Higgins is not Robin Masters
Mick
reasons why I think Higgins would have terminated Magnum. He could not
dispose him because he didn't have the authority to do so. He would have
need the *real* Robin Masters blessing.
-- How many times has Magnum damaged the Ferrari?
-- How many times has Magnum messed-up Higgins' flowers?
-- Higgins has a first hand account of Magnum's elusiveness--security has
been breached far too many times, i.e, Magnum crashes computer while
playing games. T.C. easily gets over the fence.
-- In one episode, Higgins was using a tape recorder in the car; the tape
was to be use as his resignation. If he was Robin Masters, who is he going
to submit this tape to? Himself? He's incriminating himself?
-- In a outrageous act, Magnum shoots Higgins' plane dead out of the air. I
*don't* think Magnum would have been employed at the estate after that.
-- Remember when Magnum kisses Higgins' girlfriend? Bad karma.
-- (______________________________) --your examples, please?
Is this open to debate?
:-)
Thomas K
But it keeps the series interesting. At the end, these are only scripts, the
writers can
decide and change the story any way they want, and from the first episodes, it
is clear
that Higgins isn't Robin Masters. In the later episodes, when RM (his voice)
doesn't appear anymore cause Orson Wells died, then I guess they started with
the idea that Higgins could be Masters, but logically, he's not.
Thomas
David Romas
>I reject the notion that Higgins is Mr. Masters.
So does Thomas Magnum. That's not exactly his argument.
>My comments below are some reasons why I think Higgins would have terminated
>Magnum. He could not dispose him because he didn't have the authority to do
>so. He would have need the *real* Robin Masters blessing.
That's correct (aside from the key detail that since Magnum never was
employed at the Estate he cannot be fired). Yet all the examples mentioned
below do nothing to invalidate Magnum's real "Robin Masters theory" which is
fully spelled out for us only in the 8th season episode "Tigers Fan" and has
nothing to do with the obvious fact (obvious even to Magnum) that Higgins
and Robin are two separate, different people each wielding different
authority in, and over, their own shared world.
>-- How many times has Magnum damaged the Ferrari?
>-- How many times has Magnum messed-up Higgins' flowers?
>-- Higgins has a first hand account of Magnum's elusiveness--security has
>been breached far too many times, i.e, Magnum crashes computer while
>playing games. T.C. easily gets over the fence.
>-- In one episode, Higgins was using a tape recorder in the car; the tape
>was to be use as his resignation. If he was Robin Masters, who is he going
>to submit this tape to? Himself? He's incriminating himself?
>-- In a outrageous act, Magnum shoots Higgins' plane dead out of the air. I
>*don't* think Magnum would have been employed at the estate after that.
>-- Remember when Magnum kisses Higgins' girlfriend? Bad karma.
>-- (______________________________) --your examples, please?
There are many many more.
>Is this open to debate?
Oh yes. That's one of the great frustrations of "Resolutions" (a mis-named
TV episode if ever one existed -- it, in fact, contains only a series of
events that are the precise opposite of resolutions!). It does not end the
debate. Not only is this debate open, it cannot be closed. Nothing exists
in the series to prove one side or the other.
Best,
David Romas
Magnum Memorabilia
(MPI's fan organization)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
HIGGINS: Magnum, remember what I told you about Robin Masters?
THOMAS: Yeah.
HIGGINS: I lied.
- "Resolutions"
Pilotsky747
THE ESTATE IN A CARD GAME....WOULD A FAKE ROBIN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO
SO....AND WOULD HIGGINS PREPARE TO LEAVE THE ESTATE IF HE WERE ROBIN
MASTERS.......IN MANY OF THE EPISODES MAGNUM SAYS HE KNOWS THIS OR THAT IS TRUE
AND IN A TONGUE AND CHEEK SORTA WAY HE IS PROVEN THAT HE IS MISTAKEN....BUT
THERE ARE DOZENS OF THINGS I HAVE OBSERVED IN WATCHING RERUNS THAT CONFIRM IN
MY OWN THINKING......HIGGINS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ROBBIN MASTERS.....
Policeof34
If Higgins was really Robin Masters he would have known right away that
Elizabeth was not his old teacher.
Ross Anderson
that Higgins is Masters. There was a lot of weaselsing about
why Higgins would call Robin about serious matters
when no one was around just for Higgins to "stay in character"
JUST IN CASE SOMEONE HIDDEN WAS LISTENING.
The resignation recording would not be of any value in that regard
unless the resignation was a sham. The context of the resignation
leads me to think that Higgins was not playing to a hidden audience
and it was a real resignation message.
Regards,
Ross Anderson
Rob Morrone
Masters.
--
Rob - W7MPI
The Ultimate Magnum, P.I. Episode Library
http://www.ultimatemagnum/
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Scott
Is Bev really the person behind the individual we know
as David Romas?
Has Bev maintained a low web tv profile all the while
drafting Romas' posts to the NG while Romas poses for
photos, hosts guests visiting Mag Mem and makes assorted
appearances all the while doing his best to sample as many
types of brew as possible for the sake of staying in character?
Who can say for certain? :
David Romas >
> Mick says...
> >I reject the notion that Higgins is Mr. Masters.
> So does Thomas Magnum. That's not exactly his argument.
> Yet all the examples mentioned
> below do nothing to invalidate Magnum's real "Robin Masters theory" which
is
> fully spelled out for us only in the 8th season episode "Tigers Fan" and
has
> nothing to do with the obvious fact (obvious even to Magnum) that Higgins
> and Robin are two separate, different people each wielding different
> authority in, and over, their own shared world.
QUITE! People keep asking "Is Higgins Really Robin Masters?"
NO! Of course he isn't, he's JQH, just as Masters is Masters, each
with a history their own. Higgins could have made a proposal to a
more flamboyant Masters that he be the one credited with writing
Higgins' novels.
I think TM proposed the notion that Higgins hired a guy
"to be Masters". If he meant that Higgins chose a real person
named Robin Masters to be a public persona behind his novels, I
agree with the possibility. If TM meant Higgins had just created this
Robin Masters figure out of thin air someone would have inevitably
discovered there was never a real Robin Masters (ie, no verifiable
history his own) and the house of cards would crash.
The question it seems to me that people should be asking
is: did Higgins pen some or all of the Masters' novels?
Policeof34> wrote...
> How about the Birdman of Budapest when Robin's old school marm
> comes to stay.
> If Higgins was really Robin Masters he would have known right away that
> Elizabeth was not his old teacher.
Again, Higgins and RM are two different people and although
Higgins would know a lot about Masters he could not know all
including RM's school friends or his teachers etc., so this would
not prove things one way or the other.
The taped resignation in the car IMHO is more probative
of the notion that Higgins isn't behind the RM persona
but certainly is not proof positive.
> Oh yes. That's one of the great frustrations of "Resolutions" (a
mis-named
> TV episode if ever one existed -- it, in fact, contains only a series of
> events that are the precise opposite of resolutions!). It does not end
the
> debate. Not only is this debate open, it cannot be closed. Nothing
exists
> in the series to prove one side or the other.
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> HIGGINS: Magnum, remember what I told you about Robin Masters?
> THOMAS: Yeah.
> HIGGINS: I lied.
> - "Resolutions"
Didn't TM say in Faith & Begorrah that Higgins would rather be
drawn and quartered than tell a lie? : )
Higgins IS being truthful that he is not RM, he could
nevertheless still be the individual behind the RM persona.
You can therefore not unequivocally say one way or the other
if Higgins is the architect behind RM. (Or if Bev is really the
tour de force behind this guy we know as D. Romas!!!!!!)
Scott<----Hasn't decided either way but likes to keep possibilities open!
-Dave
>
>Is Bev really the person behind the individual we know
>as David Romas?
>
>Has Bev maintained a low web tv profile all the while
>drafting Romas' posts to the NG while Romas poses for
>photos, hosts guests visiting Mag Mem and makes assorted
>appearances all the while doing his best to sample as many
>types of brew as possible for the sake of staying in character?
>
>Who can say for certain? :
>
Damn Scott, you may be on to something here.
Think about it. What a better way for a wildly fanatical MPI co-hort
such as our Bev to keep her mild-mannered, lovable, newsgroup
matriarch appearance than to create, contract and upkeep a hard core
MPI knowledge-master as our David Romas??
Lets look at the facts:
1) Who lives on the island where the show took place and has hands-on
knowledge of all the sights and who also lived there during the
tenure of the show?? Hmmmmm?
2) Who has friends on the inside over at Diamond Head studio and would
have access to acquire all those props and other memorabilia items we
always see DR with??? Hmmmmmmm? Remember, those things aren't the
kind of thing you can buy on Ebay!
3) And who in our newsgroup, besides Mac, has rubbed elbows with the
elusive Eve Anderson, owner of the most famous estate in Hawaii???
I think we have the makings to a real scandal here, Scott.
Your thoughts??
-Dave
(What?? Is that my tongue sticking out of my cheek?) ;-}
Thomas K
butler. TC comes with the helicopter etc. and at the end Higgins admits to all his
friends that this is not his property but he is only employed.
Well, this is not the perfect proof because it could all just be a game of
Higgins. I think the best proof so far is his resignation on the tape when he was
alone in the car.
The whole idea that Higgins could be RM is just something that the writers of the
episodes created. Again, they can write whatever they want. From the very
beginning, when the show was created, I am 100% certain that it was intended that
Higgins is NOT Masters. Later they just started with that thing to make it
interesting, esp. after 1985, the actor of RM died, so he never appears anymore.
See, writers just start to change the story anyway they want. Remember Dallas,
when Bobby died, then a year later, everything was a dream and he returns simply
because the rates dropped and they needed him back. You also have to consider that
we now see the re-runs in a short time, 5 episodes a week. We can watch all 8
years of Magnum in 7 months or so. Before that, well it took 8 years to watch
everything. And who would still remember in 1987 (for example) that there were
absolute clear indications in 1981 (for example), that showed that Higgins can not
be Masters. Noone would remember all the scenes from years ago, so the writers can
just change to whole story a bit and noone questions the mysterious idea that
Higgins could actually be RM.
Scott
-Dave > wrote
"Scott" > wrote:
>
> >
> >Is Bev really the person behind the individual we know
> >as David Romas?
> Damn Scott, you may be on to something here.
> Lets look at the facts:
>
> 1) Who lives on the island where the show took place and has hands-on
> knowledge of all the sights and who also lived there during the
> tenure of the show?? Hmmmmm?
>
> 2) Who has friends on the inside over at Diamond Head studio and would
> have access to acquire all those props and other memorabilia items we
> always see DR with??? Hmmmmmmm? Remember, those things aren't the
> kind of thing you can buy on Ebay!
>
> 3) And who in our newsgroup, besides Mac, has rubbed elbows with the
> elusive Eve Anderson, owner of the most famous estate in Hawaii???
>
> I think we have the makings to a real scandal here, Scott.
>
> Your thoughts??
Magnumgate!
Scott
Rob Morrone
let me take the opposite site for the sake of argument. I have heard
several people use the fact that Higgins made that tape in the Audi, in J.
"Digger" Doyle. He could very well have been making that tape for Magnum's
benefit. He might have been planning to give the tape to Magnum and ask him
to pass it along to Robin (his surrogate). So you see, Higgins making a
tape in the Audi proves nothing.
Just my thoughts.
--
Rob - W7MPI
The Ultimate Magnum, P.I. Episode Library
http://www.ultimatemagnum/
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against Higgins being RM was that in the J. Digger Doyle episode, Higgins was
subjected to truth serum. While under the influence of the serum, if he was
RM, he would have undoubtedly admitted the truth of his identity when they were
questioning him about the whereabouts of the tapes to the upcoming novel.
Robert
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