Help with History on Michelle for semi-newbie!
niklovr
I've been lurking for a few days now and have decided to jump in with a
question. After watching "Unfinished Business" and "Little Girl Who", I have a
very intense dislike for Michelle and would like some help in *attempting* to
figure her out since ideas for a MPI fan fic are about to drive me crazy and
facts are a definite must! I watched the series when it came on in the 80s,
but I didn't pay attention to it. I was too young to appreciate it then, I
think, but now that I'm older, I think the show is great!!
Were Michelle and Thomas actually ever married? I know that there was a
ceremony b'c I've seen the flashbacks, but I'm not clear on if the marriage was
legit. Wasn't she married to some other guy too at that time? Also, who the
heck was she married to in "Unfinished Business"? It wasn't the guy she left
Thomas for because he was dead by then, right? I hope I'm making sense.
Thanks in advance for your help! (And please, don't feel the need to defend
Michelle's actions to me. My dislike for her is carved in stone and I wouldn't
want anyone to waste his/her time on a lost cause. LOL!)
Dominiqua
jane...@my-deja.com
have the question about who Michele was married to in Unfinished
Business. I have a feeling this quesiton can be answered in some of the
episodes A&E has so far refused to air. Can anyone help?
I also have a hard time liking Michele and would have found a way to be
with Magnum, come hell or high water, during the Little Girl Who
episode!!!
Jane
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
niklovr
have Memories Are Forever. What was revealed about their relationship in that
ep? I remember that in "Dream a Little Dream", Thomas spoke about Michelle as
if he thought she was dead. I'm so confused!! lol
My dislike for Michelle began with "Little Girl Who" and began permanent with
"Unfinished Business." She shouldn't have left him at the end of "Little Girl
Who" without being honest about Lily (or at all for that matter) and she
certainly shouldn't have married another fella ("Unfinished Business")!!!
Dominiqua
chas...@my-deja.com
You and the other posters inthis thread need to see the
episode "Limbo". This should help you understand who the other guy
is. I suppose I won't waste my time with your loathing of Michelle,
but I think you are missing the point of thw writers. Check
out "Memories Are Forever", this will explain quite a lot.
Hope this helps,
Chase
niklovr
>>You and the other posters inthis thread need to see the episode "Limbo".
This should help you understand who the other guy is.<<
What happens in Limbo and Memories Are Forever? I would love to see it if A&E
ever decides to air it (Limbo). I know that these episodes explain a lot and
because I haven't seen either of them is why I posted. If someone could give
me a condensced version either to the newsgroup or in an email, I would greatly
appreciate it!
>>I suppose I won't waste my time with your loathing of Michelle, but I think
you are missing the point of thw writers.<<
I think the point is that the writers wanted us (the viewers) to feel. Whether
or not everyone who watches MPI feels the exact same thing is irrelevant. The
fact that we continue to watch and the show has been off the air for over a
decade is the important thing. I know that there are lot of MPI fans out there
who like Michelle as well as a few other characters I don't particularly care
for. I can respect their feelings about the characters and hope that my
feelings are respected, too.
Dominiqua
Doug Donnelly
In Memories are Forever -- A two part episode
In the opening we see Michelle for the first time, and Magnum is trying to protect
her. She, however, is killed, and Magnum wakes up. He consults Rick and TC, who
tell him that Michelle is dead. Throughout the episodes, it focuses in on Michelle
not being dead, and being involved in peace talks, to get some remains from Vietnam
shipped back to the states (soldiers killed in the war). Magnum's struggling to
find her, and Mac and Buck, for Michelle's safety, intercept him. When they
realize Magnum won't stop, they reunite them. They make love, which is I'm sure
where Lily comes in. Michelle is married to a character played by Clyde Kusatsu,
and the assassin is Colonel Ki, played by Soon-Teck Oh. Near the end there's a
firefight. Magnum is down and Colonel Ki is about to kill Michelle when Magnum
uses the last of his strength to shoot and kill the colonel. Michelle and Tom part
company, leaving viewers to wonder, will we see them again. Apparently, although
never really explained, Michelle was in some sort of protection program.
Later on, we see a brief flashback of Michelle in part one of "Echoes of the Mind,"
a powerful two-parter featuring Sharon Stone.
Michelle is referenced off and on.
In Little Girl Who, Magnum meets Lily for the first time, and near the end is an
extremely cheesy firefight. It's like they decided to re-enact the firefight from
Memories are Forever. Once again, Magnum's down, and the assassin is about to
shoot Michelle, when Magnum gets up enough strength to shoot and kill him.
Then, comes Limbo. After being shot and left for dead in a warehouse shooting,
Magnum's spirit wanders the island with Mac's spirit. Higgins tells everyone
Magnum's guest, a Miss Barrington, is due. It turns out to be Michelle and Lily.
Higgins tells her, and she is shaken. Magnum sees John Beck's character, Ed
Durant. The Navy suspects he's up to something, but midway through Magnum learns
Ed is going to marry her. Magnum manipulates the situation to the point where Ed
and Michelle have a fight and she storms off. She visits Magnum at the hospital,
and when his spirit catches up to her, she's involved in a car chase that ends with
the other vehicle going over a cliff. The two occupants of that car were the other
two shooters. In the end, he mutters the line: "I love you Michelle, more than
anyone in the world. And I'm letting you go." Ed and Michelle reunite.
Infinity and Jelly Doughnuts -- Magnum awakens from the coma, and we discover
another shooter, Quang Ki, Colonel Ki's brother. He's seeking revenge for his
brother. It takes them a little while to find out what's going on, and then the
inevitable fight between Ki and Magnum, in which TC stops him from killing him,
telling him "There's another way, man!" To think, if TC hadn't stopped him,
Michelle would still be alive!!
Unfinished Business -- For those that didn't see it, we see Magnum in the
beginning writing letters to Lily, kind of like a diary. Well, Quang Ki's trial
takes place, and because of Magnum's reluctance to tell about Michelle, he's
acquitted. Magnum receives a videotape. Quang Ki gives a speech, and then we see
Michelle, Ed, and Lily walk to their car, and right when he starts the car, it
explodes, killing all three, or so we think. Magnum decides Quang Ki must die, and
finds out he's being shipped out in exchange for a prisoner. He plots to kill him,
but in the last second, he pulls back and leaves.
Resolutions -- Part one and two
These two episodes air Thursday and Friday on A&E. Watch them, and see what
happens next.
Teresa/LadyDoc
isn't one as THEY can practically recite every episode they've seen them so
many times. But I digress.....
Do I have selective memory, have I imagined the episodes the way I'd like
them to be, or is Doug's summary not quite how David and others remember
and/or interpret the Michelle episodes?
My memory- abbreviated- of the Michelle storyline:
Magnum marries Michelle in Vietnam- she is a widow. She "disappears" the
day of the final evacuation and Magnum is told she is dead. Actually her
husband has been found alive and becomes an important official in the new
government- so she and TM were married but it was not legal although they
did not know it at the time. (There is a running thread throughout that
Michelle is a devout Catholic, which would be predictable from a
French/Vietnamese of that era and would explain her decision to return to
first husband.)
Magnum spots Michelle several years later in Hawaii. She is accompanying her
husband on a diplomatic mission. She also is an agent for the US government.
TM tracks her down, they spend a night (hence Lily) and her husband is
killed at the end of the episode. Michelle's cover is gone and she goes into
protective hiding- the Buck Greene connection.
In a later episode, which introduces Lily, Michelle is again targeted and
goes back into hiding as she and TM realize he cannot protect them and will
not risk their safety.
In Limbo, Michelle has come to Hawaii to tell TM she wants to get married
again but she arrives too late to talk to him. John Beck character is
willing to live the life on the run necessary to protect Michelle and Lily.
Lots of emotional stuff while "in the coma", and the danger to Michelle if
they are together is again made obvious to TM. TM basically gives her his
blessing to go on with her life since they cannot be together safely.
In "Unfinished Business", Quang Ki gets off because the fix is in- he is
being exchanged for a POW/MIA of many years. Michelle, husband and Lily are
killed- and video of their deaths is sent to TM- both as revenge for
Colonel Ki's death and as retribution for Michelle's activities as US agent.
TM, at last minute, does not kill Quang Ki during prisoner exchange, POW and
his now-grown daughter are reunited, and in voice over, TM "tells" Lily that
he did something that he hoped would "make her proud".
That's how *I* remember the Michelle storyline. I can see how someone
missing crucial episodes might not like the character but I always admired
her. In the early years she returned to her first husband, kept her vows til
that fateful night with TM, showed courage in being an agent, put personal
desires aside to spare TM and protect Lily- an unusual character in the 80's
who did not put "me first and D#$% the cost".
Is my memory that far off? Please, someone with tapes, please let me know.
TK
"Doug Donnelly" <doug...@emily.net> wrote in message
news:3A64921C...@emily.net...
Mermolo
big guy!!!
Marie/Magwriter.
niklovr
questions.<<
Thank you, Doug!!! You've helped me in a very big way!! And you've also given
me another reason to love TC!!
Thanks again!
-Dominiqua
niklovr
isn't one as THEY can practically recite every episode they've seen them so
many times. But I digress.....<<
Thanks, Teresa! Were there any eps that showed or explained how TM and
Michelle first met? I've seen flashes of their wedding ceremony, Lily's
conception and then the later eps with her that A&E have aired.
-Dominiqua
thor...@my-deja.com
Great job...! Only real change I would offer is Michelle's husband,
played by Soon-Tek Oh, was killed at the beginning of "Little Girl Who".
I also agree with you that Michelle and TM's desire to protect Lily is
paramount. To keep her out of harm's way at the expense of their own
opportunity to be together speaks volumes as to their character.
In my humble opinion, the Michelle episodes are the finest TV has ever
offered us since it's beginning.
Bob
In article <uCXssVCgAHA.272@cpmsnbbsa09>,
Doug Donnelly
Maybe I need to dig out the Memories are Forever tape and watch it again. It
has been a while.
David Romas
>Do I have selective memory, have I imagined the episodes the way I'd like
>them to be, or is Doug's summary not quite how David and others remember
>and/or interpret the Michelle episodes? My memory- abbreviated- of the
>Michelle storyline:
I'd say your memory works pretty darn well, TK, as you have given us the most
accurate overview of the "Michelle storyline" so far in this discussion.
>TM tracks her down, they spend a night (hence Lily) and her husband is
>killed at the end of the episode. Michelle's cover is gone and she goes into
>protective hiding- the Buck Greene connection.
This is only a little off. Nguyen Hue (Michelle's husband) isn't killed
until about five years after the events of "Memories Are Forever." At the
end of "Memories," he and Michelle go back to Vietnam safe and sound. No
blown cover for either of them (yet). We also learn in "Memories" that
Michelle's and Hue's connection to Buck Greene had been long established
already by the time of "Memories."
>That's how *I* remember the Michelle storyline.
There's a little more, too, beyond "Unfinished Business." In "Resolutions"
it finally is revealed that Lily is in fact Thomas's daughter. He also finds
out she survived the car bombing and they are reunited at the end.
Best,
David Romas
Magnum Memorabilia
(MPI's fan organization)
Chris Roberts
did michelle know about it and go out the other door?
On 17 Jan 2001, David Romas wrote:
> Date: 17 Jan 2001 06:26:19 -0800
> From: David Romas <ac2...@wayne.edu>
> Newsgroups: alt.tv.magnum-pi
> Subject: Re: help! Where is David to sort this out?
Chris Roberts
cjr71244...@ucf.edu
niklovr
Lily wants something that's in the house and jumps out of the car to go get it,
using to my best guess the rear passenger door that is hidden from our view.
(My French isn't great, so I'm guessing here as to why she leaves the car.)
>>did michelle know about it and go out the other door? <<
Only DPB knows for sure. Anything's possible and I won't say for sure that she
didn't run out after Lily.
Watch the tape over again if you have it. You can hear Lily talking about
something and Michelle calling after her. Then, right after there's the
explosion.
-Dominiqua
Rob Morrone
think that was the word she used.
--
Rob
The Ultimate Magnum, P.I. Episode Library
http://www.webstrands.com/MagnumPI/
"niklovr" <nik...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010117125648...@ng-fl1.aol.com...
Doug Donnelly
David:
Naughty naughty. You gave away the story for the series finale tomorrow and
Friday.
Well, since it's been given away, Magnum has a friend played by Hal Williams,
who's a DJ and an expert at analyzing sounds. He gives him the audio cassette
version of the video, and he analyzes it bit by bit.
Michelle says something to Edward and Lily is agitated, wanting her dolly. We
hear Michelle call out "Lily." The car door. "Lily!!" and then the explosion.
In part two, Magnum is reunited with Lily. There's a cute interaction between
Thomas and Carol, which, in my opinion, I think was DPB opening the door for them
as a couple.
niklovr
Thomas and Carol, which, in my opinion, I think was DPB opening the door for
them
as a couple.<<
I've been looking forward to seeing Resolutions for a while now and knowing
that there's a cute scene between Thomas and Carol makes me even more anxious!
I always enjoy their scenes together. In a lot of ways, Carol is like Thomas.
They both have an uncanny knack for getting their friends to help them when
their friends claim that they don't want to. *g* I also like how they are
always able to joke with each other and have fun. I am so happy that Carol is
in the series finale!!
-Dominiqua
Beverly Kai
the Eighties, after a couple of decades of people "searching" for a
religion that suits their behavior.
And in character for Bellesario, et al.
Beverly Kai
chucked Chris Noth (easy to do) for Tom Hanks in Castaway. But then,
logically, Hanks's character should have died of blood poisoning,
considering his actions.. . . . . . .
Aand they say that schizophrenics live in a world of their own . . ..
!!!!!!!! :-)
Mac
Aand they say that schizophrenics live in a world of their own . . ..
!!!!!!!! :-)
Mac
Marilyn Jansen
JEMS EBERHARD HORBEL
JEMS EBERHARD
MT103/202 DIRECT WIRE TRANSFER
PAYPAL TRANSFER
CASHAPP TRANSFER
ZELLE TRANSFER
TRANSFER WISE
WESTERN UNION TRANSFER
BITCOIN FLASHING
BANK ACCOUNT LOADING/FLASHING
IBAN TO IBAN TRANSFER
MONEYGRAM TRANSFER
SLBC PROVIDER
CREDIT CARD TOP UP
SEPA TRANSFER
WIRE TRANSFER
GLOBALPAY INC US
Thanks.
NOTE; ONLY SERIOUS / RELIABLE RECEIVERS CAN CONTACT.
DM ME ON WHATSAPP FOR A SERIOUS DEAL.
+447833460813