Harry Morgan Rumor Question
jimmy mills
there were rumors that Harry Morgan had beaten his wife and which I
find very hard to believe were there any truth to the rumors.
Just curious not trying to slander Harry cause I am a fan of his. Take
care
Hogne B. Pettersen
Yes, he did beat his wife. I'm not sure if he was convicted or not, but he
agreed to see counseling.
I'm _this_ close to put this in the faq....
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Oh Jeez
say "yes." But stress hits us all at one time or another and we all react
differently. My point being, he sought help and it would be nice to not have
it tag along following him.
I'm not trying to tell you how to run the FAQ. You do a great job. I'd just
hate to see that on Harry permanently, so to speak.
JD
Hogne B. Pettersen
| Just my 2 cents but I hope you won't. If this was an on-going situation, I'd
| say "yes." But stress hits us all at one time or another and we all react
| differently. My point being, he sought help and it would be nice to not have
| it tag along following him.
|
| I'm not trying to tell you how to run the FAQ. You do a great job. I'd just
| hate to see that on Harry permanently, so to speak.
|
Hey, no prob.
It's just that this question is brought up quite frequentely, and I get the
feel that more people than I are tired of it.
That's what an faq is for. :)
But I won't include it if it makes the majority here uneasy.
ESolomonso
>It's just that this question is brought up quite frequentely, and I get the
>feel that more people than I are tired of it.
>
>That's what an faq is for. :)
>
>But I won't include it if it makes the majority here uneasy.
Although it makes some of us uneasy, unfortunately, it's true.
This has nothing to do with Harry's acting on MASH but neither does Gary B's
hand.
Oh Jeez
MASH when people ask about camera angles and such. Harry's can't be connected
to the show in any way.
Again, just my 2 cents. I don't plan to boycott the FAQ if it's added <g>
JD
ESolomonso
>Date: 06/28/2001 1:56 PM Eastern
>I see your point, Eddie. *But* Gary's situation can be directly connected to
>MASH when people ask about camera angles and such. Harry's can't be
>connected
>to the show in any way.
>
>Again, just my 2 cents. I don't plan to boycott the FAQ if it's added <g>
Hi Jane,
I suppose you're correct and I wouldn't "boycott" the FAQ either. It was just
an opinion but if it can't be directly connected to the show, then it shouldn't
be added.
Eddie. With inflation, my 2 cents is now a nickle.
BTW: You didn't get back to me with regard to the question you sent me e-mail.
Ron Goch
Seems to me that this might be such a thing.
No one is arguing propriety or politeness of the question. But we are
discussing something that, while perhaps has been beat to death here, is of
interest to the casual and novice reader of this newsgroup. As such, why not in
the FAQ??
Just my two cents.
Ronnie G.
Oh Jeez
might. Just *another* 2 cents (or a bad attempt at being funny ... either way not
worth much <g>).
On the email note: I replied twice! What's up with that?? AOL I assume ...
If you have another email account you can send me, I'll send the reply to that
one.
JD
David Brunt
>I see your point, Eddie. *But* Gary's situation can be
>directly connected to MASH when people ask about
>camera angles and such. Harry's can't be connected
>to the show in any way.
>
>Again, just my 2 cents. I don't plan to boycott the FAQ if it's added <g>
Unfortunately, one of the problems with FAQs is that there are always some
jokers who read them and then think it'd be amusing to post them all back
at the group. I'm sure that's where most of the bear and hand questions
originate as they seem too frequent to be general queries.
So, in my opinion, putting the Harry item in may end up getting it on here
far more often...
David
Mibbitmaker
an act of nature, whereas Harry hitting his wife was a deliberate act. I'm glad
he got councelling, it makes it alittle more forgivable.
unit14
>Just curious not trying to slander Harry cause
>I am a fan of his. Take care
Yeah, but that's just what you're doing by making others aware of it
with "wife beater" suppositions like that one. Up until now, I wasn't.
As far as I'm concerned, it's none of my business, I don't want to know,
and maybe she deserved it.
Coincidentally, I saw Harry play the part of a visiting grandfather on a
recent sitcom. It was weird to see him in civilian attire looking quite
a bit older, but what really struck me was that there was no Colonel
Potter there at all!
Oh Jeez
did. If you are that angry, walk away and cool down.
End of discussion on my part.
JD (Who's not mad at Mr. Morgan but has been in an abusive relationship
and still letting the scars (both kinds) heal)
Hogne B. Pettersen
Ok, to (hopefully) end this thread:
I won't put this in the faq as of yet.
ESolomonso
Was councelling in lieu of jail time? (I really don't know if that's the deal
or not.)
ESolomonso
>Date: 06/28/2001 11:07 PM Eastern
>Yeah, but that's just what you're doing by making others aware of it
>with "wife beater" suppositions like that one. Up until now, I wasn't.
In NYC, it was on the news and the papers.
ALDRICHINK
as being 82, I wondered if that didn't have something to do with his hitting
her. My grandmother was the sweetest, most genteel person you'd ever want to
meet until she developed Alzheimer's at age 77. She began swearing like a
sailor, telling off-color jokes a porno star would blush at, and hitting
everyone in sight, including my father, mother and her 84-year-old husband.
This isn't written as a defense of Morgan, just pointing out that major
personality changes can occur as a person gets older.
AldrichInk
Chadd VanZanten
<e...@elf.tc> wrote:
> Yes, he did beat his wife. I'm not sure if he was convicted or not, but
> he agreed to see counseling.
>
> I'm _this_ close to put this in the faq....
Well, you don't have to say "YES, Harry Morgan is wife BEATER!" (Not that
you would...) Just write something discreet, simple, accurate and with
enough information so as to satisfy the curious and/or skeptical.
"On July 2 1996, Harry Morgan, then 81-years-old, was arrested and booked
for spousal battery in Brentwood, Calif. On July 6 he was charged with one
misdemeanor count of spousal battery against Barbara Morgan, his wife of
ten years. Barbara, then 71, was treated for several contusions and a
small laceration. She stated the abuse began with a quarrel at a social
engagement on July 2, and that later that evening her husband became
violent. Morgan faced jail time and a fine, but he completed six months of
court-recommended conselling, and the charge was dropped in July 1997."
It doesn't have to be lurid or disrespectful. And you don't need to be
ashamed or protective on Morgan's behalf. Spouse abuse is a problem and
just because a guy is loveable and warm on TV and in movies doesn't mean
he won't have the same problems that normal people have. But because he's
a celeb, people are going to want to know if this is true about Morgan. I
don't see that it's so bad to discuss it or to include it in the FAQ. For
those of you who don't care to touch on such sensative matters, think of
it this way: if it was addressed in the FAQ, it would come up a lot less
as a discussion topic.
I felt the same way when some wag in the ng here was asking about drug use
among the MASHers. The way he asked was a little dopey ("Awright, who was
snorting what and how often?" or something like that), but the question
itself is not inappropriate, or not inordinately so. What I thought WAS
inappropriate was the immediate, hush-hush, never-speak-of-that-again
response the question evoked. It's fortunate that drug use was,
apparently, never a big problem with any of the MASH cast, but if it had
been, would you think less of them? Or the show? Again, this stuff
happens, and show-biz types seem particularly vulnerable, so, so what? As
long as the discussion is mature and not too yellow, there's no harm in
debunking or confirming rumors, or even bantering about the problems
suffered by these celebs. If you're not interested, just don't
participate.
Okay then,
Chadd
ESolomonso
>Unfortunately, one of the problems with FAQs is that there are always some
>jokers who read them and then think it'd be amusing to post them all back
>at the group. I'm sure that's where most of the bear and hand questions
>originate as they seem too frequent to be general queries.
Good point.
I like it better when the trolls are in school.
ESolomonso
>It's fortunate that drug use was,
>apparently, never a big problem with any of the MASH cast, but if it had
>been, would you think less of them? Or the show?
Chadd, you make some good points but the above can't be answered. How would
they have been if they did indeed use drugs and how would it have effected the
show? Thankfully, we don't know.
ESolomonso
>To put it simply: NO one EVER deserves to be hit ... no matter WHAT they
>did.
Yep.
Hogne B. Pettersen
[A very good posting from Chadd snipped]:
You know what? I'll include the excact quote you wrote in the faq.
Thanks a bunch. :)
Chadd VanZanten
<e...@elf.tc> wrote:
> You know what? I'll include the excact quote you wrote in the faq.
>
> Thanks a bunch. :)
Hey, you're most welcome. Most of the information came from a couple news
stories I searched out. Three details there did not come from official
sources, so, you might want to confirm them (or leave them out). I was
guessing that someone here would correct me if I was wrong. Anyway, first,
I'm assuming Morgan's wife's name was Barbara Morgan -- that she took his
last name. I never found anything that for-sure indicated that was her
full name. Second, I went from memory that it was six months of
counselling. That detail stuck in my head, and hopefully I heard it right
back then and have remembered it correctly until now. Third, I was
likewise relying on memory when I said the charge was dropped almost
exactly one year later.
Bye.
Okay then,
Chadd
ESolomonso
>The way he asked was a little dopey ("Awright, who was
>snorting what and how often?" or something like that), but the question
>itself is not inappropriate, or not inordinately so. What I thought WAS
>inappropriate was the immediate, hush-hush, never-speak-of-that-again
>response the question evoked. It's fortunate that drug use was,
>apparently, never a big problem with any of the MASH cast, but if it had
>been, would you think less of them? Or the show?
Chadd, again, you make excellent points all around however, would MASH have
been what it was had drugs entered the picture? ( I mean serious abuse, not
someone who smoked a joint at a party.)
>"On July 2 1996, Harry Morgan, then 81-years-old, was arrested and booked
>for spousal battery in Brentwood, Calif. On July 6 he was charged with one
>misdemeanor count of spousal battery against Barbara Morgan, his wife of
>ten years. Barbara, then 71, was treated for several contusions and a
>small laceration. She stated the abuse began with a quarrel at a social
>engagement on July 2, and that later that evening her husband became
>violent. Morgan faced jail time and a fine, but he completed six months of
>court-recommended conselling, and the charge was dropped in July 1997."
ELF, if you read Chadd's article and you want to put this in the FAQ, then this
is just how it should be entered. Short, to the point, concise, move on.
>Spouse abuse is a problem and
>just because a guy is loveable and warm on TV and in movies doesn't mean
>he won't have the same problems that normal people have.
O.J. could tell us all about this.
Hogne B. Pettersen
|
| ELF, if you read Chadd's article and you want to put this in the FAQ, then this
| is just how it should be entered. Short, to the point, concise, move on.
|
And that was just they way I put it in to the faq. :)
Larry O
looking forward to next chat.
Larry
Chadd VanZanten
Well, I wasn't really looking for an answer as such. What I meant was,
if you are a fan of MASH, and then you suddenly found out that Alan Alda
was on cocaine when he was on MASH, would you stop being a fan of the
show? I wouldn't. It wouldn't change the show -- I would find it funny
before I knew about the cocaine and I would find it funny after I knew
about the cocaine.
Okay then,
Chadd
ESolomonso
>> Chadd, you make some good points but the above can't be answered. How would
>> they have been if they did indeed use drugs and how would it have effected
>the
>> show? Thankfully, we don't know.
>
>Well, I wasn't really looking for an answer as such. What I meant was,
>if you are a fan of MASH, and then you suddenly found out that Alan Alda
>was on cocaine when he was on MASH, would you stop being a fan of the
>show? I wouldn't. It wouldn't change the show -- I would find it funny
>before I knew about the cocaine and I would find it funny after I knew
>about the cocaine.
>
>Okay then,
>Chadd
>
Me too. It wouldn't have changed anything but it still leads me to think how it
would have been if any of the major cast were on drugs.
I don't know...there seems to be a lot of people on TV / movies that are on
some form of drug or another and sometimes, if it weren't made public, you
wouldn't know from their on screen performance.
This is just one of those "what if's" that can go on forever. I say enough has
been made of this.
I think the hush hush attitude from some of us is due to the fact that it's
never been mentioned before, at least not since I've been on this board, and
that's quite a while now and I can't recall this being mentioned in the press
or news or gossip or anything.
Eddie
Eccentric Messiah
filming. It is without a doubt my all time favorite show from since i was a
child. It was amzing going to summer camp with one of my friends and seeing
how easily Hawkeye/Trapper and/or Bj's pranks were easily adapted for a
variety of situations. I still view most of the world as a giant Frank
Burns.
EM
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Mr C
I still view most of the world as a giant Frank
> Burns.
>
Motto!
Mr C
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> bigjim...@webtv.net (jimmy mills) writes:
>
> | Please dont get mad at me for asking this but a couple of years ago
> | there were rumors that Harry Morgan had beaten his wife and which I
> | find very hard to believe were there any truth to the rumors.
> | Just curious not trying to slander Harry cause I am a fan of his. Take
> | care
>
> agreed to see counseling.
>
> I'm _this_ close to put this in the faq....
>
> -Elf-
> Mail: e...@elf.tc URL: http://www.mo.himolde.no/~elf/ IRC: Elf/Alv
>
> "COBOL programs are an exercise in Artificial Inelegance."
Do you comprehend what a fact is?
You can't say 'yes, he beat his wife'. You don't know that unless you were there. His wife did call the police, and said they were arguing....etc.
You can say that's as far as you know.....don't go and say 'yes, he beat her', when you don't know that. Get it