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Burns a Major, Why?

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johnq...@hotmail.com

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Apr 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/14/99
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I never did know whether Frank Burns was "regular Army" or a draftee.
If he was a draftee, why was he made a major and Hawk, a captain?

Was it because Hawk was fresh out of residency and Frank had a
practice?


Kagy

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Apr 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/14/99
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Maybe but i bet it was because he kissed butt

David Brunt

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johnq...@hotmail.com wrote in message <37140279...@news3.ibm.net>...

>I never did know whether Frank Burns was "regular Army" or a draftee.
>If he was a draftee, why was he made a major and Hawk, a captain?
>
>Was it because Hawk was fresh out of residency and Frank had a
>practice?


Probably age - he appeared to be several years older than Hawk and Trapper.

He also - IIRC - had been in Korea for longer, so could well have been promoted.

Not to mention boot (and anything else) licking.

David


Mikael Uhlin

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Apr 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/14/99
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When Hawkeye and Duke arrives at the 4077th in the original MASH-novel,
they are placed in the tent they soon will transform into "The Swamp". But
first they get rid of the very religious surgeon that lives there, Jonathan
Hobson, and he is a major.
Frank Burns is a captain who doesn't live in the Swamp. Frank is leading
one of the two surgical teams that the 4077th consists of. Hawkeye leads
the other.
In the movie, Hobson and Burns are combined, making Frank Burns a religious
major and the original inhabitant of the Swamp.

/Mikael


spearchucker jones

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Apr 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/14/99
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Hawkeye was also in an active practice... "I sometimes take kittens for a
fee".
I think it was done for effect-more conflict-no real answer.
Gelbart might have the real (storyline) answer.
Painless

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Matt J. McCullar

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Apr 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/15/99
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johnq...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I never did know whether Frank Burns was "regular Army" or a draftee.
> If he was a draftee, why was he made a major and Hawk, a captain?
>
> Was it because Hawk was fresh out of residency and Frank had a
> practice?

That sounds about right. "I was suing patients for non-payment before
you even THOUGHT about being a doctor!"

I think the real reason, though, is that his higher rank gave more
opportunities for conflict and humor.

Elsig

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Apr 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/15/99
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>Hawkeye was also in an active practice... "I sometimes take kittens for a
fee".
>I think it was done for effect-more conflict-no real answer.
>Gelbart might have the real (storyline) answer.

I'm not sure I understand the question.

Larry G.

johnq...@hotmail.com

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Apr 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM4/15/99
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>
>I'm not sure I understand the question.
>
>Larry G.
>
>
The question I posed to the group was: Why is Burns a Major, yet
Hawkeye a Captain? Is it because of:
Burns is regular army
Burns was drafted before Hawk
Hawk was still in residency when drafted
or
For the sake of comedic situations, it's better to bounce jokes off
"authority" figures, if one could consider Burns one. (As we all
know, Burns considered himself quite the authority.)

After reading some of the other posts, I now think the latter is true

Abigail

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Jun 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/5/99
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David Brunt (D...@btinternet.com) wrote on MMLII September MCMXCIII in
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++ johnq...@hotmail.com wrote in message <37140279...@news3.ibm.net>...
++ >I never did know whether Frank Burns was "regular Army" or a draftee.
++ >If he was a draftee, why was he made a major and Hawk, a captain?
++ >
++ >Was it because Hawk was fresh out of residency and Frank had a
++ >practice?
++
++
++ Probably age - he appeared to be several years older than Hawk and Trapper.
++
++ He also - IIRC - had been in Korea for longer, so could well have been promoted.
++
++ Not to mention boot (and anything else) licking.


Why does this question always come up with Frank being a major and
Trapper and Hawk begin captains, while Henry was a draftee too, and he
was a lt. colonel? Or why is Klinger a corporal, but Igor a private?

The real reason that Frank was a major is of course that it fitted
better in the storylines. "I got oakleaves!"


Abigail


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David Long

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Jun 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/5/99
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Abigail wrote:
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> Why does this question always come up with Frank being a major and
> Trapper and Hawk begin captains, while Henry was a draftee too, and he
> was a lt. colonel? Or why is Klinger a corporal, but Igor a private?
>
> The real reason that Frank was a major is of course that it fitted
> better in the storylines. "I got oakleaves!"
>
> Abigail

Very true. After all, Burns was a Captain in the original novel. My
guess would be that more people are surprised/offended that someone like
Frank would be a higher rank.

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CANYR12

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Jun 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/6/99
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>Or why is Klinger a corporal, but Igor a private?
>

I always thought that maybe it had something to do with education. Like maybe
Klinger had finished high school and Igor was a dropout?

CJ

Abigail

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Jun 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/6/99
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CANYR12 (can...@aol.com) wrote on MMCV September MCMXCIII in
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++ >Or why is Klinger a corporal, but Igor a private?
++ >
++
++ I always thought that maybe it had something to do with education. Like maybe
++ Klinger had finished high school and Igor was a dropout?


You mean that every private in Korea was a highschool dropout?


Doesn't sound like a very logical explaination to me.


Also note that Radar at one point in time was doing a highschool
exam, meaning he didn't finish highschool, yet he's a corporal.

CANYR12

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Jun 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/7/99
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>Doesn't sound like a very logical explaination to me.

Logic is not always one of my strong suits. It was just a possible
explanation. I remember in one of the episodes, probably Bug Out, when Hawkeye
tells the private that he's not giving up his chair, the kid looks confused and
says "Doc, I never even graduated high school." So that was where it came
from.

CJ

Alison & Tommy Eastland

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Jun 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/9/99
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I have no problems with Frank being a Major having served in the
military myself. Rank needs not, and rarely does, reflect competence,
ability, or talent.
Hawkeye had no interest in promotion, whilst Frank would have
brown-nosed at every opportunity.

Bernie

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Jun 12, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/12/99
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Very good point, and I agree. Someone like Hawkeye (with all his
pranks) would have probably been busted down as far as the system
could possibly take him while still keeping his services as a surgeon,
while someone like Frank would have a higher rank.

Not just in the military, but in life in general usually the people
who really WANT to higher ranks will eventually get their, while those
that don't care about formal designations are less likely to get
promoted.

Remember also in one episode we learned that Frank cheated to get
where he is career-wise (I believe the price was $400 for all the
answers to the MD exam?), so nothing would stop him from pursuing
higher ranks using unethical methods like this.

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