net.net> wrote in message
> On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:10:59 GMT, "Kids Online"
> <mi...@kids-online.net> wrote:
>
> >Variety or specialize.... Both are valid choices....
> What about well-done shows that can be appreciated by everyone? Ren &
> Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, The Adventures of Pete & Pete, Sesame
> Street, Batman: The Animated Series, Superman:TAS, Dexter's Lab,
> Powerpuff Girls, Rocky & Bullwinkle... this goes back even to the
> early days of Looney Toons, when they were shown before features in
> the movie theater. Not just kids' movies -- ALL movies! One can watch
> these shows at ages 5, 10, 18, 30, and 60 and appreciate them all at a
> different level. THAT level of quality is what many people (i.e.
> Michael Martin, secrtbear, and myself) want Nickelodeon to bring back.
I understand. I really don't know which way would be best myself, but you
definately have a great point! I guess your right. If a show appeals to all
ages and is loved by all ages, it is probably the better choice!
Kids Online
secrtbear <ai...@gs.verio.net> wrote in message
news:37ba5dea...@news.gulfsouth.verio.net...
> Thank you! You've just summed up my main complaint with Nick. I had
> Cousin Skeeter on tonight. I've decided he must've been a crack
> baby...yet my cousins (7 and 11) watch it. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T
> KNOW ANY BETTER. It seems that kids will watch most anything you put
> in front of them, as long as it looks funny.
Hey this is an awesome point! I never really thought about it like that.
There is probably a lot of truth to real young kids watching most anything
in front of them.... Commercials for instance.... This should be something
common sense would have told me! To be honest, I never thought about it!
Excellent point!
Natjackm92
>
What about Helga and Arnold?
NickBakerM
>>
>
>What about Helga and Arnold?
No, someone said all the characters are interested in WOMEN, and none of the
female characters are.
secrtbear
<mi...@kids-online.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hey this is an awesome point! I never really thought about it like that.
>There is probably a lot of truth to real young kids watching most anything
>in front of them.... Commercials for instance.... This should be something
>common sense would have told me! To be honest, I never thought about it!
>Excellent point!
>
>--
>mi...@kids-online.net
>
>http://www.kids-online.net
Thanks ! :)
I've watched TV from birth and always been addicted to it. And I
know when I was a kid, I watched a lot of stuff that was just plain
not funny. Anyone remember the cartoon of the Ghostbusters. Not The
REAL Ghostbusters. The other one with the gorilla and the saying "go
go ghostbusters!" it was this cheezy filmation ripoff. But I watched
it. Why? Because I was 5. And because it was there. And today's
five year olds are watching Cousin Skeeter. Do you really think
they'll fondly remember that piece o' crap when they're 20? Probably
not. More than likely they'll be kinda embarassed about it.
-secrtbear
secrtbear
>
>I understand. I really don't know which way would be best myself, but you
>definately have a great point! I guess your right. If a show appeals to all
>ages and is loved by all ages, it is probably the better choice!
>
tshirts ranging from toddler size to adult. How many adults would
wear a CatDog shirt. Wider appeal of a show means wider merchandising
appeal.
=secrtbear
secrtbear
<jayl...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>;Anyone remember the cartoon of the Ghostbusters.
>Not The
>REAL Ghostbusters. The other one with the gorilla
>and the saying "go
>go ghostbusters!" it was this cheezy filmation ripoff.>
>The Ghostbusters cartoon with the gorilla was an animated version of
>Filmation's LIVE ACTION <http://www/geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/6009/ghost.htm">Ghost
>Busters show from 1975. They resurrected the characters in cartoon
>form to capitalize on the popularity of the movie..
>"The REAL Ghostbusters" title had something to do with a settlement
>over ownership of the name...
>--Jay
>
I realized that the name had to do with the ownership of the real name
and the movie, but I didn't realize that there was a Live action Ghost
Busters show. Either way, the cartoon sucked, as it was made by
filmation, probably the WORST animation studio ever. Except for Games
;)
-secrtbear
My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
>> Dexter's Lab is the only Cartoon Cartoon you listed. (Two Stupid Dogs,
>> Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, Cartoon Planet, this fall's The Brak
>> Show, and probably others are CN originals that are not CC's.)
>
>I thought 'The Brak Show' concept was dropped. Didn't Andy Merril quit
>Ghost Planet a year ago?
Heeeeeeee's back! If you want the transcript from the panel
discussion, I can get it for you. It's long, but there's a
heckuvalotta info, i.e. Monica (as in Brandy 'n' Monica) is on the
pilot, singing "I Love You Baby." E-mail me if you're interested.
>> - Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? (which I hate but you can't say it's not
>> popular)
>
>Little kids like it.
I hated it when I was little. :P
>> - MGM, WB and Hanna-Barbera cartoon classics (in a number of formats,
>> all of which are great)
>
>Acme Hour comes to mind. Whatever happened to the Tex Avery show?
Not much, I don't think -- check the listings at
http://www.gist.com/cartoon , although I've heard that it's not
entirely up to date. The best format, though, is "Late Nite Black and
White", which used to be on CN a` la` VH1's "Insomniac Music Theater."
Now it has been relegated to one half hour late Sunday nights.
>> - The Powerpuff Girls (another WILDLY popular Cartoon Cartoon)
>It's a pretty good cartoon.
>> - NFB (National Film Board of Canada) shorts ("O Canada!")
>It too is good, but it is on at very late times at night.
>> - Animaniacs (I only sort of like it, but it too is quite popular)
>It's better than Freakazoid, another pop-culture referencing show,
>except Freakazoid took this concept a tad too far.
I think F! is better, actually. Less useless dialog and annoying
songs, and more straight-up spoofs and silly jokes.
>> - Cartoon Theater (which, besides the crapola Superstar 9 series, has
>> some great stuff)
>They sometimes show good movies, which is more than I can say for Nick
>Flicks.
Good point.
>> Not to mention the *extremely* well-done fills after most shows.
>Like the occasional Space Ghost cartoons that are shown after SG: C2C
>and the Cartoons That Didn't Make It thing?
Cartoons That Didn't Make It is a good example. I also like "Birdman
in 'Coffee Break'" and the Jabberjaw "shortie" (placing JJ in a ska
band).
- Peter Destructo
"Because our financing came through very late, we were unable to
fasten down time at the good foreign animation studios...so if you
note a certain unevenness to the episodes, that's a function of having
to have them done at places like Joe's Bargain Animation of Seoul."
-Diane Duane, writer, "Dinosaucers"
My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
(NickBakerM) wrote:
>Fox Family is turning into a USA Network-style cable channel. The "new' Fox
>Family will start in the 99-00 season.
Does that mean it'll engage in a Great Purge?
-Peter Destrcuto
(I certainly hope so, if that means we'll start seeing some of its
properties on networks that'll SHOW THE FULL FREAKIN' 22-MINUTE SHOW!)
My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
>something we call r & b and pop (POPULAR) music.
Pop doesn't really mean popular...
My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
(secrtbear) wrote:
>I realized that the name had to do with the ownership of the real name
>and the movie, but I didn't realize that there was a Live action Ghost
>Busters show. Either way, the cartoon sucked, as it was made by
>filmation, probably the WORST animation studio ever. Except for Games
Hey, the Games logo is on Rocko episodes...
-PD
(besides, the *animation* was fine...)
NickBakerM
>>and the movie, but I didn't realize that there was a Live action Ghost
>>Busters show. Either way, the cartoon sucked, as it was made by
>>filmation, probably the WORST animation studio ever. Except for Games
>
>Hey, the Games logo is on Rocko episodes...
Nicktoons Studio is just a new Games! Games Animations was made by Nickelodeon
to create Nicktoons. NIckelodeon decided to move to Burbank and open Nicktoon
Studios, to replace Games.
>In between viewings of "The Iron Giant", ai...@gs.verio.net
>(secrtbear) wrote:
What is with the "between viewings of "The Iron Giant"" thing? It's annoying,
even worse is that the movie sucks.
NickBakerM
Whatever you say...
My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
(NickBakerM) wrote:
>>Pop doesn't really mean popular...
>
>Whatever you say...
Seriously. It's more like a genre. Rap isn't pop. Swing, which didn't
even get fifteen full minutes, is also not pop.
-Peter Destructo
"I trust Alex Trebeck's endorsement of the Phonics Game a hell of a
lot more than Kenan and Kel for Hooked on Phonics. People respect
Alex, because he's the host of a show that is about knowing things and
being intelligent. Kenan and Kel were in Good Burger." -secrtbear
My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
nickb...@aol.com (NickBakerM) wrote:
>What is with the "between viewings of "The Iron Giant"" thing? It's annoying,
>even worse is that the movie sucks.
Have you actually seen it?
NickBakerM
Yes...
NickBakerM
>even get fifteen full minutes, is also not pop.
Pop is popular right now. Backstreet Boys, N Sync, Britney Spears are all
popular. So, in a sense, currently pop means popular.
Richard Forester
mention into the R&B category. They are popular, but not necessarily "Pop"
which - in my opinion - really doesn't exist anymore.
Of course, the category of R&B has been distorted so badly that almost
anyone with a good vocal range is put there. Kind of like "alternative"
which used to be an actual category now includes anyone who is just plain
bad.
Richard
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NickBakerM
>mention into the R&B category. They are popular, but not necessarily "Pop"
>which - in my opinion - really doesn't exist anymore.
According to MTV, you can only be R & B if your black. It's true - some person
on that show sounds the same as Spears but shes on the Jams Countdown thing.
>Of course, the category of R&B has been distorted so badly that almost
>anyone with a good vocal range is put there. Kind of like "alternative"
>which used to be an actual category now includes anyone who is just plain
>bad.
Hey, I like R & B.
MegamorphJ
whereas Pop is happy tunes, lively beats.
>It's true - some person
>on that show sounds the same as Spears but shes on the Jams Countdown thing.
Who? P.S. Britney Spear's breakout song, "Baby, One more Time" was orginally
going to go towards the group TLC. They declined, and it went to Britney.
My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
(MegamorphJ) wrote:
>Who? P.S. Britney Spear's breakout song, "Baby, One more Time" was orginally
>going to go towards the group TLC. They declined, and it went to Britney.
So who actually writes this crap?
-PD
TServo2049
NickBakerM wrote:
> >1. CN is not afraid to do a little light swearing. The character Race in
> >Johnny Quest (I know it's on Toonami ) say's HELL and DAMN all the time!
> >Nick NEVER does this. The show Dexter on CN has the word CRAP in it.
>
> Helga of Nickelodeon's Hey Arnold says crap quite frequently.
>
> >2. The show Cow and Chicken has SATAN as a character on the show. He's
> >pretty funny actually. No one has complained about it because it's still on
> >the air with NEW episodes.
>
> Well, 'Peaches' of Rocko was Satan.
No, he was the Grim Reaper.
NickBakerM
>going to go towards the group TLC. They declined, and it went to Britney.
It doesn't sound like the type of song (lyrics) TLC would sing. Anyways,
Britney Spears has been successful with the 3 songs that she's released so far.
NickBakerM
>
> No, he was the Grim Reaper.
A mixture of both?
AlexJ33106
annoying,
>>even worse is that the movie sucks.
>Have you actually seen it?
I have, and I have to agree with Peter Destructo: How could someone say such an
intelligently written and beautifully drawn movie "sucked"? Personally, I
thought it was one of the best films of the year. Good-day.
-Alex(The #2 Simpsons/Transformers Fan)
NickBakerM
>an
>intelligently written and beautifully drawn movie "sucked"? Personally, I
>thought it was one of the best films of the year. Good-day.
Well, I thaught it was terrible, and the box office agrees.
My name is Peter Destructo. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
(NickBakerM) wrote:
>Well, I thaught it was terrible, and the box office agrees.
There's a reason for that: Warner refused to run a decent promotion
campaign for IG. You are unique in that you didn't like it; exit polls
have shown that approx. 97% of people who see it love it. Only -- no
one went. The marketing department at WB cut their own quasi-Disney
trailers that had nothing to do with the feel of the actual movie. The
ads, crappy as they were, mostly were limited to Nickelodeon, Cartoon
Network, and the syndicated children's blocks. There was no attempt to
reach out to adults who would get many of the jokes and references
that are lost on their eight-year-old kids.
- Peter Destructo
"I never quite understood why they couldn't use words from the English
language, instead of changing the meanings. It's now like I could walk
up to someone on the street and say (not that I would, as this is just
an example) 'Did you see that person over there? Boy, he looks
stupid!', and I'll get a response like this 'Yeah, he looks dope!'.
It's a crazy world we live in." - Michael Martin
I am not an anti-gun film!
DarthArada
Nick, I never thought you'd go to the level of saying something like that about
Iron Giant.
Michael Martin
>promotion campaign for IG. You
>are unique in that you didn't like it; exit polls have
>shown that approx. 97% of people who see
>it love it. Only -- no one went. The marketing department
>at WB cut their own quasi-Disney
>trailers that had nothing to do with the feel of the actual
>movie. The ads, crappy as they were,
>mostly were limited to Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and
>the syndicated children's blocks.
>There was no attempt to reach out to adults who would get
>many of the jokes and references
>that are lost on their eight-year-old kids.
There was a rather lengthy article on aint-it-cool-news.com
by an animator that was furious because of how terrible WB
handled their film. Sadly, WB hasn't been doing good at all
in the last few years. I now think of them as the company
that releases a crappy TV show or superhero movie every
summer (and I mean every summer! There's Batman Forever
[I'm a Batman fan, so I hated how much the series changed,
but that's another story], Batman & Robin, Wild Wild West,
etc). I haven't seen Iron Giant yet, but I'm betting that
its good because AlexJ33106 and Peter Destructo say it is.
That may sound like a dumb (?) reason, but many other film
reviewers liked the film a whole lot too. WB has put out TWO
bombs this summer: Wild Wild West, which just plain sucked,
and Iron Giant. This is a Nick ng, but I guess this sort of
doesn't matter on where it is. I saw Tarzan, and I thought
it was fantastic, except that they followed the Disney
formula AGAIN (if they have another annoying sidekick again
I'm going to go nuts). Oh, well.
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>about
>Iron Giant.
I didn't like it. Iron Giant striked me as a merchandise movie because of one
reason: The Iron Giant. It's not good, the jokes are terrible, and it's a
false re-make of the 60's (according to my dad)
DarthArada
formula AGAIN (if they have another annoying sidekick again
I'm going to go nuts). Oh, well.>
For god's sakes, it's a kid's genre too!
Michael Martin
Yes, and your point would be? Disney's taken classic books
and turned them into (normally) great movies. The only thing
that brings down these movies is that they all have annyoing
sidekicks (Sabastian in Little Mermaid, Gargoyles in Notre
Dame, Mushu in Mulan, etc.). ALL OF THEM. They either need
to make a movie that is absolutely for kids, or deviate from
this. It's like the James Bond formula, where it was started
in Goldfinger, used well in Goldeneye, and butchered in
Tomorrow Never Dies.
AlexJ33106
...Yet the box office *liked* "I Still Know What You Did Last Summer" and "The
Bride Of Chucky". I think I proved my point. Good-day.
-Alex(The #2 Simpsons/Transformers Fan)
DarthArada
Bride Of Chucky". I think I proved my point. Good-day.>
Amen! Then again there's the Blair Witch Project. God, Myrick and Sanchez are
so god damn rich.
MegamorphJ
>Amen! Then again there's the Blair Witch Project. God, Myrick and Sanchez are
>so god damn rich.
Even with the hype and spoofs, "Blair Witch" hasn't even made #1.
Richard Forester
really isn't what it used to be. Now acts who are clearly not R&B but have
a good vocal range are considered R&B. That's all.
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Michael Martin
nil, and the IG toy was a ltd. release.
*looks up*
*turns green*
*faints out of confusion*
An artist who sells junk, or a junk dealer who sells art?
>reason: The Iron Giant.
That's pretty silly, because the promotions were basically nil, and
the IG toy was a ltd. release.
>It's not good, the jokes are terrible, and it's a
>false re-make of the 60's
I suppose it's pretty bad at that, because it's actually set in the
50's.
> (according to my dad)
Hmph. I guess I see where he gets it...
-Peter Destructo
"...The Iron Giant is one of those movies that you walk out of feeling
good about the world and everything in it.It brightens your day and
makes even the bad things seem in some way good. For example I went to
Dunkin' Donuts to get something to eat and there was this gorgeous
girl behind the counter and when I got my food and started eating it I
noticed that there was a long strand of her hair in it.
"Ooh Baby."
- Damian Allen
Nicholas Baker Miller
>Bride Of Chucky". I think I proved my point. Good-day.
I liked Bride of Chucky!
A POST BY
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Nicholas Baker Miller
>really isn't what it used to be. Now acts who are clearly not R&B but have
>a good vocal range are considered R&B. That's all.
>
Ok,
leel...@my-deja.com
mmar...@flash.net wrote:
> I must disagree. Yes, Nick is now terrible, but kids cherish it. You
> seem to be a big CN fan, but I think you have to remember that Cow and
> Chicken is just a shameless Ren and Stimpy ripoff. It's humor relies
on
> saying 'pork butts' and the like. It's also good to remember that Cow
> and Chicken is the same almost every episode, much like a Nicktoon
that
> shall remain nameless (*COUGH* *RUGRATS* *COUGH*). About swearing,
> Johnny Quest is not CN's own show (well, it technically is, as it was
> originally aired on TNT, a Turner owned network), but it is somewhat
> daring, but maybe not as daring as the 1993 Batman cartoon (when it
was
> just called 'Batman' and there weren't 90 spinoffs of it). Ren and
> Stimpy used to say the word crap quite a bit. I cannot recall hearing
it
> on Dexter, actually (although it is still a good show). And there's a
> reason Nick is childish: LITTLE KIDS GIVE NICK RATINGS. And the last
> time I checked, Nick was ahead of CN in the ratings. Nick's been
around
> for 20 years. I would see CN going down much faster than Nick. CN has
> had a few good shows (e.g. anything with Space Ghost), but they do not
> last long (also e.g. anything with Space Ghost). Toonami is okay, but
I
> can't sit through Sailor Moon for more than 2 minutes. All That never
> has rock groups on because (if you haven't noticed yet) it's one of
> those 'hip hop' shows (you wouldn't mind if I borrowed this
expression,
> would you Secrtbear?) that little kids think is real 'dope' and 'phat'
> and they think rock music is 'whack'. As much as I like CN, I must
admit
> that some of the Cartoon Cartoons are sub-par. And so what if the
devil
> is in Cow and Chicken? Who is going to care, only devil worshopers?
And
> for the record, he is never refered to as the devil, but as the 'red
> guy'. You have some good points here, but you should do more research
to
> see if you are right in your statements. I realize it's your own
> opinion, as this is mine.
>
You could also reffer him as that guy downstairs.
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