Margaret's Engagement and Wedding
mod...@my-deja.com
saw a post from April 1999 where someone said the final scene was Frank
and Hawkeye and BJ discussing Margaret's honeymoon. The final scene
shown on reruns is where Frank watches the helicopter leave and quietly
says, 'goodbye, Margaret'. Also, in the episode of Margaret's
engagement, when Frank talks to her in her tent, her finger is bandaged.
I seem to remember that Frank "accidently" cut her finger during
surgery, or what happened?
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Mikael Uhlin
>I saw a post from April 1999 where someone said the final scene was Frank
>and Hawkeye and BJ discussing Margaret's honeymoon.
I've posted this before and this is what happens; the scene is just over a
minute long. Frank is in centre, dressed in underwear and with an empty
stare, sitting with Hawkeye, BJ and Potter in the Swamp;
HAWKEYE: Feel allright, Frank?
FRANK: Oh, I feel great. You guys don't have to sit up with me like I'm a
baby or something.
POTTER: You're entitled to a little sympathy under the circumstances. After
all you've just lost a close friend.
FRANK: Oh, I don't feel badly. I'm really very happy for Margaret.
HAWKEYE: That's great, Frank. That's healthy.
FRANK: Sure! I just wish she'd been a little more cautious. You know, I hate
to see a girl, only been in the army 18 years, rush off and marry the second
real man she ever met.
(pause while Hawkeye, Potter and BJ are looking at each others in disbelief)
HAWKEYE: What time is it in Tokyo now?
BJ: ...mmm..about 10 o'clock.
HAWKEYE: ....oh well....they'd probably finished dinner by now.....had a few
drinks....
BJ:.....stroll through the Japanese garden at the hotel....
POTTER: Those gardens are very romantic, you know....
HAWKEYE: Oh yeah.....they're probably....wandering over...towards the
elevators now...
(Frank raises and leaves)
BJ: Where you going, Frank?
FRANK: I don't know. Ah.....just felt like grabbing a cold shower.
POTTER: It's not a bad idea.
(Everyone raises and leaves)
Mikael Uhlin
>Has anyone ever seen the original uncut episode of Margaret's Wedding?
I have!
>I saw a post from April 1999 where someone said the final scene was Frank
>and Hawkeye and BJ discussing Margaret's honeymoon.
Yes. And Potter was there as well.
>The final scene shown on reruns is where Frank watches the helicopter
>leave and quietly says, 'goodbye, Margaret'.
A very emotional scene.
David Long
"Mikael Uhlin" <u-l...@telia.com> wrote:
> mod...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >I saw a post from April 1999 where someone said the final scene was
Frank
> >and Hawkeye and BJ discussing Margaret's honeymoon.
>
To go along with that, I've got a picture and sound of the scene in the
"MASHed Scenes" section of my site
(http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/5576/). The link is in the
"Pictures and Sounds" part of the home page.
Abyssinia,
David Long
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Brad
> Has anyone ever seen the original uncut episode of Margaret's
> Wedding?
Yes. And 'Margaret's Engagement' too. Those scenes are always in the
shows when I see them.
Frank jabbed Margaret's finger with a scalpel because she was going on
and on about Donald without any thought of Frank's feelings.
Brad
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mod...@my-deja.com
Brad <whitf0rd...@eisa.net.au.invalid> wrote:
> In article <7v74q9$1ra$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, mod...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Has anyone ever seen the original uncut episode of Margaret's
> > Wedding?
>
> Yes. And 'Margaret's Engagement' too. Those scenes are always in the
> shows when I see them.
>
> Frank jabbed Margaret's finger with a scalpel because she was going on
> and on about Donald without any thought of Frank's feelings.
>
> Brad
>
Serves Margaret right...Margaret never stopped talking about Donald
every time Frank was around. I never understood how she could dump Frank
and get engaged to Donald over one weekend.
Brad
<lkwe...@idcomm.com> wrote:
I never understood how she could
> dump
> Frank
> <br>and get engaged to Donald over one weekend.</blockquote>
> </html>
I could never understand how she could get divorced in one weekend.
I think they were both pathetic. Why would Margaret fool around with a
married man? Frank never promised her anything. Margaret could've had
her pick of the Generals, but she chose Frank. He was convenient. He
was there. He was also a Major. She like the military type and Frank
was the only one available at the 4077.
livola tamm
I am not sure of my timeline but didn't she come back from her
honeymoon in the beginning of season 6 and by the end
of that year they were getting divorced? Correct me
because I haven't seen all of those middle of the
series episodes...and lost access to fX.
Why did they get divorced anyway?
Was it because of his fooling around?
Liv
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episode, "Peace on Us",
in which Hawk drives to the peace talks. Files the papers and it finally
comes through six or seven eps later, in the one
where she has Charles teach the nurses triage.
She divorces him because she realizes that he doesn't love her; she's his
trophy. When they have troubles,
rather than work them out, he got himself transferred permanently to San
Francisco, abandoning her in
Korea, in a war, demonstrating he doesn't even care at all for her, even as
a person.
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Buck Rojerz
>In article <11f733ec...@usw-ex0106-043.remarq.com>,
> Brad <whitf0rd...@eisa.net.au.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <7v74q9$1ra$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, mod...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> > Has anyone ever seen the original uncut episode of Margaret's
>> > Wedding?
>>
>> Yes. And 'Margaret's Engagement' too. Those scenes are always in the
>> shows when I see them.
>>
>> Frank jabbed Margaret's finger with a scalpel because she was going on
>> and on about Donald without any thought of Frank's feelings.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>
>Serves Margaret right...Margaret never stopped talking about Donald
>and get engaged to Donald over one weekend.
>
feelings. It was even a little cruel as well. I didn't like that part of
Margaret, because she was more intelligent and had a better heart than that.
buck
livola tamm
hasn't shown up yet...so, if it does later, sorry.
I never understood why Margaret was able to dump Donald
so fast either. I didn't get to see many of the married
to Donald years, so why did they break up? Was it
because he cheated on her ? I know he did once because of
that "In love and war" episode, but she said she'd take
him back after that one. What happened after that? I
don't get fX anymore so I am missing those episodes. Did
she cheat on him? And, if my timeline is right, weren't
they married for all of one season, if that?
thanks,
liv
JayZ755
>so fast either. I didn't get to see many of the married
>to Donald years, so why did they break up?
Frankly, the main reason seems to be that Loretta Swit didn't want the
character to be married.
Jay
Kim Chang~
> >Serves Margaret right...Margaret never stopped talking about Donald
> >every time Frank was around. I never understood how she could dump
Frank
> >and get engaged to Donald over one weekend.
> >
> You are right! I agree totally. She was very apathetic towards
Frank's
> feelings. It was even a little cruel as well. I didn't like that
part of
> Margaret, because she was more intelligent and had a better heart
than that.
>
> buck
>
>
It was an end of season thing. After the summer hiatus, the first
episode was Margaret's engagement (thus the last season that Larry
Linville would be on the show). Personally, I would probably do the
same thing that Margaret did! Think about it: what woman wants to be a
mistress instead of a wife? Plus, I think it shows a lot of growth on
the part of Margaret's character and the writers of the show: get rid
of a man who is treating her like dirt and make her mature as a woman.
I personally like Margaret's growth over time, from a tough, by-the-
book Army nurse, who through much personal suffering (especially with
men on the series) learns a lesson in self-respect.
There is also an interesting book about watching M*A*S*H as a social
commentary on our times. (I forget the title, but I'll try to post it
later on if I can find it again.) If we look at it in this context,
then we see the social change of men and women from the '70s--a time of
people using each other as human vibrators (cf. Hawkeye/Trapper chasing
nurses, Margaret with Frank, etc.), through the Equal Rights Amendment
era (women taking a more active role in the workforce, not just being
there as mere supporting cast for men). And finally, we see Margaret's
character ultimately as a reflection of the changing role of women's
societal status: someone who comes to equal her male counterparts on
the show.
I recall a memorable moment on one of the later shows in the series
where Margaret puts in a call to a general (with whom she'd had a
previous affair) to come look at her new program in which nurses handle
triage for the doctors. The general obviously thinks that Margaret has
put in a call to come look at MORE than just triage. Later, in her
tent, over a drink that she is about to share with this general,
Margaret's pride in her nurses is obvious. The general offers her a
promotion to lieutenant-colonel--IF she will become his mistress again.
Margaret berates him for thinking that she would go about the old
casting-couch method of being promoted, and lets him know in no
uncertain terms that she is proud of what she has accomplished on her
own merit. She throws him out of her tent, and turning back to the
drink that was interrupted by the general's indecent proposal, she
offers herself a toast: "Here's to me!"
--
Regards,
Kim Chang~
~"The only freedom I know is that of the mind."
(Antoine de Saint-Exupery)
Kim Chang~
M.A.S.H, Watching America: A Social History of the 1972-1983 Television
Series: With an Episode Guide" by James H. Wittebols, Copyright 1998
(McFarland & Company, Jefferson, NC), ISBN: 0786404574.
Just in case anyone wants to check it out.
Amy Burke
Frank said something to Hawkeye about the little redheaded nurse who's dream
was about to come true and then Margaret said wasn't she a little young for
him and Frank said, "Oh I don't know, I thought a little youth would be nice
for a change". Oh man, that was too funny!!
Amy
Elf
Yup, and that moment was one of the few were Hawk, Beej and Frank connected.
Wish they could've expanded a bit more on that during the season.
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really got her good that time" or sumthin' like that. Frank was too funnae!
Amy
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PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
: <lkwe...@idcomm.com> wrote:
: I never understood how she could
: > dump
: > Frank
: > <br>and get engaged to Donald over one weekend.</blockquote>
: > </html>
: I could never understand how she could get divorced in one weekend.
Well, she didn't. She started the divorce proceedings shortly after the
first story of year seven, "Peace on Us", and the final papers come near
the end of year eight in, if I remember correctly, "Hot Lips is Back In
Town".
: I think they were both pathetic. Why would Margaret fool around with a
: married man? Frank never promised her anything. Margaret could've had
: her pick of the Generals, but she chose Frank. He was convenient. He
: was there. He was also a Major. She like the military type and Frank
: was the only one available at the 4077.
B.J. once said they were half-people, who barely made up a whole person
between them.
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In the episode, Comrades in Arms, where Hawkeye and Margaret are lost
behind enemy lines, Margaret reads the letter that Donald accidentally
sent to her; it was from Donald to his girlfriend, Darlene. He says in
the letter "I'm sure you've heard I'm married. She will make an
excellent hostess when we are back in the States. All in all, a sturdy
woman." (I may be missing some of what was said in the letter.)
Brad
GADZIKOWSKI) wrote:
> : I could never understand how she could get divorced in one
> weekend.
> Well, she didn't. She started the divorce proceedings shortly
> after the
> first story of year seven, "Peace on Us", and the final papers
> come near
> the end of year eight in, if I remember correctly, "Hot Lips is
> Back In
> Town".
Really? Tell us more Dr M*A*S*H.