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danny burstein
Aug 28, 2013, 6:18:35 PM8/28/13
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warning: spoilers ahoy. But it's a decade old, so I don't
think that should be a problem.
Basic theme: a sailor starts siezing, throwing up, and
dying aboard a mysterious naval ship, the Chimera, in
the middle of nowhere, Atlantic.
Gibbs and his folk fly our there. Discover that the
ship is (seemingly) abandoned. Locate what looks like
a secret biochem warfare lab on it.
It turns out that... it was really pulling a Project Jennifer
and retrieving a lost Russkie nuke from the bottom of
the ocean.
Anyway, a few loose ends which I don't recall were ever addressed
in this or any later episodes:
a: the crew _and lifeboats_ were missing, leading Gibbs to
figure they had abandoned ship. ANy idea if they were ever found?
b: A "pirate ship", which was actually a deniable Russkie special
forces crew, comes aboard to re-grab the nuke. Gibbs and company
sneak off and steal their ship.
As Gibbs sail away they get ready to radio in about what they've
done and that they're on a Russkie ship.
Before they reach out, missiles appear and attack the original ship,
utterly destroying it. One of our folk asks "how did they (the
people doing the firing) know we had gotten off?", to which Gibbs
says "They didn't".
I just don't see how Gibbs would let an attempted murder of him
and his crew pass so casually. But I don't recall any followup.
Anyone remember different? Thanks.
--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dan...@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
think that should be a problem.
Basic theme: a sailor starts siezing, throwing up, and
dying aboard a mysterious naval ship, the Chimera, in
the middle of nowhere, Atlantic.
Gibbs and his folk fly our there. Discover that the
ship is (seemingly) abandoned. Locate what looks like
a secret biochem warfare lab on it.
It turns out that... it was really pulling a Project Jennifer
and retrieving a lost Russkie nuke from the bottom of
the ocean.
Anyway, a few loose ends which I don't recall were ever addressed
in this or any later episodes:
a: the crew _and lifeboats_ were missing, leading Gibbs to
figure they had abandoned ship. ANy idea if they were ever found?
b: A "pirate ship", which was actually a deniable Russkie special
forces crew, comes aboard to re-grab the nuke. Gibbs and company
sneak off and steal their ship.
As Gibbs sail away they get ready to radio in about what they've
done and that they're on a Russkie ship.
Before they reach out, missiles appear and attack the original ship,
utterly destroying it. One of our folk asks "how did they (the
people doing the firing) know we had gotten off?", to which Gibbs
says "They didn't".
I just don't see how Gibbs would let an attempted murder of him
and his crew pass so casually. But I don't recall any followup.
Anyone remember different? Thanks.
--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dan...@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
mag3
Aug 28, 2013, 7:02:39 PM8/28/13
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:18:35 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>Anyway, a few loose ends which I don't recall were ever addressed
>in this or any later episodes:
>
>a: the crew _and lifeboats_ were missing, leading Gibbs to
>figure they had abandoned ship. ANy idea if they were ever found?
No. There was no resolution as to what happened to the crew. I believe the
>Anyway, a few loose ends which I don't recall were ever addressed
>in this or any later episodes:
>
>a: the crew _and lifeboats_ were missing, leading Gibbs to
>figure they had abandoned ship. ANy idea if they were ever found?
one or two people remaining on board advised Gibbs that the crew did abandon
ship to avoid being infected with the (later fictitious) bug.
>b: A "pirate ship", which was actually a deniable Russkie special
>forces crew, comes aboard to re-grab the nuke. Gibbs and company
>sneak off and steal their ship.
vessel, but I don't recall it being seen in daylight (maybe in an infrared thermal image).
The Russians were acting as "privateers," I believe... Govt. sponsored pirates.
>As Gibbs sail away they get ready to radio in about what they've
>done and that they're on a Russkie ship.
talking to Gibbs about what happened and, in the process, revealing the
outcome of the incident to the audience. McGee also explained about how
he had altered the US Navy ship's navigational controls such that all it would do
is sail in a circular direction.
>Before they reach out, missiles appear and attack the original ship,
>utterly destroying it. One of our folk asks "how did they (the
>people doing the firing) know we had gotten off?", to which Gibbs
>says "They didn't".
think they did." Meaning that either CIA, DIA, or Naval Intelligence (whichever the
commander played by Stephen Culp was working for) decided to "sanitize" the op
without regard to the NCIS crew's status. Some people in the intelligence community
value their work and secrets way above any one or more of the human lives involved.
Witness the willingness of those agencies to "disavow" any knowledge of a particular
undercover operative should that operative be busted or whacked behind enemy lines.
>I just don't see how Gibbs would let an attempted murder of him
>and his crew pass so casually. But I don't recall any followup.
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
danny burstein
Aug 28, 2013, 8:19:30 PM8/28/13
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In <9ous199j7r3boaitj...@4ax.com> mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>b: A "pirate ship", which was actually a deniable Russkie special
>>forces crew, comes aboard to re-grab the nuke. Gibbs and company
>>sneak off and steal their ship.
>It was more like a "zodiac" type of craft. Perhaps, it was launched from a larger
>vessel, but I don't recall it being seen in daylight (maybe in an infrared thermal image).
>The Russians were acting as "privateers," I believe... Govt. sponsored pirates.
Hence, as they say, "plausable deniability..."
>>b: A "pirate ship", which was actually a deniable Russkie special
>>forces crew, comes aboard to re-grab the nuke. Gibbs and company
>>sneak off and steal their ship.
>It was more like a "zodiac" type of craft. Perhaps, it was launched from a larger
>vessel, but I don't recall it being seen in daylight (maybe in an infrared thermal image).
>The Russians were acting as "privateers," I believe... Govt. sponsored pirates.
>>As Gibbs sail away they get ready to radio in about what they've
>>done and that they're on a Russkie ship.
>I don't recall that they were going to "radio in." I just recall McGee
>talking to Gibbs about what happened and, in the process, revealing the
>outcome of the incident to the audience. McGee also explained about how
>he had altered the US Navy ship's navigational controls such that all it would do
>is sail in a circular direction.
and tell them that we're on the Russian black ship and the
Russians are on theirs".
- cut to... missiles hitting the Chimera.
>>Before they reach out, missiles appear and attack the original ship,
>>utterly destroying it. One of our folk asks "how did they (the
>>people doing the firing) know we had gotten off?", to which Gibbs
>>says "They didn't".
And then Ziva: "how did the navy know we were off the ship"?
>It was McGee who asked, "How did they know..." To which Gibbs replies, "I don't
>think they did." Meaning that either CIA, DIA, or Naval Intelligence (whichever the
>commander played by Stephen Culp was working for) decided to "sanitize" the op
>without regard to the NCIS crew's status.
>>I just don't see how Gibbs would let an attempted murder of him
>>and his crew pass so casually. But I don't recall any followup.
>There wasn't any. Most likely because it didn't add value to the (already told) story. ;-)
Would have been a great long term story arc of Gibbs getting
>>and his crew pass so casually. But I don't recall any followup.
>There wasn't any. Most likely because it didn't add value to the (already told) story. ;-)
back at the Real Politik folk who sentenced his team to death...
mag3
Aug 28, 2013, 9:17:41 PM8/28/13
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 00:19:30 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>I don't recall that they were going to "radio in." I just recall McGee
>>talking to Gibbs about what happened and, in the process, revealing the
>>outcome of the incident to the audience. McGee also explained about how
>>he had altered the US Navy ship's navigational controls such that all it would do
>>is sail in a circular direction.
>
>I just re-watched it. Ducky says "perhaps we should call the navy
>and tell them that we're on the Russian black ship and the
>Russians are on theirs".
>
>- cut to... missiles hitting the Chimera.
Fair enough. I haven't watched it in a while, so I responded from memory.
>>I don't recall that they were going to "radio in." I just recall McGee
>>talking to Gibbs about what happened and, in the process, revealing the
>>outcome of the incident to the audience. McGee also explained about how
>>he had altered the US Navy ship's navigational controls such that all it would do
>>is sail in a circular direction.
>
>I just re-watched it. Ducky says "perhaps we should call the navy
>and tell them that we're on the Russian black ship and the
>Russians are on theirs".
>
>- cut to... missiles hitting the Chimera.
>>>Before they reach out, missiles appear and attack the original ship,
>>>utterly destroying it. One of our folk asks "how did they (the
>>>people doing the firing) know we had gotten off?", to which Gibbs
>>>says "They didn't".
>
>Mcgee: "I guess the navy didn't want to know the black ship eer existed."
>
>And then Ziva: "how did the navy know we were off the ship"?
>
>>It was McGee who asked, "How did they know..."
>>To which Gibbs replies, "I don't think they did."
>>Meaning that either CIA, DIA, or Naval Intelligence (whichever the
>>commander played by Stephen Culp was working for) decided to "sanitize" the op
>>without regard to the NCIS crew's status.
>
>>>I just don't see how Gibbs would let an attempted murder of him
>>>and his crew pass so casually. But I don't recall any followup.
>
>>There wasn't any. Most likely because it didn't add value to the (already told) story. ;-)
>
>Would have been a great long term story arc of Gibbs getting
>back at the Real Politik folk who sentenced his team to death...
And I'm sure the OCA wouldn't tell them! I think the commander who was involved was,
simply, the "mouthpiece" for the OCA, not the OCA itself.
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
HBichon
Aug 28, 2013, 11:05:44 PM8/28/13
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If a part of any intelligence organization, the first and foremost thing
you learn is that the intelligence gathered is important and non-
expendable, you, on the other hand, are expendable at any point in time.
No exceptions are made to this as national security (in their minds,
anyway) is at stake.
-HB
mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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you learn is that the intelligence gathered is important and non-
expendable, you, on the other hand, are expendable at any point in time.
No exceptions are made to this as national security (in their minds,
anyway) is at stake.
-HB
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danny burstein
Aug 29, 2013, 12:00:29 AM8/29/13
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In <XnsA22AE0C5...@69.16.179.28> HBichon <n...@n.net> writes:
>If a part of any intelligence organization, the first and foremost thing
>you learn is that the intelligence gathered is important and non-
>expendable, you, on the other hand, are expendable at any point in time.
>No exceptions are made to this as national security (in their minds,
>anyway) is at stake.
Yabbut, a constant theme, going back to at least the Kojak tv
>If a part of any intelligence organization, the first and foremost thing
>you learn is that the intelligence gathered is important and non-
>expendable, you, on the other hand, are expendable at any point in time.
>No exceptions are made to this as national security (in their minds,
>anyway) is at stake.
series, is/was the local cop saying bullshit to the claims that
some National Security wonk was pulling...
So yeah, if the writers had been any good, they could have picked
up on this theme and had Gibbs get back at the folk who came
within inches of killing our NCIS crew.
Just remember that old Klingon saying (which certainly could be
one of Gibbs' rules) "revenge is a dish best served cold."
mag3
Aug 29, 2013, 6:34:47 AM8/29/13
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:00:29 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <XnsA22AE0C5...@69.16.179.28> HBichon <n...@n.net> writes:
>
>>If a part of any intelligence organization, the first and foremost thing
>>you learn is that the intelligence gathered is important and non-
>>expendable, you, on the other hand, are expendable at any point in time.
>>No exceptions are made to this as national security (in their minds,
>>anyway) is at stake.
>
>Yabbut, a constant theme, going back to at least the Kojak tv
>series, is/was the local cop saying bullshit to the claims that
>some National Security wonk was pulling...
But, even before Kojak, there was "Mission Impossible (1966-1973).
>In <XnsA22AE0C5...@69.16.179.28> HBichon <n...@n.net> writes:
>
>>If a part of any intelligence organization, the first and foremost thing
>>you learn is that the intelligence gathered is important and non-
>>expendable, you, on the other hand, are expendable at any point in time.
>>No exceptions are made to this as national security (in their minds,
>>anyway) is at stake.
>
>Yabbut, a constant theme, going back to at least the Kojak tv
>series, is/was the local cop saying bullshit to the claims that
>some National Security wonk was pulling...
"As always, should you or any of your I.M. Force be caught or killed,
the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.
This <device> will self destruct in <time> seconds.... Good Luck Jim!"
>So yeah, if the writers had been any good, they could have picked
>up on this theme and had Gibbs get back at the folk who came
>within inches of killing our NCIS crew.
>
>Just remember that old Klingon saying (which certainly could be
>one of Gibbs' rules) "revenge is a dish best served cold."
They only know their "spokesperson" the Navy commander, played by
Steven Culp (the one trying to hit on Dir. Shepard). And I'm not convinced
one bit that he's the OCA. He was just their "Mr. Phelps."
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
just john
Aug 29, 2013, 12:32:49 PM8/29/13
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On 8/28/13 6:18 PM, danny burstein wrote:
> I just don't see how Gibbs would let an attempted murder of him
> and his crew pass so casually. But I don't recall any followup.
>
Whaddya think the ONI "Watcher Fleet" is watching out FOR?
> I just don't see how Gibbs would let an attempted murder of him
> and his crew pass so casually. But I don't recall any followup.
>
--
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HBichon
Aug 29, 2013, 3:37:03 PM8/29/13
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mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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I think @just john has it.
We may have seen the "payback" part a few seasons later with the Watcher
Fleet episodes. Chimera would definitely fall into their area of
"expertise".
-HB
news:758u19pj6dtcu2no6...@4ax.com:
We may have seen the "payback" part a few seasons later with the Watcher
Fleet episodes. Chimera would definitely fall into their area of
"expertise".
-HB
mag3
Aug 29, 2013, 11:45:59 PM8/29/13
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:37:03 GMT, HBichon <n...@n.net> wrote:
>mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:758u19pj6dtcu2no6...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:00:29 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
>mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:758u19pj6dtcu2no6...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:00:29 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
>>>So yeah, if the writers had been any good, they could have picked
>>>up on this theme and had Gibbs get back at the folk who came
>>>within inches of killing our NCIS crew.
>>>
>>>Just remember that old Klingon saying (which certainly could be
>>>one of Gibbs' rules) "revenge is a dish best served cold."
BTW, IIRC, it was Kahn (Ricardo Montalban) who said this in Star Trek II ROK.
>>>up on this theme and had Gibbs get back at the folk who came
>>>within inches of killing our NCIS crew.
>>>
>>>Just remember that old Klingon saying (which certainly could be
>>>one of Gibbs' rules) "revenge is a dish best served cold."
Maybe Klingons also said it, but I recall it more from Kahn.
>> But again, served upon whom? They don't even know TPTB behind this!
>> They only know their "spokesperson" the Navy commander, played by
>> Steven Culp (the one trying to hit on Dir. Shepard). And I'm not
>> convinced one bit that he's the OCA. He was just their "Mr. Phelps."
>I think @just john has it.
>We may have seen the "payback" part a few seasons later with the Watcher
>Fleet episodes. Chimera would definitely fall into their area of "expertise".
The Chimera ep. happened under Jenny's watch (season 5). Watcher fleet was
>We may have seen the "payback" part a few seasons later with the Watcher
>Fleet episodes. Chimera would definitely fall into their area of "expertise".
under Leon's in season 9. I honestly think Gibbs isn't the type to wait that long to
get revenge. I believe the two are unrelated. Remember, that Chimera was the
"Halloween" episode for season 5 (i.e. where "spooky stuff" happens). I don't think
it was really part of the story arc. I feel it was totally self-contained. No revenge to
achieve.
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
just john
Aug 30, 2013, 12:30:00 AM8/30/13
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On 8/29/13 11:45 PM, mag3 wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:37:03 GMT, HBichon <n...@n.net> wrote:
>
>> mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:758u19pj6dtcu2no6...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:00:29 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
>
>>>> So yeah, if the writers had been any good, they could have picked
>>>> up on this theme and had Gibbs get back at the folk who came
>>>> within inches of killing our NCIS crew.
>>>>
>>>> Just remember that old Klingon saying (which certainly could be
>>>> one of Gibbs' rules) "revenge is a dish best served cold."
>
> BTW, IIRC, it was Kahn (Ricardo Montalban) who said this in Star Trek II ROK.
> Maybe Klingons also said it, but I recall it more from Kahn.
>
>>> But again, served upon whom? They don't even know TPTB behind this!
>>> They only know their "spokesperson" the Navy commander, played by
>>> Steven Culp (the one trying to hit on Dir. Shepard). And I'm not
>>> convinced one bit that he's the OCA. He was just their "Mr. Phelps."
>
>> I think @just john has it.
>> We may have seen the "payback" part a few seasons later with the Watcher
>> Fleet episodes. Chimera would definitely fall into their area of "expertise".
>
> The Chimera ep. happened under Jenny's watch (season 5). Watcher fleet was
> under Leon's in season 9. I honestly think Gibbs isn't the type to wait that long to
> get revenge.
No no no, what I meant was that the Navy realized they'd earned revenge
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:37:03 GMT, HBichon <n...@n.net> wrote:
>
>> mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:758u19pj6dtcu2no6...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:00:29 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
>
>>>> So yeah, if the writers had been any good, they could have picked
>>>> up on this theme and had Gibbs get back at the folk who came
>>>> within inches of killing our NCIS crew.
>>>>
>>>> Just remember that old Klingon saying (which certainly could be
>>>> one of Gibbs' rules) "revenge is a dish best served cold."
>
> BTW, IIRC, it was Kahn (Ricardo Montalban) who said this in Star Trek II ROK.
> Maybe Klingons also said it, but I recall it more from Kahn.
>
>>> But again, served upon whom? They don't even know TPTB behind this!
>>> They only know their "spokesperson" the Navy commander, played by
>>> Steven Culp (the one trying to hit on Dir. Shepard). And I'm not
>>> convinced one bit that he's the OCA. He was just their "Mr. Phelps."
>
>> I think @just john has it.
>> We may have seen the "payback" part a few seasons later with the Watcher
>> Fleet episodes. Chimera would definitely fall into their area of "expertise".
>
> The Chimera ep. happened under Jenny's watch (season 5). Watcher fleet was
> under Leon's in season 9. I honestly think Gibbs isn't the type to wait that long to
> get revenge.
from Gibbs, and so the Watcher Fleet was created. They'd watched the
show, so they knew what a force he could be.
Gibbs, on the other hand, realized, "Of course they were gonna blow it
up, WHETHER OR NOT we'd gotten clear." And he let it go.
tenworld
Aug 30, 2013, 7:41:42 AM8/30/13
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On Friday, August 30, 2013 12:30:00 AM UTC-4, just john wrote:
>
> No no no, what I meant was that the Navy realized they'd earned revenge
> from Gibbs, and so the Watcher Fleet was created.
the watcher fleet goes further back (when Gibbs was a marine sniper). It had the flavor to me of the Bourne Identity secret group within CIA,whose purpose changed over time.
>
> No no no, what I meant was that the Navy realized they'd earned revenge
> from Gibbs, and so the Watcher Fleet was created.
mag3
Aug 30, 2013, 7:57:38 AM8/30/13
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"Decker's Insurance Policy" portfolio Box. I wonder how much of that it left, now... Gibbs was
last seen destroying most of the contents of it.
So, yeah, the Watcher Fleet even pre-dates the show itself. It can't be related to the Chimera.
I do like your "Bourne Identity" group scenario.
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
pcor...@gmail.com
Aug 30, 2013, 10:31:28 AM8/30/13
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Somewhere inside, you do all realize that this is just a TV SHOW, right? The only thing "real" about it is the name of the organization - NCIS. Some of the scripts especially in the early years were very well written and even the bad ones are usually well acted but most of the plots that don't deal with actually solving a crime which involves Naval or Marine personnel are ridiculous. Don't even get me started on the long term "arcs" which are mostly unwatchable even when they are well acted.
Paul
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
Aug 31, 2013, 11:16:08 PM8/31/13
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In article <kvlsvr$8u4$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
> warning: spoilers ahoy. But it's a decade old, so I don't
> think that should be a problem.
>
> Basic theme: a sailor starts siezing, throwing up, and
> dying aboard a mysterious naval ship, the Chimera, in
> the middle of nowhere, Atlantic.
>
> Gibbs and his folk fly our there. Discover that the
> ship is (seemingly) abandoned. Locate what looks like
> a secret biochem warfare lab on it.
>
> It turns out that... it was really pulling a Project Jennifer
> and retrieving a lost Russkie nuke from the bottom of
> the ocean.
>
> Anyway, a few loose ends which I don't recall were ever addressed
> in this or any later episodes:
>
> a: the crew _and lifeboats_ were missing, leading Gibbs to
> figure they had abandoned ship. ANy idea if they were ever found?
>
> b: A "pirate ship", which was actually a deniable Russkie special
> forces crew, comes aboard to re-grab the nuke. Gibbs and company
> sneak off and steal their ship.
>
> As Gibbs sail away they get ready to radio in about what they've
> done and that they're on a Russkie ship.
is it possible the missles weren't American?
> warning: spoilers ahoy. But it's a decade old, so I don't
> think that should be a problem.
>
> Basic theme: a sailor starts siezing, throwing up, and
> dying aboard a mysterious naval ship, the Chimera, in
> the middle of nowhere, Atlantic.
>
> Gibbs and his folk fly our there. Discover that the
> ship is (seemingly) abandoned. Locate what looks like
> a secret biochem warfare lab on it.
>
> It turns out that... it was really pulling a Project Jennifer
> and retrieving a lost Russkie nuke from the bottom of
> the ocean.
>
> Anyway, a few loose ends which I don't recall were ever addressed
> in this or any later episodes:
>
> a: the crew _and lifeboats_ were missing, leading Gibbs to
> figure they had abandoned ship. ANy idea if they were ever found?
>
> b: A "pirate ship", which was actually a deniable Russkie special
> forces crew, comes aboard to re-grab the nuke. Gibbs and company
> sneak off and steal their ship.
>
> As Gibbs sail away they get ready to radio in about what they've
> done and that they're on a Russkie ship.
mag3
Sep 1, 2013, 8:10:06 AM9/1/13
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:16:08 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> As Gibbs sail away they get ready to radio in about what they've
>> done and that they're on a Russkie ship.
>
>is it possible the missles weren't American?
Possible, but unlikely. Who else besides the Americans and Russians knew the
>>
>> As Gibbs sail away they get ready to radio in about what they've
>> done and that they're on a Russkie ship.
>
>is it possible the missles weren't American?
ship was even there? "Sanatizing" an op like that sounds a lot more like
something the Americans would do to protect their secrets.
____________________________________________
Regards,
Arnold
Kurt Ullman
Sep 1, 2013, 9:39:06 AM9/1/13
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In article <8gb629tvfhf4o3u67...@4ax.com>,
Although the Russians might have thought their guys were off the
ship (Gibbs, et al. left on the Russian's zodiac) and decided to do away
with any left over evidence.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe
ship (Gibbs, et al. left on the Russian's zodiac) and decided to do away
with any left over evidence.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe
danny burstein
Sep 1, 2013, 10:11:16 AM9/1/13
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In <g72dnUcbTOnn3r7P...@earthlink.com> Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> writes:
> Although the Russians might have thought their guys were off the
>ship (Gibbs, et al. left on the Russian's zodiac) and decided to do away
>with any left over evidence.
Gibbs, et al, certainly thought they were American. And the US
> Although the Russians might have thought their guys were off the
>ship (Gibbs, et al. left on the Russian's zodiac) and decided to do away
>with any left over evidence.
had air coverage in that area.
mag3
Sep 1, 2013, 11:41:16 AM9/1/13
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 14:11:16 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <g72dnUcbTOnn3r7P...@earthlink.com> Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> writes:
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>> Although the Russians might have thought their guys were off the
>>ship (Gibbs, et al. left on the Russian's zodiac) and decided to do away
>>with any left over evidence.
>
>Gibbs, et al, certainly thought they were American. And the US
>had air coverage in that area.
And that's the other thing... Did anyone else, other than the US & Russians have that
>In <g72dnUcbTOnn3r7P...@earthlink.com> Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Although the Russians might have thought their guys were off the
>>ship (Gibbs, et al. left on the Russian's zodiac) and decided to do away
>>with any left over evidence.
>
>Gibbs, et al, certainly thought they were American. And the US
>had air coverage in that area.
kind of missile technology ("Precision Guided" cruise missiles)? Do the Russians have
them, for that matter (I honestly don't know...)?
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Regards,
Arnold
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
Sep 1, 2013, 3:24:08 PM9/1/13
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were on zodiac
or
the russians get confirmation that the "pirates" have control of the
boat and fearing that the boat could be re-hijacked, the pirates could
go rogue or the best way to keep a secret is to kill everyone
Asher_N
Sep 1, 2013, 5:11:29 PM9/1/13
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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:atlas-bugged-B090...@free.teranews.com:
Or
The writers thought it would make a good ending.
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AsherN
news:atlas-bugged-B090...@free.teranews.com:
The writers thought it would make a good ending.
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AsherN
mag3
Sep 1, 2013, 5:30:44 PM9/1/13
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On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 12:24:08 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:16:08 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> mag3 <zmpmag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:16:08 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
>> >is it possible the missles weren't American?
>>
>> Possible, but unlikely. Who else besides the Americans and Russians knew the
>> ship was even there? "Sanatizing" an op like that sounds a lot more like
>> something the Americans would do to protect their secrets.
>
>>
>> Possible, but unlikely. Who else besides the Americans and Russians knew the
>> ship was even there? "Sanatizing" an op like that sounds a lot more like
>> something the Americans would do to protect their secrets.
>
>the russians either take control of the ship and thought the "pirates" were on zodiac
>
>or
>
>the russians get confirmation that the "pirates" have control of the
>boat and fearing that the boat could be re-hijacked, the pirates could
>go rogue or the best way to keep a secret is to kill everyone
Again, quite possible. But, given the context of the whole episode, I'm more
>
>or
>
>the russians get confirmation that the "pirates" have control of the
>boat and fearing that the boat could be re-hijacked, the pirates could
>go rogue or the best way to keep a secret is to kill everyone
inclined to believe it was the Americans.
1) It was the US Navy commander (Steven Culp) that kept attempting to
enforce/protect the classified nature of the ship and the op, even to
the point of doing so with the director of NCIS. I think they also stood
to have more "at risk" in re: the secret nature of the op. It would follow,
then, that they'd have more of an incentive to "sanitize" than the Russians.
Why let the world know what targets you are/were pursuing? Like Don Vito
said, "Never tell anyone outside the family what you're thinking..." ;-) Also,
If the Russians had more incentive to sanitize, I'd expect the writers to give
the privateer commander more dialouge to say, in that respect.
2) As stated elsewhere, do the Russians have that kinds of "precision guided"
missile technology at their disposal? I wasn't able to see what type of missiles
they were (I assume some kind of cruise missile)...
3) And, if the Russians have such missile technology, would they be willing to spend
the $1.5M for a Cruise Missile to sanitize a target of that risk level? I can see the
US Govt. being willing to do so, but could the Russians actually afford it?
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Regards,
Arnold
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
Sep 2, 2013, 6:44:17 PM9/2/13
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In article <a3b72954941r3o1pc...@4ax.com>,
The Russians would do anything to keep the Americans from acquiring
whatever it was they thought they were acquiring
whatever it was they thought they were acquiring
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