Edited Mash and Unedited Mash a few questions
J M
12:25 Ok the shows were 36 minutes long But everyone I ever saw first
run on CBS was only 30 minutes long so where did they get the extra 6
minutes from Did CBS cut or delete 6 minutes when they were first aired
Would another show like Seinfeld be 36 minutes long on Hallmark if they
showed the unedited versions
Michael Rogers
So, a half hour show would be about 25-26 minutes without commercials.
Over the years, commercial time per hour increased. To make room for
those additional commercials, the shows would be edited when they went
to syndication (usually to about 22 minutes)
What Hallmark has done is restore the shows to the original lenth when
they first aired on CBS. But in order to keep the commercial ratio up,
they ran it in a 36 minute time slot.
So, what 30 minutes of commercial TV time could handle for Program lenth
back in the 70's had to be increased to 36 minutes for modern TV time.
Seinfeld is a more recent show and was made at the outset to run shorter
to allow more commercials. So while in syndication it might recieve a
little bit of editing, it's nothing to the loss of scenes of shows from
the 50's, 60's and 70's to accomedate the amount of commercials shown
these days.
Mike
PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
: MASH was made in the time where you had less commercial time per hour.
: So, a half hour show would be about 25-26 minutes without commercials.
:
: Over the years, commercial time per hour increased. To make room for
: those additional commercials, the shows would be edited when they went
: to syndication (usually to about 22 minutes)
Shows were *always* cut upon syndication to allow for more commercials.
Syndicated reruns have always had longer commercial breaks than primetime
shows. Shows like M*A*S*H and STAR TREK were edited for more commercials
as soon as they went into syndication. As soon as STAR TREK went into
syndication there were all these film clips in circulation among fandom
that hadn't come from offical commercial sources, and it was because a few
clever fans had got the idea to go to their local stations and snap up
what the editors were leaving out of the syndicated reruns.
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Robert E. Morris
where the physicals come up and Trapper almost gets out with an ulcer,
the scene where Margaret addresses her shirtless nurses was cut for so
long, I thought maybe my teened hormonal mind had invented it ( I was 13
when they first went syndie, and the cuts were not as deep then. ) The
ST one, now commonly kept in, involved a 20th Century wino finding
McCoy's phaser and disintegrating himself with it. I only mention it
because I had already seen those eps the proverbial million times before
seeing these 'extra' scenes.
Michael Rogers
up to the local station. Some would not edit, others would and if they
did, it was up to them what to cut.
Stations would get TV shows on 16 or 35 mm prints and would edit by
splicing the film(hense the film clips).
I'm lucky to have a 1977 beta tape of a couple syndicated Star Trek
episodes from Channel 10 here in Rochester (I say lucky because it was
the way I used to watch it as a kid back in the 70's. It has all the
commercials complete and everything). Well, channel 10 showed Star Trek
unedited (I know each and every Trek episode enough to know if there are
edits).
In the early 1980's, I saw Star Trek on NYC's WPIX on cable. WPIX would
cut 6-7 minutes out of Star Trek. Yes, on "City On The Edge Of Forever",
they did cut out the hobo accidently killing himself with the phaser,
but I did see that scene on channel 10.
WPIX was notorius for copius editing of syndicated reruns, so much so
that fans of "The Honeymooners" lobbied them to show thier favorite show
uncut(WPIX had run it for years). Since "The Honeymooners" had a special
following in NYC, WPIX soon agreed.
Another one of my favorite shows, Space:1999, suffered greatly because
they were first run syndication in the U.S. And from the first showing
on, depending on what station showed them, they would be cut. Some
episodes of Space:1999 were hard to understand but when they were edited
they were often impossible to understand.
Now, in the middle 80's, studios would start to send out thier shows on
videotape masters. Often, these videotape masters would be pre-edited in
the expectation that the station would edit them anyway.
So, Paramount was one of the first ones to do this with Star Trek. They
had stations turn in thier film prints for pre-edited videotape masters.
the videotapes had the advantage of not aging and fading in the same way
as film (but videotape does age and fade )and the masters were made from
nice new cleaned up prints of the shows.
Mike
Eric Ferguson
do whatever they want to the episodes and scheduling. Cut and snip here,
move it to another time slot there, show it less and less, and TOTALLY
ignore you when you email them, other than to basically say *TOO BAD! TOUGH
LUCK!*. They've done the same thing with other shows. They have also said
that the viewers are less and it isn't viable anymore...Hmm...wonder why?
ESolomonso
>Date: 12/31/2003 8:57 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Welcome to the wonderful world of hallmark!!! They get you hooked and then
>do whatever they want to the episodes and scheduling. Cut and snip here,
>move it to another time slot there, show it less and less,
Hallmark isn't alone, and I understand how "frustrating" it can be with all the
cuts but, networks are in business to make money, whether it's CBS or Hallmark
and they do that by selling advertising space.
CBS didn't cut, but the price for ad space is a whole lot more than on Hallmark
by virtue of the fact that CBS had a much larger audience and could get much
more money for ad space.
I hate to be repetitive, as I've said this several times here, but the problem
is cured with DVD's. No cuts, no commercials, great picture, watch what you
want and when you want it and for about 30 bucks, you get an entire season as
opposed to CH tapes which were around 25 bucks per tape for three episodes.
Eddie
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Michael Rogers
Mike
Marco Polo
> Okay I loved the unedited Mash shows Hallmark used to show from 10 to
> 12:25 Ok the shows were 36 minutes long But everyone I ever saw first
> run on CBS was only 30 minutes long so where did they get the extra 6
> minutes from Did CBS cut or delete 6 minutes when they were first aired
>