Location of MASH 4077 in South Korea
jar...@insync.net
(Greg H, Sydney Aus) wrote:
> ?An Americanism that's puzzled me? - in the same episode Frank
> argues that "M stands for mobile.....", and Hawkeye retorts that
> M also stands for M'Sugar (or ma-sugar, or something to that
> effect) - what is the word and what does it mean (I can only
> assume it's some reference to being effeminate - but enlighten
> me)
Hawkeye's retort is not an "Americanism"...It is a "Yiddishism" -- that M
also stands for "Mischuga" (transliteration of the Yiddish for "crazy").
He often uses Yiddish phrases and refers to other cultural customs --
"what's a drink without a nosh..." -- that are obviously not from his
upbringing in Crab Apple Cove (Maine or Vermont, depending upon the
episode). Maybe he picked up the habit when he was working in Boston
(residency) or New York (worked at Belleview), where there are large
Jewish populations...
Dan Rothschild
>upbringing in Crab Apple Cove (Maine or Vermont, depending upon the
Do we know for a fact that he was indeed NOT Jewish? His name is Benjamin
Franklin Pierce, so he's named after a liberal free-thinking Deist, and
his fathers name is Daniel, which is an OT name.
Dan
PS - Is Alan Alda Jewish? His name and looks tend to suggest it.
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>
>>In article <ALTVM...@obbs.access.victoria.bc.ca>,
>>ma...@obbs.access.victoria.bc.ca wrote in reference to whether or not
>>Frank ever moves the camp:
>>>
>>> Hawkeye refers to Frank moving the camp. All you see is Hawkeye packing
>>> some stuff in a bag and complaining about it. I believe that it was in an
>>> episode where Hawkeye is writing a letter to someone. In the later years
>>> with Charles there IS a bugout (episode where BJ arranges the stateside
>>> party in New York).
>
>>Frank does move the camp, but we don't see much of it. The episode in
>>which the complaint about Frank moving the camp across the road and back
>>is the one in which Hawkeye is up on mutiny charges (courtesy of Frank).
>>BJ is actually narating the story of the move and back as testimony to the
>>events that lead up to the breakdown in Frank's command.
>
>>Russ @ jarfco
>
>Correcto-mondo! The episode is "The Novocaine Mutiny" (4th
>season, 3rd last episode). Features the classic come-back by
>Hawkeye when Frank alleges mutiny - "It's not the mutiny that's
>alleged - it's Frank medical skills that are alleged".
>
>?An Americanism that's puzzled me? - in the same episode Frank
>argues that "M stands for mobile.....", and Hawkeye retorts that
>M also stands for M'Sugar (or ma-sugar, or something to that
>effect) - what is the word and what does it mean (I can only
>assume it's some reference to being effeminate - but enlighten
>me)
>
>
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The word is "Mashuga," a hebrew word. I think, but I could be wrong, that it is an unflattering word for a person. Any better definitions?
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Eric L Miller
>>"what's a drink without a nosh..." -- that are obviously not from his
>>upbringing in Crab Apple Cove (Maine or Vermont, depending upon the
>
>Do we know for a fact that he was indeed NOT Jewish? His name is Benjamin
>Franklin Pierce, so he's named after a liberal free-thinking Deist, and
>his fathers name is Daniel, which is an OT name.
>
>Dan
>
>PS - Is Alan Alda Jewish? His name and looks tend to suggest it.
Alan Alda is Italian (in fact "Alan Alda" is not his true name, his real name is Alphonso d'Abruzzo).
ma...@obbs.access.victoria.bc.ca
>
>>In article <ALTVM...@obbs.access.victoria.bc.ca>,
>>ma...@obbs.access.victoria.bc.ca wrote in reference to whether or not
>>Frank ever moves the camp:
>>>
>>> Hawkeye refers to Frank moving the camp. All you see is Hawkeye packing
>>> some stuff in a bag and complaining about it. I believe that it was in a
>>> with Charles there IS a bugout (episode where BJ arranges the stateside
>>> party in New York).
>
>>Frank does move the camp, but we don't see much of it. The episode in
>>which the complaint about Frank moving the camp across the road and back
>>is the one in which Hawkeye is up on mutiny charges (courtesy of Frank).
>>BJ is actually narating the story of the move and back as testimony to the
>>events that lead up to the breakdown in Frank's command.
>
>>Russ @ jarfco
>
>Correcto-mondo! The episode is "The Novocaine Mutiny" (4th
>season, 3rd last episode). Features the classic come-back by
>Hawkeye when Frank alleges mutiny - "It's not the mutiny that's
>alleged - it's Frank medical skills that are alleged".
>
>?An Americanism that's puzzled me? - in the same episode Frank
>argues that "M stands for mobile.....", and Hawkeye retorts that
>M also stands for M'Sugar (or ma-sugar, or something to that
>effect) - what is the word and what does it mean (I can only
>assume it's some reference to being effeminate - but enlighten
>me)
>
>Greg H.
>noak...@ozemail.com.au
>Hurstville, Sydney, Australia
Ma-sugar would be a slang for `gone nuts'. Lost their sanity, ready for a
padded room...
Lyle
jar...@insync.net
> >"what's a drink without a nosh..." -- that are obviously not from his
> >upbringing in Crab Apple Cove (Maine or Vermont, depending upon the
>
> Do we know for a fact that he was indeed NOT Jewish? His name is Benjamin
> Franklin Pierce, so he's named after a liberal free-thinking Deist, and
> his fathers name is Daniel, which is an OT name.
>
In episode 56, "Life with Father," Hawkeye performs a circumcision on a
Jewish, Korean boy but is obviously unfamiliar with the "bris" ceremony
that accompanies it. When radio contact with the rabbi aboard the Essex,
who is dictating the service to Father Mulcahy, fades, only the Korean
wife knows how to finish the ceremony. Also, in another episode (we can't
place it), Hawkeye mentions that there is a lot of "sainthood" talk about
him going around his hometown -- not a very Jewish notion. In episode 158,
"Dear Sis," when Father Mulcahy is depressed about being ineffective,
Hawkeye arranges to have the whole camp sing a beautiful rendition of
"Donna Nobis Pacem" (sp.) in multi-part harmony. Father Mulcahy refers to
him as "that crazy agnostic." So, we're not positive, but it seems
unlikely that Hawkeye is actually Jewish. It seems more likely that he
was exposed to many of the customs and traditions during his
travels/studies. Does anyone else have any ideas one way or the other?
Lenore and Russ @ Jarfco
Eric L Miller
>>
>>>In article <ALTVM...@obbs.access.victoria.bc.ca>,
>>>ma...@obbs.access.victoria.bc.ca wrote in reference to whether or not
>>>Frank ever moves the camp:
>>>>
>>>> Hawkeye refers to Frank moving the camp. All you see is Hawkeye packing
>>>> episode where Hawkeye is writing a letter to someone. In the later years
>>>> with Charles there IS a bugout (episode where BJ arranges the stateside
>>>> party in New York).
>>
>>>Frank does move the camp, but we don't see much of it. The episode in
>>>which the complaint about Frank moving the camp across the road and back
>>>is the one in which Hawkeye is up on mutiny charges (courtesy of Frank).
>>>BJ is actually narating the story of the move and back as testimony to the
>>>events that lead up to the breakdown in Frank's command.
>>
>>>Russ @ jarfco
>>
>>Correcto-mondo! The episode is "The Novocaine Mutiny" (4th
>>season, 3rd last episode). Features the classic come-back by
>>Hawkeye when Frank alleges mutiny - "It's not the mutiny that's
>>alleged - it's Frank medical skills that are alleged".
>>
>>?An Americanism that's puzzled me? - in the same episode Frank
>>argues that "M stands for mobile.....", and Hawkeye retorts that
>>M also stands for M'Sugar (or ma-sugar, or something to that
>>effect) - what is the word and what does it mean (I can only
>>assume it's some reference to being effeminate - but enlighten
>>me)
>>
>>
>>Greg H.
>>noak...@ozemail.com.au
>>Hurstville, Sydney, Australia
>>I've worked my way up from nothing to a
>>state of extreme poverty (Groucho Marx)
>>****************************************
>
>The word is "Mashuga," a hebrew word. I think, but I could be wrong, that it is an unflattering word for a person. Any better definitions?
I found out what it means, it means "madman."
Gandalf the White
: >The word is "Mashuga," a hebrew word. I think, but I could be wrong, that it is an unflattering word for a person. Any better definitions?
:
: I found out what it means, it means "madman."
It's not Hebrew, it's Yiddish. And "madman" is close enough to the a
definition, I'd say "crazy" is better.
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(who is Jewish) him and Arlene bolth Questioned their religion (or
something like that)
Matthias Reinacher
i'm new here, but M*A*S*H* fan and I must say : Gandalf, your wrong!
msm...@netaxs.com (Gandalf the White) wrote:
>Scott Anderson (Ande...@intrepid.net) wrote:
>: Moving of Camp did occur when Burns decided to move the whole camp
>: across the road and then right back. This all occured when Potter was
>: away and Burns was left in command.
>You sure you don't mean when Henry was away? I don't remember Frank
>moving camp when Col. Potter was away. I could be wrong though... It's
>been known to happen... infrequently... ok, maybe just once... Alright,
>it'd be a first but damnit there's a first time for everything, right?
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I saw the episode about a month ago in german TV.
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Matthias Reinacher
Ira Lieberman
>argues that "M stands for mobile.....", and Hawkeye retorts that
>M also stands for M'Sugar (or ma-sugar, or something to that
>effect) - what is the word and what does it mean (I can only
>assume it's some reference to being effeminate - but enlighten
>me)
The word is "meshugge" (or similar spellings). It's Yiddish for "crazy".
Ira Lieberman
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Gandalf the White
: The word is "meshugge" (or similar spellings). It's Yiddish for "crazy".
OK! I've had it! I'm gonna lose my mind if someone doesn't come clean
with the PROPER spelling of this darned word. Where's the "N" in it?
Every time I've heard it said there's an "N" sound in it, like
"ma-shug-a-na". I even asked my grandmother's friend (who speaks Yiddish)
and she can't spell it for me! What's the mystery?
Tell me now or I'll finish saying "shemhemphorhash" backwards and unmake
the whole universe! So there, neyh!
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Matthias said this stuff:
: Hi there,
:
: i'm new here, but M*A*S*H* fan and I must say : Gandalf, your wrong!
In response to my saying this garbage:
: >You sure you don't mean when Henry was away? I don't remember Frank
: >moving camp when Col. Potter was away. I could be wrong though... It's
: >been known to happen... infrequently... ok, maybe just once... Alright,
: >it'd be a first but damnit there's a first time for everything, right?
Then Matthias spewed forth this drivel:
: I saw the episode about a month ago in german TV.
To which I responded with the following diatribe:
Ok, so I'm wrong...
Gandalf the White
Distribution:
Dr. Howard M. Berlin (ber...@hopi.dtcc.edu) wrote:
: Apparently some people never learned the rudiments of their own (or any
: other) language.
Ooooh, nasty little swipes, just what was called for.
: 1. First, when words are often transliterated from languages that do not
: use Latin alphabets (Hebrew/Yiddish, Russian/cyrillic family, Arabic to
: name a few) there is rarely any "correct" standardized spelling. Hell,
: Chanukah is also spelled as Hannukah (and a few other ways). Yiddish is
: only written (properly) using the Hebrew alphabet so your bubba would not
: be able to tell you how to spell the word.
Yes, but there usually are some agreed upon spellings. I don't believe
I've seen too many people running around spelling Hannukah "FRED".
: 2. "Meshugga" (or however we want to spell it in English) means "crazy" -
: it is an ADJECTIVE! - He is crazy.
If there's no proper spelling then "ickypootiedoodoo" should do just fine
for both.
: "Meshuggana" often is used as a NOUN to refer to a "crazy PERSON" or one
: who is crazy - He's meshuggana - He's a crazy person.
yadda yadda yadda...
: Refer to Leo Rosten's "The Joy's of Yiddish" for a humerous lexicon of
: Yiddish words and their approximate spellings - I don't have my paperback
: copy of this book handay as I am writing this posting.
:
: Now, what word didn't YOU understand...
I didn't understand the word "handay", what the hell is a "handay"?
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> Ira Lieberman (i...@iu.net) wrote:
>
> OK! I've had it! I'm gonna lose my mind if someone doesn't come clean
> with the PROPER spelling of this darned word. Where's the "N" in it?
> Every time I've heard it said there's an "N" sound in it, like
> "ma-shug-a-na". I even asked my grandmother's friend (who speaks Yiddish)
> and she can't spell it for me! What's the mystery?
>
Apparently some people never learned the rudiments of their own (or any
other) language.
1. First, when words are often transliterated from languages that do not
use Latin alphabets (Hebrew/Yiddish, Russian/cyrillic family, Arabic to
name a few) there is rarely any "correct" standardized spelling. Hell,
Chanukah is also spelled as Hannukah (and a few other ways). Yiddish is
only written (properly) using the Hebrew alphabet so your bubba would not
be able to tell you how to spell the word.
2. "Meshugga" (or however we want to spell it in English) means "crazy" -
it is an ADJECTIVE! - He is crazy.
"Meshuggana" often is used as a NOUN to refer to a "crazy PERSON" or one
who is crazy - He's meshuggana - He's a crazy person.
Refer to Leo Rosten's "The Joy's of Yiddish" for a humerous lexicon of
Yiddish words and their approximate spellings - I don't have my paperback
copy of this book handay as I am writing this posting.
Now, what word didn't YOU understand...
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> I didn't understand the word "handay", what the hell is a "handay"?
When typing at 100+ wpm, "handay" is my Yiddish spelling for "handy"
Gandalf the White
: When typing at 100+ wpm, "handay" is my Yiddish spelling for "handy"
I type at 100+ wpm and I don't type things "handay". Espically when I
busting on someone else over spelling errors. Maybe you should not post
when you're feeling so holier than thou, okay?