Episode Question
Geoff Wheeler
I have just discovered this newsgroup! I have been watching MASH on FTA in
Australia, virtually since it started in 1973 (?). And it is really good
seeing it again as it on tv now, even thoug the episodes are BUTCHERED to
fit in more commercials! :-(
My question is about an early episode in which Frank Burns is destroying
books, (was he burning them?)
He is confronted by Hawkeye and Trapper, they look at the books, and Trapper
says...
"...Norman Mailer?"
Frank replies, "It's got that word in it!"
So, any ideas on which book it could be? And, more importantly, what is
'THAT WORD'?
Beers and cheers,
Geoff
PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
: He is confronted by Hawkeye and Trapper, they look at the books, and Trapper
: says...
:
: "...Norman Mailer?"
:
: Frank replies, "It's got that word in it!"
:
: So, any ideas on which book it could be? And, more importantly, what is
: 'THAT WORD'?
I don't read Mailer, so I've no idea which book. But I always assumed
'that word' was the F word.
Paul Gadzikowski, scar...@iglou.com since 1995
http://members.iglou.com/scarfman
"Where the hell'd you get the nuclear bomb?"
David Brunt
> Geoff Wheeler <gwhe...@removethispowerup.com.au> wrote:
> : He is confronted by Hawkeye and Trapper, they look at the books, and
Trapper
> : says...
> :
> : "...Norman Mailer?"
> :
> : Frank replies, "It's got that word in it!"
> :
> : So, any ideas on which book it could be? And, more importantly, what is
> : 'THAT WORD'?
>
> I don't read Mailer, so I've no idea which book. But I always assumed
> 'that word' was the F word.
Almost certainly his first book "The Naked and the Dead", published in 1948.
This was an anti-war satire.
Maybe this was part of the censorship battle with the network over using the
word "virgin" on screen? Maybe Elsig will know.
David
Elsig
>
The word was "fug." The actual word was not allowed to be printed in 1948.
>This was an anti-war satire.
>
"The Naked and the Dead" was in no way satirical. The author James Jones meant
to present fighting men as he knew them to act and to speak.
>Maybe this was part of the censorship battle with the network over using the
word "virgin" on screen?
>
It was a comparison between American book burners and Nazi book burners.
LG
James Pierce
was bad about it that it couldn't be printed in 1948?
James L. Pierce
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burd
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If you do your a b c's you can fill in the fu-- as in Felix
Unger. FU
Elsig
was bad about it that it couldn't be printed in 1948?
>
l didn't mind being called young, l don't mind being called old. The only
thing l'll mind being called is dead.
Since this is 2003 and not 1948, l can tell you that "fug" was a substitute for
"fuck."
LG
whodunit
>
> LG
>
My eyes! My eyes!! ;-)
I remember being quite shocked as a teen to hear Hawkeye curse several
times. Ah, the good old censored days. ;-)
Carolyne in CA
David Brunt
> Since this is 2003 and not 1948, l can tell you that "fug" was a
> substitute for "fuck."
Surely there's no subsititute for a good fug...?
ShandaRose
>
>
oooh you swore ... I'M TELLING MOM!!!
you know, elsig, you aren't going to live this down very easily LOL
;-)
"Unless we each conform, unless we obey orders, unless we follow our leaders
blindly, there is no possible way that we can remain free" ... Maj. Frank Burns
Elsig
>
Pretend you're watching cable, where they not only say the words, they act them
out.
LG
Elsig
LG
Brad Filippone
: "Elsig" <el...@aol.com> wrote
: > Since this is 2003 and not 1948, l can tell you that "fug" was a
: > substitute for "fuck."
: Surely there's no subsititute for a good fug...?
This thread is getting all fugged up.
Brad
Brad Filippone
: >My eyes! My eyes!! ;-)
: >
: Pretend you're watching cable, where they not only say the words, they act them
: out.
Now, THERE's a way to improve "Bedazzled!" :)
The Other Brad
RNeill22
>: > Since this is 2003 and not 1948, l can tell you that "fug" was a
>: > substitute for "fuck."
>
>: Surely there's no subsititute for a good fug...?
>
>This thread is getting all fugged up.
>
>
Haven't you heard that you should just say "no" to fugs?
Elsig
>
Nothing could help it.
LG
ESolomonso
>Date: 06/03/2003 9:15 AM
>But I always assumed
>'that word' was the F word.
As did I.
Eddie
======================================
If I want to chew the fat, I'll eat a sandwich.
ESolomonso
>Date: 06/03/2003 11:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>The word was "fug." The actual word was not allowed to be printed in 1948
It wasn't any easier in the 60's either.
I'm dating myself here, but back then there was a rock band called The Fugs.
I cannot recall any of their songs being played on the radio. One of their
songs was called "Dirty Old Man" and the lyrics went something like:
"That fugging dirty old man."
Paul, see what I mean? No matter how much we think we know about MASH, there's
always something new.
James Pierce
D'OH! x32
ShandaRose
>Sorry - didn't mean to shog you.
>
>LG
>
ask ...
Shanda, whose brain is not awake right now
PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
:>Now, THERE's a way to improve "Bedazzled!" :)
:>
:
: Nothing could help it.
I assume we're dis[cuss]ing the Fraser-Hurley version rather than the
classic Cook-Moore version?
Speaking of remakes, has anyone seen both versions of 'The In-Laws'? How's
the new one measure up?
Dwayer
shand...@aol.com (ShandaRose) wrote:
>>
>>Sorry - didn't mean to shog you.
>>
>>LG
>>
>shog? ok, I'm either too young or too old for this word. AND, I'm afraid to
>ask ...
Neither, actually. Fug is to Fu.. as Shog is to Shock.
>
>Shanda, whose brain is not awake right now
Cheers,
Will
--
****
"If people don't know what you're doing,
They don't know what you're doing wrong."
--Sir Arnold Robinson, _Yes, Minister_
ShandaRose
>shand...@aol.com (ShandaRose) wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Sorry - didn't mean to shog you.
>>>
>>>LG
>>>
>>shog? ok, I'm either too young or too old for this word. AND, I'm afraid
>to
>>ask ...
>
>Neither, actually. Fug is to Fu.. as Shog is to Shock.
>
>>
>>Shanda, whose brain is not awake right now
>
>Cheers,
>Will
>--
>****
thanks ... I was scared there for a minute (as if elsig could scare me....
bwuaaahhahahaahahaaa)
--Shanda, whose brain is STILL not awake, even after 5 hours sleep ....
grrr I hate working 3rd shift
Parry
shog = shock
simple see...
what he did was....... ;)
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but on the other if i "fug" one last time before i die
in the end i would stil be happy
peter
CL
>>'that word' was the F word.
>
>As did I.
It was...just not the one you thought.
A side giggle - in Ireland last year, I heard 75+ year old ladies saying
"feck", as in "feck it all" and "you'll just feck it up". I must have looked
shocked at least once as one told me "oh, it's alright, we changed a letter so
it's not really swearing".
Mmmm, okay. Good little old Catholic ladies running around saying feck...
CL
*remove the falling star to reply*
BeAStooge
>From: el...@aol.com (Elsig)
>Date: 6/4/03 8:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>
>>Now, THERE's a way to improve "Bedazzled!" :)
>>
>Nothing could help it.
>
>LG
It appears you're not alone in that opinion. A quick stop at WalMart tonight
to pick up a few items, and I noticed they dumped their stock of BEDAZZLED DVDs
in the bargain bin @ $3.99, with other classics from Madacy, Goodtimes,
Platinum, etc.
ShandaRose
white game shows.... I just learned that fug was a dance... elsig, you didn't
tell us that!!! But the description cracked me up "kind of like the
chicken-back, but toward the front" was how it was described LOL
Dwayer
shand...@aol.com (ShandaRose) wrote:
>thanks ... I was scared there for a minute (as if elsig could scare me....
>bwuaaahhahahaahahaaa)
>--Shanda, whose brain is STILL not awake, even after 5 hours sleep ....
>grrr I hate working 3rd shift
No problemo, I understand completely -- once upon a time I worked the
midnight to 6am shift.
Elsig
>
I thought the dance was called the "frug." Because you couldn't say fruck in
those days either.
LG
Elsig
>
When they should have been saying feg?
LG
Elsig
>
And to frucks, too.
LG
Elsig
classic Cook-Moore version?
>
You are correct, sir.
LG
ShandaRose
this was the show "to tell the truth" and it was a "dance instructor" ... the
old black and white version... they spelled it, and pronounced it, because the
panelists were questioning how to pronounce it ("foog" or "fug" ... and he said
"fug" as in "up")
Brad Filippone
: >el...@aol.com (Elsig)
: >Date: 06/03/2003 11:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time
: >The word was "fug." The actual word was not allowed to be printed in 1948
: It wasn't any easier in the 60's either.
: I'm dating myself here, but back then there was a rock band called The Fugs.
: I cannot recall any of their songs being played on the radio. One of their
: songs was called "Dirty Old Man" and the lyrics went something like:
: "That fugging dirty old man."
Try Hemmingway. I seem to recall the word "obscenity" appearing in place
of the bad words.
Brad
Brad Filippone
: Its amazing what you learn on late-night television, especially old black and
: white game shows.... I just learned that fug was a dance... elsig, you didn't
: tell us that!!! But the description cracked me up "kind of like the
: chicken-back, but toward the front" was how it was described LOL
There's a station here in Canada that runs episodes of "Your Show of
Shows." I keep wondering which sketches elsig had a hand in writing.
The Other Brad
Brad Filippone
: > I just learned that fug was a dance..
: >
: I thought the dance was called the "frug." Because you couldn't say fruck in
: those days either.
Could you say that a girl had fruggles on her face?
The Other Brad
ESolomonso
>Date: 06/06/2003 9:15 PM
>and the lyrics went something like:
>: "That fugging dirty old man."
>
>Try Hemmingway. I seem to recall the word "obscenity" appearing in place
>of the bad words.
>
?
Brad Filippone
: >al...@chebucto.ns.ca (Brad Filippone)
: >Date: 06/06/2003 9:15 PM
: >and the lyrics went something like:
: >: "That fugging dirty old man."
: >
: >Try Hemmingway. I seem to recall the word "obscenity" appearing in place
: >of the bad words.
: >
: ?
Of course I may have read a cencored copy.
The Other Brad
MOFTAP
>There's a station here in Canada that runs episodes of "Your Show of
>Shows." I keep wondering which sketches elsig had a hand in writing
If I'm not mistaken (and Elsig, please forgive me if I'm putting words in your
mouth), he he did not work on "Your Show of Shows." The show he wrote for was
called, "Caesar's Hour".
Becca
Brad Filippone
: The Other Brad wrote:
Larry's name is in the credits of "You Show of Shows" It is Sid Caesar's
show though.
The Other Brad
ESolomonso
>Date: 06/07/2003 1:04 AM
>: >Try Hemmingway. I seem to recall the word "obscenity" appearing in place
>: >of the bad words.
>: >
>: ?
>Of course I may have read a cencored copy.
OK. Now I understand what you meant.
Did they really do that?
MOFTAP
>Larry's name is in the credits of "You Show of Shows" It is Sid Caesar's
>show though.
>
That is weird because several times on this newsgroup it has been stated that
LG did not work on Your Show of Shows. In fact, about a year ago an interview
with LG was posted on the newsgroup in which he stated:
GELBART: I had a great experience. I did not work on Your Show of Shows – I
worked on Caesar's Hour. That's usually a point of contention with people who
worked on Your Show of Shows, who
rightfully don't want to share the credit with people who weren't there.
Becca
Gary
> Since this is 2003 and not 1948, l can tell you that "fug" was a substitute for
> "fuck."
>
> LG
I thought it was "slake". Speaking of the episode "Springtime", I
have a pretty obscure question that anyone can answer but perhaps only
Elsig can...
In the episode "Love Story", Radar gets a "Dear John" recording. The
voice of his fiancee, Linda Sue, sounds familiar but the voice is
uncredited. When I watch "Sprintime", Mary Kay Place's voice (guest
stars as Lt. Louise Simmons and co-wrote the episode) sounds like a
possible match. Who does the voice for Linda Sue?
Hey, here's a Love Story - Springtime connection. The girl Radar
falls for in Love Story is Lt. LOUISE Anderson and the one in
Springtime is Lt. LOUISE Simmons. Now that's obscure :-)
Also, the voices on the radio in the episode Springtime for both
Klinger's bride Lavern and the lady talking about corn bread while
Henry is trying to fix the radio's reception sound a lot alike. They
even sound a lot like Linda Sue from Love Story. Hmm -- I think I'm
becoming obsessed with uncredited mystery voices.
Gary
ShandaRose
anyways.
Brad Filippone
: The Other Brad wrote:
I just watched it again yesterday. Technically, what they're running is
"The best of Your Show of Shows" and it's hosted by Sid Caesar. Perhaps
he combined sketches from both shows to make this retrospective series.
And I double checked, Larry's name was indeed in the credits, along with
a slew of other writers.
The main sketches they showed yesterday were (1) Sid's wife (Imogene Coca)
suspicious about a perfume scented letter that arrived, (2) a pantomime
sketch with Sid playing a rude fidgety movie theater patron irritating
fellow movie goer (Coca agaon) and (3) a sketch done in a blend of Elgnish
and French with Coca playing a girl seeing off her soldier boyfriend to
war, only it turns out she's sending off TWO lovers who just find out
about each other for the first time.
The Other Brad
Geoff Wheeler
"Elsig" <el...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > "It's got that word in it!"
>
> The word was "fug." The actual word was not allowed to be printed in
1948.
Ah yes, I suspected it might have been that word, but I had to be sure!
<snip>
> >Maybe this was part of the censorship battle with the network over using
the
> word "virgin" on screen?
You know, as an Aussie born in 1960, and a regular viewer of tv shows and
movies about wars, I always had this idea that wars were pretty 'clean', at
least the language in use then was clean.
Saving Private Ryan changed all that!
Anyhow, thanks very much for all the responses to this question.
Beers and cheers,
Geoff
yesr...@ivwnet.com
That's what I always thought, too. In fact, I asked that in here once
upon a time, but never got an answer.
YesRules
ShandaRose
>Cripes! What have I started?
>
shame
ah well -- it HAS become an interesting thread, to say the least ;-)
Shanda
who is still confused
but that goes with the blond territory I live in, I guess
Elsig
I keep wondering which sketches elsig had a hand in writing.
>
None.
I did not work on Your Show of Shows.
I worked Caesar's Hour for two seasons (78 hour-long shows).
LG
Elsig
mouth), he he did not work on "Your Show of Shows." The show he wrote for
was called, "Caesar's Hour".
>
Right, Becca. Thanks.
If you can room in my mouth for any more words, feel free to put them in.
LG
Elsig
though.
>
I believe the not came undone in your first sentence.
LG
Elsig
Your Show of Shows.
>
If you live long enough, people think you wrote everything from the Dead Sea
scrolls on.
LG
Elsig
with it (except the enjoyment of watching).
LG
Elsig
have a pretty obscure question that anyone can answer but perhaps only
Elsig can...
In the episode "Love Story", Radar gets a "Dear John" recording. The voice of
his fiancee, Linda Sue, sounds familiar but the voice is uncredited. When I
watch "Sprintime", Mary Kay Place's voice (guest stars as Lt. Louise Simmons
and co-wrote the episode) sounds like a
possible match. Who does the voice for Linda Sue?
>
The voice did not belong to Mary Kay Place nor can l place whose voice it
really was.
LG
RNeill22
>From: el...@aol.com (Elsig)
>If you live long enough, people think you wrote everything from the Dead Sea
>scrolls on.
>
>LG
>
LOL! So true and so funny.
David Brunt
> If you live long enough, people think you wrote everything from the
> Dead Sea scrolls on.
Wow, that'd be some residual cheque...
PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
: "Elsig" <el...@aol.com> wrote
:> If you live long enough, people think you wrote everything from the
:> Dead Sea scrolls on.
:
: Wow, that'd be some residual cheque...
The Dead Sea Scrolls have passed into public domain by now. Haven't they?
Is the text of the Bono Bill online?
Paul Gadzikowski, scar...@iglou.com since 1995
http://members.iglou.com/scarfman
I don't have the gripes with the last two seasons of BVS that some people
do; but, as I look back on them, I have a hard time shaking the impression
that Buffy wasn't in them.
Elsig
the text of the Bono Bill online?
>
I still own the copyright on the Scrolls. It's Bono that has expired.
LG
ShandaRose
David Brunt
So who gets Bono's Cher?
ESolomonso
>Date: 06/09/2003 11:59 AM
>If you can room in my mouth for any more words, feel free to put them in.
>
>LG
Writing for Will & Grace?
Elsig
>>If you can FIND room in my mouth for any more words, feel free to put them
in.
LG
ShandaRose
hmmm I was planning the living room, kitchen, den ...
burd
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> He was kind and generous with his time and his wife
>Mary kept a low profile. "Baby don't go, pretty baby
>don't go.
> burd
>
>
vb
You mean you didn't???
V.B.
Elsig
>Sea
>> scrolls on.
>>
>> LG
>>
>
>You mean you didn't???
>
>V.B.
>
Just the First Draft.
LG
Gary
>
> In the episode "Love Story", Radar gets a "Dear John" recording. The voice of
> his fiancee, Linda Sue, sounds familiar but the voice is uncredited. When I
> for Linda Sue?
> >
>
> The voice did not belong to Mary Kay Place nor can l place whose voice it
> really was.
>
> LG
Thanks for the response. The woman's voice on Radar's recording in
Love Story sounded familiar. Then when I watched Springtime I thought
there might be a connection.
Gary
Joe Gillis
The male voice sounds like Dennis Fimple (Sparky) to me.
=================================================
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walter sobchak
F.U.
It took me two hours to figure out that F.U meant
Felix Unger!
Brad Filippone
: x-no-archive: yes
: >We're all out of corn flakes.
: >
: >F.U.
: >
: >It took me two hours to figure out that F.U meant
: >Felix Unger!
: Was this used only in the movie or did it make it to the TV series also?
It dates back to before the movie. It's in the play.
The Other Brad
yesrules
>x-no-archive: yes
> Was this used only in the movie or did it make it to the TV series also?
Neither. It was from "The Odd Couple". <g>
YesRules
Gary
> >
> >> In the episode "Love Story", Radar gets a "Dear John" recording. The voice
> of
> >> his fiancee, Linda Sue, sounds familiar
> The male voice sounds like Dennis Fimple (Sparky) to me.
>
>
>
and the character sparky is introduced in the episode "tuttle", which
is episode 15 -- right after "love story" episode 14.