Worst mistake in MASH history!
Bob Gassel
In the end tag of "Chief Surgeon Who?", Hawkeye has just finished an operation
when Frank asks for help; Hawkeye then walks over and sticks his ALREADY BLOODY
gloves into Frank's patient.
I guess Walter Dishell must have had the day off...
BG
ESolomonso
>Date: 09/14/2002 10:26 PM
>I just noticed this and I almost puked...
>
>In the end tag of "Chief Surgeon Who?", Hawkeye has just finished an
>operation
>when Frank asks for help; Hawkeye then walks over and sticks his ALREADY
>BLOODY
>gloves into Frank's patient.
I've seen that a couple of times. I just can't recall which eps they're in.
Maybe Aussie Brad knows which eps they are.
Eddie
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Brad
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> >Date: 09/14/2002 10:26 PM
>
> >I just noticed this and I almost puked...
> >
> >In the end tag of "Chief Surgeon Who?", Hawkeye has just finished an
> >operation
> >when Frank asks for help; Hawkeye then walks over and sticks his ALREADY
> >BLOODY
> >gloves into Frank's patient.
>
> I've seen that a couple of times. I just can't recall which eps they're
in.
> Maybe Aussie Brad knows which eps they are.
I'm flattered that you would think so. I'm not as observant when it comes to
medical mistakes. Now I'm going to be looking out for it though.
--
Brad
Zachary Brackin
amazed they even used gloves in the show. they only worry was infection from
there hands to the patient. bloodborne disease weren't really heard of
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ESolomonso
>Date: 09/15/2002 10:58 PM
>Well the deal about this is .. it actually went this way... i'm really
>amazed they even used gloves in the show. they only worry was infection from
>there hands to the patient. bloodborne disease weren't really heard of
If they worried about infections from their hands, it makes perfect sense to
use gloves.
As for bloodborn disease, there might not have been the knowledge there is
today, but I doubt it was unheard of. Doesn't hepatitis fall under that
category? (I really don't know)
MOFTAP
>i'm really
>amazed they even used gloves in the show. they only worry was infection from
>there hands to the patient. bloodborne disease weren't really heard of
You're kidding, right?
Becca
Zachary Brackin
storys of when whoever got the bloodiest hand on the ambulance was the
"man". So i'm sure this is the way doctors were..
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ESolomonso
>Date: 09/16/2002 3:15 AM
>Yeah they would worry about hep. but i'm an emt and the old ones tell of
>storys of when whoever got the bloodiest hand on the ambulance was the
>"man". So i'm sure this is the way doctors were..
Huh? I don't get this.
Bloodiest hand on the ambulance? What are you talking about?
And what or who is the "man?"
I'm not sure at all that this is the way doctors were. It doesn't make sense.
> they only worry was infection
>from
>> >there hands to the patient.
I don't get this either. What else is there to worry about? What other purpose
is there for a surgeon to use gloves while operating?
Rubber gloves were used for the simple reason that they were worried about
infections from their hands to the patient, just like you said.
The only time I've seen any surgeon at the 4077 *not* use gloves, is when they
ran out.
I don't believe for a second that gloves weren't used, except for the reason I
stated.
ESolomonso
In case you didn't know, there was medical advisor, Walter D. Dishell, MD, who
worked on MASH.
MOFTAP
>i'm an emt and the old ones tell of
>storys of when whoever got the bloodiest hand on the ambulance was the
>"man". So i'm sure this is the way doctors were..
No, that is not the way doctors were. There's a big difference between EMT's
and surgeons. Surgeons understood the importance of sterile technique and
practiced it long before the Korean War. After all, Louis Pasteur introduced
the germ theory of disease way back in 1857, and Joseph Lister instituted a
rudimentary form of surgical asepsis - sterilizing the patient's skin and
surgeon's hands with carbolic acid solution, and sterilizing surgical
instruments with heat - in 1865. William Stewart Halsted introduced rubber
gloves to the surgical arena in 1889 at John's Hopkins University. The first
open heart surgery was performed in 1944 and I guarantee that it wasn't
performed bare-handed.
Becca
Zachary Brackin
patients wasn't. I can recall a few episodes where they do direct blood
transfer. Also i don't think they even tested blood transplants till the
late 80's i.e. aids.
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Dwayer
mof...@aol.com (MOFTAP) wrote:
Correct. On MASH, we see a couple instances where they operate
without gloves -- however, these were always shown to be extraordinary
circumstances. The most obvious one that comes to mind is in "Life
Time" when Hawkeye puts his unscrubbed and ungloved hand in the
patient's chest in order to keep him from bleeding out from the
ruptured aorta. The other episode's title escapes me, but the camp
was having its regular supply troubles and they had run out of the
gloves. They were dousing the surgeon's hands with alcohol between
patients.
Cheers,
Will
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They don't know what you're doing wrong."
--Sir Arnold Robinson, _Yes, Minister_
MOFTAP
>Bare handed was a different thing for them yeah but changing blood between
>patients wasn't. I can recall a few episodes where they do direct blood
>transfer. Also i don't think they even tested blood transplants till the
>late 80's i.e. aids.
Sigh. I know I shouldn't bother asking, but I can't help myself. What does
"changing blood between patients" mean? What does "direct blood transfer"
mean? What does "tested blood transplants" mean?
Becca
PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
: Correct. On MASH, we see a couple instances where they operate
: without gloves -- however, these were always shown to be extraordinary
: circumstances. The most obvious one that comes to mind is in "Life
: Time" when Hawkeye puts his unscrubbed and ungloved hand in the
: patient's chest in order to keep him from bleeding out from the
: ruptured aorta. The other episode's title escapes me, but the camp
: was having its regular supply troubles and they had run out of the
: gloves. They were dousing the surgeon's hands with alcohol between
: patients.
'Deluge', late Year Four.
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Paul Gadzikowski, scar...@iglou.com since 1995
http://members.iglou.com/scarfman
I don't use "Coke" generically. I just assume a restaurant serves it till
I discover otherwise.
Halo
2nd question: connecting 2 people by a tube putting their blood in another
person. 3rd question: Now in the medical realm they test blood before
transferring it to another person, then they would not have tested it. Does
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Pud
hello. In one of the last seasons during an ep where Pierce's father is
going into surgery and he has trouble getting through to him at the
hospital, Winchester tries to comfort him. During their conversation Hawkeye
talks about his mother dying when he was 10 years old.
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ESolomonso
>Date: 10/03/2002 10:09 PM
>First few seasons Hawkeye told his father to tell his mother and sister,
>hello. In one of the last seasons during an ep where Pierce's father is
>going into surgery and he has trouble getting through to him at the
>hospital, Winchester tries to comfort him. During their conversation Hawkeye
>talks about his mother dying when he was 10 years old.
There's a much earlier ep when Radar get's a letter from his mother telling him
about her new "Boyfriend."
Hawkeye tell Radar that his mother died when he was a young boy.
Mikael Uhlin
>First few seasons Hawkeye told his father to tell his mother and sister,
hello.
These are reminiscenses from the MASH-novels where Hawkeye have a living
mother, a couple of brothers and a sister with family. And of course Hawkeye
himself is married and father of three in the novels.
ShandaRose
but in the movie, when they have to take Ho-Jon to Seoul (or was it Tokyo? my
mind isn't working right now) -- the reporter drives by and asks Hawkeye if he
wants to say anything to his mother, and he says that his mother is dead. Then
she asks if he wants to say anything to his father. (I don't remember what he
responds after that).
Ron
> news:20020914222616...@mb-mq.aol.com...
> > I just noticed this and I almost puked...
> >
> > In the end tag of "Chief Surgeon Who?", Hawkeye has just finished an
> operation
> > when Frank asks for help; Hawkeye then walks over and sticks his ALREADY
> BLOODY
> > gloves into Frank's patient.
> >
> > I guess Walter Dishell must have had the day off...
> >
> > BG
I know its fun to pick at the very insignificant mistakes, BUT ITS A
DAMN TV SHOW, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Lets talk about the good that
came out of this great TV show instead...
ESolomonso
>Date: 10/04/2002 1:33 AM
>I know its fun to pick at the very insignificant mistakes, BUT ITS A
>DAMN TV SHOW, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Lets talk about the good that
>came out of this great TV show instead...
>
Some of MASH's mistakes aren't insignificant. Some have to do with history.
It's taken years to find these things, and more are being found all the time.
It's actually a tribute to MASH that we find these quirks. It's a testament to
how great MASH is. Almost 20 years since GFA first aired and it's still very
popular, picking up new fans all the time and some of us "Old timers" here have
been at it since Sept. 72.
If MASH wasn't a great show, I doubt that many people would be watching 30
years later.
Plus, there fun to find.
Nitedulac
>she asks if he wants to say anything to his father. (I don't remember what
>he
>responds after that).
>
Hi Dad
(that was it)
Dave
Joe Gillis
Hiring Loretta Swit.
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"I don't mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." -- Samuel Butler
MOFTAP
*grating* as I do? I frequently find myself reaching for the remote during her
scenes just to lower the volume. To my ears, her voice is extremely loud and
shrill.
Becca
cinema...@aol.comedy wrote:
>Hiring Loretta Swit.
Brad Filippone
Hawkeye carries a plate into the party and places it on the table in front
of Henry. The camera keeps moving to center on Henry and Hawkeye passes
out of the shot. Henry looks at the plate and asks what it is. Note the
background. Hawkeye may no longer be in the shot, but his shadow is! His
shadow appears to say something, then the shot cuts to Hawkeye answering
Henry's question, "A spam lamb!"
Ooops!
The Other Brad
Mibbitmaker
Any medical board in America giving Frank Burns a licence to practice surgery.
;o)
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