Commi Chung & CBS News
Emil T. Chuck
(Robert S. Posey 575-6627 msgid 3EVT) wrote:
> I Just heard the interview tape and I don't think that Connie did any thing wrong. My Interpation of the comment in no way seems to indicate that Connie seriously told Ms. Gingrich that her comment would be off the record. Connie said it in a laughing voice, the cameras were rolling and Ms Gingrich knew it. I guess I will have to withhold final judgement till I see video, but I don't think Connie was out of line. I do think that the whole idea that the fact Speaker Gingrich calls Ms Clinton a bitch i
n private is not surprising. There certainly seems to be no love lost between them and Speaker Gingrich is something of a bomb thrower anyway. The only information I got from the whole deal is that his family is low class enough that he would use the word "bitch" in front of his mother to describe the First Lady. <
Well, a lot of other journalists have voiced their opinion saying she did
step out of bounds and disagree with your assessment.
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"For you see, my fellow Republicans, we are the change!"
Ronald Reagan, RNC speech, August 17, 1992
"Maybe setting my username to 'Fabio' wasn't such a hot idea."
Jason Fox, Foxtrot by Bill Amend, 9/28/94
Emil T. Chuck
wrote:
> If I am not mistaken, didn't Ms. Chung state that her questian "was just
> between you and me" -- if that was the case, and I believe that it was,
> even though Newt's mother should never have said anything like what she
> did in the first place, Ms. Chung broke her confidence on national TV. I
> am a trained journalist and tonight I lost a great deal of respect for one
> of my own.
Well what I'm still bewildered is how the news editors of "Eye to Eye"
could allow Chung's journalistic reputation to be crushed like that. I have
to really question the ethical judgement of the news editors as well. They
could have left that part on the cutting room floor, and no controversy
would have happened.
Emil T. Chuck
Martin) wrote:
>
> This is a copy of the letter I emailed CBS:
>
> Please forward to Connie Chung.
>
> Dear Ms. Chung:
>
> My wife is Chinese, we have 2 boys, and 90% of our friends
> are Chinese. I'm a member of the Organization of Chinese
> Americans (OCA). Prior to yesterday, you were a prime model
> for Chinese Americans. Regardless of whether you are able
> to justify your public voicing of Mrs. Gingrich's whisper in
> your own mind, in the public mind, you have lost all journal-
> istic integrity. If I was you, I'd come forth and admit my
> mistake, apologize to Mrs. Gingrich and Newt -- after all,
> we all have private thoughts we hold among those we converse
> with in private confidence. Being Chinese, you should be well
> aware of one's private face versus one's public face. I am
> one who believes people should be allowed to make mistakes if
> they are mature enough to admit them. Please show professional
> integrity and show maturity. You'll reputation will be re-
> gained and after a couple of months, if you never betray one's
> trust again, you'll be the former model for Chinese Americans
> that you were prior to yesterday.
>
> Sincerely,
> Roleigh Martin
> 5511 Malibu Drive
> Edina MN 55436
> ph: 612-945-6529 (days)
>
> P.S. On a personal side note, I know your husband is not
> Chinese. Be sure and introduce him to the most fascinating
> game of Chinese Chess (Xiangqi)--it was not until my 16th
> year of marriage before I learned of this game and it has
> since become my favorite game. Even if you do not know the
> game, please obtain a set with rules in English for him. I
> can provide you with abundant (by email) information on Chinese
> Chess if you are interested.
Frankly, I don't know if I consider her a role model just because she is
Chinese. I know she is rather prominent in that very interesting public
position. I'm essentially disappointed not because she betrayed the trust
of Chinese Americans so much as she betrayed so many people's ideas that
she was at least a professional newscaster.
As for Chinese chess, I know about the game but I never really got the hang
of it. Of course, I can't play European chess for my life either. (Not to
mention 3D chess a la Star Trek.)
Emil T. Chuck
hh...@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Henry H Hansteen) wrote:
>
> : In article <3ef31a$10...@msunews.cl.msu.edu> ad...@msu.edu (Andre' L. Micheaux) writes:
> : >From: ad...@msu.edu (Andre' L. Micheaux)
> : >Subject: Commi Chung & CBS News
> : >Date: 4 Jan 1995 21:13:14 GMT
>
> : >I urge all Rupublicans to flood CBS with complaints about Commi Chungs
> : >interview with Newt Gingrich's mother and flood any advertiser that
> : >airs time during CBS nightly news that you won't buy or use their product
> : >as long as she, the leftest "BITCH II", is allowed to continue as anchor!
>
> You newt lovers are funny as hell. You whine and cry because the press
> doesn't report the "facts", but when Ms. Chung does just that, you cry
> because you don't happen to like that partcular fact.
I love this! If that's the case, I'd love to see how the O.J. Simpson trial
goes. By your standards, O.J. should be fried because Nicole's sister
believes he did it!!!
> Face it, newt is a typical money and power crazed republican who would
> prostitute his own mother if the price was right.
Probably, but that doesn't justify a breach in professional conduct by Mrs.
Chung.
> How 'bout old newt serving his wife divorce papers while she's recovering
> in the cancer ward - after he cheated on her. Now there's a family value,
> newt style. He, and the republican takeover of the congress, are a tragedy
> for America. I thought we learned our lesson after reagan and bush bankrupted
> the country morally and fiscally. Some folks are slow - make that no -
> learners.
> Later,
> Henry
And obviously, you're typical of the kindergarten class.
T. Bruce Tober
Ah yes, a couple of mature professional journalists, no wonder the
public has little if any respect for us.
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Chris Woodward (PSY)
>In article <D1wsv...@skopen.dseg.ti.com>, po...@skopen.dseg.ti.com
>(Robert S. Posey 575-6627 msgid 3EVT) wrote:
>> I Just heard the interview tape and I don't think that Connie did any thing wrong. My Interpation of the comment in no way seems to indicate that Connie seriously told Ms. Gingrich that her comment would be off the record. Connie said it in a laughing voice, the cameras were rolling and Ms Gingrich knew it. I guess I will have to withhold final judgement till I see video, but I don't think Connie was out of line. I do think that the whole idea that the fact Speaker Gingrich calls Ms Clinton a bitch
i
>n private is not surprising. There certainly seems to be no love lost between them and Speaker Gingrich is something of a bomb thrower anyway. The only information I got from the whole deal is that his family is low class enough that he would use the word "bitch" in front of his mother to describe the First Lady. <
>
>Well, a lot of other journalists have voiced their opinion saying she did
>step out of bounds and disagree with your assessment.
Well, a lot of other journalists are spineless butt-kissers. She was on
camera, her son had been in politics for years and years, and she surely
should have realized that, on camera, there's no such thing as "off the
record".
Newt was *still* low-class enough to call the First Lady a bitch in front
of his mother. (cue the music from "Deliverance").
--
[ Chris Woodard, M.A. ]
[ Anheuser-Busch Chair of Computational Theology ]
[ University of Ediacara ]
[ "Open-mindedness is not synonymous with blind gullibility." ]
Peter Sakalaukus
>
> Well, a lot of other journalists are spineless butt-kissers. She was on
> camera, her son had been in politics for years and years, and she surely
> should have realized that, on camera, there's no such thing as "off the
> record".
Why? Why should she have realized it? If she was journalistically savy then
ok; if she were Newt fine; she wasn't and isn't and Connie took advantage
of her for personal gain.
Emil T. Chuck
> In article <etc-0501...@meds20516.meds.cwru.edu> e...@po.cwru.edu (Emil T. Chuck) writes:
> >In article <D1wsv...@skopen.dseg.ti.com>, po...@skopen.dseg.ti.com
> >(Robert S. Posey 575-6627 msgid 3EVT) wrote:
> >> I Just heard the interview tape and I don't think that Connie did any thing wrong. My Interpation of the comment in no way seems to indicate that Connie seriously told Ms. Gingrich that her comment would be off the record. Connie said it in a laughing voice, the cameras were rolling and Ms Gingrich knew it. I guess I will have to withhold final judgement till I see video, but I don't think Connie was out of line. I do think that the whole idea that the fact Speaker Gingrich calls Ms Clinton a bitc
> >
> >Well, a lot of other journalists have voiced their opinion saying she did
> >step out of bounds and disagree with your assessment.
>
> Well, a lot of other journalists are spineless butt-kissers. She was on
> camera, her son had been in politics for years and years, and she surely
> should have realized that, on camera, there's no such thing as "off the
> record".
Hey, wait a second. Some may kiss some butt to get a story, but I never had
put Connie in that category before this!
> Newt was *still* low-class enough to call the First Lady a bitch in front
> of his mother. (cue the music from "Deliverance").
Well... one can imagine the reverse happening: Newt's mom calling the First
Lady a bitch in front of her son. Which is more outrageous? (first two
chords of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" here).
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"You know what my son calls life? ... Well, life's a bitch!"
Imagine my mother saying that to Connie Chung.
Emil T. Chuck
And CBS News publicized it for all it was worth and more... to the point
where I guess many news editors thought this were more important than the
installation of the 104th Congress. Really weird.
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"You know what my son calls life? ... Well, life's a bitch!"
Imagine my mother saying that to Connie Chung.
"For you see, my fellow Republicans, we are the change!"
Peter Nelson
: In article <3eharc$4t...@rohcs1.uhc.com>, r...@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh
: Frankly, I don't know if I consider her a role model just because she is
: Chinese. I know she is rather prominent in that very interesting public
: position. I'm essentially disappointed not because she betrayed the trust
: of Chinese Americans so much as she betrayed so many people's ideas that
: she was at least a professional newscaster.
You dopes !!! "TV News" is an entertainment medium! A
"professional newscaster" on TV is an entertainer, whose
job is too keep people amused and interested enough to
guarantee a lucrative audience to the advertisers. Get
the idea out of your heads that there are any concepts of
"journalistic standards" or "journalistic ethics" in that
job. Did Chung's interview attract lots of attention
and comment? Yes! So she did her job, and did it well.
She deserves a big raise.
Personally I gave up watching TV years ago because I decided
it was brain-dead and directed at stupid people. Clearly
it still has a large following on Usenet.
"News" is events that directly affect your life. Not the
personality stuff, plane-crashes, train wrecks and celebrity
trials that they plaster all over the tube. Interest rates,
commodities prices, developments in science and technology,
and politics (in the sense of laws actually passed and
regulations actually enacted, not flowery speeches and pos-
turing), business deals between companies, etc are much
more newsworthy. You'll get more real news out of a
single issue of the Wall Street Journal than a year of
TV network "news", but it won't be as entertaining so most
people find it too dry and boring.
---peter
henry jakala
: In article <etc-0501...@meds20516.meds.cwru.edu> e...@po.cwru.edu (Emil T. Chuck) writes:
: >In article <D1wsv...@skopen.dseg.ti.com>, po...@skopen.dseg.ti.com
: >(Robert S. Posey 575-6627 msgid 3EVT) wrote:
: >> I Just heard the interview tape and I don't think that Connie did any thing wrong. My Interpation of the comment in no way seems to indicate that Connie seriously told Ms. Gingrich that her comment would be off the record. Connie said it in a laughi
ng voice, the cameras were rolling and Ms Gingrich knew it. I guess I will have to withhold final judgement till I see video, but I don't think Connie was out of line. I do think that the whole idea that the fact Speaker Gingrich calls Ms Clinton a bit
ch
: i
: >n private is not surprising. There certainly seems to be no love lost between them and Speaker Gingrich is something of a bomb thrower anyway. The only information I got from the whole deal is that his family is low class enough that he would use the
word "bitch" in front of his mother to describe the First Lady. <
: >
: >Well, a lot of other journalists have voiced their opinion saying she did
: >step out of bounds and disagree with your assessment.
: Well, a lot of other journalists are spineless butt-kissers. She was on
: camera, her son had been in politics for years and years, and she surely
: should have realized that, on camera, there's no such thing as "off the
: record".
it wasn;t a live broadcast was it ?
it's no different then some print media journalist scribbling
his notes ar taping the conversation is it ?
they could have edited it out ?
face it, connie was on a fishing expedition and hit paydirt
except it was off the record paydirt.
connie decided to throw herself on her own sword, the first
martyr for the counter-conservative revolution. her career
is probably over, hope she thought saving our Philanderer in
Chief's flabby ass was worth it because it ain;t gonna help him
one iota.
: Newt was *still* low-class enough to call the First Lady a bitch in front
: of his mother. (cue the music from "Deliverance").
: --
: [ Chris Woodard, M.A. ]
: [ Anheuser-Busch Chair of Computational Theology ]
: [ University of Ediacara ]
: [ "Open-mindedness is not synonymous with blind gullibility." ]
Liberals are to Liberty
as
Totalitarian Communist States are to People's Democratic Republics
Eric W. Choi
Nelson) wrote:
> Emil T. Chuck (e...@po.cwru.edu) wrote:
> : In article <3eharc$4t...@rohcs1.uhc.com>, r...@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh
>
>
> : Frankly, I don't know if I consider her a role model just because she is
> : Chinese. I know she is rather prominent in that very interesting public
> : position. I'm essentially disappointed not because she betrayed the trust
> : of Chinese Americans so much as she betrayed so many people's ideas that
> : she was at least a professional newscaster.
>
As a Chinese American, I never consider Connie Chung to be a role model.
After all, she is another elitist liberal netowrk reporter. Newt's mom
probably thought Connie was different than the other reporters and she was
wrong. Chinese Americans should not have made her a role model to start
with.
EWC
Joseph Guerrant
>And CBS News publicized it for all it was worth and more... to the point
>where I guess many news editors thought this were more important than the
>installation of the 104th Congress. Really weird.
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>"You know what my son calls life? ... Well, life's a bitch!"
> Imagine my mother saying that to Connie Chung.
>"For you see, my fellow Republicans, we are the change!"
> Ronald Reagan, RNC speech, August 17, 1992
>"Maybe setting my username to 'Fabio' wasn't such a hot idea."
> Jason Fox, Foxtrot by Bill Amend, 9/28/94
It's not that weird. The unfortunate thing about all this is that it just
takes away too darn much time from coverage of the OJ trial!
I wonder what Tanya Harding thinks about Hillary? If Hillary and Tonya
Harding had a no-holds-bared fight, which would win? Ever think about that?
I vote for Tonya, since she was a world class athlete, but Hillary might
surprise me - she's smart! Might have a few tricks up her sleave. I
wouldn't expect Newt's mom to fight either of them since she's an older
lady, although I still haven't seen the interview. I've never seen Newt's
mom before, but she sounds like a nice lady. Doesn't mean nothing in a
fight!
Maybe get all three of those ladies and have a match with OJ (no knives this
time). I'd still vote for OJ winning that one, since his physical abilities
should far exceed the average 40 something 220 pound man. He was a Heisman
Trophy winner, after all. If Clinton and Newt jumped in, OJ'd be a gonner.
Well, obviously none of the folks would be too likely to participate in any
of this, but it's fun to imagine. They could make a lot of money though,
I'll bet. I think I read Clinton's mom used to like to watch wrestling. I
remember a guy that used to wrestle called "Man Mountain Mike", who I
thought was pretty funny. She may have enjoyed his work, too.
If Clinton and Newt were to arm wrestle, who would win? Does Newt work out?
Clinton used to jog a lot, I know. Both those guys need to lose a little
weight, but then I do too. Some people call me "lard bucket", but I could
still easily wrestle Tonya Harding into a hold - all by myself. I won't
even bring Connie Chung into this whole thing, since she looks to be even
smaller than Tonya Harding. I wouldn't mind wrestling both of them, though.
That was a _horrible_ picture they had of Tonya crying, wasn't it? Looked
like Frankenstein.
--
Joe Guerrant - jg...@primenet.com
Emil T. Chuck
In a previous article, jg...@Primenet.Com (Joseph Guerrant) says:
>e...@po.cwru.edu (Emil T. Chuck) writes:
>>And CBS News publicized it for all it was worth and more... to the point
>>where I guess many news editors thought this were more important than the
>>installation of the 104th Congress. Really weird.
>
>takes away too darn much time from coverage of the OJ trial!
Actually, this is kinda coincidental, but I heard this morning that some
news watchdog group (but not AIM or FAIR) made the following observations
last year:
ABC News had the least coverage on the OJ trial of all three major
news networks.
NBC had 25% more coverage relative to ABC.
CBS had 50% more coverage relative to ABC.
>I wonder what Tanya Harding thinks about Hillary? If Hillary and Tonya
>Harding had a no-holds-bared fight, which would win? Ever think about that?
>I vote for Tonya, since she was a world class athlete, but Hillary might
>surprise me - she's smart! Might have a few tricks up her sleave. I
>wouldn't expect Newt's mom to fight either of them since she's an older
>lady, although I still haven't seen the interview. I've never seen Newt's
>mom before, but she sounds like a nice lady. Doesn't mean nothing in a
>fight!
>
>Maybe get all three of those ladies and have a match with OJ (no knives this
>time). I'd still vote for OJ winning that one, since his physical abilities
>should far exceed the average 40 something 220 pound man. He was a Heisman
>Trophy winner, after all. If Clinton and Newt jumped in, OJ'd be a gonner.
>Well, obviously none of the folks would be too likely to participate in any
>of this, but it's fun to imagine. They could make a lot of money though,
>I'll bet. I think I read Clinton's mom used to like to watch wrestling. I
>remember a guy that used to wrestle called "Man Mountain Mike", who I
>thought was pretty funny. She may have enjoyed his work, too.
Same study found that CBS also had more coverage on the Tonya Harding story
than any of the other networks.
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"Maybe setting my username to 'Fabio' wasn't such a hot idea."
Jason Fox, Foxtrot by Bill Amend, Sep 28 94
Emil Thomas Chuck (e...@po.cwru.edu) Department of Genetics
CWRU School of Medicine and Rainbow Babies & Children Hospital
Margo
>From: jg...@Primenet.Com (Joseph Guerrant)
>I wonder what Tanya Harding thinks about Hillary? If Hillary and Tonya
>Harding had a no-holds-bared fight, which would win? Ever think about that?
>I vote for Tonya, since she was a world class athlete, but Hillary might
>surprise me - she's smart!
I get the feeling that it won't be fighting you'd see if you got hilly and
tanya in a ring together. Unless of course Reno was the "prize."
amERICA
Stephen Lajoie
into stupidity.
It is not clear to me if she was just trying to be cute; or if it was born
out of frustration with the new Republican majority, a shrill cry to the
people that are increasingly holding the media in contempt and disrepute.
IF it was the former, it should have been edited out. If it was the
latter, it only went to further confirm the belief that most American's
have that the media is not just bias against the Republicans, but would
stoop pretty low in their vicious attempt to discredit them.
And, considering Hillary's treatment of military personnel in the White
House, I would have to say that the speaker's assessment is correct.
Now, lets go back and see what Joe Q. Public says that his mom about
Connie Chung...
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Steve La Joie
laj...@eskimo.com
Margo
>From: ewc...@cris.com (Eric W. Choi)
>As a Chinese American, I never consider Connie Chung to be a role model.
>After all, she is another elitist liberal netowrk reporter. Newt's mom
>probably thought Connie was different than the other reporters and she was
>wrong. Chinese Americans should not have made her a role model to start
>with.
Glad to hear it! The only Chinese people I know own the local Chinese
Restaurant (yummy!) and don't speak english too well.
Usually I just point to what we want on the menu (after I say (Knee ha ma- is
that Japanese or Chinese?) and they bring it. Anyway, yesterday I brought in a
picture of Connie Chung- and pointed to it hoping to get his opinion.
He frowned and brought me a large order of roast pork fried rice with
crushed nuts.
amERICA
Brian L. Robinson
It seemed pretty obvious from the whole tone of the interview that Newt's mom
did not really expect that comment to remain unheard.
Consider
1. that much of the whole interview had had the tone of women gossiping.
2. Mrs. Gingrich brought up the subject on her own.
3. Mrs. Gingrich did not require much persuasion and did not in fact
"whisper in [Connie's] ear"
4. As soon as she said the "b" word, she eplained why rather loudly.
It sounded like a girl on a date saying "no" when she really means "I don't want
to seem *too* easy so try a little harder and then I'll say yes".
--
Brian L. Robinson "Gordon Way's astonishment at being suddenly shot
dead was nothing to his astonishment at what
bl...@Virginia.EDU happened next." - Douglas Adams
Ed Redondo
>From: e...@po.cwru.edu (Emil T. Chuck)
>Subject: Re: Commi Chung & CBS News
>Date: 6 Jan 1995 03:36:14 GMT
>In article <3efpag$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dea...@aol.com (Deallo)
>wrote:
>> If I am not mistaken, didn't Ms. Chung state that her questian "was just
>> between you and me" -- if that was the case, and I believe that it was,
>> even though Newt's mother should never have said anything like what she
>> did in the first place, Ms. Chung broke her confidence on national TV. I
>> am a trained journalist and tonight I lost a great deal of respect for one
>> of my own.
>Well what I'm still bewildered is how the news editors of "Eye to Eye"
>could allow Chung's journalistic reputation to be crushed like that. I have
>to really question the ethical judgement of the news editors as well. They
>could have left that part on the cutting room floor, and no controversy
>would have happened.
I'll admit that I did not see this interview but I have a feeling
that Connie used the phrase "just between you and me" the way
some people use it, not to be taken literly, especially during a
news interview.
==============================================================
The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its
credibility. And vice versa.
====================================== Ed Redondo ============
Roland Dobbins
writes:
>
>e...@po.cwru.edu (Emil T. Chuck) writes:
>
>
>>And CBS News publicized it for all it was worth and more... to the
point
>>where I guess many news editors thought this were more important than
the
>>installation of the 104th Congress. Really weird.
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>>"You know what my son calls life? ... Well, life's a bitch!"
>> Imagine my mother saying that to Connie Chung.
. . .
>
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>Joe Guerrant - jg...@primenet.com
>
ROTFL!!!
You should post this is one of the humor newsgroups . . .
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Joseph Guerrant
>In article <ewchoi-0701...@192.0.2.1> ewc...@cris.com (Eric W. Choi) writes:
>>From: ewc...@cris.com (Eric W. Choi)
>>As a Chinese American, I never consider Connie Chung to be a role model.
>>After all, she is another elitist liberal netowrk reporter. Newt's mom
>>probably thought Connie was different than the other reporters and she was
>>wrong. Chinese Americans should not have made her a role model to start
>>with.
>Glad to hear it! The only Chinese people I know own the local Chinese
>Restaurant (yummy!) and don't speak english too well.
>Usually I just point to what we want on the menu (after I say (Knee ha ma- is
>that Japanese or Chinese?) and they bring it. Anyway, yesterday I brought in a
Mandarin Chinese. That's what they speak in Beijing and on Taiwan,
as the official languages. I know because a lot of people where
I am speak Chinese, and my grandmother came from China.
>picture of Connie Chung- and pointed to it hoping to get his opinion.
>He frowned and brought me a large order of roast pork fried rice with
>crushed nuts.
>amERICA
--
Peter Brewer
Eric W. Choi <ewc...@cris.com> wrote:
>In article <D20K6...@world.std.com>, pne...@world.std.com (Peter
>Nelson) wrote:
>
>> Emil T. Chuck (e...@po.cwru.edu) wrote:
>> : In article <3eharc$4t...@rohcs1.uhc.com>, r...@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh
>>
>>
>> : Frankly, I don't know if I consider her a role model just because she is
>
>After all, she is another elitist liberal netowrk reporter. Newt's mom
Look I don't see what all the fuss is about. Even Mary McGrory thought
that Chung's actions were base and only geared towards ratings. Newt's
the one who got hung up on it all. He should have just taken a page
out of Harry Truman's book and said "Go to Hell, she's my mother and
she can say whatever she wants and if you have a problem with that
I'll be happy to meet you later to discuss it." END OF STORY.
Joseph Guerrant
>It seemed pretty obvious from the whole tone of the interview that Newt's mom
>did not really expect that comment to remain unheard.
>Consider
>1. that much of the whole interview had had the tone of women gossiping.
>2. Mrs. Gingrich brought up the subject on her own.
>3. Mrs. Gingrich did not require much persuasion and did not in fact
> "whisper in [Connie's] ear"
>4. As soon as she said the "b" word, she eplained why rather loudly.
>It sounded like a girl on a date saying "no" when she really means "I don't want
>to seem *too* easy so try a little harder and then I'll say yes".
NO MEANS NO! Connie should have gotten absolutely clear agreement and
consent from Mrs. Gingrich for each and every step in the process of
increasingly intimate questions. If that consent wasn't forthcoming,
then she should have withdrawn. Mrs. Gingrich is _not_ Connie's
plaything.
>-- >Brian L. Robinson "Gordon Way's astonishment at being suddenly shot >
dead was nothing to his astonishment at what >bl...@Virginia.EDU happened
next." - Douglas Adams
Larry Hewitt
>bl...@oak.cs.Virginia.EDU (Brian L. Robinson) writes:
>>It seemed pretty obvious from the whole tone of the interview that Newt's mom
>>did not really expect that comment to remain unheard.
>>Consider
>>1. that much of the whole interview had had the tone of women gossiping.
>>2. Mrs. Gingrich brought up the subject on her own.
>>3. Mrs. Gingrich did not require much persuasion and did not in fact
>> "whisper in [Connie's] ear"
>>4. As soon as she said the "b" word, she eplained why rather loudly.
>>It sounded like a girl on a date saying "no" when she really means "I don't want
>>to seem *too* easy so try a little harder and then I'll say yes".
>NO MEANS NO! Connie should have gotten absolutely clear agreement and
>consent from Mrs. Gingrich for each and every step in the process of
>increasingly intimate questions. If that consent wasn't forthcoming,
>then she should have withdrawn. Mrs. Gingrich is _not_ Connie's
>plaything.
This is bogus. Standard disclaimers for interviews state that unless the
interviewee _specifically_ requests that a response be off the record
then _everything_ is on the record. If you know you shoot your mouth off,
then you ask for right of final approval prior to broadcast. All of this
is expained in detail before the interview and a consent form is signed.
Face it! Newt's mom spoke out of class.
Larry
Margo
>From: jg...@Primenet.Com (Joseph Guerrant)
>NO MEANS NO! Connie should have gotten absolutely clear agreement and
>consent from Mrs. Gingrich for each and every step in the process of
>increasingly intimate questions. If that consent wasn't forthcoming,
>then she should have withdrawn. Mrs. Gingrich is _not_ Connie's
>plaything.
I love it! "No means no!" I knew we were busy teaching the wrong people this
concept.
amERICA
Margo
>From: jg...@Primenet.Com (Joseph Guerrant)
>Mandarin Chinese. That's what they speak in Beijing and on Taiwan,
>as the official languages. I know because a lot of people where
>I am speak Chinese, and my grandmother came from China.
Thanks. Now, how do you say, "connie, you're a bitch" in Chinese? Maybe I
should just ask her husband- I'm sure he know. :)
amERICA
Daniel
the mean-spirited liberals in the media. I hope this attempt to get
rating doesn't hurt her at all, even though I think what she did was
poor judgment on her part. Even Pat Schroeder (D-Co) though so!
Btw, Connie went to the U. of MD. :) Go terps! :)
Daniel
Eric W. Choi
>Thanks. Now, how do you say, "connie, you're a bitch" in Chinese? Maybe I
>should just ask her husband- I'm sure he know. :)
>
>amERICA
Excuse me for changing the subject here. I am no fan of Connie Chung. But
I am tired of the need of people who have to learn to say the "b" word in
Chinese to Connie Chung. Connie came here at a young age with her family.
I think her father was/is a diplomat from Taiwan. She is probably more
Americanized than you think and will understand the "b" word uttered in
English if you choose to do so. Her husband is that Popovit (?) guy who
used to do one of those sleazy tell-all TV shows. He is white and may not
be able to help you in how to say the "b" word.
EWC
--
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Daniel
Connie grow up in this country. Who can't detect that? The fact that
[some think] SHE is a b_tch could be do to the fact she is American-
ized. :) Personally, I don't have much of a problem w/ Connie Chung.
I like Maury [Povitch] too. He seems like a nice enough guy, though his
career seems to be on the slide.
BTW, the beautiful Connie Chung is a fellow U of MD Terp! :)
Emil T. Chuck
In a previous article, evrw...@powergrid.electriciti.com (Ed Redondo) says:
>>From: e...@po.cwru.edu (Emil T. Chuck)
>>Subject: Re: Commi Chung & CBS News
>>Date: 6 Jan 1995 03:36:14 GMT
>
>>In article <3efpag$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dea...@aol.com (Deallo)
>>wrote:
>>> If I am not mistaken, didn't Ms. Chung state that her questian "was just
>>> between you and me" -- if that was the case, and I believe that it was,
>>> even though Newt's mother should never have said anything like what she
>>> did in the first place, Ms. Chung broke her confidence on national TV. I
>>> am a trained journalist and tonight I lost a great deal of respect for one
>>> of my own.
>
>>Well what I'm still bewildered is how the news editors of "Eye to Eye"
>>could allow Chung's journalistic reputation to be crushed like that. I have
>>to really question the ethical judgement of the news editors as well. They
>>could have left that part on the cutting room floor, and no controversy
>>would have happened.
>
>I'll admit that I did not see this interview but I have a feeling
>that Connie used the phrase "just between you and me" the way
>some people use it, not to be taken literly, especially during a
>news interview.
Maybe, but it lowers the auspices of the interview into a grapevine.
Emil T. Chuck
In a previous article, jg...@Primenet.Com (Joseph Guerrant) says:
>>It seemed pretty obvious from the whole tone of the interview that Newt's mom
>>did not really expect that comment to remain unheard.
>>Consider
>
>>1. that much of the whole interview had had the tone of women gossiping.
>>2. Mrs. Gingrich brought up the subject on her own.
>>3. Mrs. Gingrich did not require much persuasion and did not in fact
>> "whisper in [Connie's] ear"
>>4. As soon as she said the "b" word, she eplained why rather loudly.
>
>>It sounded like a girl on a date saying "no" when she really means
>>"I don't want to seem *too* easy so try a little harder and then I'll
>>say yes".
>
>NO MEANS NO! Connie should have gotten absolutely clear agreement and
>consent from Mrs. Gingrich for each and every step in the process of
>increasingly intimate questions. If that consent wasn't forthcoming,
>then she should have withdrawn. Mrs. Gingrich is _not_ Connie's
>plaything.
Corroborating, I'd hate to hear anyone saying this in justification of a
hypothetical crime:
"It seemed pretty obvious that Jane intended to have sex.
1) Her clothes that she wore to the bar were sensually appealing.
2) Her behavior in flirting with men seemed to imply consent.
3) Her action to accepting John's offer to take her to his apartment
indicated she wanted sex with him.
Hence, John didn't rape Jane. She wanted sex. She had issued consent."
But the feminists say it's not Jane's fault here. She was used, and the
fact she was raped cannot be justified by any prior action or behavior she
may have taken.
But here, it's so obvious from the video that she WANTED "bitch" to be
broadcast around the world??
Followups are pared down from posted Newsgroups.
Emil T. Chuck
In a previous article, lhe...@access3.digex.net (Larry Hewitt) says:
>jg...@Primenet.Com (Joseph Guerrant) writes:
>>bl...@oak.cs.Virginia.EDU (Brian L. Robinson) writes:
>>>It seemed pretty obvious from the whole tone of the interview that Newt's mom
>>>did not really expect that comment to remain unheard.
>>>Consider
>
>>>1. that much of the whole interview had had the tone of women gossiping.
>>>2. Mrs. Gingrich brought up the subject on her own.
>>>3. Mrs. Gingrich did not require much persuasion and did not in fact
>>> "whisper in [Connie's] ear"
>>>4. As soon as she said the "b" word, she eplained why rather loudly.
>
>>>It sounded like a girl on a date saying "no" when she really means "I don't want
>>>to seem *too* easy so try a little harder and then I'll say yes".
>
>>NO MEANS NO! Connie should have gotten absolutely clear agreement and
>>consent from Mrs. Gingrich for each and every step in the process of
>>increasingly intimate questions. If that consent wasn't forthcoming,
>>then she should have withdrawn. Mrs. Gingrich is _not_ Connie's
>>plaything.
>
>This is bogus. Standard disclaimers for interviews state that unless the
>interviewee _specifically_ requests that a response be off the record
>then _everything_ is on the record. If you know you shoot your mouth off,
>then you ask for right of final approval prior to broadcast. All of this
>is expained in detail before the interview and a consent form is signed.
>
>Face it! Newt's mom spoke out of class.
I can recognize the fact that Kathleen's language was improper. On the
other hand, Connie's actions seemed to indicate she was offering
confidentiality in exchange for the answer. I doubt that Kathleen Gingrich
knows that much about "standard disclaimers." But "standard disclaimers"
didn't apply in the informal remarks Jesse Helms made to the News &
Observer reporter two months ago. (The reporter even admitted the remarks
were in the context of an informal conversation.)
I guess the message of the last two months to Republicans is, when it comes
to the press, to hell with "standard disclaimers."
--
"Maybe setting my username to 'Fabio' wasn't such a hot idea."
Jason Fox, Foxtrot by Bill Amend, Sep 28 94
Emil Thomas Chuck (e...@po.cwru.edu) Department of Genetics
Emil T. Chuck
Uh... Connie's married to Maury Povich so I would sincerely doubt it. :v)
Emil T. Chuck
For Ohioans who get the Cleveland _Plain Dealer_, today's editorial cartoon
pretty much sums up my response.
Connie is definitely not a mean-spirited person, but she gave
CBS a "black eye" on this one.
[In the PD, Connie has a "black [CBS] eye."]
Emil T. Chuck
>>Excuse me for changing the subject here. I am no fan of Connie Chung. But
>>I am tired of the need of people who have to learn to say the "b" word in
>>Chinese to Connie Chung. Connie came here at a young age with her family.
>>I think her father was/is a diplomat from Taiwan. She is probably more
>>Americanized than you think and will understand the "b" word uttered in
>>English if you choose to do so. Her husband is that Popovit (?) guy who
>>used to do one of those sleazy tell-all TV shows. He is white and may not
>>be able to help you in how to say the "b" word.
>
>Connie grow up in this country. Who can't detect that? The fact that
>[some think] SHE is a b_tch could be do to the fact she is American-
>ized. :)
Hey!!! :v)
>Personally, I don't have much of a problem w/ Connie Chung.
>I like Maury [Povitch] too. He seems like a nice enough guy, though his
>career seems to be on the slide.
"sliding down the razor blade of life..." -Tom Lehrer "Bright College Days"
Matthew Mark Thomas
>Yes, What Ms. Chung did was unprofessional, unethical, and a real lapse
>into stupidity.
>
>It is not clear to me if she was just trying to be cute; or if it was born
>out of frustration with the new Republican majority, a shrill cry to the
>people that are increasingly holding the media in contempt and disrepute.
>
>IF it was the former, it should have been edited out. If it was the
>latter, it only went to further confirm the belief that most American's
>have that the media is not just bias against the Republicans, but would
>stoop pretty low in their vicious attempt to discredit them.
[balance of post deleted]
Hey gang,
Here is a fresh story out of St. Louis regarding how "Eye to Eye with
Connie Chung" plies its trade.
An upcoming edition of that program will feature a segment on singles and
dating in the 90s (or some such fluff). That edition is to be aired later
this month. Part of the segment was shot at Harry's, a bar/restaurant
between downtown and midtown St. Louis.
In the 8 Jan 95 St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Jerry Berger's gossip/society
column reported that "Eye to Eye" had hired local models to pose at
Harry's during that segment. Both models were women. One was hired to
flirt at the bar; the other, to sit at the bar and look pretty.
Perhaps Ms. Chung will note during that segment that CBS hired models
to pose at Harry's during filming. If so: Fine; Ms. Chung will have been
honest. If not, however, Ms. Chung's program sinks to the level of NBC's
"Dateline." (Not that it isn't already at the level of her husband's
former "A Current Affair," regarding the Gingrich incident.)
Matt
Margo
>From: ewc...@cris.com (Eric W. Choi)
>In article <amERICA.11...@epix.net>, amE...@epix.net (Margo) wrote:
>>Thanks. Now, how do you say, "connie, you're a bitch" in Chinese? Maybe I
>>should just ask her husband- I'm sure he know. :)
>>
>>amERICA
>Excuse me for changing the subject here. I am no fan of Connie Chung. But
>I am tired of the need of people who have to learn to say the "b" word in
>Chinese to Connie Chung. Connie came here at a young age with her family.
>I think her father was/is a diplomat from Taiwan. She is probably more
>Americanized than you think and will understand the "b" word uttered in
>English if you choose to do so. Her husband is that Popovit (?) guy who
>used to do one of those sleazy tell-all TV shows. He is white and may not
>be able to help you in how to say the "b" word.
>EWC
I'd be pleased if someone asked me (not that I asked you) how to say "bitch"
in Yiddish....
amERICA
Margo
>From: e...@po.CWRU.Edu (Emil T. Chuck)
>In a previous article, amE...@epix.net (Margo) says:
>>In article <3en930$6...@news.primenet.com> jg...@Primenet.Com (Joseph Guerrant) writes:
>>>From: jg...@Primenet.Com (Joseph Guerrant)
>>
>>>Mandarin Chinese. That's what they speak in Beijing and on Taiwan,
>>>as the official languages. I know because a lot of people where
>>>I am speak Chinese, and my grandmother came from China.
>>
>>Thanks. Now, how do you say, "connie, you're a bitch" in Chinese? Maybe I
>>should just ask her husband- I'm sure he know. :)
>Uh... Connie's married to Maury Povich so I would sincerely doubt it. :v)
I'm sure he's been around her family enough to have picked it up....
amERICA
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Kevin Tsai
>In article <ewchoi-0801...@192.0.2.1> ewc...@cris.com (Eric W. Choi) writes:
>>From: ewc...@cris.com (Eric W. Choi)
>>In article <amERICA.11...@epix.net>, amE...@epix.net (Margo) wrote:
>>>Thanks. Now, how do you say, "connie, you're a bitch" in Chinese? Maybe I
>>>should just ask her husband- I'm sure he know. :)
>>I am tired of the need of people who have to learn to say the "b" word in
>>Chinese to Connie Chung.
Actually, I do not believe there is an equivalent concept in Chinese
Mandarin. "Mu kou" (female dog) doesn't quite have the same
connotation as "bitch." The closest thing may be "lao wu puo," or "old
witch."
Perhaps Chinese women don't "bitch," but do other things?
>I'd be pleased if someone asked me (not that I asked you) how to say "bitch"
>in Yiddish....
So what is it in Yiddish? ;)
Kevin
.
Eddie Cheng
>
>Actually, I do not believe there is an equivalent concept in Chinese
>Mandarin. "Mu kou" (female dog) doesn't quite have the same
>connotation as "bitch." The closest thing may be "lao wu puo," or "old
>witch."
"Biao zi" would do. It literally means prostitute, but is always used
much more liberally.
There are, of course, more fitting terms in Chinese. But I am not
going to put them into the net. :)
Eddie
Kevin Tsai
>In article <3eq25l$2...@panix3.panix.com>, Kevin Tsai <ts...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>Actually, I do not believe there is an equivalent concept in Chinese
>>Mandarin. "Mu kou" (female dog) doesn't quite have the same
>>connotation as "bitch." The closest thing may be "lao wu puo," or "old
>>witch."
> "Biao zi" would do. It literally means prostitute, but is always used
>much more liberally.
But "biao zi" only refers to the sexual moral of the subject, and
the general character deriving from this sexual moral. I believe
it's much closer to calling someone a "whore" in English.
"Bitch" implies that the person is nasty, mean, and female. Feel free
to enlighten us with the more fitting terms you know, Eddie. :)
Kevin
.
henry jakala
: [balance of post deleted]
: Hey gang,
i can't wait for her exploding pick-up trucks expose' !!!!!!!
: Matt
Liberals are to Liberty
as
Totalitarian Communist States are to People's Democratic Republics
Eddie Cheng
>
>> "Biao zi" would do. It literally means prostitute, but is always used
>>much more liberally.
>
>But "biao zi" only refers to the sexual moral of the subject, and
>the general character deriving from this sexual moral. I believe
>it's much closer to calling someone a "whore" in English.
That is what you learn from literature. You would learn more
about the language if you lived in the country side of China, especially
during or immediately after the Culture Revolution era. :)
>"Bitch" implies that the person is nasty, mean, and female. Feel free
>to enlighten us with the more fitting terms you know, Eddie. :)
Nah, it could only be done in a whisper, between you and me,
ya know. :)
Eddie
Roleigh Martin
|> In article <3eharc$4t...@rohcs1.uhc.com>, r...@lochness.uhc.com (Roleigh
|> >
[snip]
|>
|> Frankly, I don't know if I consider her a role model just because she is
|> Chinese. I know she is rather prominent in that very interesting public
|> position. I'm essentially disappointed not because she betrayed the trust
|> of Chinese Americans so much as she betrayed so many people's ideas that
|> she was at least a professional newscaster.
Actually I agree, but the OCA writes to the effect that she is.
She has never been a role model for me.
|>
|> As for Chinese chess, I know about the game but I never really got the hang
|> of it. Of course, I can't play European chess for my life either. (Not to
|> mention 3D chess a la Star Trek.)
Consider trying to play against chinese chess software
(mentioned in the usenet group faq):
>Where can I ftp-to to get the Chinese Chess latest FAQ?
>Thanks!
It should be at rtfm.mit.edu in the path:
/pub/usenet-by-group/rec.games.chinese-chess/rec.games.chinese-chess_FAQ
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|> Ronald Reagan, RNC speech, August 17, 1992
|>
|> "Maybe setting my username to 'Fabio' wasn't such a hot idea."
|> Jason Fox, Foxtrot by Bill Amend, 9/28/94
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In a previous article, dhi...@umbc.edu (Daniel) says:
Note Connie Chung not only grew up in the US, but she is born in the
US. People generally assumed that because one is of Asian descent that he/she
might have immigrated to the US and that is not the case.
If you want to argue, I heard her say so on several TV shows and
newspapers.
Mark.O.Wilson
says...
>
>I'll admit that I did not see this interview but I have a feeling
>that Connie used the phrase "just between you and me" the way
>some people use it, not to be taken literly, especially during a
>news interview.
I know of noone who uses the phrase "just between you and me", in
the manner you describe.
It was an eight hour interview, that everybody knew would be condensed
down to 20 minutes or less of actual air time. (less counting
commercials and plugs for other segments).
It is entirely reasonable to assume that information given after such
a request would be in the 7 3/4's hour that ended up on the cutting
room floor, not in the 1/4 hour that ended up being aired.
Ted Krueger
Andrew Hall <ah...@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Ted Krueger writes:
>
> Ted> In article <lhewitt.789554900@access3>,
> Ted> Larry Hewitt <lhe...@access3.digex.net> wrote:
>
> >> This is bogus. Standard disclaimers for interviews state that unless the
> >> interviewee _specifically_ requests that a response be off the record
> >> then _everything_ is on the record. If you know you shoot your mouth off,
> >> then you ask for right of final approval prior to broadcast. All of this
> >> is expained in detail before the interview and a consent form is signed.
>
> Ted> agreed that Connie and CBS were both unethical on this issue.
>
> Ted> Perhaps you know something about journalism that they don't?
>
>Unethical is not always equal to illegal.
Andrew, get back on topic. No one claimed that anything illegal had
been done. We are talking about the general unethical state of
journalism today.
Ted
--
"Researchers say the AIDS virus [sic] may be up to 1000 times more
contagious during the first two months of infection."
- ABC News Radio 7:00 pm Central 1-6-95
Ted Krueger - kru...@neosoft.com
SRead
> >In article <D1wsv...@skopen.dseg.ti.com>, po...@skopen.dseg.ti.com
> >(Robert S. Posey 575-6627 msgid 3EVT) wrote:
> >> I Just heard the interview tape and I don't think that Connie did any thing wrong. My Interpation of the comment in no way seems to indicate that Connie seriously told Ms. Gingrich that her comment would be off the record. Connie said it in a laughing voice, the cameras were rolling and Ms Gingrich knew it. I guess I will have to withhold final judgement till I see video, but I don't think Connie was out of line. I do think that the whole idea that the fact Speaker Gingrich calls Ms Clinton a bitc
h i
> >n private is not surprising. There certainly seems to be no love lost between them and Speaker Gingrich is something of a bomb thrower anyway. The only information I got from the whole deal is that his family is low class enough that he would use the word "bitch" in front of his mother to describe the First Lady. <
> >
> >Well, a lot of other journalists have voiced their opinion saying she did
> >step out of bounds and disagree with your assessment.
>
> Well, a lot of other journalists are spineless butt-kissers. She was on
> camera, her son had been in politics for years and years, and she surely
> should have realized that, on camera, there's no such thing as "off the
> record".
>
> Newt was *still* low-class enough to call the First Lady a bitch in front
> of his mother. (cue the music from "Deliverance").
> --
> [ Chris Woodard, M.A. ]
> [ Anheuser-Busch Chair of Computational Theology ]
> [ University of Ediacara ]
> [ "Open-mindedness is not synonymous with blind gullibility." ]
And besides. Boss Gingrich's mother had to be braindead to think
Connie was just dropping by for a private chat. Such thinking
competes only with the brain power of radishes.
Mark.O.Wilson
>
>In article <ewchoi-0701...@192.0.2.1>,
>Eric W. Choi <ewc...@cris.com> wrote:
>>In article <D20K6...@world.std.com>, pne...@world.std.com (Peter
>>Nelson) wrote:
>>
>>> Emil T. Chuck (e...@po.cwru.edu) wrote:
>>> : In article <3eharc$4t...@rohcs1.uhc.com>, r...@lochness.uhc.com
(Roleigh
>>>
>>>
>>> : Frankly, I don't know if I consider her a role model just because
she is
>>
>>As a Chinese American, I never consider Connie Chung to be a role
model.
>>After all, she is another elitist liberal netowrk reporter. Newt's mom
>
>Look I don't see what all the fuss is about. Even Mary McGrory thought
>that Chung's actions were base and only geared towards ratings. Newt's
>the one who got hung up on it all. He should have just taken a page
>out of Harry Truman's book and said "Go to Hell, she's my mother and
>she can say whatever she wants and if you have a problem with that
>I'll be happy to meet you later to discuss it." END OF STORY.
Newt has made only one "statement" on the issue. It's been the news
media that are playing up the story. They are the ones who keep bringing
it up.
T. Bruce Tober
gwan...@u.washington.edu "just another theatre geek" writes:
>
> In article <3es4gq$n...@starbase.neosoft.com>,
> Ted Krueger <kru...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> wrote:
> >In article <lhewitt.789554900@access3>,
> >Larry Hewitt <lhe...@access3.digex.net> wrote:
> >>This is bogus. Standard disclaimers for interviews state that unless the
> >>interviewee _specifically_ requests that a response be off the record
> >>then _everything_ is on the record. If you know you shoot your mouth off,
> >>then you ask for right of final approval prior to broadcast. All of this
> >>is expained in detail before the interview and a consent form is signed.
> >
> >
>
>
> What Larry said is standard journalism practice for the last 50 years.
Oh really? Funny thing that. I've been in print journalism and pr for
nearly 30 years and never heard that. could it be a disclaimer used
in broadcast "journalism" only?
> --
> Roger Tang, gwan...@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
And what journalism experience do you have as artistic director of
some theatre?
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Octob...@crecon.demon.co.uk |Kindled a flame I still deplore..."
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Andrew Hall
Ted> In article <lhewitt.789554900@access3>,
Ted> Larry Hewitt <lhe...@access3.digex.net> wrote:
>> This is bogus. Standard disclaimers for interviews state that unless the
>> interviewee _specifically_ requests that a response be off the record
>> then _everything_ is on the record. If you know you shoot your mouth off,
>> then you ask for right of final approval prior to broadcast. All of this
>> is expained in detail before the interview and a consent form is signed.
Ted> The I wonder why all four regular media critics on Reliable Sources
Ted> agreed that Connie and CBS were both unethical on this issue.
Ted> Perhaps you know something about journalism that they don't?
Unethical is not always equal to illegal.
ah
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or frustrate our cooperation. We must both take bold measures to
overcome these negative forces.
-- Brent Scowcroft, toasting the Chinese, December
1989 (six months after Tiananmen Square).