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ZUUL

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Jan 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/17/00
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I actually posted this on another bbs thought I'd post here too:

i have been watching a lot of magnum now that it's back on the air on
a&e... I've noticed that he's on the
beach a lot... anyway... I've also noticed that the women on the beaches
have breasts of all shapes and sizes
and it's beautiful... now on shows where there's girls in bikini's all
the boobies are the same size... why is that?

Hill

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Jan 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/17/00
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Because implants only come in certain sizes!!;>


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Mermolo

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Jan 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/18/00
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I don't know about that, but my hubby's favorite shot of the show is where
Tom's holding the stu out of the water while he teaches her to snorkel...sigh.
men.

Gotta love em....
Marie/Magwriter....

na

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Jan 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/18/00
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This was before people went crazy with implants. Now, everyone looks the
same with identical, phoney, melon-sized chests. I think the women on
Magnum all look terrific, but now-a-days, they'd need 36Ds to get the part!

Christine

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spect...@my-deja.com

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Jan 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/18/00
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In article <38839FB4...@hotmail.com>,

Simple. The PS industry is a very powerful influence in entertainment
now, but they like to be "undercover", that is, inconspicuous. The
PS industry in the US makes more than twice as much money as
entertainment box office ticket sales every year, to give you
an example of their financial power. The "hook products" of the
PS industry is breast surgery, so in entertainment, they will
display breasts that are *consistant* with PS breast products.

Magnum PI was filmed over fourteen years ago. At the time, the
PS industry was not as big. Also, at that time, the PS industry
rested on the single foundation of breast implants. Then, in
1991, the silicone breast scandle forced a 65% drop in breast
implant profits, so, with the help of breast reduction shills
released into the media, a compensatory second breast industry
was created to make up for these profit losses...the industry
of breast reduction, which compensated just fine, on account
of the fact that they were able to win over the powerfully
respected medical industry as their main promotors. Since that
time, the PS industry has rested upon the two pillars of breast
implants and breast reduction, with breast reduction making
more net annual profits to PS's and the medical industry than
breast implants. Both products, breast augmentation and reduction,
have grown in profits every year since 1991, so now the PS's
have not only recovered from their augmentation slump, but
with reduction added they are making well over twice as much
money as they did in the peak of the era when implants were queen.

Now, since breast reduction as well as breast augmentation are
promoted and nearly equally profitable to the same professional
group, the PS's will promote basicly only one narrow size range of
breast, "neither too large, nor too small". In other words, a *standard
size*, (slightly bigger than mean)leaving only a range of about two bra
sizes. This differs from pre silicone scandle days, when implants ruled,
breast reduction was only done in extremes, when the PS industry
simply promoted larger than mean breasts, with a much wider possible
size range.

Thanks to the fact that the modern PS industry makes profit by
snipping off the extremes (as they define extreme) of the natural
breast size diversity, modern PS's acts to un diversify,
or standardize, the natural range. In essence, the PS industry
feeds off of this form of diversity, and in the process, depletes
it, something that is now quite evident amongst the US white
female population which has been a major demographic target of
PS industry exploitation. That is why white women have the lowest
degree of breast size diversity of all the races, it is an accumulated
effect of PS industry pollution or exploitation of that race.
Naturally media, which is full of PS industry shills, will portray
the flattened, PS industry defined breast size uniformity as an
"ideal of beauty". Also, the actresses that are given jobs now,
nearly a decade after the silicone scandle, must abide by prejudices
that have been created in connection with the PS industry, which
would bias against them if their breasts are outside the "ideal" range
that the PS dogmas of esthetics. Finally, if these actresses are
drawn from the highly breast surgery altered white race, they can
be expected to be much more limited in their range of breast sizes
commonly available.

The breast "standardization factor" is not something pulled out
of the air to explain Magnum PI. In fact, this factor is very
fundamental in the analysis of many areas related to the PS
industry, including why individual PS's mis advice breast surgery
recipients. For example, large framed women will often be advised
to get breast implants that are too small for their frames (leading
to awful boob jobs) as the PS's attempt to adhere to the "one size
fits all paradigm". Noting this standardization factor is also
helpful in identifying PS industry shills, which go on the internet
pretending to be women so that they can dispense pro breast surgery
propaganda and pull in more business for themselves by snagging
hapless women who email them. PS shills will always claim that
some certain limited breast size range is ideal (so as to include
both augmentation and reduction) rather than "bigger is better"
(which would be antiethical to breast reduction business).


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ZUUL

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Jan 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/18/00
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awesome answer!

wetwar...@jetson.uh.edu

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Jan 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/19/00
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ZUUL,

Your answer about the breast size suggests you know quite a bit about
either the industry or about breast. Which is it. :)

Jay Lee

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ZUUL

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Jan 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/19/00
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oh i won't take credit for that it wasn't my answer it was my saying that
that guys answer was good... the post above mine... but I like to think I
know something about a females anatomy... although it's been a while
since I've seen one up close :(

Beverly Kai

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Jan 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/19/00
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The woman who did/does casting for tv shows on Oahu has an eye for real
people. Every extra you see has a real life doing something else for a
living. the extra job is just a fun thing to earn some money and have
a memory video tape.

Also, MPI was shot in the Eighties, before Pam Lee set the standard.

My boobies are just fine for Baywatch. Unfortuanately my face shows
that I am in my Sixties. The same casting director is doing the
Baywatch job - -and she has told me flat out to not even THINK of
working the show - -unless they need a lady judge or something. I call
her once in a while just to chat - -but don't exect anything in the way
of work.

The Hawaiian kids on the new Baywatch Hawaii were chosen from a cattle
call. Stricktly for looks. It was thought that they could pick up
acting as they went on.

Not so. They had to hire an old actor/show biz hand, Garrison True, as
an acting coach. He has been around so long tat he was in the First
season of Original Trek.

This cattle-call result shows that Baywatch has no pretense at anything
literary or of acting quality. They wouldn't hire Gwyneth Paltrow if
she walked thru the door - unless it was a guest shot seated at a table.
But never in a bathing suit.

It just depends on the market the producer is trying to reach. And it
is my misfortune that my breasts don't match my face. . . .

I hope that I have answered this weighty hefty, palpable question . . .


ZUUL

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Jan 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/19/00
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thanks beverly!!!!!!

ANIM8Rfsk

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Jan 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/20/00
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<< My boobies are just fine for Baywatch. >>

You mean to say that they defy both the laws of anatomical proportion AND
gravity?

Wowsers . . .


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spect...@my-deja.com

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Jan 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/20/00
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In article <20000120113520...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,

anim...@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) wrote:
> << My boobies are just fine for Baywatch. >>
>
> You mean to say that they defy both the laws of anatomical proportion
AND
> gravity?


and have eternally erect nips

Scott

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Jan 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/22/00
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ANIM8Rfsk <anim...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> << My boobies are just fine for Baywatch. >>
>
> You mean to say that they defy both the laws of anatomical proportion AND
> gravity?
>
> Wowsers . . .
>

Definitely not a member of SAG right? :-D


ANIM8Rfsk

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Jan 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/22/00
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<< Definitely not a member of SAG right? :-D >>

Rimshot!


LOL

Beverly Kai

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Jan 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/22/00
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The pay scale depends on whether or not you are a member of the untion,
the Screen Actors' Guild. A certain amount of background slots are
reserved for Guild members. These slots pay about 30% more than a
non-union slot , even if it is two different people under the same palm
tree - with one being a Guild member and the other one isn't.

The casting director is obliged to try to find a Guild memger for a SAG
slot. If she can't ,she can cast a non-member to do the job -- and this
gets interesting.

Getting such a job automiaticlly qualifies you to join the union, and
you get union scale for the day's work.

I this happens to you three times, you MUST joing the Guild - - on the
grounds that you are benefiting from the efforts made on members' behalf
by the untion honchos. If you get the pay and benefits, you gotta join.
You just can't keep filling member's slots and walk away with the higher
money.

This leads to an interesting situation. Despite the brownie points in
bragging to my cousins that I am 'good' enough to be a member of SAG,
and nyah nyah nyah - -there are a whole clutch of us who have filled SAG
slots three times, - - and are making valient efforts NOT to join the
union.

Whenever we are called to do background work, our first quesion is, 'is
it a SAG slot?" And if it is, we ask to have a job that isn't. We dare
not have our names show up on the SAG computer as filling SAG slots for
a FOURTH time. We would be forced - -by law, I think, to join.

Joining costs several hundred dollars in initiation fees - -going up all
the time. It must be near a thousand dollars by now. And I hven't
earned anything close to a thousand in the few years that I worked tv
and films.

The way the industry is here in Honolulu, I could never hope to earn
enough here to justify the cost of joining SAG. And I am not
well-enough off to join just for the hell of it and bragging rights.

For anyone who wants to storm Hollywood with a SAG membership already in
hand - -a decided advantage in getting an agent - -etc - - - this is the
place to come to do it. Although the ugly need not apply to Baywatch.

A number of talented young people here have gotten their membership and
gone up to CA with stars in their eyes. And they work, too. You can
always be cast in an industrial video or trade show film: the glory of
cheese . . . .etc.

In the days of MPI, the rate for non-Guild members was $100. And then
they take out deductions.

For the past few years, though - -- to induce producers to come here,
rather than simulate Hawaii - -- or go to New Zealand f( like One West
Waikiki finally did) -- the Guild and the other unions, the
electricians, and so forth make pay concessions.

Everyone is happy to get the work, but they take home less, and the
production costs of commuting to LA for post-production, etc - is
lessened. Every one of those beautiful lady guest stars had to have a
flight over here, the limo, te hotel, the dinners, - -etc - to make the
trip worth their while.

Of course, the Producers take all funds off the top, and as Margaret,
the castin director said, "There is nothing left for the real people who
do the work."

Precisely.

The last time I filled a SAG slot I got about $65 before withholdings.
The non-SAG slots were about $45. By the time they take everything out,
you get maybe $30 for standing around in the weather all day. If you
are lucky, you get to go home after they feed you. And they HAVE to
feed you. Union rules. Or they pay a meal penalty.

I usually take a sunaht and sunscreen, a book, and a foldup camp chair.
Some women bring umberelas if it is a beach day. A few women bring
knitting.

It is a fun way to spend a day, but once the thrill is gone and it
becomes just another part-time-job - - -$30 doesn't seem worth the
hassle, esp if it is in an all cement place like the airport - - or out
in the cane fields in the mud.

Oh, if they have you drive your car, it is another $50.

So here you have a grandmother in Hawaii, granted, with perfect breasts,
who doesn't particularly want to work background any more unless she
auditions for a speaking part - which pays $250 per day - - -- and for
that you MUST MUST join the Guild. And just hope you get enough day's
work to pay the initiation fee and dues.

They don't call it show BUSINESS por nada. Alll that fun and ecstacy
you see on camera is all synthetic -- unless someone like Mercedes
McCambridge in the wheelchair is loose enough to inject a little fun
into the shot.

And the Assistant Directors who herd the background people around from
site to site absolutely hate the job. They smile and are nice and crack
jokes - -but this is their 'plebe' period, they gotta pay their dues.
But it is hot, and people wander off, and have to go to the loo - -or
just go home - - -The ADs get alll the resposiblity and very little
glory, except people llke me know their names - - and remember them -
-but If I met one downtown he wouldnt have a clue as to who I am.

does this answer your queries?


michael driver

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Jan 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/23/00
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Hey Bev! Thanks for the background info! Quite interesting. But to sort
of change the topic, when you mentioned One West Wakiki... it also was
one of my favorites, and so sorry it was canceled. Any info on reruns or
anyone have tapes of the series? How many did they shoot for the one
season on Life Network?


Martin Eden

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Jan 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/23/00
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Bev,

> does this answer your queries?

Most certainly ma'am. Thanks for giving me an idea of what the non-actors
have to endure. I am currently reading 'This Business of Screenwriting' by
Ron Suppa. It has given me a wonderful perspective on how the business is
run. Everything looks wonderful on TV and what not...but the reality is: it
is the creative minds that gets to run off with the money. (into the
sunset, presumably)

> Joining costs several hundred dollars in initiation fees - -going up all
the time

The cost of joining the Writer's Guild is $2500. This comes as a surprise.
But then again if you do well then you qualify for health benefits, etc. I
am sure the SAG does the same.

BTW. What shows have you appeared on?

Kind regards,

Martin Eden


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Beverly Kai

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Jan 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/24/00
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One West originally ran on CBS, and they fronted the cash for it.

But Cheryl and her husband, the producer, evidently owned the show.
That is why they shot eps here - - and then moved on down to New Zealand
where their dollar is 70 cents. Or maybe 45 cents, one.

Thus all the eps in the South Pacific.

It then ran on Lifetime. Over nd over, as I recall - - - enough times
so I could alert my kids to catch me in the pilot, as background.

Cheryl was a fine lesson on how to spend Other People's Money. They
wasted cash like I have never seen on any production. And not on sets,
certainly. That lab looks like a library bathroom.

You dont want to see her in person. Already , she is one of those faces
cut and designed for the camera - - -and of course the camera
photographs the makup on her skin, not her skin itself. Color film is
subltle, too. What looks great on film can be a disaster combo of hair
color and compleexion hue.

That is why they call it Hollywood Magic.

You really don't wanna know too much . . .. .


Rob Morrone

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Feb 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/1/00
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I don't think it's SAG, Bev. It's AFTRA.

Rob


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Beverly Kai

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The only time I ever ran into an Aftra situation here in Honolulu was
when I worked 'atmosphere' on a Hawaii ep of
Y & R.

The adult daughter of a friend of mine found that if she wanted to work
that soap, she would have to join AFTRA, since she already had worked an
AFTRA slot in Chicago when she was seven years old. She was mighty
pissed that the computer came up with her name after 15 years . . .

The result was that she didn't work Y & R while they were here. The
pay didn't make it worth while - -- - -and that particular union just
isn't here. And the initiation fee is quite a chunk. More than she
would have earned.

I get the feeling that the actors' unions are like mayonaisse: AFTRA
in the east and SAG in the west.


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