The Monster, the Armory Door, & the Pilot Wings
tdciago
sound of the monster in the pilot episode again. Like Rose, I'm
originally from the Bronx, and my initial reaction was that it was the
sound of a garbage truck. The repeated banging sounds like the metal
cans being slammed against the truck, then there's the mechanical,
squealing sound of the lift picking up the load and dumping it,
followed by what sounds like hydraulic brakes. My next guess would be
a subway train, but I don't think the banging sound fits. I also
considered a maintenance elevator, with the manual gate that gets
pulled across.
Then tonight I rewatched "One of Them," and I realized that the sound
of the armory door is very much like a portion of the monster sound,
specifically the squealing and banging shut. You can hear it when Mr.
Eko is let into the armory to talk to Henry Gale, and later when Locke
delivers food to Gale.
Something else I noticed from the early episodes is that the pilot
wings found by Kate just before they discover the pilot's body appear
to be U.S. military-issue, rather than something that would be worn by
a commercial airline pilot. We get a good look at the wings when she
picks up the pin, and it looks very similar to these:
Early-WWII Pilot Wings
http://www.nmia.com/~valorc/american/wings/1941pilot.jpg
Pre-WWII Pilot Wings
http://www.nmia.com/~valorc/american/wings/1939pilot.jpg
With Alvar Hanso's WWII-era work with the resistance, and the Glenn
Miller song, this might be another tie-in. It also brings in the
military once more.
northernsurferboy
smoke. I am guessing that the mosnter can take the form of virtually
anything though like the black horse Kate and Sawyer saw. Also if you
seen the Locke episode in the second season (I think the second
episode) the clicking noise his add machine calculator makes is the
exact noise the monster makes. Someone else earlier mentioned that the
the subway noise in the bronx sounds similar to the noise Rose says she
has heard before when the monster was smashing up trees.
Steven L.
> In 23rd Psalm we see the monster so far is a just a trail of black
> smoke. I am guessing that the mosnter can take the form of virtually
> anything though like the black horse Kate and Sawyer saw.
And being self-propelled black smoke, it is virtually unstoppable. Like
"The Blob" from the horror movies, the Black Smoke Monster can pour
itself thru even a small hole, so security fences and doors pose no
obstacle for it. Needless to say, guns are ineffective because the
bullets will just go right thru the smoke and come out the other side.
But unlike "The Blob," the Black Smoke Monster can even float at any
altitude and sail thru the air at any speed.
The Lost writers did come up with a cool monster.
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thinbluemime
> I've been watching the DVDs of the first season, and I listened to the
> sound of the monster in the pilot episode again. Like Rose, I'm
> originally from the Bronx, and my initial reaction was that it was the
> sound of a garbage truck. The repeated banging sounds like the metal
> cans being slammed against the truck, then there's the mechanical,
> squealing sound of the lift picking up the load and dumping it,
> followed by what sounds like hydraulic brakes. My next guess would be
> a subway train, but I don't think the banging sound fits. I also
> considered a maintenance elevator, with the manual gate that gets
> pulled across.
>
> Then tonight I rewatched "One of Them," and I realized that the sound
> of the armory door is very much like a portion of the monster sound,
> specifically the squealing and banging shut. You can hear it when Mr.
> Eko is let into the armory to talk to Henry Gale, and later when Locke
> delivers food to Gale.
I am curious about the sounds. It seems the monster crashing sound is
followed by a "recall" siren. Like a steam whistle. Like the old
Flintstones cartoon, when Fred gets off his shift and yells Yabba Dabba
Doo. Any ideas on what this is?
2 other questions, I didn't want to start a new thread for:
1) Did you ever say more about the Monkey wall hanging in Claire's
nursery? I may have missed that.
2) Did you get your computer put together? : )
rob...@bestweb.net
> I've been watching the DVDs of the first season, and I listened to the
> sound of the monster in the pilot episode again. Like Rose, I'm
> originally from the Bronx, and my initial reaction was that it was the
> sound of a garbage truck. The repeated banging sounds like the metal
> cans being slammed against the truck, then there's the mechanical,
> squealing sound of the lift picking up the load and dumping it,
> followed by what sounds like hydraulic brakes. My next guess would be
> a subway train, but I don't think the banging sound fits. I also
> considered a maintenance elevator, with the manual gate that gets
> pulled across.
I too am from, and am living in the Bronx, but I'll make a guess now
that the sound has nothing to do with the Bronx per se. I'm sure that
at the time the pilot episode was made, it was already determined that
Rose would turn out to be a plant, for reasons I stated last year.
Therefore any "clues" she would give would be misleading.
I'm guessing the sound effects are based on those of a MRI machine.
Robert
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tdciago
No, I got totally distracted by something far, FAR better. But here's
the gist of my theory on the monkey.
The following press release was on the Hanso Foundation site:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
THE HANSO LIFE-EXTENSION PROJECT CELEBRATES A MILESTONE
COPENHAGEN, DENMARK, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2005
The Hanso Life-Extension Project celebrated a milestone in the 105th
birthday of experimental subject 626. Experimental subject 626, known
to Hanso Life Extension project researchers as "Joop" is an orangutan
originally harvested by British explorers in the early 1900's.
In a telex issued earlier today from the Hanso Foundation's
experimental station in Zanzibar, Hanso Foundation Chief Communications
Officer Einar Ragnarsson commented that "considering that the average
lifespan of chimps in captivity is 60 years, this milestone is clear
proof that the suite of transgenic technologies that comprise the Hanso
Foundation's Life-Extension Project will someday help human beings
achieve useful lifespans well beyond the current norm."
While the technologies used by The Hanso Foundation to extend the life
of Joop the orangutan remains the closely guarded intellectual property
of the Hanso Foundation, Einarsson went on to comment that "the Hanso
Foundation feels it important to let the world know of its progress in
this vital era of human endeavor - it is the will of our founder and
Chief Executive Officer Alvar Hanso that all concerned citizens of the
world understand the breakthroughs being made by the Foundation.
Joop the orangutan was judged to be in perfect health by Hanso
Foundation veterinarians and spent his birthday playing games as well
as continuing the advanced language and learning program set for him by
Hanso Foundation linguistic researchers.
"Barring an unforeseen incident, we fully expect master Joop to be with
us for many years to come," concluded Einarsson.
--------
Two known references in the press release:
1) Joop was an orangutan character in Jules Verne's "The Mysterious
Island."
2) Experimental subject 626 is a reference to Stitch the alien in "Lilo
and Stitch."
There are several things wrong in the press release. The Chief
Communications Officer is first referred to as Einar Ragnarsson, then
as Einarsson. He mentions the lifespan of chimps even though Joop is
an orangutan. The longest lifespan of an orangutan in captivity was 58
years, by a female, so the *average* lifespan is certainly not 60
years. The Hanso Foundation had been around for 40 years in 2005,
which means that the earliest Joop could have joined their program was
1965, when he was already 65 (7 years older than the record). So that
makes no sense.
The name Joop means "God will multiply" in Hebrew. I believe now that
the term "Master" refers to a Master Mason in Freemasonry.
We know very little about Alvar Hanso. We don't know his birthdate,
and no one seems to have seen him in quite a while. However, he had
supposedly been keeping the world safe by developing sophisticated
weapons.
September 21st is World Peace Day, as designated by the U.N. in 2002.
The date of the press release is also one day before the one-year
anniversary of Flight 815.
When Claire was in the Dharma medical facility, and was loopy on drugs,
she walked into the nursery and pointed at the tree-hugging monkey for
several seconds. In fact, she held her finger right on the wall
hanging. Shortly thereafter, we hear Mr. Friendly referring to a
mysterious "he" who will be angry about Ethan not bringing back a list.
My theory is that Master Joop is a code name for Alvar Hanso, who I
believe to be a very high-ranking (32nd or 33rd degree) Freemason. We
have all heard the public relations spin on Alvar, who seems to have
turned his life around from selling armaments to working for world
peace. Interestingly, the shape of the palm tree that the monkey is
hugging looks rather like the trajectory of an exploding rocket.
(Think how fireworks look.) It also reminded me of "Dr. Strangelove."
:)
Now, the reason that nobody has seen Alvar lately is because he is ...
somewhere else.
> 2) Did you get your computer put together? : )
My husband wants to put it together today (Sunday). So if you don't
hear from *me* for a while, you'll know why. I doubt I'll be seeing
Alvar, though. :)
thinbluemime
Thanks for the reply tdciago. Very insightful research. I am speechless.
All I can think to say is "Oh My God!...." : )
Jack Locke
"tdciago" <tdc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I've been watching the DVDs of the first season, and I listened to the
> sound of the monster in the pilot episode again. Like Rose, I'm
> originally from the Bronx, and my initial reaction was that it was the
> sound of a garbage truck. The repeated banging sounds like the metal
> cans being slammed against the truck, then there's the mechanical,
> squealing sound of the lift picking up the load and dumping it,
> followed by what sounds like hydraulic brakes.
The problem with that is that garbage trucks are hardly unique to the Bronx.
Forty-five other people heard the same sound (the Marshal was unconscious
and Ethan wasn't about to speak up) and yet no one else found the sound
familiar. I'd find it very hard to believe that at least a handful of the
survivors hadn't heard the sound of a garbage truck numerous times in their
lives. Garbage trucks aren't a "background" sound. They're the type of sound
that registers with you because it's an obnoxious sound you don't want to
hear. Even Rose should have been able to place the sound, not just find it
familiar.
I suspect we'll eventually find out that the company that either built or
designed Smokey (or both) has a warehouse or R&D facility in the Bronx. Rose
heard the sounds coming from there but came to just treat them as ambient
noise because she couldn't connect them with anything.
Although it's of course possible that there is some real world Bronx sound
that's at issue. I'd like to think we'll find out this season.
Jack Locke
> that the sound has nothing to do with the Bronx per se. I'm sure that
> at the time the pilot episode was made, it was already determined that
> Rose would turn out to be a plant, for reasons I stated last year.
"Rose is a plant!" Rob said vegetatively.
Melroseman
> Needless to say, guns are ineffective because the
> bullets will just go right thru the smoke and come out the other side.
And this is where the writers missed a good opportunity to use Smokey.
Ana should have been spooked by Smokey and then shot at him, only to
have the bullets hit Shannon. That would have been more readily
believable. But perhaps they don't want to portray Smokey as a death
causing entity. And no, he may not be what killed the pilot.
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Jack Locke
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> Steven L. wrote:
>
>> Needless to say, guns are ineffective because the bullets will just go
>> right thru the smoke and come out the other side.
>
> And this is where the writers missed a good opportunity to use Smokey. Ana
> should have been spooked by Smokey and then shot at him, only to have the
> bullets hit Shannon. That would have been more readily believable. But
> perhaps they don't want to portray Smokey as a death causing entity. And
> no, he may not be what killed the pilot.
Uh, the problem there is that Smokey doesn't just come and go. Shooting
through him and hitting Shannon wouldn't have driven him away. So they still
would have had him to deal with. Absent any dynamite to drive him away like
last time, they would have had to either move up Eko's staredown or
sacrifice another character.
Plus, the Smokey encounter would completely have taken the sails out of
Sayid's rage and Ana-Lucia's guilt. As is, she shot Shannon due to an itchy
trigger finger, fueling both said rage and said guilt.
And if that's not enough, revealing Smokey as part of the episode would have
blown that surprise in the same episode that Shannon was killed. Why throw
away a big plot development like that by forcing it into the same episode
that one of your major characters is getting killed off in? Save it for a
couple episodes (as they did).
The writers didn't "miss a good opportunity to use Smokey." It would have
been a bad idea all the way around to use him in the way you suggest.
rob...@bestweb.net
> "Rose is a plant!" Rob said vegetatively.
Ack! Of course, that must be why they gave her that name. Then once
they had hers, her "husband"'s was gotten from the couple in "Watchmen".