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CraigNovo

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Feb 6, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/6/96
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I don't know if this was a spinoff program or not buit I don't think there
were ever any references on Trapper John to either M*A*S*H or the war in
Korea.

Jonathan D. Barton

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In <Pine.LNX.3.91.96020...@filmgate.h4h.com> Wayne Poe
<lo...@h4h.com> writes:
>
>Anyone know whether or not the show "Trapper John, M.D." was supposed
to
>be a continuation of Wayne Roger's character in MASH? If so, was there

>ever any MASH references on that show? Did "Trapper" ever discuss why
he
>never sent Hawkeye a letter or anything?

"Trapper John, M.D." was supposed to be Trapper after M*A*S*H.
It's been a long time since I've seen that show, but I seem to remember
that it had some vague references to Korea and the war, but I don't
think that it ever referred to specific characters or plots from
M*A*S*H.
Jon

Stu Katz

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In the pilot episode of "Trapper John M.D.", it opens with Pernell Roberts,
asleep on the couch in office, dreaming about the Korean War. He wakes up
yelling "Hawkeye.. Hawkeye".
Also, when the Gregory Harrison charactar is introduced, Trapper makes
refrence to the fact that "this was me 20 years ago. GOd help us all".
As far as I can remember, these are the only re: to Korea.


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<4f6ph2$2...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> crai...@aol.com (CraigNovo) writes:>From:
crai...@aol.com (CraigNovo)>Subject: Re: Trapper John question....
>Date: 6 Feb 1996 00:38:42 -0500

>I don't know if this was a spinoff program or not buit I don't think there
>were ever any references on Trapper John to either M*A*S*H or the war in
>Korea.

I

xm...@brightok.net

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Feb 6, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/6/96
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Great question. Timing meant that it had to relate to MASH's Trapper.
Never watched it much, though, so don't know about MASH references or
Hawkeye references.

Seemed that it wanted more than anything to team up a Korean War doc and
a Vietnam War doc....trying to meld the generations....

I think we should pursue it and maybe come up with some trivia questions.

And since Pernell Roberts is the only surviving member of the original
Bonanza cast, we'd better hurry if we want his input.


Aimee Pellet

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On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Stu Katz wrote:

> In the pilot episode of "Trapper John M.D.", it opens with Pernell Roberts,
> asleep on the couch in office, dreaming about the Korean War. He wakes up
> yelling "Hawkeye.. Hawkeye".
> Also, when the Gregory Harrison charactar is introduced, Trapper makes
> refrence to the fact that "this was me 20 years ago. GOd help us all".
> As far as I can remember, these are the only re: to Korea.

I am really curious as to how you remember these things so well.
Are there re-runs of the show on anywhere or do you just have a really
good memory? If there are re-runs I'd like to know what station you see
them on.
Aimee

Aimee Pellet

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Feb 6, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/6/96
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On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Stu Katz wrote:

> Being a devotee of the M*A*S*H since the pilot episode, and still having
> all the original episodes on audio tape (Yes, before VCR's I recorded the
> audio ), I was interested in how the transition to the present would be
> handled in Trapper John M.D., if at all.
> I was impressed how subtley the "deam-sequence" was handeled.
> There is no need to get into how they tried to mirror the charactars from
> M*A*S*H (that's for another newsgroup)
> BTW, I do have a good memory.
>
> Stu......

Let me just start by saying that it take a lot to impress me.
However, you have done it!!! Wow, the original shows on audio!!! (The
only audio I ever remember taping was the who shot JR episode of Dallas,
so we could try to figure out who did it). May I say now..."You are the
TRUE M*A*S*H fan! And if you have read any of my previous messages on
the subject you should know how much that means.
Aimee

Stu Katz

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In article <Pine.Sola.3.91.96020...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> Aimee Pellet <pel...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>From: Aimee Pellet <pel...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>

>Subject: Re: Trapper John question....
>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:08:15 -0600

>On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Stu Katz wrote:

Aimee Pellet

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On 7 Feb 1996, DERKOMAI wrote:

> Hey Amiee, I recorded the M*A*S*H episodes on audio too and I even had a
> VCR at the time. I have bolth video and audio of all the episodes just
> like that person.
>
>
> Dorian
>
Umm, parson me, but it seems slightly different to have taped the
shows on audio tapes back in the '70's. The point of this was that it
showed how long he had been a fan, not that he actually taped them. I
think it is only a little strange that someone would audio tape the show
now when VCR's are available, which I know must be the case since you
have only been watching MASH for 7 months now. I don't think it is that
cool to tape the shows on audio to write down everything that is said.
That is what you do, isn't it?
A-i-m-e-e

scott williams

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Feb 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/7/96
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I recall (perhaps the first episode of Trapper John) that he was
dreaming about the War. He kept making reference about "Hawkeye" in
his sleep...

DERKOMAI

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Gerald D. Wright

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Wayne Poe (lo...@h4h.com) wrote:
: Anyone know whether or not the show "Trapper John, M.D." was supposed to
: be a continuation of Wayne Roger's character in MASH? If so, was there
: ever any MASH references on that show? Did "Trapper" ever discuss why he
: never sent Hawkeye a letter or anything?

From The Complete Directory to Prime time Network TV Shows, 1946-Present.
By Tim Brooks & Earle Marsh.

Trapper John, M.D.
First Telecast: September 23, 1979
Last Telecast: September 4, 1986

Cast:
Pernell Roberts as Dr. John McIntyre ("Trapper John")
Gregory Harrison as Dr. George Alonzo Gates ("Gonzo")
Mary McCarty as Nurse Clara Willoughly ("Starch")
Mary McCarty died between the first and second season.
Christopher Norris as Nurse Gloria Brancusi ("Ripples")

This medical drama was a spin-off, of sorts, from the popular comedy
M*A*S*H. In the 28 years since he had been discharged from the 2077th
M.A.S..H. unit in Korea, balding Dr. John McIntyre had mellowed
considerably. He not only learned to sop fighting the system, but became
part of it, as chief of surgery at sprawling San Francisco Memorial
Hospital. ... Working with Trapper was an admiring young doctor named
Gonzo Gates, whose brash, irreverent attitude and love of life reminded
Trapper of his own youth. Gonzo (Note: who lived in a mobile home, gdw),
had served in an army M.A.S.H. unit himself during the Vietnam war, and
was a talented surgeon. Also featured was Trapper's scrub nurse, Starch,
who went all athe way back to his M.A.S.H. days.


Gerry Wright
ZoneZebra Productions
San Francisco


Eric L Miller

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Feb 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/7/96
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CraigNovo wrote:
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> I don't know if this was a spinoff program or not buit I don't think there
> were ever any references on Trapper John to either M*A*S*H or the war in
> Korea.

Yes there was. TJ had old 4077 pictures on the wall in his office.

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Aimee Pellet

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Feb 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/7/96
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> I'm not saying you are wrong, Jon....BUT, Trapper (in MASH) was
> married, with children) and Trapper John, M.D. was a single guy living
> in a trailer home in the hospital parking lot. Personally, I don't
> remember any references to Korea, the war, MASH, etc....but, that's
> just me and my feeble memory!
>
> Becki

I think the person who said you are probably thinking of Gonzo
living in the trailer was right. I do remember that Trapper was divorced
because the character of his ex-wife appeared in one or two episodes and
I remember him making references to his two daughters in both series.

Aimee

Jonathan D. Barton

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Feb 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/7/96
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>I'm not saying you are wrong, Jon....BUT, Trapper (in MASH) was
>married, with children) and Trapper John, M.D. was a single guy living
>in a trailer home in the hospital parking lot. Personally, I don't
>remember any references to Korea, the war, MASH, etc....but, that's
>just me and my feeble memory!
>
>Becki


Hmmm.... I was pretty sure it was the same Trapper, but now you've
got me doubting. Can anybody answer this question for sure? Where's
Tuttle? I bet he'd know- he knows everything.

Brandenburg

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Feb 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/7/96
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In <4f6qjo$k...@reader2.ix.netcom.com> jbar...@ix.netcom.com(Jonathan

D. Barton ) writes:
>
>In <Pine.LNX.3.91.96020...@filmgate.h4h.com> Wayne
>Poe>lo...@h4h.com> writes:
>>
>>Anyone know whether or not the show "Trapper John, M.D." was supposed
>>to be a continuation of Wayne Roger's character in MASH? If so, was
>>there ever any MASH references on that show? Did "Trapper" ever
>>discuss why he never sent Hawkeye a letter or anything?
>
>
> "Trapper John, M.D." was supposed to be Trapper after M*A*S*H.
>It's been a long time since I've seen that show, but I seem to
>remember that it had some vague references to Korea and the war, but I
>don't think that it ever referred to specific characters or plots from
>M*A*S*H.
> Jon

I'm not saying you are wrong, Jon....BUT, Trapper (in MASH) was

Dave Hall

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Feb 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/8/96
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>
>
>On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Stu Katz wrote:
>
>> In the pilot episode of "Trapper John M.D.", it opens with Pernell Roberts,

>> asleep on the couch in office, dreaming about the Korean War. He wakes up
>> yelling "Hawkeye.. Hawkeye".
>> Also, when the Gregory Harrison charactar is introduced, Trapper makes
>> refrence to the fact that "this was me 20 years ago. GOd help us all".
>> As far as I can remember, these are the only re: to Korea.
>
> I am really curious as to how you remember these things so well.
>Are there re-runs of the show on anywhere or do you just have a really
>good memory? If there are re-runs I'd like to know what station you see
>them on.
> Aimee

Re-Runs, let me tell you about re-runs, over here (Toronto, Canada) its
great! M*A*S*H is on about 6+ times a day here! on about 3 channels! But you
would (possibly) be able to get only one, cuz one is in Barrie (Ontario,
Canada) one is in Buffalo (FOX), and one is in Boston (WSBK, it's part of UPN,
United Paramount network).

Hope you find a channel that shows them, and if you don't, just move up here
to the great white north!

FRANK ROSENBAUM

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Feb 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/8/96
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Did Someone mention that GERALD wrote?:

GD>Wayne Poe (lo...@h4h.com) wrote:
GD>: Anyone know whether or not the show "Trapper John, M.D." was
GD>: supposed to be a continuation of Wayne Roger's character in MASH?
GD>: If so, was there ever any MASH references on that show? Did
GD>: "Trapper" ever discuss why he never sent Hawkeye a letter or
GD>: anything?
Trapper John was indeed a continuation of MASH. the only reference to
Korea, that I heard, was in the scene where Trapper was sleeping in the
off duty room and someone bursts through the door shouting at Trapper
that there were choppers coming. Trap, now awake but groggy responds
with something referring to Hawk.
*DISCLAIMER*
This scene is from a very faulty memory. I might have imagined
it, but I don't think so. I think that I got the basics, if not the
specifics. I will not be offended if someone corrects me, it will only
confirm that I am real. (g)

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Stu Katz

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In article <4faksm$d...@reader2.ix.netcom.com> jbar...@ix.netcom.com(Jonathan D. Barton ) writes:
>From: jbar...@ix.netcom.com(Jonathan D. Barton )

>Subject: Re: Trapper John question....
>Date: 7 Feb 1996 16:44:06 GMT


>>I'm not saying you are wrong, Jon....BUT, Trapper (in MASH) was
>>married, with children) and Trapper John, M.D. was a single guy living
>>in a trailer home in the hospital parking lot. Personally, I don't
>>remember any references to Korea, the war, MASH, etc....but, that's
>>just me and my feeble memory!
>>
>>Becki

OK, for last time ....
In Trapper John M.D., Trapper (P. Roberts), was divorced. His ex-wife was
played by Jessica Walters. In the last two seasons of the show, his son was
introduced as an intern/resident at the same hospital. He was played by
Timothy Busefield(sp?).
The doctor who lived in trailer was Gonzo Gates. His charactar was supposed
to be a present day Hawkeye-type. He was played by Gregory Harrison (who also
had a small part in an origanal M*A*S*H episode).

victor kamhi

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> Wayne Poe <lo...@h4h.com> wrote:
>Anyone know whether or not the show "Trapper John, M.D." was supposed to
>be a continuation of Wayne Roger's character in MASH? If so, was there
>ever any MASH references on that show? Did "Trapper" ever discuss why he
>never sent Hawkeye a letter or anything?

I know that in the first episode (maybe it was the pilot), but when Gonzo pulls up to
the hospital with his trailer and parks it it the lot, there's an immediate confrontation
with Trapper (as administrator).

Gonzo says something to the effect that HIS 'Nam MASH unit heard tell of the crazy
stunts pulled off by the MASHers of Korea. He was aware that Trapper was one of
the 4077th; in other words, "lighten up a bit; you were ME once upon a time".

Hmmm....BTW, was there really a 4077th or 8055 or 8063rd in Korea? If not, does
anybody know the numbers of the real MASH units from Korea?

--VIC (kam...@pt.cyanamid.com)


DERKOMAI

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Feb 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/9/96
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For one thing it wasn't my falt I wasn't born early enough to not have
VCRs, and the reason why I recorded them on audio is so I could watch or
listen to M*A*S*H no matter where I was.

Dorian

WEEVEY

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> Hmmm....BTW, was there really a 4077th or 8055 or 8063rd in Korea? If not, does
> anybody know the numbers of the real MASH units from Korea?
>
> --VIC (kam...@pt.cyanamid.com)

Yes, these MASH units did exist. I did a report on MASH units of
modern times and Korean time for an AP World History class in high school
and checked out these topics with the trivia books, local Army people,
etc. Even built a MASH unit mode using index cards and colored pencils
and used the MASH 4077th design from an issue of 'Newsweek'. I made an
'A+'...:)

Eva

WEEVEY

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On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Aimee Pellet wrote:

> Umm, parson me, but it seems slightly different to have taped the
> shows on audio tapes back in the '70's. The point of this was that it
> showed how long he had been a fan, not that he actually taped them. I
> think it is only a little strange that someone would audio tape the show
> now when VCR's are available, which I know must be the case since you
> have only been watching MASH for 7 months now. I don't think it is that
> cool to tape the shows on audio to write down everything that is said.
> That is what you do, isn't it?
> A-i-m-e-e

Well, I've been wantching M*A*S*H since 1976. I've taped all of the
shows on audio cassette -- haven't done the videos yet. I only had
access to audio when I was a kid and watching it. (I was 9 in 1976. :)
I also have a poster advertising the last episode that my father gave to
me. He manage a Honda-Kawasaki shop and they were one of the sponsors,
so he had a poster from it. For years, I kept up with all of the
articles and books published on this subject, but I've let that go since
college and graduate school. I also copied down the words from an
episode or two using the audio cassettes. I originally wanted to gather
all of the scripts, but that was rather time-consuming...:( I own
M*A*S*H trivia books and the M*A*S*H game. Also several posters. I also
have a *full* collection of the collector's cards you could get years ago
in sets with bubble gum.
Yeah, I was a M*A*S*Haholic, but I've recovered. I only watch it once
a week and I no longer write to the stars like I use to as a child.
(Ended up receiving a hand-written letter from Mike Farrell and several
autographed pictures which I still have...:)
Dorian, watch your obsession with M*A*SH and don't let it take over
your life. It took over mine for a *long* time. I don't regret that
period, but I did lose out on doing lots of things because I just *had*
to watch M*A*S*H...:( M*A*S*H inspired me to enter the medical friend
and now I'm a theoretical neurobiologist and I recently completed my
Ph.D. back in May. I am now on my way to Antwerp, Belgium to work there
as a postdoctoral researcher...:) I admired Hawkeye and wanted to be
like him, but after going through the pre-med curriculum, I decided I
didn't want that kind of life. Research was my thing! :)
Just a few comments...:)

Eva

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DERKOMAI

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Feb 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/10/96
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Too late it has already taken over my life possibly even more so than it
did yours. I don't want to go into great detail about my obsession because
I don't want to be considered a candidate for the funny farm.

Dorian

Larry Gelbart

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Feb 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/11/96
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The real 4077 was the 8055. (The Eight-Oh-Double Nickel)

lsg

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Don Tubbs

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Feb 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/14/96
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In article <4f9a26$s...@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
rone...@ix.netcom.com(Brandenburg ) wrote:

> In <4f6qjo$k...@reader2.ix.netcom.com> jbar...@ix.netcom.com(Jonathan


> D. Barton ) writes:
> >
> >In <Pine.LNX.3.91.96020...@filmgate.h4h.com> Wayne
> >Poe>lo...@h4h.com> writes:
> >>

> >>Anyone know whether or not the show "Trapper John, M.D." was supposed
> >>to be a continuation of Wayne Roger's character in MASH?

> I'm not saying you are wrong, Jon....BUT, Trapper (in MASH) was


> married, with children) and Trapper John, M.D. was a single guy living
> in a trailer home in the hospital parking lot. Personally, I don't
> remember any references to Korea, the war, MASH, etc....but, that's
> just me and my feeble memory!
>
> Becki

No, Gonzo was the single guy living in the parking lot.
Trapper John, M.D. was an *indirect* sequel series featuring Trapper John
from MASH. The production was billed as such during preproduction and
the first season or two, but was the connection wasn't referred to much
after it became clear that the show was a drama.

Don

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Karl D. Banach

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Feb 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/17/96
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On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:14:16 -0600, Chris <kee...@nitco.com> wrote:
>I've been looking for the last episode for a while now with no luck.
>I would like to acquire the actual print but if there are none I'll
>settle for a copy from someone instead. Hell, while I'm at it, I'd like
>to get the last several episodes leading up to the last one. Can anyone
>point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks, Chris

It is available on video. A local video store here has it. I don't know
if it is still in print, but I can make a copy of it for you if you want.
E-mail me if that's what you want.

Dave

har...@athenet.net

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Feb 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/20/96
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rone...@ix.netcom.com(Brandenburg ) wrote:

**In <4f6qjo$k...@reader2.ix.netcom.com> jbar...@ix.netcom.com(Jonathan
**D. Barton ) writes:
**>
**>In <Pine.LNX.3.91.96020...@filmgate.h4h.com> Wayne
**>Poe>lo...@h4h.com> writes:
**>>
**>>Anyone know whether or not the show "Trapper John, M.D." was supposed
**>>to be a continuation of Wayne Roger's character in MASH? If so, was
**>>there ever any MASH references on that show? Did "Trapper" ever
**>>discuss why he never sent Hawkeye a letter or anything?
**>
**>
**> "Trapper John, M.D." was supposed to be Trapper after M*A*S*H.
**>It's been a long time since I've seen that show, but I seem to
**>remember that it had some vague references to Korea and the war, but I
**>don't think that it ever referred to specific characters or plots from
**>M*A*S*H.
**> Jon

**I'm not saying you are wrong, Jon....BUT, Trapper (in MASH) was
**married, with children) and Trapper John, M.D. was a single guy living
**in a trailer home in the hospital parking lot. Personally, I don't
**remember any references to Korea, the war, MASH, etc....but, that's
**just me and my feeble memory!

**Becki

Perhaps I too have a feeble memory, but I believe the motorhome with the
hospital's-eye view belonged to Gonzo Gates (Gregory Harrison). Trapper
was more dignified and drove a convertible Caddy. After all, he WAS the
chief surgeon or whatever of a large hospital. And Trapper did have
Timothy Busby (I think) the redhead who appeared as his son.

But I didn't watch that show enough to pick up on any M*A*S*H references.

Daniel Patrick Cunningham

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Feb 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/24/96
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Actually yes---the character was the same as that from MASH. The
reason Trapper was single was that he had divorced at some point
between the war and the timeperiod of "MD." On one occasion, during a
disaster, wounded are being brought to the modern hospital by
helecopter. A sleeping Trapper John awakes and yells "Lets go, Hawk!"
before realizing that Koria is 20 years past! Otherwise, not a real
great show---


MrQuixote

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Feb 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/24/96
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Trapper John MD was Fox's effort to rip off itself and capitalize on
M*A*S*H's popularity while it was still on the air. When the creative
staff learned about plans for Trapper John MD, they sent a storyline in
for a MASH episode where a letter arrives telling them that Trapper had
died. The Fox TV execs didn't think it was very funny.

Craig Young

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Feb 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM2/27/96
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Chris (kee...@nitco.com) wrote:
: I've been looking for the last episode for a while now with no luck.
: I would like to acquire the actual print but if there are none I'll
: settle for a copy from someone instead. Hell, while I'm at it, I'd like
: to get the last several episodes leading up to the last one. Can anyone
: point me in the right direction?

: Thanks, Chris
Chris

UPN 38 (WSBK) Boston - (one of the superstations) is showing as many as
four (4) M*A*S*H eposides weekdays. Today (February 26) they showed the
second last eposide (#250 from eleventh season) as well as the pilot (#1)
from the first season. Tomorrow? Good luck.


CraigYoung

cr...@nlnet.nf.ca

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