..."Without love, what are we worth? 89 cents. ... 89 cents worth of
chemicals walking around lonely ..." Captain Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye"
Pierce
That's right. It was explained. It was a talent night rehursal. It didn't
need to be followed up.
--
Brad
You know, sometimes it scares me to know the answers to some questions ... like
I obsess about mash too much.
Take me watching tv -- I go through the listings of movies, etc. more than I
watch tv, because I can read all the descriptions with digital cable ... if I
see something with a mash character or something elsig directed, I tend to
watch it ... but if it is just a regular movie, I usually won't watch it. I'm
fickle that way, I guess. Like yesterday-- watched Canadian Bacon and then
right after that, The Killing Yard (both starring Alan Alda) .. and I will
watch Oh God and Blame It On Rio, to support our beloved elsig ... I think I
need a brain transplant
"Any coward can fight a battle when he is sure of winning" ... George Eliot
> That's right. It was explained. It was a talent night rehursal. It didn't
> need to be followed up.
But this was never confirmed. It could be an excuse to cover up
behavior.. like when Klinger was "pregnant" in front of the General.
When I first saw it on DVD, I was left with the impression that the
writers wanted it left open. It doesn't relate with anything else in the
episode (or series) AT ALL.
>> > >Does anyone know why this scene was included and what the hell
>> > >Klinger and Radar were really doing?
>
>> That's right. It was explained. It was a talent night rehursal. It didn't
>> need to be followed up.
>
> But this was never confirmed.
Not in so many words, but the 4077 did indeed have a talent night. (Margaret
singing My Blue Heaven) It was in one of the three Dear Dad eps. (I think Dear
Dad Again)
It very plausible that they were rehearsing for a talent night. Klinger and
Radar were always seen with women, never men on a date.
Having said that, confirmation can be inferred.
>It could be an excuse to cover up
>behavior.. like when Klinger was "pregnant" in front of the General
He was also in a WAC uniform in front of Gen. Barker. Barker said "Still trying
to get a section 8" and then Klinger was naked in front of him.
There was no cover-up for anything. All he wanted was out and kept trying
different ways to achieve that goal like a big red bird with fuzzy pink feet,
being Moses, a Nun, The Statue of Liberty, etc.
The only behavior was Klinger trying to get his section 8. I never took that
scene with Klinger and Radar as anything but a rehearsal for talent night.
> When I first saw it on DVD, I was left with the impression that the
>writers wanted it left open.
IMO, there was nothing left open. Klinger was married and, as I said above,
Klinger and Radar were always with women. For this to be anything other than
what it is would have been completely out of character for them.
> It doesn't relate with anything else in the
>episode (or series) AT ALL.
>
Sure does. As I said, there was a talent night in one of the Dear Dad eps
(Margaret singing My Blue Heaven) and it's very plausible that they were
rehearsing.
It relates with regard to Sydney Freedman. He told Klinger to sign his
evaluation and he'll get his section 8. When Sidney said that he found Klinger
to be a homosexual and a cross-dresser, Klinger went nuts. He said: "I'm not
any of those things. All I want is to get out of the army." As bad as Klinger
wanted out, he refused to sign.
So again, confirmation can be inferred.
Then again, this is my take on it.
Eddie
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If I want to chew the fat, I'll eat a sandwich.
It's just a joke. Comedy doesn't need explanation at all. You get your laugh
and you move on.
--
Brad
Take mine. It's in pretty good shape. Only had one owner.
LG
;)
> Sure does. As I said, there was a talent night in one of the Dear Dad eps
> (Margaret singing My Blue Heaven) and it's very plausible that they were
> rehearsing.
I was referring to the act of proposing, not the act of rehearsing. My
point was that here is no other mention that Radar and Klinger are a couple.
> IMO, there was nothing left open. Klinger was married and, as I said
above,
> Klinger and Radar were always with women. For this to be anything other
than
> what it is would have been completely out of character for them.
Well, I think it was left VERY wide open. Let's start with Klinger,
first of all let me say that I believe there is sufficient evidence to prove
that he is completely straight, despite his dress wearing. He was married,
he fell in love with Debbie dreaming of marriage, and so on.
Radar is another story. I think this is left open, but although I believe
that if we cross-reference his act of proposing to Klinger with selected
other acts, it is possible to extrapolate a personality profile that
indicates that not only is he gay, but also a pedophile.
I do not mean to slander his character, the actor/writers or to put filth
into this newsgroup, but let's make a critical analysis of some of his
behavior. First of all, he sleeps with a teddy bear. What does a nineteen
year old man do with a teddy bear? Why would Frank be reluctant to search
it for the missing money? (I'd say why, but this is a family newsgroup)
Why would Radar be so upset when Klinger borrows it or Korean kids steal it?
Actually a teddy bear is a sign of homosexuality, much like a rainbow,
although less well known. It is somewhat of a signal to others, a discreet
invitation, to display a teddy bear in public workspaces to designate that
one is gay.
Speaking of kids, why does Radar spend so much free time with them? Why
did he sleep with one in "The Kids"? I don't think it was the child's idea.
Sure, you could argue that Radar had a girlfriend in the states and that he
chased women (in his own way) in the Army, but remember, many elements in
the first seasons are dropped later on to develop a character's profile,
such as the sister for Hawkeye. The writers would think nothing of giving
Radar a girlfriend at some point and then changing that later.
Besides... the fact remains: He is a virgin... abnormal for a nineteen
year old, especially one in the Army. Were he truly attracted such toward
women, this likely would not be so.
In conclusion, back to the original scene, I believe that Radar was totally
serious, there was no "rehearsal" and that Klinger was going along with it
since he wanted Radar to believe that he was weird.
I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE feedback.
>
> Radar is another story. I think this is left open, but although I believe
> that if we cross-reference his act of proposing to Klinger with selected
> other acts, it is possible to extrapolate a personality profile that
> indicates that not only is he gay, but also a pedophile.
>
etc etc
>
> In conclusion, back to the original scene, I believe that Radar was
totally
> serious, there was no "rehearsal" and that Klinger was going along with it
> since he wanted Radar to believe that he was weird.
>
> I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE feedback.
This is all a joke, right?
--
Brad
Probably more like a troll.
WHOA! Either you're reading way too much into something not there, or I'm
hearing you out of the wrong end of the binoculars.
It's obviously been well-maintained. But there's no way you can convince
this crowd that you only drove it on Sundays.
Paul Gadzikowski, scar...@iglou.com since 1995
http://members.iglou.com/scarfman - new cartoons August 29
"A true work of art takes at least an hour."
: Actually a teddy bear is a sign of homosexuality, much like a rainbow,
: although less well known. It is somewhat of a signal to others, a discreet
: invitation, to display a teddy bear in public workspaces to designate that
: one is gay.
But was it in the 50s? And even if it was, how would an ignorant Iowa farm
boy learn something so poorly known? I'm 43 in 2003 and I didn't know
about rainbows till now.
: Speaking of kids, why does Radar spend so much free time with them? Why
: did he sleep with one in "The Kids"? I don't think it was the child's idea.
Why is it significant that Radar did when everyone in the camp was doing
it, from lack of bunkspace? As for how he spent his free time, if you
argue that he was a pedophile you must also argue that he was into
bestiality.
: Besides... the fact remains: He is a virgin... abnormal for a nineteen
: year old, especially one in the Army. Were he truly attracted such toward
: women, this likely would not be so.
Arguably likely, but far, far from conclusively. I was twenty-three.
: In conclusion, back to the original scene, I believe that Radar was totally
: serious, there was no "rehearsal" and that Klinger was going along with it
: since he wanted Radar to believe that he was weird.
Vis-a-vis Radar I see the holes in your argument cited above. In re:
Klinger, I think your argument falls down at "since he wanted Radar to
believe he was weird". As was previously cited on this thread, Klinger's
interviews with Milton Freedman in 'Radar's Report' show that Klinger,
despite trading desperately on weirdness in what he considered a matter of
survival, was adamantly unwilling to be thought that particular flavor of
weird.
You could argue instead that Klinger went along, for the few moments that
he and Radar were in that scene, because he was surprised and taken aback
and didn't know what else to do when they were walked in on; and that,
from then on, he refused to admit that it had ever happened - perhaps to
Radar, perhaps even to himself. Then maybe you'd have a case, at least for
Radar.
Do you think he's a troll who already watched M*A*S*H, or a troll who
started watching M*A*S*H in order to troll here?
>Why is it significant that Radar did when everyone in the camp was doing
>it, from lack of bunkspace? As for how he spent his free time, if you
>argue that he was a pedophile you must also argue that he was into
>bestiality.
That's a better argument. After all, Charles Lamb was on his way to Iowa to
become Radar's little brother.
BTW, every time I listen to Henry say that, I crack up!
I don't think Radar would KNOW what it was to be gay. His mother probably
would have influenced him so much about meeting a nice girl, etc., that he
wouldn't think twice. Even being in the army for 8 years, I think he would
feel disgraceful and disrespectful toward his mother.
What? I do not believe that this was ever reveal or implied. :-)
I think you're forgetting about all the sexual tension between him and
Hot Lips.. errr.. I mean, Margaret. There were a number of times when
they were on the verge of jumping each other, but never did.
**COUGH, COUGH**
> Other than that, no mentions of a girlfriend or wife back home, he wasn't
seen
> with a girl at the camp. So he has some secret...everyone else either
fooled
> around or constantly nagged about other halves at home. Unless I'm
forgetting
> about some other episode(s).
Well, there was the French lady in "Foreign Affairs". He had to give her up
because she posed nude in a painting years ago. Before that there was the
"lady of the evening" he "befriended" in "Aint Love Grand".
--
Brad
>Well, there was the French lady in "Foreign Affairs". He had to give her up
>because she posed nude in a painting years ago.
Didn't she live with someone out of wedlock?
>> Everyone knows the only homosexual in MASH was Winchester.
>
> What? I do not believe that this was ever reveal or implied. :-)
>
It wasn't implied with Radar or Klinger either. We know that Klinger went out
with girls. We saw it and he later got married to Lavern. Radar, with his Teddy
bear and rainbows went out with girls. He fooled around with the nurse in The
Army-Navy Game, was "slaked" in Springtime, wanted to go out with Nurse Murphy
in For Want Of A Boot, and had at least two female pen-pals. It was implied
that he liked a girl back home in a letter from his mother and there was the
girl at MATS he met.
However, it was Henry who twice was kissed on the lips by men and no inference
was ever made to him being gay because he wasn't. Both times were a goof.
That's right, it was more the living out of wedlock than the nude painting
IIRC.
But apparently it's ok to "pitch woo" with a business girl from Rosie's Bar.
hmmm.
--
Brad
>
> However, it was Henry who twice was kissed on the lips by men and no
inference
> was ever made to him being gay because he wasn't. Both times were a goof.
Same goes for Hawkeye. He planted one on Frank at the end of "Major Fred C
Dobbs". He thought Frank was a nurse.
--
Brad
>Same goes for Hawkeye. He planted one on Frank at the end of "Major Fred C
>Dobbs". He thought Frank was a nurse.
>
Ah, I forgot that one.
>and there was the
>girl at MATS he met.
Was that Patty Haven? I never trusted her.
>>and there was the
>>girl at MATS he met.
>
>Was that Patty Haven? I never trusted her.
>
>
I don't know.
Nah, I do'nt think he is gay, rather he is not married nor has a
girlfriend since he is such a snob. His whole family probably are snobs
also, apparently Honoria is not married either since she still lives at
home.
And since the B plot in 'Bottle Fatigue' concerns her engagement which
falls through.
... "'Boston', Massachusetts?"
Pleas be to you for refeshing my memory.. I can't quite place this story
myself. What happened?
Honoria was about to wed an Italian, which outraged Charles who tried to
stop it. In the end the family of the Italian gentleman had the wedding
stopped. An important lesson was learned.
Actually this episode has one of my all time favourite Charles scenes. A
drunken letter to his sister: "I await with baited garlic breath... "
Charles in top form.
--
Brad
'Bottle Fatigue' is the episode in which Hawkeye gives up drinking. The B
plot concerns Charles' attempts to dissuade Honoria from, or perhaps even
sabotage, her engagement to an Italian. In the end the prospective groom's
family disallow him to marry outside his faith and Charles realizes what a
boor he's been.
> That's a better argument. After all, Charles Lamb was on his way to Iowa
to
> become Radar's little brother.
> BTW, every time I listen to Henry say that, I crack up!
I know what you mean Eddie, it's like automatic laugh mode kicks in.
> It wasn't implied with Radar or Klinger either. We know that Klinger went
out
> with girls.
Probably stealing their clothes.
>After all, Charles Lamb was on his way to Iowa
>to
>> become Radar's little brother.
>> BTW, every time I listen to Henry say that, I crack up!
>
>I know what you mean Eddie, it's like automatic laugh mode kicks in.
The whole scene is great. In fact, the whole ep is a favorite of mine!
It's a fave of mine too, not only because it's great but also because it's
one of those eps I can clearly remember watching first run. I can still see
my dad busting a gut when Henry went face down in the spam lamb. Ah to watch
them fresh and new again.
i would love to
for you have done what i have only dream of
for the last 5 years i have been tring to write a book but can not seem to
do it ( and to tell the truth not a lack of time)
if you do not mind
can you tell me how do you really start one
peter
> for the last 5 years i have been tring to write a book but can not seem to
>do it ( and to tell the truth not a lack of time)
>
>
> if you do not mind
>can you tell me how do you really start one
Start with chapter 1. :-)
...and don't stop, till you get to the hairpins. ;-)
>>"news" stingr...@hotmail.com
>>Date: 08/19/2003 2:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>> for the last 5 years i have been tring to write a book but can not seem to
>>do it ( and to tell the truth not a lack of time)
>>
>> if you do not mind
>>can you tell me how do you really start one
>Start with chapter 1. :-)
That's been one to death. Try starting with Chapter 6. And skip
Chapter 10 altogether; no book has needed one yet.
Joseph Nebus
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Just unlock whatever ideas, characters, insights you have and get them on paper
(or on your monitor, or wherever) and get used to the idea of seeing your words
in front of you.
Maybe the work will turn into a book, maybe not. Writers need as much practice
as athletes do.
LG
>Maybe the work will turn into a book, maybe not. Writers need as much
>practice
>as athletes do.
>
>LG
10 laps around the dictionary every morning ought to do it.
Raibu Robo wrote:
> That Radar analysis is rubbish. The explanation for his behavior is his roots.
> He's a farm boy, soft at heart. I imagine other than the war, he'd never been
> far from his mother's side for a long period of time. Living on a farm in
> nowhere, while at home forever, Radar's been held back a little. Held back from
> having the adult world eat his soul away, never getting a chance to grow up.
> He's still a kid, hence the teddy bear, his love of animals, other kids.
>
> Radar's not gay. A bit of a mama's boy, maybe.
>
> Everyone knows the only homosexual in MASH was Winchester. Maybe Ugly John.
When did they say that Winchester was homosexual?
I never knew being a connoisseur of good wine, food and clothes classified you as
being gay?
guess a lot coffee well be needed
peter
Mary
It just makes you suspect. God's cosmic joke, I suppose.
Mary
Here's a new vocabulary word I just came across: Metrosexual
The Orlando Sentinel
August 1, 2003
There has been considerable chatter of late about a word recently introduced
into the lexicon of single life: metrosexual.
A metrosexual is single.
A metrosexual is neat.
A metrosexual is refined.
A metrosexual spends more money than is practical on beauty products and
Italian shoes.
But while his sense of style steps into areas once occupied by the gay
community, the metrosexual is really looking for women -- and also looking
out for himself.
Metrosexuality is defined by the WordSpy Web site as "a dandyish narcissist
in love with not only himself but also his urban lifestyle."
Though the word may have been coined years ago, it is experiencing a
renaissance as more guys begin paying attention to how they display
themselves.
A New York Times piece described the metrosexual as a man who pays close
attention to his appearance and physique and who often favors the finer
things in life, preferring to sip an expensive cocktail at a posh club
rather than sit home with a six-pack and the TV tuned to baseball.
Metrosexual is a term that loosely helps stereotype men you think are gay
until they turn around and steal your girlfriend during the seventh-inning
stretch.
...
Becca
"Mary C." wrote:
So he could have been or not have been....only the writers knew for sure?
MOFTAP wrote:
Thank you Becca....that sounds like Charles....
*cough cough*
Without love, what are we worth? 89 cents. 89 cents worth of chemicals
walking around lonely... Hawkeye Pierce
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| So he could have been or not have been....only the writers knew for sure?
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Does it matter?
--
-Elf-
URL: http://www.elfworld.org/ IRC: Elf/Alv
I'm not afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens.
"Hogne B. Pettersen" wrote:
Not to me.....I am just glad that he was there....
When he taught the group of prisoners to play his favorite music....and they
goofed it up time after time until they were being taken away.....than they
graced their mentor with the most beautiful music that brought Charles to
tears....He was human after all underneath that name....
He also wasn't such an easy foil for Hawkeye....