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OK... Not bad... It's a pretty good ep. when I'm wrong at predicting the "Whodunit."
I thought it would be the "female" agent in charge of weapons. If she's the actress
I'm thinking she is, I recall her from an episode of "The West Wing" called "The
Warfare of Genghis Kahn." Not sure because the IMDB is incorrect for this ep.
It doesn't list her, but it does list Michelle Pierce (Breena) as having appeared in
the ep. when she didn't.

Speaking of "missing," I wonder why they had to go to a "substitute shrink" for these
psych evals? Why not Dr. Cranston herself? Perhaps she was not available for the
shoot. At any rate, excellent work by Rocky Carroll. And, to be honest, I can see where
he might feel much more "responsible" than anyone else, given that he actually has
a nuclear family that *could* have been harmed. I hope he gets better. We're going
to need him to go up against SecNav Jarvis!

I was a bit disappointed with the "Abby nightmare" scenario, however. I can't imagine
that it could resolve so quickly for her. It usually takes her much longer to resolve such
things. She experiences these types of dream things too seriously. Although connecting
with her biological brother is a very good start, I would have hoped to see her still
struggling just a little (i.e. taking a bit longer to "recover"). Having her bounce back so
quickly seems a bit "disingenuous." It will be interesting to see how much of a role
the new brother plays in future eps.

I'm still a bit unsure about Ducky as well, although the ending does seem to indicate that
he will have less than a full role this year. I'm wondering if he'll find something else to do
with his life and devote much less time to NCIS, if any... This might be the exit strategy
for him.

So not bad... Abbs scenario could have been better. Dir. Vance scenario was excellent.

And, they need to change Cote's makeup again. They took a wrong turn there. I'm not
at all liking her opening credit picture, as well as how she's made up in the ep.


On to next week.
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Regards,

Arnold

[just john]

Better than last week. Not great ... suspected smelly sorry-no-repaint
girl of SOMETHING, right off. (Is she related to Deirdre Lovejoy?
Similar facial structure, tho different eye color.)

The one line I REALLY liked:

Ziva: Could you be LESS specific?

[just john]

.... oh, and I thought it was funny when Abby woke from the intro dream.
The show had to avoid doing the normal TV thing of showing clearly
where she'd been sleeping, else they would have shown she was waking
from an upsetting dream about being in Autopsy, into her safe ... home
... coffin.


--
* Radio Free Entropy: http://just-john.com/jjMusic

[plai...@gmail.com]

I wonder if the new "brother" will be back in upcoming episodes?

[mag3]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT), plai...@gmail.com wrote:

>I wonder if the new "brother" will be back in upcoming episodes?

I should hope so. LJG declared him "family."

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Regards,

Arnold

[tenworld]

I was glad to see kick-ass Ziva was back (even tho it was an obvious double). Makes me think the writers actually listen, and bringing in a new pysch maybe was an acknowledgement of how much we 'love' the JLC character.

I like the perfume as clue/red herring bit.

[tenworld]

On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 6:21:00 PM UTC-7, mag3 wrote:
. At any rate, excellent work by Rocky Carroll. And, to be honest, I can see where
>
> he might feel much more "responsible" than anyone else,

I think they stretched credibility more than usual with this. The people responsible are then ones who didnt think to take his car apart. A known brilliant bomb expert with revenge against NCIS intent, takes the car for a day and then releases it, and they dont inspect it?

[mag3]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:42:16 -0700 (PDT), tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:

>I was glad to see kick-ass Ziva was back (even tho it was an obvious double).

Really, a double? I didn't see that at all. What made you think she was a double?

> Makes me think the writers actually listen, and bringing in a new pysch maybe
>was an acknowledgement of how much we 'love' the JLC character.

Although, I had hoped that Dr. Cranston would have returned, instead. I suspect,
perhaps, she was not available for the shoot, given that they referred to her several
times in the dialogue.

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold

[mag3]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:48:07 -0700 (PDT), tenworld <t...@world.std.com> wrote:

>I think they stretched credibility more than usual with this. The people responsible are
>then ones who didnt think to take his car apart. A known brilliant bomb expert with
>revenge against NCIS intent, takes the car for a day and then releases it, and they dont inspect it?

I take that as a "submimation" to tell a "better story." Aftrer all, we can't allow the truth
to get in the way of a good story, can we? ;-PPPP

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Regards,

Arnold

[just john]

On 10/3/12 12:39 PM, mag3 wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT), plai...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> I wonder if the new "brother" will be back in upcoming episodes?
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>

That's teevee-ese for "potential hostage."

[Kurt Ullman]

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> connecting
> with her biological brother is a very good start, I would have hoped to see
> her still
> struggling just a little (i.e. taking a bit longer to "recover"). Having her
> bounce back so
> quickly seems a bit "disingenuous." It will be interesting to see how much
> of a role
> the new brother plays in future eps.

Also see if the new peace of mind sticks. I can see Abby having a
short time of relief until she has time to start thinking about it
again.

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> I'm not
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I noticed that and the Law & Order-like pic of the group walking
together with solemn looks on their faces.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe

[Jim G.]

mag3 sent the following on Tue, 02 Oct 2012 21:20:58 -0400:

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> I'm thinking she is, I recall her from an episode of "The West Wing" called "The
> Warfare of Genghis Kahn." Not sure because the IMDB is incorrect for this ep.
> It doesn't list her, but it does list Michelle Pierce (Breena) as having appeared in
> the ep. when she didn't.
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> Speaking of "missing," I wonder why they had to go to a "substitute shrink" for these
> psych evals? Why not Dr. Cranston herself? Perhaps she was not available for the
> shoot. At any rate, excellent work by Rocky Carroll.

Yeah, he did good work here, although the script lacked subtlety in a
lot of places.

> And, to be honest, I can see where
> he might feel much more "responsible" than anyone else, given that he actually has
> a nuclear family that *could* have been harmed. I hope he gets better. We're going
> to need him to go up against SecNav Jarvis!
>
> I was a bit disappointed with the "Abby nightmare" scenario, however.

Hated it. But then again, I'm one of the .00001% of viewers who would
love to see Abby resign and be replaced, so I'm biased. :)

> I can't imagine
> that it could resolve so quickly for her. It usually takes her much longer to resolve such
> things.

Again, keep in mind that it's been almost five months for the
characters. Do you still think that that's too quick for her? OTOH, it
does surprise me that Ducky is still being portrayed as being
unqualified to return to work. That must have been one very serious
heart attack. And then there's the fact that the psych evals don't take
place for more than four months, either? Unless I'm missing something,
the writing staff isn't grasping the passage of time here.

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"Get down off the cross. We need the wood." -- Pete Lattimer, WAREHOUSE 13

[bj]

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> unqualified to return to work. That must have been one very serious
> heart attack. And then there's the fact that the psych evals don't take
> place for more than four months, either? Unless I'm missing something,
> the writing staff isn't grasping the passage of time here.

It's TV time, which is whatever they want it to be, like TV geography & a
parking-space right-out-front.
:-)
bj

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <v3kr68931u9rev1vd...@4ax.com>,

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> does surprise me that Ducky is still being portrayed as being
> unqualified to return to work. That must have been one very serious
> heart attack. And then there's the fact that the psych evals don't take
> place for more than four months, either? Unless I'm missing something,
> the writing staff isn't grasping the passage of time here.

Don' know about Ducky, but it isn't late for Psych evaluations. You
have to let things percolate before you can know how they will react
long term. Now, if they had said this first round of (offering anyway)
counselors, then I would agree. The questions were how were you doing to
start with.

[mag3]

On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:22:41 -0500, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

>mag3 sent the following on Tue, 02 Oct 2012 21:20:58 -0400:

>> I was a bit disappointed with the "Abby nightmare" scenario, however.
>
>Hated it. But then again, I'm one of the .00001% of viewers who would
>love to see Abby resign and be replaced, so I'm biased. :)

With whom/what? Just curious... :) That class of character seems to work, as it
was repeated with a similar instance on H50 (with Max, as played by Masi Oka).

>> I can't imagine
>> that it could resolve so quickly for her. It usually takes her much longer to resolve such
>> things.
>
>Again, keep in mind that it's been almost five months for the
>characters. Do you still think that that's too quick for her?

I was referring to her change within the time interval of the episode itself.
It started with her having the nightmares and then at the end, all smiles, etc.
Just seemed too fast, even with the introduction of her brother in a more
"permanent" capacity, apparently.

> OTOH, it does surprise me that Ducky is still being portrayed as being
>unqualified to return to work. That must have been one very serious
>heart attack.

We all have our own clocks. Perhaps it takes longer due to Ducky's age.
6 mos. might not be all that long.

>And then there's the fact that the psych evals don't take
>place for more than four months, either? Unless I'm missing something,
>the writing staff isn't grasping the passage of time here.

Again, that's not terribly long either. And, it could be "follow up" visits. I could
see them doing follow ups for even a year or more, for that kind of trauma.
Consider the CISD for the 9/11 victims/survivors/workers in NYC. Still going on
for some.

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Regards,

Arnold

[HBichon]

bj <addre...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
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Exactly, future eps might occur during the month after the blast.
Writers do tend to "time jump" to tell a tale.
-HB

[Fred Ellis]

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> I'm thinking she is, I recall her from an episode of "The West Wing" called "The
> Warfare of Genghis Kahn." Not sure because the IMDB is incorrect for this ep.
> It doesn't list her, but it does list Michelle Pierce (Breena) as having appeared in
> the ep. when she didn't.
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The actress that played the part of the 'female' agent in charge of
weapons was Emily C. Chang. The character's name was Phyllis Moss.
According to her filmography she never appeared in 'The West Wing'. I
think you are confusing her with Christina Chang, who did appear in the
episode 'The Warfare of Genghis Kahn'.


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[mag3]

On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 21:56:14 -0500, Fred Ellis <fke...@sticx.net> wrote:

>The actress that played the part of the 'female' agent in charge of
>weapons was Emily C. Chang. The character's name was Phyllis Moss.
>According to her filmography she never appeared in 'The West Wing'. I
>think you are confusing her with Christina Chang, who did appear in the
>episode 'The Warfare of Genghis Kahn'.
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>Fred Ellis

Fair enough... Wasn't totally sure. I see the difference now between photos.

And, she (Emily) is now listed on the IMDB episode credits (as Emily Chang).

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Regards,

Arnold

[mag3]

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 21:21:24 GMT, "Ken" <kts...@yoohoo.com> wrote:


>> It's TV time, which is whatever they want it to be, like TV geography & a
>> parking-space right-out-front.
>> :-)
>> bj
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>And that they can go all the way to Norfolk Naval Station and back to the
>Navy Yards all in one day.

Oh, that's nothing! Remember JAG's Cdr. Harmon Rabb was able to do a
RT Falls Church <--> Blacksburg Va and back in less than a day! ;-PPP

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Regards,

Arnold

[Jim G.]

bj sent the following on Thu, 04 Oct 2012 15:04:19 -0500:

Heh. And I totally forgot to mention that they're still talking about
paint colors, too. Again, I seriously think that some writers missed a
memo about the passage of time here. But that doesn't explain why the
*head* writer or the showrunner didn't catch it all...

[Jim G.]

Kurt Ullman sent the following on Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:06:49 -0400:

Eh, maybe for the desk jockeys, but not for the team that's used to
being shot at and whatnot. And in addition to Ducky and the evals, let's
not leave out the fact that they're still talking about paint colors.

[Jim G.]

mag3 sent the following on Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:30:44 -0400:

> On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:22:41 -0500, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >mag3 sent the following on Tue, 02 Oct 2012 21:20:58 -0400:
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> >
> >Hated it. But then again, I'm one of the .00001% of viewers who would
> >love to see Abby resign and be replaced, so I'm biased. :)
>
> With whom/what? Just curious... :)

Remember back in the day when they went out in the boonies on some case
and the local version of McAbby helped to solve the case by pointing out
that a second bullet forced the first bullet out of a gun? Cute little
redhead, IIRC. Even back then I was hoping that something would happen,
and I thought that she'd be a good (and very likable) option.

> That class of character seems to work,

And/or that's the stereotype that lazy/unoriginal writers run with...

> as it
> was repeated with a similar instance on H50 (with Max, as played by Masi Oka).
>
> >> I can't imagine
> >> that it could resolve so quickly for her. It usually takes her much longer to resolve such
> >> things.
> >
> >Again, keep in mind that it's been almost five months for the
> >characters. Do you still think that that's too quick for her?
>
> I was referring to her change within the time interval of the episode itself.

Ah. Got it.

> It started with her having the nightmares and then at the end, all smiles, etc.
> Just seemed too fast, even with the introduction of her brother in a more
> "permanent" capacity, apparently.

And when you consider that she's gone five months with little progress
to this overnight change, it makes it even *more* unbelievable, IMO.

> > OTOH, it does surprise me that Ducky is still being portrayed as being
> >unqualified to return to work. That must have been one very serious
> >heart attack.
>
> We all have our own clocks. Perhaps it takes longer due to Ducky's age.
> 6 mos. might not be all that long.
>
> >And then there's the fact that the psych evals don't take
> >place for more than four months, either? Unless I'm missing something,
> >the writing staff isn't grasping the passage of time here.
>
> Again, that's not terribly long either. And, it could be "follow up" visits. I could
> see them doing follow ups for even a year or more, for that kind of trauma.
> Consider the CISD for the 9/11 victims/survivors/workers in NYC. Still going on
> for some.

How about painting the office areas? Would that take five months? :)

[mag3]

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:42:37 -0500, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

>> Again, that's not terribly long either. And, it could be "follow up" visits. I could
>> see them doing follow ups for even a year or more, for that kind of trauma.
>> Consider the CISD for the 9/11 victims/survivors/workers in NYC. Still going on
>> for some.
>
>How about painting the office areas? Would that take five months? :)

With a "Fed. govt. sized" bureaucracy, absolutely! Just as example, I recently
registered a "service mark" for my business. My state took maybe a week or two
to register (so I could use the "�" mark for it (well, in my case, "sm"). To get the
same mark registered federally via the USPTO (i.e. "�"), took 9 months, since it had
to be reviewed by an examining atty, published on the "official gazette" for 30 days, and
all the gearworkings by the USPTO to make things happen). I eventually got it, but it
just takes a loooooooonnngg time.

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Regards,

Arnold

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <oq76785vu9n3arst5...@4ax.com>,

Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Heh. And I totally forgot to mention that they're still talking about
> paint colors, too. Again, I seriously think that some writers missed a
> memo about the passage of time here. But that doesn't explain why the
> *head* writer or the showrunner didn't catch it all...

Having dealt with remodeling in a government hospital, the timeline
seems quick to me. Took us over a year to get the final okay from
everyone we needed to.

[tenworld]

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:45:37 AM UTC-7, Ken wrote:

> I have to wonder if the guy who was doing the psych evals isn't related to
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I wonder if they are setting up a conflict between JLC and him? Or maybe a new boyfriend for abby? or both: he helps Abby figure out JLC is evil and save Gibbs. Or you may be right and he is another step son-in-law.

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <Q%Ucs.14235$Le7....@fed01.iad>, "Ken" <kts...@yoohoo.com>
wrote:

> On 8-Oct-2012, Jim G. <jimg...@geemail.com.invalid> wrote:
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> > > In article <v3kr68931u9rev1vd...@4ax.com>,
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> make any sense. It is something that could have been referred to obliquely
> and then allowed to drop.

That was the guy who was one of the lab guys on Crossing Jordan. That
sorta felt to me like they thought the one they did last year was such a
smash, they'd try it again.